Better effort but same result for Thrashers

I wasn’t able to attend the game against the Calgary Flames Thursday night. There were some pre-planned events that the Divine Mrs. R had asked me to help with and…seeing she is always very understanding with my hockey schedule… when she does ask me to stay back and render assistance, I gladly oblige.

Because of that, I was able to listen a bit to Dan Kamal on my car radio as well as follow some of it on TV with Matt McConnell and Darren Eliot. As I switch from one media outlet to the other throughout the evening, all three were saying much the same thing regarding the Thrashers play…that the effort and work ethic on the ice was far better than what was on display during the 4-1 loss to the Islanders Tuesday.

Freddy Meyer fell to the ice late in the second period of Thursday game against Calgary. He was able to skate off the ice on his own power and is listed with an upper body injury (AP/John Bozeman)

Freddy Meyer fell to the ice late in the second period of Thursday game against Calgary. Team official say he suffered an upper body injury (AP/John Bozeman)

Indeed, they did perform much better than they have of late. They were fighting hard and doing a lot of things right on the ice. But until the NHL starts giving out points in the standing for playing respectably, none of that really matters…does it?

Sure, as Eliot said afterwards, sometimes you have to show yourself you can play well again before the results come. However, the current tailspin the Thrashers are in does not allow much time for that to eventually come around. The points have to start coming with the effort now.

Too many times since New Years, this team has found itself tied or within a goal during the latter stages of the game…only to find themselves on the wrong end of the score after 60 minutes have been played. This was true in the game against Toronto a few weeks back, against Philadelphia and in Dallas just after that and most recently this week against the Islanders when a 1-0 first period lead turned into a 2-1 deficit late in the second.

Those games resulted in 9-3, 5-2, 6-1 and 5-1 losses respectively.

Thursday night, Atlanta held took a 2-1 after Nik Antropov fed a nice pass over Anthony Stewart for his 13th goal of the season. It was a lead they held for all of 55 seconds before Brendan Morrison knocked home a pass from Mark Giordano. But regardless, it was a game they had within their reach going into the third and….and…and…

…sigh…

As has been the case all too many times, confusion in front of the net and the inability to clear the puck lead to what would be the game-losing goal. It came with just under six minutes to play and the Thrashers were unable to recover from it.

About the only thing to get even halfway happy about after this latest disappointment is that Carolina was beaten by Toronto 3-0 while the Flames were winning their first game in Atlanta since they called the city home. What it leaves us with is the Thrashers still up on the Canes by one point in the standings and one huge game in Raleigh on tap for Saturday night.

They’ll need another good effort in Carolina that night. Only this time, the effort better come with points…or this mid-winter tumble will roll them right out of the eighth and final playoff spot.

By: Bill Tiller – AJC.com Thrashers Fan Blog

198 comments Add your comment

R. Stroz

February 3rd, 2011
11:19 pm

This team has too many ponies, not enough horses, and no honest to goodness thoroughbreds to win consistently.

Wayne stuck in AL

February 3rd, 2011
11:32 pm

As of tonight, I officially wash my hands of this team.

ZAvalanche

February 3rd, 2011
11:42 pm

Oh Wayne, don’t ditch the team and don’t be a band wagoner. That type of response is exactly why people don’t take southern hockey seriously. My other team lost a close one at home, has less points than Thrashy does but I stuck to the TV and scared the crap out of the dog when they scored even when they were down after 90 seconds. Wanna know the difference between a serious hockey market and Atlanta? They hang in there even when the team sucks. And Thrashy isn’t sucking, just struggling. Buck up camper, they will come around.

B. Thenet

February 3rd, 2011
11:54 pm

If they can keep slowly getting better, we might win a game in regulation by March.

If Dudley has not had a Come to Jesus meeting with Ramsay yet, he better put in on his to do list.

Dwayne C

February 4th, 2011
12:06 am

Same result indeed. Lots of one goal losses. Lots of defensive zone lapses. Lots of “well we played hard but just came up short” rhetoric from Thrashers players.

New head coach and new GM…but the same results. Another swoon going on right now…just like in past seasons…and with the same old result of failing to make the playoffs.

The Atlanta Thrashers ain’t gonna make it here in Atlanta.

Brendan

February 4th, 2011
12:16 am

Wayne, the team is STILL in playoff position. It’s a little bit ‘early’ for hand-wringing. If they were 13th or 14th place right now, playing like they have, I could see a writ of “Let’s think about Next Year” being issued, followed by a well thought out firesale of the pending UFA’s.

If the Thrashers are the Thrashers of old, they’ll put a 6-1-3 streak of games together AFTER the time in which such a 6-1-3 record could have positioned themselves into the playoffs. D’oh! “Middle of the pack” is the worst place for a team to finish. You miss the playoffs … ANNND you don’t position yourself to make major offseason improvements via the Draft. But, let’s not think too far ahead.

In the past 19 games, this team is 4-15, straight up. Yikes.

PB

February 4th, 2011
12:44 am

With Carolina having 2 games in hand and a winning percentage that gets them 2 points from those, it is debatable whether we should even consider them in playoff position right now.

Thrashy Thrashy

February 4th, 2011
1:00 am

The idea that a team must be successful to stay in a city is ludicrous. By that logic, the Leafs should have moved years ago.

I’ll never drink the Kool-Aid for any team I cheer for. As Brendan points out, 4-15 is decidedly ungood. The fact that these guys are in playoff position, however tenuous, should hearten them to wake the bleep up and take the bull by the horns. There is an opportunity here. Sure would be nice if Dudley could get a move done soon to let these guys know the front office (well, at least the GM) is trying to help them out.

Barry

February 4th, 2011
1:08 am

This team doesn’t deserve to be in a playoff spot right now. To me this team is really really lost and I’m not sold on Ramsay as the head coach. He’s a good hockey teacher sure but not a head coach. The systems doesn’t seem to be working anymore. I haven’t really seen the team make any adjustments to other teams strategies. They still can’t figure out how to clear the “foxtrot” puck out of their own “foxtrot” zone. They have had what…4 months to get this figured out and they still can’t do it? WTF? This team also has completely forgotten how to play any kind of team defense. They have been blown out big time in several games over the last few weeks. They used to be able to make a come back in the 3rd period when they got behind. Now this team is doing something amazing if they can score more than 1-2 goals in a game! Oh and I don’t know if you guys have looked at the stats but our beloved Thrashers have given up more goals than anyone else in the league…the entire NHL! I’m sorry but this team is just really really lost.

Thrashy Thrashy

February 4th, 2011
1:28 am

They sure as hell look lost. That’s why a deal has to be made. We’ve known a deal or two needed to be made all season. We have prospects to move. Dudley is not stupid enough to do a Coburn-for-Zhitnik trade, so I feel that the man can get value at the deadline. We need more than one player, though. I want veteran options with talent remaining in their bodies to be able to take the spot of guys like Burmistrov right now.

Given the way the forwards are playing, we do not have a single one over the age of 30 who can give this team what it needs: direction and leadership. Ladd and Buff are good players, but at 25, they’re still kids. I’m excited about the youth and talent on the club, but there’s no reason we can’t make a move to improve now. We have some depth of talent in the minors. We have some depth of young talent in the big club. It’s time to show these kids that we mean business by bringing in some guys who have been through the wars and, more importantly, are still able to win them.

Acer

February 4th, 2011
4:37 am

The big unknown in efforts to improve the franchise are the all so popular owners. Will they provide Dudley with the cap space to make moves? For arguments sake, let’s just assume so.

I’d target an overpaid and under performing (not recently though) Alexei Kovalev. Do honestly think that Ottawa wants more than a 3rd rounder for him? Use the Pens trade for Guerin as a blueprint for a Kovalev trade:

“Traded Bill Guerin to Penguins for 2009 conditional fifth round pick (fourth round if Penguins make 2009 playoffs, third round if Penguins advance to second round of 2009 playoffs) (#91-Michael Lee) on 2009-03-04″

You acquire a (recently) solid skilled veteran winger without giving up a 1st round pick, a young player like Bogosian or a prospect.

Larry E

February 4th, 2011
7:44 am

You can talk all you want to about trades, young and old players, but until their is a change in management and Waddell is gone, nothing is going to change. Stop putting a bandade on the problem. Every Thrashers fan should email or call the NHL office and demand that the current owners and management be removed and the league take over. I love hockey and keeping hockey in Atlanta, but this is an embarrassment.

thebighairybeast

February 4th, 2011
7:50 am

I dont blame Ramsay or coaching. I think Ramsay has been the rock through all this. I feel that we need to realize that our roster, top to bottom, is not as talented as we think. Remember our team is run on the cheap and suffers a huge gap in the legal fees to cap money ratio, I sometimes think this latest law suit is just a master plan to get more money for payroll. but I dirgress . . .

Seriously though, this team lacks true first and second line talent. Now Im not saying we dont have talent. Buff, Toby, Ladd, and Pavelec are horses that we need to ride as long as possible. But looking at the rest of the guys and our talent level is servicable but not overwhelming.

Kane and Burmi are young and developing and should be awesome one day. But today they are promising young players who are growing and have their ups and downs. Antropov is an aging verteran who is struggling with health issues. Little has had one true good season and is inconsistant. Bogo is struggling but as defensemen develope slower Im still willing to let him grow. This is his forst year with real coaching. Pevs is all heart but is a 2nd-3rd liner at best. Hainsey is a 4-6 defensemen and is solid but not a game changer. The greek gods are all heart but again are 3-4 line players.

The run in November and December was awesome. But the rest of the league is stepping up its game. The second half of the season is when teams start playing at a higher level. And our true level of overall talent is starting to show.

Iron League 13

February 4th, 2011
7:50 am

Larry, I just don’t see how this is a Waddell problem, sorry. He’s the president and I’m telling you he works for the ASG (CHEAPSKATES). After 11 years of mediocrity who’s he gonna sign in the offseason of any worth? No good free agents want to sign here without serious coin and ccommitment, none. We can’t build off bargain bin free agents and draft picks (it takes too long). Anyways it’s the ASG, period, they control the money not Donny Wad.

Second, guys unless a bonafide miracle happens in the form of a trade, you can kiss the playoffs goodbye. This is gonna be more ugly than pretty. Again, how was this not obvious in the summer when we didn’t make up for lost pieces?

thebighairybeast

February 4th, 2011
7:52 am

Err I havent had my coffee yet, excuse my typos.

TrueBlue

February 4th, 2011
8:04 am

Better effort does not mean maxing out your scoring ability to a whopping 2 goals! This team is struggling in every aspect of the game right now. Passing, scoring, skating with the puck, playing basic D…….Nothing is where it should be. The fact that this teams highest scoring ability in a game in the past few games is 2 is beyond alarming. It is downright pathetic.

jimbo

February 4th, 2011
8:13 am

Better effort, better effort??? Are you kidding me? These are professionals who are paid for results not effort. We were manhandled in the last period AT HOME. GIMME A BREAK, THIS IS A GUTLESS TEAM. THE FAT LADY IS WARMING UP.

Larry E

February 4th, 2011
8:14 am

Iron League: Notice, I said Waddell and Management, which includes current owners. I do agree that the talent level is not here. Yes we have some good young players, Kane, but as any good hockey fan knows, this time of year the level of play steps up and playoff hockey is way above regular season. If we can’t compete now, we don’t have a chance later.

Get The Puck Out

February 4th, 2011
8:26 am

The law of payroll physics apply here. Low payroll-low talent. Cheap owners-Kansas City Royals of the NHL. Until new, caring owners take over this team it doesn’t matter who’s coaching. It’s very discouraging……

Sage of Bluesland

February 4th, 2011
8:41 am

“The law of payroll physics apply here. Low payroll-low talent. Cheap owners-Kansas City Royals of the NHL. Until new, caring owners take over this team it doesn’t matter who’s coaching. It’s very discouraging……”

Amen. It truly is a “numbers” game. Worst ownership in the league. Bad senior management (Waddell). Roster built cheaply. Minor league feeder system a shambles from day-one.

What do you honestly expect???

The coach can only pull so many levers and blow so many whistles–it comes down to reality sometimes…and that reality is you ‘usually’ cannot make silk purses out of sows’ ears. That’s just the way it is. The ‘Miracle’ (1980 U.S. team) stories only happen what, once per generation or so?

So, stop dweaming the impossible dweam–especially in relation to this abomination of a franchise. There ISN’T a “Major League” (baseball movie) story in the making here, folks.

The malaise which permeates this franchise is so thick you can cut it with a knife. It’s everywhere–and anyone who continues to drink the Kool-Aid is either associated with the organization (i.e. Darren Eliot, the king of sell-outs) or is seriously delusional.

I don’t which is more embarrassing: the product and the organization behind it….or those who continue to try to ‘cheer the troops up’….Ugh.

Please stop subsidizing this embarrassing incompetence. This is the ONLY way to get the league office involved. Deny all you want–but several games of 1,000 (opponent-team’s fans) people in the stands WILL have the desired effect…of something…of anything…

The ‘real’ fans of the Atlanta Thrashers deserve better. The only question I have is will they make the necessary short-term sacrifice to ensure their long-term hopes are realized? Will they continue to listen to these false “prophets” who continue to urge patience, hope, spweadsheets, and dweams?

It’s a shame, really.

Russian

February 4th, 2011
8:42 am

I know that it can be CRAZY IDEA by Drunk and Unhappy Russian. :-) I like to move Bogus to Forward position. Just let me tell you why we can do that. First of all I do not like to trade him to old veteran player. He is young. Second, He can skate very well and has a big Body and yes…. he can shoot puck in the net. Chicago did same thing with Buff. It worked to Stanley Cup.
I do not know how Meyer condition now, but I think they are going to call someone from Wolves. I like to practice and play Carolina game with lines:
Ladd-Little-Berg
Kane-Antro-Stuart
Cormie-Pever-Tront
Bogus-Burmi/Stamp-Modin/Bolt

Buff – Sopel
Oduay – someone from Wolves
Hainsi – someone from Wolves

Actually I like to see Welch and Kulda
This is a my plan for Today and Saturday practice. :-)

Beauregard Turner

February 4th, 2011
8:42 am

When are they gonna punch a hole in that thar frozen cement pond and let me go ice fishin in my arena?

Darkhorse

February 4th, 2011
8:54 am

“This team has too many ponies, not enough horses, and no honest to goodness thoroughbreds to win consistently”

R. Stroz-That’s been my main worry all season, at least in regards to the on ice part of this franchise. And I’m glad Kovy is gone. Not the type of thoroughbred we need, but need some we do.

I get the fact we are devoid of enough mature, on ice talent to sustain an entire season, but don’t get why the effort is hardly ever there. We really need an iron fist owner to come in here before it’s too late.

Get The Puck Out

February 4th, 2011
9:08 am

We fans do deserve better. Anybody know how to get in touch with Mark Cuban?

Badger Bob

February 4th, 2011
9:34 am

GS from last night: “when you spend like #29, you shouldn’t really be in the top 16″. Exactly. As frustrated as I am with the recent play, RD and Rammer have produced an “overperforming team” from a payroll perspective. It is ASG that should receive all the wrath.

Food for SOB’s DW hatred: GWG scorer Mikael Backlund was drafted by Calgary using the first round pick we shipped to St Louis for Keith Tkachuk. DW will haunt the Thrashers long after SOB puts him in his grave.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
9:41 am

Good thing they gave Modin and Pevs that chance on the 4th line, worked out nicely, eh? Bogosian out there manning the point with the goalie pulled? Put someone out there that can hit a freakin net!

Was so happy to see them change the system up to get something clicking . . . wait, what?

The best part of the night was fighting through traffic for 2 1/2 hours to try to get to a 7pm start time and finally arrive at the arena with 5 mins left in the 1st.

The decision making in this franchise just boggles the mind.

Spud Webb

February 4th, 2011
9:43 am

Great game, it was ours, the morrison goal was a killer though. We’re right there and I refuse to give up on this team. Management is what it is and has been all year, nothing to do with this streak. It will come back around a few bounces here and there. GREAT interview with Hainsey between the 1st and 2nd periods, blunt and spot on.
I was flipping back and forth, stars vs bruins was a H&LL of a game. Dallas got they h&ll kicked out of them in the 4 fights and fell behind 4 zip in teh first. Then staged a MAJOR comeback to get within 1, with plenty of time left. Then Kari LetimIN gives up yet another softie to take all the air out of the stars. Say what you want about Crawford, but most teams would’ve folded after that start. The stars are good, talented and some serious heart on that team. Great game.

msg

February 4th, 2011
9:51 am

11000 fans? You wish! It looked more like 1100. Can anybody help to sell this team, please ?
Get tem all out of here!! With this ownership this team will never make it!!! Sell, sell, sell!!!!!!!!

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
9:54 am

“GS from last night: “when you spend like #29, you shouldn’t really be in the top 16″. Exactly. As frustrated as I am with the recent play, RD and Rammer have produced an “overperforming team” from a payroll perspective. It is ASG that should receive all the wrath.”

ASG gets their share of the wrath, and we’ll all be after them with the pitchforks when they move the Thrash to Kansas City/Houston/Oklahoma City/Seattle/Quebec City . . . but the Rangers proved for many years that spending money doesn’t = success. And NJ is proving it yet again this year, as the #1 spender, that it doesn’t work. And Nashville proves every year, and again this year sitting at #4 seed out West while being the #25 Cap spender, just barely above our Thrash, that one can be a low payroll team and be successful. Calgary is the #4 spender in the league, is their lineup that much better than ours? you saw the comparision just last night. Toronto is the #5 spender in the league, is their lineup that much better than ours?

Good managing (drafting, signing, developing) and good coaching (systems, in game changes, special teams) always always always wins out over a formula that is predicated on spending money.

Dudley needs time in his job to work the managing part of it and undo the damage Waddell did for so many years. Ramsay got the guys to play better hockey than Anderson did, and has taught them some good things, but I don’t think he’s the guy to lead us to the promised land.

R. Stroz

February 4th, 2011
10:00 am

A few points:

1) With the goalie pulled, Ramsay has Bogosian playing the point, who, again, misses the net resulting in the puck rimming all the way around back into our own end of the ice. But, it gets better. Ramsay has Modin on the ice as well, with the goalie pulled, who gives the puck away behind our own net for the empty netter. So Bogosian misses, Modin gives the puck away, and neither should have been on the ice. BOGOSIAN AND MODIN SUCK. IS RAMSAY BLIND?

2) At one point last night, when our defense had the puck, one of the Calgary players was literally behind the Thrashers net waiting for the bounce pass behind the net off the boards between our defensemen. When your team is that predictable to an opponent you only play once a season, the coach MUST change things up. The coach MUST ADD SOME NEW WRINKLES TO THE SYSTEM.

Fan from Carolina

February 4th, 2011
10:08 am

Spud, I was with you changing channels. 3 fights in the first 4 seconds and seeing Campbell ‘bloodied’ was priceless. The Bruins announcer, Edwards, is such a fan and ‘homer’ which makes it all so entertaining. No, haven’t given up on the Thrashers but you can only take so much ‘puck watching’ before frustration sets in. I was glad to see the NHL Network highlights pick up on that, especially with 5 men down low and no one taking the body. They seem so lost.

Spud Webb

February 4th, 2011
10:27 am

Carolina, Yes, Edwards is a homer for sure. Classic, I HATE to say it, but the more I watch that d&mn boston team, the more i think Redlight might be right with his eastern conference prediction. Ferrance, I had no idea he could drop em like that.

Russian

February 4th, 2011
10:33 am

I am waiting to Call Up from Chicago. Where is a news about it?

alex

February 4th, 2011
10:36 am

i want to drop this from my chest and rest the case for the remainder of the season. at the beginning, as the current roster been construct, almost everybody here mentioned “hey we are cheap going to be difficult to compete. i felt same we are out from playoff and even suggested dud. to begin check in October for lottery draft. actually i been wrong thrashers grossly overachieved and even now in February not out yet. my point is hey asg idiots it’s been simple solution, instead of costly litigation’s with millions spend on lawyers fees, please add approximately 6 mil. to team payroll. so kubina and max going to resign (max got 5 years in khl but wanted 3 in Atlanta). and we don’t need meyers, modin, davies, stampleton – anl material. so get at least this two and you in. but asg and loyal dog DW decided otherwise. better to start another litigation, but you passion thrashers fans can kiss gearon, levenson an waddell rear end. i remember add they ran on 680 am. “thrashers reloaded, recharged and ready for Stanley cup run” my answer to this crap been “thrashers re-cheap-ed, re-lied and ready again for lottery draft”. am i been wrong. i get great respect to ram. and dud. in part because after DW, frasier, anderson anyone going to improve this organization. but dud-ram had to show courage meet face to face with asg weasels and tell them true at the beginning of the season and if they rejected, leave the team like a proud men. i know lot of examples in pro sport, last one in England biggest soccer league in the world, aston villa team manager did this to embarrass owners. and last and i am done with this team in 2010-2011 and not bother any more asg clowns. they not worthy any more my drug prescription for high blood pressure. i am immigrant to this country more than 25 years. remember problem for families because of communist iron curtain. my mother long passed away with tear and heard broken gave me permission to move knowing she never going to see me again. ” i know you and family going to be happy and this is all what i need in this world”. difficult to lose thrashers it’s like lovely child, but if somewhere in Quebec or British Columbia they be OK i am OK. at least DW finally get permanent unemployed.

Badger Bob

February 4th, 2011
10:48 am

JF, no doubt that spending doesn’t assure success. That is a given. But refusing to spend usually guarantees mediocrity, and that’s where we are. Nashville is an amazing story and NOT the norm. Our refusal to spend means failure to retain talent – even if we offer a player the same money as another team, they know we’re not going to stock the rest of the team properly and are more likely to bail.

Spending in Calgary, TO and NY doesn’t equal success because of past or current GMs who are as bad as DW (or in the case of NJ, a GM who has regressed into being as bad as DW). I believe we have a better GM than that, so if he had the $$ he’d do more with it than Sutter, Burke or Sather.

ASG is an entertainment enterprise, period. They care about the Thrashers winning % as much as they care about Fleetwood Mac’s winning %. It’s just a show on the calendar.

Iron League 13

February 4th, 2011
10:56 am

Mr. Larry E., I apologize my lack of reading comprehension this morning, I definitely don’t intend on sounding abbrasive, sorry for seeming that way.

I fully agree with you and I called it a game ago, this current roster won’t make it. In fact I think this current roster is screwed UNLESS they get healthier and acquire several very good players VERY SOON. I’m not suggesting superstars, just very solid guys. Burmi, Stapleton, Cormier, etc. need to be surrounded by signifigantly better players, they just aren’t ready for this load now and that’s been a no brainer for a long time now.

Mooseberg

February 4th, 2011
10:57 am

Since they can’t standup for one another anymore we can officially change the name of the team to the Atlanta Candy@ssess

jimbo

February 4th, 2011
11:01 am

Salaries and payroll don’t produce good honest, hard working effort. Ability, personal pride, competitive nature and leadership do. A number of not so high priced teams have won the Cup over the past 10 years- Canes and Flames as great examples. We have a good bunch of young players who need to be throttled, kicked, threatened, told to mix it up. By whom? Certainly not a low key, appears to be clueless head coach who loves the word “accountability” but doesn’t know how to stimulate it. Very, very frustrating.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
11:11 am

“But refusing to spend usually guarantees mediocrity”

No it doesn’t, just like aiming to spend doesn’t usually guarantee success.

Let’s put it this way, when’s the last time an NHL or NFL club with a bad coach (the two sports that are most reliant upon good coaching, schemes, systems) won a Stanley Cup or Super Bowl? It don’t happen. New England, year after year, gets the job done plugging different players into their system, a system that works. Coaches come and go, players come and go, but Darth Belechik gets it done year after year. Good systems win championships, not money.

If we convince ourselves that we can’t win if we don’t spend to the cap max, then we might as well give up on this team, because despite all the bravado about #8 or whatever TV market/population, this city is in fact a small market for hockey. Unless we get an owner who’s a billionaire and passionate about hockey and is willing to take losses year after year, we’ll never be a high spending team. You have to take a realistic look at it, like Nashville does, and implement a good GM and a good coach that can take a low payroll club team and make it competitive. Dudley seems to have the capability, I don’t see Coach’s system working after other clubs figured out how to counter it.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
11:14 am

I agree JF on the payroll situation. This isn’t baseball. Granted the high dollar white collar teams are consistently in the playoffs but that does not mean low dollar blue collar teams can’t be.

The Thrashers are so low on the payroll right now because they are so young and took advantage of some off season trades and signings. There has not been a single mention of the word “rebuilding” uttered from management this year. But that is exactly what has been going on since the Kovalchuk trade. Still, they are getting a lot out of them for their money.

The young pieces are being put in place nicely. Anyone who thinks Burmistrov, Cormier, Kane, Little, Bergfors, Bogosian, and Pavlec are not going to be major impact players in the NHL, dosen’t know what they are watching. Throw in the 25-26 year olds Stewart, Enstrom, Ladd, and Byfuglien who have yet to hit their peak or high dollar mark and that makes 11 very skilled and very young players that keeps the payroll down.

Does that have trade-offs? Of course it does and we are seeing that now due to their inexperience. All of these guys are at least two to three years off from when they should be at their best. Guys like Kane, Bogosian, and Bumi are at least 5 away. Veteran teams like Calgary can beat them more-so with experience than skill. And that happened last night. You want a high dollar team like Philly and Detroit? Wait for five years and see how much these guys are getting paid.

In the mean time, bring in a few more vets – not necessarily high dollar ones – that can help them along the way. The Thrashers do not lack talent. They lack experience.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
11:16 am

“Ramsay has Bogosian playing the point, who, again, misses the net resulting in the puck rimming all the way around back into our own end of the ice. But, it gets better. Ramsay has Modin on the ice as well”

Yep. I muttered all the way to car last night about what he was thinking about having those two on the ice in crunch time.

“one of the Calgary players was literally behind the Thrashers net waiting for the bounce pass behind the net off the boards between our defensemen. When your team is that predictable to an opponent you only play once a season, the coach MUST change things up”

yep again. I am telling you, it worked for the 20 game stretch not out of luck, not out of sleep opponents, it worked because coach had a system going that was beating the other clubs and we have the players to implement it. What has changed is that the other clubs scouted us (they do that, you know, by having pro scouts here and by getting game tapes and the opposing coaches look at our tendencies and implement schemes to counter us). The change has been that coach’s system has been scouted by other clubs and they have countered it, and he has not changed it up. It’s why our offense is shut down. They know our outlets, they know to deny Buf the puck, and they’re shutting us down. Change it up!

Thrashers

February 4th, 2011
11:28 am

We are still in 8th dammit!!!!

Iron League 13

February 4th, 2011
11:29 am

I’ve got one more thing to say, albeit it’s from the gut sans hypothetical points calculations and such. This team is screwed if they don’t make a BLOCKBUSTER kinda move BEFORE the deadline. I

‘m telling you it’s gotta be amazing, too bad we can’t give anything up really in order to acquire anything, we need to trade away a couple guys like Bogo and Modin, plus picks and pucks at least in order to get one really good vet. What do we give up after that? We sure as Hell need more help than one guy. I say bet the farm (system) it ain’t that great anyway, plus all of our picks so that we’ll be forced not to rely on them next season and for several seasons after that. That would make for an entertaining summer of free agent hunting (FOR ONCE) to follow too.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
11:43 am

“What has changed is that the other clubs scouted us (they do that, you know, by having pro scouts here and by getting game tapes and the opposing coaches look at our tendencies and implement schemes to counter us)”

That’s true to a point, but the players are not running the system consistently. D-men are falling back on conservative D to D passes because they are either tired (Sopel), playing above their capacity (Bogo) or frustrated beyond belief (Hainsey & Buff). Earlier in the year, D-men were racing back — with good forward support mind you — getting to pucks quickly and moving up the ice with it far more often than now. Seems like the gaps are too wide too often and the D-men are looking up and seeing no option but rather 2 opposing team’s forwards bearing down on them. Throw in a reluctance to skate the puck when the middle is open and poor support from the center in some cases, and you get stuck in your zone too often, panicked clearing attempts and too much standing around hoping the puck will bounce to the right spot. Run the system or get on the bench. Ramsay needs to shorten the bench and tell anyone who doesn’t run the system is gonna ride the pine for the period. We’re not talented enough to half-ass our system with 4 lines that are short on experience and talent. Period.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
11:54 am

Think about this, the Thrashers have 5 players who are in their 30’s – Antropov, Modin, Boulton, Sopel, and Mason. How many of them are impacting the younger players and team production while playing together on the ice?

Antropov is the only one who sees significant ice time and that has been hampered half of the season. Sopel’s biggest impact on a player’s on ice development has probably been to 29 year old Hainsey. Mason has undoubtedly helped Pavs but that does not have the same impact on skaters. Modin has helped mentoring as well but in his limited role that has not come in the form of assists to the skilled younger guys. Same with Boulton.

Again, a couple of 28-33 year old veteran forwards that can play two way hockey along with an older shut-down D-man would go a long way and it still would not break the bank.

Noah's Ark

February 4th, 2011
12:00 pm

If we had a bounce go our way last night instead of another goal going in off our own player, we would have won 2 of the last 3 games and everyone would have been celebrating the heart of this team for showing up after a loss against the Islanders. It’s that close in the NHL.

Still, 4-15 straight up in the last 19. Not good.

Saturday night’s game is monstrous. Our next game after that is in Toronto, who must be thinking they still have a shot at the playoffs if they can beat us in regulation. And the Sabres must be foaming at the mouth with 5 games in hand and only 6 points behind us.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
12:15 pm

I agree Smoothie. Last night the system was clicking. And, there were some changes made mostly in the neutral zone and holding the attacking zone which I have seen very little of this year. Hell they were even running a left wing lock last night! When has that ever happened? Most of the time the winger pressures the puck carrier from the side. All of that was a result of not having all three forwards so low that they could not get back and support the D. That has been part of Ramsay’s system all year. Last night they played it and played it well.

The system was not being implemented by the players during the last Tampa and Isles games. One understandably the other unforgivably. Calgary takes away the boards as well as any team to break the cycle or take away the reverse from D-men. Still, the Thrashers did a good job last night in those areas. Little’s goal was produced from it and it was a thing of beauty.

The breakout was good and the cross ice feed was great. What was even better was actually seeing the Thrashers force turnovers in the neutral zone! I’ve been waiting all year for that. You want shots cut down? Play the system!

Cliff Fletcher

February 4th, 2011
12:26 pm

After reading most (not all) of today’s posts, all I can say is that I am glad that I don’t take this as seriously as some of you do. It’s only really worth it if your paycheck is tied to the team wining or losing. Everyone enjoy your weekend.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
12:29 pm

I want to add that I love D to D passes and reverses. It allows the D to establish the look they want and open up the ice. The Thrashers wheel it as well as any D unit in the league. They also make nice up passes when the forwards are there for support. The one area I don’t like in the NHL is the rim unless it is out of desperation or on the PK. I think Ramsay would rather a D-man eat the puck down low than rim it. The opposing D-men and high forwards are too quick in this league to pull it off 5 on 5.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:32 pm

Sorry Cliff for actually wanting to see our young players get a taste of the playoffs! While I should be more cavalier in my approach to this team, it’s not in my DNA to half-ass things, including my support of my favorite team. I’m afraid it’s all or nothing for some of us and hence the reason why there are so many loyal, frequent posters on this blog. Plus, we’re generally pretty bored during the day apparently! ;-)