Better effort but same result for Thrashers

I wasn’t able to attend the game against the Calgary Flames Thursday night. There were some pre-planned events that the Divine Mrs. R had asked me to help with and…seeing she is always very understanding with my hockey schedule… when she does ask me to stay back and render assistance, I gladly oblige.

Because of that, I was able to listen a bit to Dan Kamal on my car radio as well as follow some of it on TV with Matt McConnell and Darren Eliot. As I switch from one media outlet to the other throughout the evening, all three were saying much the same thing regarding the Thrashers play…that the effort and work ethic on the ice was far better than what was on display during the 4-1 loss to the Islanders Tuesday.

Freddy Meyer fell to the ice late in the second period of Thursday game against Calgary. He was able to skate off the ice on his own power and is listed with an upper body injury (AP/John Bozeman)

Freddy Meyer fell to the ice late in the second period of Thursday game against Calgary. Team official say he suffered an upper body injury (AP/John Bozeman)

Indeed, they did perform much better than they have of late. They were fighting hard and doing a lot of things right on the ice. But until the NHL starts giving out points in the standing for playing respectably, none of that really matters…does it?

Sure, as Eliot said afterwards, sometimes you have to show yourself you can play well again before the results come. However, the current tailspin the Thrashers are in does not allow much time for that to eventually come around. The points have to start coming with the effort now.

Too many times since New Years, this team has found itself tied or within a goal during the latter stages of the game…only to find themselves on the wrong end of the score after 60 minutes have been played. This was true in the game against Toronto a few weeks back, against Philadelphia and in Dallas just after that and most recently this week against the Islanders when a 1-0 first period lead turned into a 2-1 deficit late in the second.

Those games resulted in 9-3, 5-2, 6-1 and 5-1 losses respectively.

Thursday night, Atlanta held took a 2-1 after Nik Antropov fed a nice pass over Anthony Stewart for his 13th goal of the season. It was a lead they held for all of 55 seconds before Brendan Morrison knocked home a pass from Mark Giordano. But regardless, it was a game they had within their reach going into the third and….and…and…

…sigh…

As has been the case all too many times, confusion in front of the net and the inability to clear the puck lead to what would be the game-losing goal. It came with just under six minutes to play and the Thrashers were unable to recover from it.

About the only thing to get even halfway happy about after this latest disappointment is that Carolina was beaten by Toronto 3-0 while the Flames were winning their first game in Atlanta since they called the city home. What it leaves us with is the Thrashers still up on the Canes by one point in the standings and one huge game in Raleigh on tap for Saturday night.

They’ll need another good effort in Carolina that night. Only this time, the effort better come with points…or this mid-winter tumble will roll them right out of the eighth and final playoff spot.

By: Bill Tiller – AJC.com Thrashers Fan Blog

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Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
12:34 pm

NA you are right about some of those losses even more correct about what would be being said here today should the Thrashers got a few lucky bounces to go their way.

CF some of us just like talking hockey.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:39 pm

Cornbread – there is nothing wrong with D to D passes when the team is making a line change or the gaps are poor coming back on the return to the D-zone, but I still think the D are being too careful because either their confidence is shaken or they don’t have enough confidence in their teammates. Too often we’ll make 2 or 3 D to D reverse passes and then shoot a wild stretch pass up the ice that goes nowhere. I know they are supposed to get it to the C through the middle, but unless the D to D is the proper, quick reaction to heavy pressure, it seems like it gives the other team too much time to set up their F/C and clog up the NZ thus taking away passing options. I would like to see D-men skate the puck more to draw defenders and open up space for the circling forward. Some of it I think just boils down to confidence and that is in short supply right now.

BTW, can you explain how the left-wing lock is supposed to work because obviously this team has never been very good at it and conceptually I’m having a hard time seeing it in my mind’s eye. Thanks!

LAC

February 4th, 2011
12:39 pm

More mindless chatter form the empty brain of this cliff fletcher, Go away “cliff” you offer nothing to the blogexcept… Dumb Mindless Chatter !

Awful game, Bet we finish in bottom 3 of the NHL. A move is all but assured now.

Cliff Fletcher

February 4th, 2011
12:42 pm

Cornbread///

me too but I think some good people on this blog are losing their perspective. The season isn’t over yet, maybe we can swing a deal, get some kids up fron Chicago to get things going. just don’t want everyone looking like Egyptian protesters.

Russian

February 4th, 2011
12:50 pm

Mason ready to play. He is out of IR. Good news. :-)

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:51 pm

CF – easy to get defensive when guys like LAC and Sage are always lobbing malatoff cocktails at the loyal, passionate fans who are expressing their POV on a FAN BLOG. This is where fans come to talk hockey and express their feelings about their team and they get crapped on by trolls who think they are the ones who are supposed to regulate behavior and conduct vis a vis the franchise or the blog.

Jason

February 4th, 2011
12:51 pm

Meanwhile, I think the worst decisions from last night (other than Bogosian still getting on the ice at any point in that game) were the decisions to make “Boom!” by P.O.D. the new goal song for EVERY goal apparently and “Song 2″ has been dropped altogether. But it’s just typical ASG organizational style – compound one bad decision (no more “Zombie Nation”) by making another one.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:51 pm

Russian – now we need Jimmy to get through the next couple of days without a damn headache! Son of a gun we need him back!

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
12:54 pm

All quiet on the trade rumor front today, nothing new to chew on. I am on the fence about trading for Hemsky, good hands but not very big and coming off a recent concussion. Concussions seem to come in pairs; not sure the boys will give Dudley the $$$ to make that deal anyhow. Now Penner, that’s another matter (aside from dollars). Bring in the big guy.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:05 pm

WBF – I’d prefer Penner over Hemsky despite his obvious talent and skill. The concussion issue would scare me away especially in light of the fact that he’s a finesse player who needs mental accuity to be at his optimal level of play. Think we need to go after Samuelsson hard if VAN’s GM is even toying with the idea of off-loading some salary. Bergy and Kulda for MS and their 2nd rd pick, or a 3rd. Then flip our 3rd and a prospect for someone else’s 2nd rounder to fill that hole.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:11 pm

From the Edmonton Sun:

“Terry Jones suggests Dustin Penner would probably bring a healthier return to the Oilers if traded than Ales Hemsky. Both have one year remaining on their respective contracts and if they decide to test next summer’s UFA market Jones believes both should be shopped now as they’re not needed for a playoff push. Jones also noted the danger of shopping them for draft picks and prospects particularly if the return fails to develop as hoped”

Get ‘er done Duds! Bergy & Kulda for Penner & a 3rd!

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
1:14 pm

Smoothie-Penner for sure, especially since the East is more physical in general than the West. You know I like bigger players anyhow. Make the deal.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
1:15 pm

R S I agree about hitting the net. I yelled, “HIT THE **** NET” when Bogo missed that one. But the real problem started well before that when Oduya made an ill advised cross ice pass to Byfuglien. That puck had to go deep. Enstrom would never have made that play. I yelled even louder on that one as it ruined all the momentum they had going and allowed for a Calgary change.

As far as who was on the ice, who are you going to put out there? Oduya just changed and Buff was out there for 2 minutes plus. Antro, Kane, Little, and Ladd all came off with a minute to go after playing for a solid minute. Bergfors was in the doghouse and only saw one shift after giving up the game winner. Cormier, Stewart, Peverly and Modin were out there. I would have liked to have seen Thorburn in place of Cormier but who does that leave to take Modin’s spot? He was the best option of a big body goal scorer and that he gave it up with 6 seconds left hardly mattered at that point.

Maybe a stoppage with 30-45 seconds to go would have been different but again Oduya kind of blew any chance of that when he made the bad pass that was knocked out of the zone. Instead, desperation ensued.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:21 pm

“when Oduya made an ill advised cross ice pass to Byfuglien”

Wasn’t that Buffy trying to feed Kane on a cross-ice feed or was that the ill-fated PP? I may be getting them mixed-up. But yes, point stands, get the damn thing deep and grind it out. I would like to see Stewy storm the cage from the corner when he gets it and then have 2 or 3 more bodies there for a putback. Did Rammer still have his time-out? Then again, you need an actual stoppage of play to use it.

Brendan

February 4th, 2011
1:21 pm

WBF, looks like a deal with Calgary is off the table. As for Hemsky, I think we’d be okay with him. As always, what concerns me is the return. I’m not interested in being fleeced out of coveted draft picks or decent prospects. Penner is overpaid, but in Atlanta, you have to overpay players until the market is a desireable one with committed ownership.

Re: Craig Ramsay … look … I had concerns about how ’soft-spoken’ he was. He’s very calm and relaxed. He likes to use the word “wonderful” with a bit of frequency. Whereas, with John Tortorella, he’s gonna go Alpha Sierra on your a$$. Same with a Keenan type. A Sutter brother would take a player to task, etc. But with that said, Ramsay … I think … is a decent coach. Look what he had to work with?? This team should have come out of the gate in 29th place and stayed there all year. He’s done a better job than anyone else could have. Now, with that said, he’s pushed flush up against the need to get more from his players and/or to devise a new strategy for them, because winning just four out of that last nineteen (4/19) isn’t going to keep the team on pace for a playoff spot. And let’s not forget, the “miracle” win over the Panthers is part of the four wins. I can’t tell you that Ramsay is flawless or blameless in any of this. But to fire him or demote him with a 29th-place payroll while it’s sitting in playoff position seems like a bit of lunacy to me. I hear ya. Four wins in 19 games. We can’t afford to give him a 3-5 game “evaluation” period before making a move. I understand your position, you Ramsay detractors. But what magical Coaching Wizard can be summoned from the Emerald Forest to fix this? I honestly don’t see the Thrashers making a Coaching change this season. What about turning it all over to Torchetti? I don’t know. I guess, if there’s utter collapse, that’s the next logical move. This organization tries to avoid paying two people to do the same job, in terms of a Coach or a General Manager. When Hartley was fired, he had a few years still left on his contract. Truth be told, he was just six games into his “new” contract. The result? Waddell had to assumme coaching duties in 2008, rather than hire a new coach, adding salary to the payroll.

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
1:23 pm

Wish we could have signed Samuelsson when he was available from Detroit.

Brendan

February 4th, 2011
1:24 pm

Attention Sabre fans: This should interest you! http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashers-blog/2011/02/03/late-mistake-proves-costly-for-thrashers/?cp=2#comment-24656

Here’s the link to the story. Larry Quinn, the only man in hockey operations without a functioning brain, will be removed from the Buffalo Sabres upon transition to the new ownership. Gosh, imagine if we could substitute the name Larry Quin for Don Waddell and Buffalo Sabres for Atlanta Thrashers.

Here’s your link: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/story/14640853/sabres-owner-rejected-sale-offer-involving-relocation

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
1:29 pm

Brendan, a friend of mine went to high school with Larry Quinn. Everyone wonders how this idiot ever got as far as he did. He is the dumbest human being in hockey, makes everyone look alot smarter!

Also on relocation of the sabres-I doubt it would really ever happen. Thuis is too good a hockey market to lose an NHL team.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
1:35 pm

I maintain Rammer is a fine coach. He’s being asked to run a team into the playoffs that has no business being there. He is doing the best with what has been given to him. Ya want a return to the Anderson system…no flexibility, and let the team fall out of the hunt by November because he was so rigid? Anyone can give an example of an expensive team failing or a miserly team succeeding, but by and large, you get out what you put in.

The defense passes D to D because the enemy of the forecheck is momentum. It is a players job to use that against his opponent. Let the forechecker take himself out of the play when the player being attacked changes direction or passes it off.

Kipper was off last night. Look at his pad saves…never fully kicked out or butterflied. To me, that says he was tight. And his side to side was off, so he’d undercommit to everything. Because of that Zach sent the shot wide with 30 or so seconds, it was the right play. He’s had a horrible season, but I am not pinning that one on him. The center should have been in tight for a deflection (which are far more successful than 60 foot slappers) and the weak side wing should have been at the half wall for the rebound. The extra skater should have been screening Kipper.

It’s time to pull the trigger and get an infusion in here…but is Duds being told not to? My guess is yes…

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:51 pm

Tough to redirect a puck that is 3 feet wide and high above the waist.

Bogosian would have been better served to flip in a hard wrister towards the far post where there should’ve been someone waiting for the deflection. I’d have to watch it again, but when there’s a mad scramble in front, you’re better off getting it in the pile (see Little’s 3-wood shot against FLA in the come-from-behind win).

R. Stroz

February 4th, 2011
1:52 pm

Cornbread – I would have never said this last year; however, I’d rather have seen Hainsey on the point instead of Bogosian. Hainsey’s shot wouldn’t have the same velocity, but Hainsey understands that the puck HAD to be on net in order to keep the puck from rimming out the other side.

Red Light

February 4th, 2011
1:54 pm

We have a vocabulary word assignment: acuity. Very nice Smoothie.

“Think about this, the Thrashers have 5 players who are in their 30’s – Antropov, Modin, Boulton, Sopel, and Mason. How many of them are impacting the younger players and team production while playing together on the ice?”

A salient point, but all have contributed in some regard this year, particularly Sopel. But, take a look at who the Flames threw out on the ice last night with their under-30 crowd…

Iginla, Morrison, Sarich, Olli Jokinen, Tanguay, Kiprusoff, Staois and Regehr. Only Sarich has won the Cup and for the others the hunger remains.

Listen to what Morrison said last night:
“I think when you are a young player, if you don’t win that particular season, you always figure there is going to be next year. But, as the years go by, you quickly find out how difficult it is to win, and how much you appreciate making the playoffs. At this stage of my career, all I care about is playing in the playoffs. You obviously have to go through the regular season to get there, but at the end of the day to me, everything comes down to playing in the postseason. We’re moving in the right direction.

Winning the Cup is the ultimate goal of every hockey player, to win your last game of the season. I have never been in a position to do that, a lot of guys don’t get a chance, but you always hold out hope that one day you might have a chance.

When you go through a tough time, it shows character of individuals and of a team. Guys in here didn’t deviate from the plan. It was frustrating and we were as embarrassed as anybody going through stretches where we weren’t winning games. I think that tough time has made us appreciate this roll that we are on now a lot more.”

By the way, Morrison has never lost a game as a player in Philips Arena during his career. He’s 8-0 in Atlanta!

In case you forgot, he was released from training camp by the Vancouver Canucks on Oct. 3 and signed with the Flames as a UFA on Oct. 4. The cost? $725,000 for a guy who had 12 goals and 30 assists last year in Washington and has 9 goals and 20 assists so far this season. Modin cost $800k plus $400k in potential bonuses.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
1:56 pm

Smoothie, if the goalie sees you wristing it instead of a slapper from that far out, he’s gonna come out and attack it above the crease and deflect it up into the stands.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
1:58 pm

RL – I always think about Dan Marino when thinking about younger players in any sport. He said something very similar after going to the SB and losing in his sophomore season. He figured he be back many time…and wasn’t.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
2:00 pm

Uh, he had 5 guys in front of him at the top of the crease. Good luck getting to it before it hits someone. In normal circumstances, yes, but and end of game situation is not a normal circumstance. Stroz is right, Hainsey should have been in there.

R/L – thanks, too bad I spelled it wrong!! :cool:

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
2:05 pm

Agree it should have been Hainsey…but trust me on this one. As a goalie of 36 years, you find a way to get around them – just like you figure out a way to SEE around them to make the save.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:05 pm

@Smoothie I coached youngsters for a while and I can explain the left wing lock. It isn’t hard at all to do, just takes some focus by the 2 D and LW. So what happens, or supposed to happen, is that when the puck gets turned over the LW goes back and acts as a 3rd D while the other two O men forecheck really hard. I has worked for a few teams pretty well, but they had LWs that were defensive minded, big and fast. I know that the neutral zone trap is a version of this – which NJ did very will with in the 90’s, Detroit and Dallas and perhaps Philly also used the LW lock. With the rule changes is it less effective . Look at NJ, they still try and play the neutral zone trap and they haven’t adapted to the new rules, which were meant to avoid that type of play, and they are way sucking. It is a speed league now, which I really enjoy – I hated the Devils’ style of play. What Thrashy needs is a lock-down D man. Somebody who can hit and is willing to go down into the boards and grind out their forwards. Also, I don’t see that many games for the thrash, but the ones I have seen the forwards suck at D and NEVER lay down in front of a shot, hence, 29th in the league in SOG (could be wrong on that, too lazy to look it up but I think that is what I saw yesterday and posted about).

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:10 pm

Glovesave, as a goalie, you obviously know the benefit that you get when a forward or D will take away the bottom for you, I don’t see the thrashers going down EVER. I have played both D and O and I went down (obviously didn’t take as hard a shot as they serve up in NHL) and yeah it hurt, but winning matters to me.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:13 pm

Oh, and Smoothie, the whole design is to take away the dump-and-chase by putting more bodies in the corner zones while the C and RW chase the point. Sorry to have left that out.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
2:15 pm

ZAv – thanks buddy! I thought it might be a bit more complex than that but I guess I should know better. Hockey is never THAT complex in its essences when its played properly. Guess Kaner forgot he was supposed to be that guy last nite which almost cost us a goal in the 1st period, as astutely pointed out by Darren Eliot.

glove – I understand what you’re trying to say, but I see good teams do it all the time. Lidstrom is a master of this and teams like DET, VAN, BOS (Chara), consistently use deft wristers with traffic in front. Toby even has scored a couple of times on PP that way. At the very least, Bogey should possess enough mental ACUITY to know that a hard wrister or a short-windup slap pass type of shot would do. Of course, if he was astute enough to see no one was in position and was shooting for top corner…’cha right! I can’t even type that without laughing. All of our blueliners need to work on doing something that doesnt’ require a time-sucking big windup from the point when pressure is on.

Joe McGrath

February 4th, 2011
2:19 pm

To get under the 50 players-under-contract limit, allowing the Chicago trade to go through, Duds dealt Mike Vernace and Brett Sterling and a seventh-round pick to San Jose for future considerations. Johnathan Cheechoo is sitting in Worcester. I don’t know what his story is other than he was traded to Sens in Heatly deal, fell out of grace with Sens, was sent down and then had his contract cut. He tried out in Dallas this year and although he didn’t make the squad, Crawford had good things to say about him. Then SJ signs him and sends him to Worcester. Seems like the dude’s gotten a bad rap. Could Duds pressure SJ to give us his rights and could we sign him on-the-cheap? Could he come back to form under a new system and organization that gave him a second chance? Would it be worth a try? I mean, if he didn’t work out, send him to the WOlves, right? In every interview I see with Stewart he talks about how great it is to play for someone who gave him another chance, another shot. Could Cheechoo be another Stewart?

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
2:24 pm

Smoothie I do not agree that they are passing D to D out of too much caution or lack of confidence. One of the main reasons they go D to D is to break the trap and get it to the weak side of the ice. I agree that it has to be quick and accurate and for the most part it has been. As far as the D skating with it goes, whenever you hear guys yelling “WHEEL!” that is what they want them to do. I really like that the Thrashers do this as good as anybody. All of them can skate with the puck. Even Sopel will turn it up ice.

The Left Wing Lock is basically a type of trap. It is usually a 2-3 or 1-1-3 system starting at the opposing blue line when the other team gains clear possession. It takes a high winger to be in place – usually the third man in so it does not have to be a “left wing”. The third man goes to the weak side of the blue line in a line with the two D-men. The two other forwards try to pressure the puck carrier to skate up or pass it to the strong side. They are basically corralling the opposing team to one side of the ice. When the play does get in the neutral zone the two D-men who are both on the strong side can try and make a play to force a turnover because they have support from the “Left Wing” and hopefully even side pressure from another wing. The Thrashers did this surprisingly well on several occasions last night.

See why the Thrashers like to go D to D and get the puck to the side the winger is on? They are reading the play.

The irony is that a lot of teams will do this against Atlanta because they skate the puck so well out of their zone with speed from all guys including the D. That is why you see the Thrashers gain the red line and dump it in. Pittsburgh does this and so does Philly. When they don’t the play usually stays from the red line back into their end. It’s the same if all 3 forwards are too low; it allows for an easy break-out. When they are doing that they aren’t playing Ramsay’s system.

The Islanders on the other hand played a heavy 2 and 3 man forecheck which is what the Thrashers typically do. When you have teams that can skate, pass, and play their system you open up the neutral zone to them if you don’t break up their break-out. It causes the D to back out and engage the puck carriers late who by then have speed and can skate it in as opposed to dumping it in. This again is one of the reasons the Thrashers shots against are so high. It is fine to heavily check against a team like Tampa because they are big and slow in their end but first you have to get it in deep through their horrid 1-3-1. Against really good skating teams, on the other hand, you can get in big trouble if that third man is not high and supporting the D in the neutral zone.

I have a feeling that one of the reasons they have not been scoring is because they have been focusing on D. That may sound crazy but I don’t think they have been clicking on it yet, especially when they don’t get the puck in deep or when that third man gets too low or a forward does not support a pinching D-man or bother to get back at all. Last night was one of the few times this year that aspect of their game looked good. Start getting the puck back in the neutral zone and you go on the offense more and keep the other team from playing in your end.

Zombie Steve

February 4th, 2011
2:27 pm

Those of you who are walking out on the Thrashers- don’t let the door hit you on the way out. They need real fans backing them up, not SOB’s.

Zombie Steve

February 4th, 2011
2:29 pm

Joe – word around the campfire is that Cheechoo is a head case.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:34 pm

Joe – Cheechoo isn’t a bad idea he played quite well against the Avs for several seasons.

Lol @ Smoothie, I guess you learned your spelling lesson! And I agree with you, hockey isn’t much of a “designed”, if you will, sport. It is mostly about the chemistry of the players. When they click they will shut you down and Thrashy isn’t playing as a team at all.

And as far as the wrister conversation goes, there have been many players who have made amazing careers without using the slapper – Yzerman, Sakic, Forsberg, for example. But the thing is, as you all know, the wrister has less speed (generally) than a slap or snap shot but the release time and increased accuracy is what gets Glovesave (sorry, just witless banter there Glove). The slapper is based on speed and reaction time. This is where putting bodies in front of the keeper comes in, if the goalie can’t see and anticipate the slapper it gets ugly. My favorite move is to break in, fake a slapper, make the goalie go down, and move to the other side – works quite well but I don’t play against NHL caliber goalies :)

Tom

February 4th, 2011
2:38 pm

Imagine if the Thrashers spent their money. The replacements would be 2 Top 6 forwards @ 4 mm each and 1 Top 2 Defenseman at 5 mm. That would get everyone back playing their proper positions.

The Thrasher’s have aways been low on payroll expecting players to play beyond their ability. You can do that in spurts but not consistently. If you question this logic, look at the players that used to be on Kovy’s line. When he went to the Devils this is what he was talking about by a professional organization.

Let’s say the Greek Gods stayed as the 4th line. That would leave us with our 2 picked up forwards and 7 of the remaining teammates. Now Ladd would be a good second line guy without having to be “the scorer”. When Pevs and Bergy started with their brain farts they would sit. Very quickly.

A Stewart would be a 3rd liner with a very specific role instead of everyone expecting him to finish. He is a good energy guy but he is not a top line scorer. Remember Donovan from years ago, same kind of player. Can create but not finish…

A Cormier and Burmistrov can come in and out of a line up while they gain expertise in the NHL game. A Modin is NOT NEEDED… Neither is a Stapleton. If we see them it is for 2 or 3 games a season up from the minors when the injuries get real bad.

And when a downturn happens you can mix players in positions that they can succeed in. Right now we are putting guys in positions they are almost guaranteed to fail.

The Thrasher’s problems are not from management or coaching anymore, they are directly from ownership and their lack of understanding of how the NHL works. When we were winning we were drawing 16,000 people. When we lose, it is 11,000. Win consistently and that goes up to 17,000 and 18,000 as people get excited.

And then you are profitable,

But right now ownership wants us to the be the Kansas City Royals of the NHL.

And that sucks…

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:00 pm

“Because of that Zach sent the shot wide with 30 or so seconds, it was the right play.”

You could not have typed that with a straight face, surely you jest . . . the ONLY play there is to put the puck on net and try to get a rebound as you crash the net especially with the extra man. Boneheaded play from a bonehead . . .the boy just doesn’t have many hockey smarts. You can’t teach stupid.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:06 pm

ZA – everyone you named is a forward. The wrist shot from 60 feet out isn’t going to fool anyone. From the top of the circles in, wristers will always be superior.

That fake isnt going to work at the higher levels as for one, you rarely are going to get that sort of time, and two – you change the angle on your hips and the grip when you have to slap the puck, and three – we butterfly so that we don’t have to over commit and can recover easily should we buy the fake. We look for those kinds of things.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:08 pm

JF – if it is on goal from that angle you don’t move the goalie, he can square up and the deflection will likely him him. You beat an NHLer by getting him to move side to side. If the shot is wide to his right, he will move as such and leave him open to his left as he cannot recover. Again – its using momentum against him.

Rawhide

February 4th, 2011
3:13 pm

C-Viv is reporting that a defenseman from Chicago is being called up. No word on just who thought…hopefully Kulda.

Regarding the Z-Bo shot in the last minute of play….taking the shot was the right thing to do, but you have to get it on net. Even if you take something off of it to ensure you don’t swing wildly. The second I saw the puck go wide right I knew it was destined to loop around and out of the zone.

Add to that the fact that Freddy Modin was the one having to chase it from behind our empty net, and….well…

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:19 pm

glove – you’re talking about a play that occurs in a vacuum. There were many bodies in front (we had at least 3 guys moving towards the net) and the puck needs to find those bodies unless you know you’ve got a guy driving the weak side post. And who’s deflecting a 95 mph slapper that is coming at their head!?

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:20 pm

glovesave, come on, man. Only pay is to put it on net, missing the net is death there, that’s a hockey 101 play (which is why Zack didn’t do it, the boy ain’t bright)

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:21 pm

Glove, I am just saying that there are players that can shoot off either foot and that can be deceptive. I know it doesn’t work as well at higher levels, but I don’t play at those levels so I stick with what works :) . And yes, all of those guys are forwards, but they have all played point at some time and a well placed, quick wrister from the point to the stick side or low on the pads can create rebounds.

I think we can both agree that any shot on goal has potential and there are different ways to achieve potential. You can’t tell me that Sakic’s or Kariya’s wristers would give you some concern. Case in point (and I know this is very rare): Kariya’s goal against Brodeur in the finals right after he got ROLLED by Stevens was a wrister from way out and it burned one of the best keepers in the league.

And hey, it sounds like you have played a lot, and am by no means disrespecting you, I am just curious how high a level you have played at. Don’t take that the wrong way, just curious. Me, I am just a bush league player of 12 years, still have a lot to learn. Gotta admit though that you love it when a player drops and takes the bottom away for you.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:21 pm

but to me, it’s just Zack making another boneheaded play, the real problem is the coach that put him out there in that situation . . .

R. Stroz

February 4th, 2011
3:23 pm

The ASG is in a vacuum, because they suck.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:23 pm

Not really smoothie – sure, of course its easier with a clear line of site…but goalies know the flow of the play and who is where. We also know if we come out to play it and are interfered with, any goal would be waived off even if outside the crease (but not behind the goal line).

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:25 pm

JF – I will definately give you that one. Based on his play this season, he should not have been out there. In fact, I have him down in Chicago logging 25 minutes of ice time per game and trying to get his head straight.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
3:27 pm

R S I don’t have a problem with Hainsey out there. But the thing is that he has not been all year nor has he been on the PP. His role has changed. Bogosian on the other hand has been out there in those situations. The other thing is Bogo is a right handed shot playing on the right side. Granted so was Buff who was out there too but I think all that played into Ramsay’s, or more likely, Torchetti’s mind. If any D man was going to be set-up for the one timer it would be Buff who was on the left.

The Thrashers have 3 right handed D-men which is a rarity. I guess they’re going to use them.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:28 pm

Glove – just a point here, but also very rare, Brett Hull made a career slapping from the circles. Not discounting anything you said as your probabilities are absolutely correct. He was BRUTAL from the circle with slappers, but he is the exception and had tremendous accuracy. And a quick edit, i meant “wouldn’t” in the second paragraph of my last post.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
3:30 pm

I wonder if Bogo has a big heel curve? He pulls a lot of shots.