Coach Ramsay drops F-Bomb on Thrashers

Atlanta Thrashers head coach Craig Ramsay dropped the dreaded F-Bomb on his team after losing in Dallas. It was their fourth straight defeat and eleventh in the last sixteen. In fact since the 5-4 win on Long Island last December 11, the Thrashers have netted but three regulation wins. And in that span of time they have seen a slim lead in the Southeastern Division and second overall in the Eastern Conference evaporate to the point where they are now clinging to the eighth and final playoff spot in the east.

Certainly that would cause the good coach to curse, right?

Well, that or may not be so…but this F-Bomb wasn’t the one you might be thinking of. It’s not the kind that was affiliated with former coach John Anderson’s Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moments, as seen so many times during TV close-ups in the previous two seasons.

No, the F-Bomb Ramsay chose hang on his squad was a word Anderson would also use frequently when discussing Thrashers teams under his direction…“fragile”.

“We are a fragile team at this moment”, he told Chris Vivlamore after Saturday night’s 6-1 defeat to the Stars. “We expected a bit of a roller coaster this year. We’ve grown as a team. I thought the response from the team, for 45 minutes, was excellent. As soon as something went against us, we didn’t have the right response”.

As much as I hate to say it, “fragile” is indeed a very adequate word to use to describe this current crop of Thrashers. They are easily broken when certain things don’t go their way and once in that state, it’s difficult to put them back together.

Anthony Stewart seemingly checks to see if he stepped in something on the ice in dallas. turns out what he was smelling was the most recent stink bomb dropped on the ice by the Thrashers (AP Photo/LM Otero)

Anthony Stewart seemingly checks to see if he stepped in something during the game in Dallas. Turns out what he was smelling was the most recent stink bomb dropped on the ice by the Thrashers (AP Photo/LM Otero)

Take the latest string of losses strung together by this team. The four game losing streak began just over a week ago against the Toronto Maple Leafs. It was a one-goal game more than halfway through the second period, but a string of mishaps and Ben Eager lapse of reason turned it into a 9-3 route.

Last Friday, the Thrashers fought hard against the conference leading Flyers…a scoreless game deep into the second period. They even managed to take a 1-0 lead thanks to captain Andrew Ladd, but they could not handle the success. 36 seconds after Ladd’s goal, a block shot at the blueline turned into a breakaway tying goal…21 ticks of the clock later, Atlanta was down 2-1.

After Philly untied the score once more in the third, they went on to a 5-2 win.

Once again out in Dallas, they found themselves in a one-all game in the latter stages of the second period. They had even recovered well from a Stars power play goal in the first period that was set up by an unfortunate…no, wait…make that, a most egregious…no, actually that should read… a power play goal that was set up by an absolutely bogus goalie interference call.

But much like the games illustrated above, the tight game turned quickly into another lopsided loss.

Just last fall, this same team had a swagger to them that exuded nothing but confidence. Get down by an early goal or two…no problem. Have a bad call or unfortunate play go against them…bah. Brush it off. One just knew they’d come back and make a game of it. But lately, if anything happens that puts them back on their heals even slightly, it seems like they fall apart quicker than a middle school girl if she sees her boyfriend talking to another girl.

But now, the question is…what can be done to turn this thing around soon before the Thrashers find themselves back in their old familiar place in the standings, below the postseason playoff line of eighth place.

I don’t think there is one single elixir that’ll cure what ails this team since there isn’t one single issue that is single-handedly hurting them. But here’s a couple quick thought on what certainly couldn’t hurt the cause.

First of all, the penalty kill play right now is certainly…well…killing us. During the recent four-game skid, they’ve allowed 4 power play goals on 5 opportunities to the Stars, 2 on 4 tries to the Hurricanes and 5 such goals on only 3 man advantage situations to the Leafs.

Getting Jim Slater back into the lineup once his concussion has healed would surely help, but not standing around like statues would go a long way in correcting the problem too.

Secondly, Zach Bogosian should not be playing top-four defensive minutes for quite some time. To put this as politely as I can, the kid simply looks lost out there too often. And if I’m not mistaken, Zach was on the ice for five of the six Dallas goals Saturday night.

Is Bogosian solely to blame here? Nope…of course not. But he’s hurting, not helping this team by having so many minutes logged, especially at even strength. That, plus his play is also bringing down linemate Johnny Oduya, in my most humble of opinion.

For those who are calling for Bogosian to be traded or sent to the AHL Wolves, I can’t say I agree with that position. It’s still way too early to give up on this kid. Besides, he would never clear waivers on the way down anyway.

Now if there is one area in this organization that could deliver a good kick in the pants to get this team back on track, it’s the front office. The trade deadline is still several weeks away, but I say, “Why wait”. I’d love to see Rick Dudley push the buttons on some deals that would bring another top-six forward this way to take the place of Fredrik Modin in the everyday lineup and a gritty, scrappy lower line winger that would take the place of Ben Eager’s spot on the roster.

Yes, Modin has been out due to injury lately, but when he returns, it should be primarily to the press box during games. Spencer Machacek has played OK during his time here in place of Modin, but let’s be honest…he’s not going to be the magic bullet needed for a serious playoff drive.

I’m not too worried with the situation between the pipes. Despite his recent struggles, Pavelec should do just fine getting the bulk of starts down the line. And if Chris Mason’s injury sustained in Dallas does keep him sidelined for any period of time, I’ve no problem at all with Peter Mannino filling that gap.

But in reality, the biggest stride this team can make right now is for everyone on this roster to re-evaluate his own self and what it is he is bringing to the ice each and every game. Coaches can coach, captains can lead…but this slump is team-wide right now. And it’ll take a team-wide effort to pull them out of it.

One thing is for sure, though. Whatever remedies the Thrashers front office and coaching staff may have for what ails this team needs to be administered quickly. Otherwise the F-Bomb may be flying from them and the fans more frequently as we watch the playoffs slide away once again like front wheel drive compact cars on Atlanta roads this past week.

And this time, the F-Bomb i’m referring to is not “fragile”.

102 comments Add your comment

World Be Free

January 16th, 2011
8:20 pm

Two free agent signings that I advocated for that turned out bad-Dan Ellis and Sergei Gonchar. I am glad Duds is not listening to me!

World Be Free

January 16th, 2011
8:33 pm

When a coach refers to his team as fragile, he is indirectly moving the responsibility back to the players to get it going again. Enter the captain, Andrew Ladd-this is the guy that needs to use his Stanley Cup experiences (along with others) to get the team back to playing 60 minutes. This is the same team that surged up the standings early in the season, there have been only minor changes and very injuries to disrupt this lineup. But killing penalities is a major component of being successful in today’s game. So is getting the puck out of your zone in 5-5 situations.

Dudley is no fool-he has been down this road before. I am sure he is trying to make some moves, but he’s also in the same boat as alotta GMs, trying to make a deal and not give up too much. I still say the answer is getting a player with a big contract from a cap-stressed team. The Ottawa Senators would like nothing more than move Kovalev. This “Kovy” doesn’t have much left in his tank, but he also needs a change of team real bad. He has a great shot and is strong on his skates. Ottawa is going nowhere, they need to get younger AND shed salary at the same time.
Their options are limited-this is one of the teams we need to focus on.

Wayne stuck in AL

January 16th, 2011
9:07 pm

I don’t mind Ramsay using the word “fragile” if was an epithet instead of an excuse.

LAC

January 16th, 2011
9:14 pm

bogosian needs to be traded to get either a top forward or a rugged & TOUGH defenseman.

This kid simply is NOT getting it. He is a soft as a creampuff, He will not punish anyone in the corner and will circle the net with the puck carrier and leave the front open so he can enter the slot unopposed. It happens time and time again. Then he will stand there and LOOK for the puck, when he finally see’s it, the RED light is on and he is mainly to blame.

It is a NO brainer, he would NEVER clear waivers, so trading him is THE BEST Choice at this point.
He has shown NO signs of improvement, Zip, None. At this point he should be much better at the
job he does and he would be FIRED in my book. I’m sorry, he needs to GO for something that WILL help the team, He is NOT helping the team… Period !

Good-Bye zach, enjoy playing for someone else !

jimbo

January 16th, 2011
9:16 pm

Wayne: I agree. The role of a coach as a leader is to convey to the troops exactly what he expects in terms of effort and results. Sadly, we are not getting either. The guys look tentative and the results are apparent. Let the boys know that either they hustle and win or some changes are coming. Forget the baloney about “fragile” and lay it out- your professionals, paid for results– the results are not here, either make it happen or lose your elevated status.

Riceowls

January 16th, 2011
9:57 pm

This team can’t stop anybody. Until they do, this is not a playoff team.

Sage of Bluesland

January 16th, 2011
10:33 pm

It’s funny, the “F-word” I’m thinking of is “fantasy”….well, when it comes to those who want to dweam the dweam so badly!

You can feel it, can’t you? Do you feel the growing tension?

It makes me laugh to hear those who are still subsidizing the fraud…

SMB

January 16th, 2011
10:36 pm

Thrashers are my team, but they have made too many key mistakes in personnel changes in the past 2 or 3 years. It might help for a change if Waddell would hire somebody and then back off and let them do the job they get paid for, instead of micro managing it to death. They might be fragile, but I think it’s more like totally inconsistent. They don’t have any consistent leadership – that’s why they aren’t a team.

Gategirl

January 16th, 2011
11:00 pm

I know a lot of you dont agree with this but the Thrashers were missing Eager’s grittiness out there against Dallas

Brendan

January 16th, 2011
11:12 pm

Does anyone have a John Anderson update? He fell completely off my radar. Is he still coaching? I’ll remember him best for his unmistakeable WTF’s that even non-lip readers could easily manage. Ramsay’s in a tough spot. He doesn’t have budget. He may not be getting any more budget. And he’s in the second half of the season, so any prolonged losing streaks are potentially playoff busters. He’s got to make it work with what he’s got. We’ve seen this team play much better. But it’s crunch-time. And this is the time that the better teams separate themselves from the pack.

Good luck, Ramsay. You can do it! But it’s not an admission of failure to go ask the GM for some help. This lawsuit is over. So, the excuses over funding this team should also be over.

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
12:01 am

EDM is a mess. Get Penner’s butt in here ASAP. I don’t care if we have to give up Bogosian and a prospect. I want to win NOW. Another Jan/Feb tank job may do irrevocable harm to the already non-committal fan-base. And don’t give me that Coburn crap cuz we have almost 10 guys on the roster under the age of 26. In 2007, we had hardly any worth a damn. Totally different story. The longer this goes on (the expos-ian of Bogosian) the more worthless he’ll be by the deadline. Not even Cornbread can bring himself to come to the defense of our defense-less. I’m sorry but I have had it with excuses and conservative “wait and see” attitudes. This team is on the precipice of taking a deep plunge and the longer we wait, the tougher it will be to get good value in a trade. 35 games left and that’s not a lot. The margin of error has just about evaporated w/ this last 15 game stretch. Now the boys will have to go 20-14-1 or 18-12-5 or somewhere in between to even qualify for the playoffs. Don’t see this “fragile” team doing it with a banged-up Buff and Antro, no Slater, a stunted Bogosian and without reinforcements thru a trade. Get ‘er done Duds!

Wayne stuck in AL

January 17th, 2011
12:23 am

The Thrashers are who we thought they were…

Tony C

January 17th, 2011
3:04 am

I agree Wayne

Red Light

January 17th, 2011
7:39 am

Still a lot of hockey to be played. 35 games left and 41 points needed to get to 92. Only six teams in the entire league with fewer points than games played at this point in the season. Of all the teams currently ahead of the Thrashers in the standings, realistically only two look incapable of keeping up the pace during the next 35 to 39 games…the NY Rangers and Tampa Bay. All others look like pretty solid teams and should not go into the tank. Behind, Carollna, Toronto and possibly Florida look like they might stick around for awhile. We’ll see.

Never like to say any game is a big game in January, but with Florida, Tampa Bay twice and the Rangers coming up, but lose all four and we’re all going to be asking Sage of Bluesland for a spot on his boat for the ride across the river Styx!

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
8:09 am

Smoothie-I agree with you on your statement that we have to win now. That’s why we have Torch, Ramsay and Dudley here was to turn the franchise in the right direction, no matter how strong the obstacles placed by the organization. Now giving up Bogo, that’s another matter. Tony C/Wayne-can’t say I agree, you don’t play that well for 1/3 of the season to fall so far. Can’t say I am ready to do as you both are, giving up on the season. But there are areas that need improvement now. Every club goes through difficult periods.

Tough to understand a Craig Ramsay team that cannot kill penalties. Rammer was one of the best penalty killer in the 70’s and 1/2 the 80’s. So I am perplexed as to why the kill is not better, other than the problem that has existed all season-getting the puck out of the defensive zone.

ThrashDawg

January 17th, 2011
8:19 am

I think Ramsay kind of hit the nail on the head the other day when he said that because of the great goaltending we won some games we probably should not have. Not a direct quote but something like that. The defense has given up way too many shots on goal and really never has improved but gotten worse. Pavalec is coming back down to earth and we are in trouble until we find the solution to our defense. Maybe Pavalec will find some more pixy dust during the All Star break! I thought we needed to make another trade before the season started and again the winning glossed over it, now we have got to make a trade or forget the playoffs.

Marcus Valdes

January 17th, 2011
8:52 am

Maybe they need a movie day: “Miracle” comes to mind…..

Red Light

January 17th, 2011
8:53 am

Against the Flyers, had it not been for Pavelec the opposition could have easily had 10 goals. I have been keeping track of “soft” goals given up by Pav during the last few weeks, and there haven’t been many. He has been good, maybe not great, but he is clearly not the problem at this point in time. Since Jan. 2, his save percentage has gone down quite a bit (.881), but the Thrashers have only been out of two games during that stretch (Toronto and Dallas) and that’s when most of the damage was inflicted on his stats to no fault of his own.

I think the goals against are mostly a reflection on the poor play of the forwards, who have forgotten their d-zone responsibilities. And, there’s an easy way to shore up the OK unit — don’t take stupid penalties.

Red Light

January 17th, 2011
8:53 am

Should have been PK unit

EA

January 17th, 2011
8:56 am

This team is a new team from years past. While the fans want instant success, it is not going to happen. No excuses, but some of these guys are so young. They still need maturity, direction and work for overall success. I have confidence that Dudley is on the job unlike in years past. Ramsay, as a father of four, has not only the hockey skills, but parent skills that some of these still teen players need. These last few games have been nothing but discouraging, but all is not lost. Time will tell.

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
9:03 am

ThrashD-correct for sure. Pavs stole a few games for us early on. Now we have to tighten up in our end AND stop the easy breakouts ffrom the opposing team’s zone. we are allowing the other team too much room to transition from defense to offense. Only Thorburn is being aggressive enough on the forecheck and pointmen.

Savannah Blueland Fan

January 17th, 2011
9:24 am

(Doing a Danny Thomas spit-take; spewing tequila all over the keyboard)…Oh, FRAGILE! Oh…. No, that won’t make for a very exciting drinking game to replace WTF. How about we all take a shot every time Bogosian gives up the puck.

Hoof Arted

January 17th, 2011
9:36 am

Savannah Bluleand Fan, if we played that drinking game we’d all be smashed by the second commercial break.

Bogosian looks simply awful out there. He needs to sit in the box.

Rawhide

January 17th, 2011
9:46 am

Per C-Viv tweet: “As I suggested yesterday, the #Thrashers have indeed recalled G Peter Mannino from AHL Chicago.”

askip32

January 17th, 2011
9:47 am

Trade Thrash! He never shoots any shirts my way but always finds me when he brings that drum out. He has a criminal record, always pecking people.

Joe Friday

January 17th, 2011
10:05 am

I’m perplexed why Dudley didn’t make a move before last week’s 4 day break. It was clear we needed some d help and some help up front, strange. You can’t trade Bogosian now, he has no value here, no reason for a contender to bring him in. Move him down to third pairing minutes or stick him in the press box for a bit, but don’t trade him, you won’t get value back. D men take forever to develop, much longer than forwards, and Bogosian’s on the wrong side of the learning curve now, coach him up, Coach!

There’s good stretches clubs go on and there’s bad. This has been a bad one, but they’re not out of it. Dudley makes a move and Pavs stays solid, and this club gets headed back up to a 5,6,7 seed for the playoffs.

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
10:11 am

About the only clubs that would be interested in Bogosian are that might be dedicated to long term rebuilding. Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary have old teams that might be willing to offer value for Bogo, as long as we are willing to take alotta salary back in exchange. Phoenix is an outside possbility too. Not sure who we would want (other than Iginla and Penner) from these teams.

Deep down, I think the NHL will soon become like other salary cap leagues where trading transactions are reduced. Most NBA trades these days are made to adjust the future books rather than make the teams better.

On the Bright SIde...

January 17th, 2011
10:19 am

The Thrashers may be fragile at the moment, but at least they aren’t the Falcons.

litz

January 17th, 2011
10:56 am

Joe Friday — We can only hope that the answer is that Dudley IS looking … but he hasn’t yet found a deal that he’s willing to make.

If he’s doing nothing … man, we’re sunk.

A good GM should ALWAYS be working the phones and his personal network, looking for a way to improve the team. His history shows he does this, and can pull a deal that’s worth it … let’s just hope he hasn’t pulled a 180 (or been forced to) …

kj

January 17th, 2011
11:52 am

I live in Dallas and this was my first opportunity to see the Thrashers live in a couple of years – I follow all their games on Center Ice. To see Bogo play in a fog all night just confirms that he needs a press box seat for about 10 games. Oduya can play, he just needs another partner to click with and it’s never going to be Bogosian. The other glaring soft excuse for a determined hockey player was Antropov. I don’t think he EVER won a puck battle along the boards. I don’t think a hip injury infects DESIRE but whatever the problem, he and a few more forwards need to drink whatever Brenden Morrow ingests. I know Ramsay preaches winning puck battles and being aggressive along the boards but outside of Boults, Thor and Ladd, the rest are simply getting out-played.

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
12:27 pm

kj-thanks for your input. The lack of a physical side is what some of us have been preaching for some time now. You just cannot hope to win close games unless you lean on the opposition, especially opposing defenseman-you gotta make them look around, then make them pay for their first pass out of the zone. It’s just like rushing a passer in football, you rush the defenseman and force them into a mistake. This is what I was hoping Eager would bring to the table.

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
12:29 pm

kj – appreciate your comments, good perspective from a Dallas point of view. Dallas plays the way this team needs to commit to playing in order to be effective. Of course, we have a lot of young bodies that probably are not able to handle such a physical game. But when some of your vets like Antro, Pevs, and even Ladd to a certain degree, try to win the majority of battles with their sticks and not necessarily with checks and body leverage, you’re going to lose more than your share as the dog days of the season set in. Not sure who mentioned it — Red Light perhaps — but the support and commitment to the backcheck by the forwards needs to get back to where it was earlier in the season. Even when the team struggled to keep the puck out of their net in October and early Nov, you could see an obvious difference in HOW they were playing and the attention being given to the “little” plays that help win hockey games. Now that other teams have decided that the Thrashers aren’t going to beat them on talent alone, they are countering with a more physical, hard-working game than they may give on an average night (see Toronto debacle). Now it’s up to this team to summon the will from within to elevate their compete level and commitment to paying the price to win these battles along the walls and in the corners. Unfortunately, Rammer seems reluctant to change the line combos (per C-Viv’s morning skate report), but at least he’s finally benching Bogosian in favor of elevating Hainsey and a rested Meyer to 2nd pairing. And it helps that McCabe is out tonite. The boys need to take advantage.

glovesave29

January 17th, 2011
12:34 pm

OBS…what???

The Thrashers ASPIRE to what the Falcons are. Was Saturday night an epic fail?…YES! But the team went 13-3, has a franchise quarterback, all pro’s at several positions, future HOFers – an owner who will accept nothing less than winning it all, and a coaching staff committed to following his lead. Look at championship teams…then go back and see what happened in the season before they won it all. Tales of lost opportunities and playoff failures. Ask Steve Smith and the Oilers about being eliminated from the playoffs to the arch rival Flames on an own goal…the next season they DOMINATED and won the cup.

I know there are those who equate trading ZB with the trade of Coburn. Circumstances are different now. Now we have organizational defensive depth that makes Bogo a bit more expendable that Braydon was. To get a player of value, we are going to have to give up something we don’t wish to part with. There are more buyers than sellers, so we must act accordingly…

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
12:39 pm

What about Jiri Hudler?

Hockey Biltong

January 17th, 2011
12:45 pm

Can’t remember which players said this, but here goes.
A very similar theme echoed by a Pens player and a Flyer. “We have been through 10 losses in a row and we just looked at each other and trusted and relied on each other to persevere. We had been together long enough to see our slump through.”
I think the Pen quote came from the HBO series.. can’t recall the Flyer quote.
The Thrash must do the same. Inward looking, soul searching to gut it out, no matter what the situation is….and Not give up, no matter what.

Larry E

January 17th, 2011
12:45 pm

Too many excuses! Young players or old if you get to this level and are being payed this kind of money, get off your butts and hustle. Hard work and hustle can make up for a lot. Stop making high school mistakes and man up. Dallas man handled the Thrashers like a bunch of minor leaguers. Enough is enough. This is a talented team with veterans that need to step up and kicked some butt.

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
1:03 pm

Right on Biltong!

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
1:04 pm

“I know there are those who equate trading ZB with the trade of Coburn. Circumstances are different now. Now we have organizational defensive depth that makes Bogo a bit more expendable that Braydon was. To get a player of value, we are going to have to give up something we don’t wish to part with. There are more buyers than sellers, so we must act accordingly…”

THANK YOU!!

glovesave — the Coburn trade was such an isolated event that doesn’t parallel the current situation because we have far more depth in the system at D. Not to say that all of our top def prospects will pan out, but what else did we have in the system other than Coburn at the time? Enstrom and Boris. That’s it. And we hit it out of the park with Enstrom. Poor drafting in 2004, 2005 and, other than Bryan Little, in 2006 hurt us more than the Coburn trade. I’d say the Tkachuk trade was more of an overpayment than Coburn, but that’s what happens when you’re desperate at the deadline.

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
1:06 pm

While we need skill, I think I’d pass on Hudler. Isn’t he more of a floater that looks for time and space when other players create room for him? I don’t really recall him being that feisty in the corners, but then again, I may be wrong.

Anyone from DET or with Red Wings sensibilities want to chime in on Hudler??

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
1:18 pm

I would like to hear the Red Wing fans’ perspective on Hudler.

Acer

January 17th, 2011
1:31 pm

“Get Penner’s butt in here ASAP. I don’t care if we have to give up Bogosian and a prospect.”

All of that for an UFA? Somebody must be related to Don Waddell.

EA

January 17th, 2011
1:33 pm

Bogo-healthy scratch tonight. Message sent.

Brendan

January 17th, 2011
1:35 pm

I’m not in favor of a trade of Zach Bogosian at this time. We control his rights until age 26, I believe. Which is six years from now. And unless we think, with all our hearts, that what Zach Bogosian will do between now (age 20) and age 26 will be something close to irrelevant, then we’re suffering from the plague called “instant gratification” in the middle of a bad patch of season. It happens to every NHL city, except Detroit. Kidding. Even Red Wings, on occasion, get frustrated with their team.

That said, if a deal we simply cannot pass up for Bogosian comes along, then … the rule is … you TAKE the deal. Can’t see any kind of deal like that coming along.

I cannot rightly tell you what Waddell and the ownership’s plans are, moving forward. If we must have a $7 million cap hit guy on our payroll, I’d rather it be someone aged 26-29, rather than a 32-year old Iginla, with years and years left on his deal, at a very high cap hit. We saw how a disproportionate payroll worked in Atlanta. It didn’t. No, Atlanta’s best bet is the depth strategy, so long as everyone buys into it and is ready to play every night. We can’t have nights off. And, unfortunately, we do take some nights off. It infuriates Ramsay, like it did Waddell, Anderson, Hartley, and Fraser. I don’t know why players are not ready to play when the puck drops. My only guess is … we have a DECADE LONG tradition of ‘no accountability’ in these parts, where mediocrity is heralded as “good enough.”

I support the notion, like Smoothie says, of “let’s try to win now.” There’s no reason to not be winning now. We just aren’t. Either the effort isn’t there. Or the talent isn’t there. Or the strategy is flawed and needs to be tweaked. But something must change, starting with the Panthers game. Our mettle is being tested. Let’s see if we bounce back, or try to take a cheap shortcut of ‘buyers remorse’ trade, to fix things.

R. Stroz

January 17th, 2011
1:56 pm

Several years ago, when Bogosian was drafted, I pondered something the St. Louis Blues management was saying at their draft table. The statement was something along the lines of “Oh no, they (the Thrashers) didn’t change their minds and decide to pick Pietrangelo.

At that moment, I wondered what they had gleaned from interviewing and scouting Bogosian and Pietrangelo. After watching both play at the NHL level, the answer is easy, IQ.

cpsman_atlanta

January 17th, 2011
2:25 pm

Do not trade Bogo. Less, we forget, some guys with the last name of Cogburn that we traded to the Flyers? Sure, looked OK at the time, but I think Philly got the better end of the deal on that one.

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
2:26 pm

I like Pietrangelo, good player. The Blues were smart enough to keep him in the minors and let him grow before he was rushed to the NHL like Bogo. I have said it before-being rushed to the NHL was not Bogosian’s idea. There’s a reason the good teams let their players grow in the minors instead of jamming them into the lineup, letting them grow on the job.

I don’t view coburn and Bogo in the same light either. I don’t know guys, I think we are split down the middle as to whether we should tarde him or keep him. I do know that the healthy scratch is more to help the kid sit back and watch vs. punish him. Punish him and the kid will regress for sure.

He is 20 years old people-what were you all doing at 20? Playing bad? You bet, but he is a top 5 asset that has NO trade value right now unless he’s going to a rebuilding team.

Cornbread

January 17th, 2011
2:26 pm

The time of the game that the Thrashers play good during the past month has almost been reversed compared to earlier in the season. Earlier it took an event to get them fired up and they responded. Even if they didn’t score or lost, they still had that swagger. Now, they come out playing like world beaters for the first half – there has been a lot of great play in the losses – and they have nothing to show for it. The other team gets a goal, maybe a weak or lucky one, and they get back on their heels. Maybe not the entire game but enough of a deflation to keep them out of it. They feel sorry for themselves. They are “fragile”.

They need to keep playing their game and making things happen. The puck will eventually start to go back in. They are due for a complete game and are very capable. Get the swagger back. I liked the physical response in Dallas even though it did not work out in the end. They respected Philly too much and did not have each others backs at key times of the game. That, I think more than anything will kill a good team, especially one as young as the Thrashers.

Tonight will likely not be as physical as the last four games. It’ll be good for them to come out flying like they have and put up a couple in the first. Then, build on it. Games like that are the only way to get past the “fragile” stage and get the swagger back.

LAC

January 17th, 2011
2:33 pm

Gee… I agree with Smoothie for a change, Penner would be a real PLUS, but we also need a rugged & physical defenseman, who plays Defense First. Two additional scorers would be an upgrade as well.

kj

January 17th, 2011
2:46 pm

detroit will be reluctant to give up on Hudler for a couple of reasons, first injuries have killed them recently with Cleary, Datsyuk, Modano and Holmstrom all on IR. Secondly, this will most likely be Draper’s last year and they probably regret giving up on Kopecky 2 yrs ago and will give Hudler the entire season to get back into form. What I’d like to see – but slim chance of happening, is they’re willing to give up Kindl (very doubtful) or Ericsson when Stuart returns. I think Ericsson’s overrated and would rather have Kindl who is going to be a long term solid D man for years to come but Ericsson would definitely be a top 4 for the Thrash.

Joe Friday

January 17th, 2011
2:48 pm

These are the types of games you need your goalie to step up and steal one for you, help restore the confidence of the team. Good move sitting Bogosian, let him learn from the box, but I’m not sure where our organizational depth at d is. I don’t see it. Sopel is gone after this year, where’s the two guys that would step in and play for them? Kulda and Meyer? Please. We need Bogosian, coach needs to teach him the game, this is where Ramsay can be a difference maker for us.

But then again, someone once rightly said, there’s two things you can’t teach . . .speed and stupid.

R. Stroz

January 17th, 2011
2:56 pm

Joe Bob Friday – Postma is doing extremely well in Chicago.

The “depth” amounts to three d-man in Chicago: Postma, Kulda, and Zubarev.

And then, there’s always Boris.

Rawhide

January 17th, 2011
2:56 pm

EA – You are correct, no Bogo in SoFLA tonight. Per C-Viv tweets: “Looks like Zach Bogosian will be scratched in favor of Freddy Meyer for #Thrashers”…and…”Chris Mason has MCL sprain of right knee’.

Also, looks like Scott Celemmensen will be in goal tonight for the Panthers.

Cornbread

January 17th, 2011
3:02 pm

Trade Bogosian? No way. Every time I watch Coburn I think what could have been for the Thrashers. And I’m a Flyers fan too. Bogosian still has more offensive potential than Coburn and is 5 years younger.

Ramsay tried to simplify his game this year. Concentrate on D first and O second. I believe he is playing better positionally than he did last year. Per Ramsay’s system, he has quit running around and hitting guys just to hit them. To label him as soft is unfair or unaware of his and the team’s play. Bogo led the team last year in hits. He is fourth this year.

Sit Bogosian? I have no problem with that or reducing his time to Hainsey like minutes. Double shift Hainsey with Oduya a couple of times a period. As a D-man, you never want to be on the ice when the other team scores. To do that 5 times in one game is unacceptable. To be fair, I can only fault Bogo for the first tip-in goal that he scored and maybe the last Dallas goal but at that point the whole team was done. The others were not even close to his fault or of his own making.

The time off will help him see the game develop from high, learn something and get some confidence back. The next one that could benefit from this perspective is Burmistrov. First they need to get some healthy bodies back.

goose

January 17th, 2011
3:49 pm

You know I never thought that TSN would be so favorable of us they have us at 10! in there power rankings. That’s ahead of the Caps(14), The Rangers(16) and Lighting(18)

Red Light

January 17th, 2011
4:49 pm

Goose: When did TSN become the gospel according to hockey? To even have power rankings is a slap in the face to anyone who follows the sport on a regular basis and it’s composed by one person, Scott Cullen. This isn’t a 12- or 16-game season, it’s 82 games. He’s got the LA Kings ranked No. 8 and they aren’t even in the top 8 of the Western Conference right now, and the Avs at No. 17 even though they are 3 points ahead of the Kings. Lebrun of ESPN has the Thrashers at No. 18 and the Kings at No. 20. These aren’t scientific, they are one-man’s opinion. They’re no more qualified to rank teams than you or me are!

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
5:03 pm

Looks like Moulson is on the move out of Long Island

Cornbread

January 17th, 2011
5:08 pm

Early good news for the Thrashers, Boston kills Carolina 7-0. I guess that’s it for the Canes. They’re finished after a drubbing like that. Can you feel the tension? They face each other again tomorrow night and then again the following Tuesday. In between the Canes play NYR and PIT. Not an easy weak for them.

Now in addition to a Thrashers win tonight, a Calgary win over the Habs in regulation would be nice. But, I’ll just settle for a convincing Thrasher win in regulation. This is one of those have to win games.

JT

January 17th, 2011
5:31 pm

The stat that sticks out is goals against. Even before this recent run downwards, we were in the bottom 5 in the league. The first areas to place blame is the goaltending and defensive corps. Opie has earned his position, and is not to blame. The D-corps, not great, has done well, considering they are always spending so much time in their own end. The biggest issue, to me, is puck possession. We don’t seem to ever have possession. That lies in the forward position. We have to do better in this area, or the downward spiral will continue.

JT from Columbus

January 17th, 2011
5:45 pm

Hope the team gets on roll starting tonight. We need the points, plus the wife and I are coming up for the Caps game next week.

DWTOO

January 17th, 2011
5:51 pm

Spent the afternoon at the Glads game. 65 minutes of end to end hockey, 85 shots, plus a shootout. Beats doing something constructive. As for Thrasher prospects Forney scored on a wicked wrister, and Paqutte is pretty fast. Carozzi has a lot of work – he made some nice stops, particularly on a breakaway, but, probably let in a couple that should been stopped and was bad in the shootout.

Iron League 13 (razorneck13 no more)

January 17th, 2011
5:55 pm

Bogosian’s still iffy for a trade IMO, he’s not the only problem. We all know he’s young, very young and it’s truly bad habit of the franchise’s to rely on 1st and 2nd round picks out of the draft. This is a major organizational issue that must end as soon as possible. Burmi’s not ready, Cormier’s debateable too, Kaner is the first one in quite a while that has been.

Let’s not forget what Rammer’s is working with in total, it’s amazing what he’s managed to do (See breakouts of Stewie, Thorbs, Boults, Slates) Hopefully ASG let’s Dud’s shore up the major players contracts, spends some dough by the trade deadline on TWO GOOD SOLID FORWARDS and MAKES SOLID FREE AGENT SIGNINGS (not another Modin crapshoot) in the offseason.

Thrashers27

January 17th, 2011
6:00 pm

We need a dominating performance from our boys tonight.

glovesave29

January 17th, 2011
6:04 pm

So what are we to do people? There are many here who are fearful of trade because we’ve been bested in the past. This makes as much sense as people blaming the current roster for losses incurred 5 years ago.

Think Calgary wouldn’t like Marc Savard or Martin St. Louis back – both of which left for little to no return. How about Kiprusoff for a second rounder? Bryzgalov was waived by Anaheim.

I busted the management chops for years for lack of a goalie coach. This year we get one, and look at OP. Perhaps we give Bogo a mentor to see what can be done to get his career back on track. I am fine with either route – give him the tools to succeed, or trade him to fill another need.

Acer

January 17th, 2011
6:14 pm

WBF: Are the Thrashers in the mix for Moulson? IIRC Bergfors is still on the market.

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
6:19 pm

Folks, no doubt that Bogosian still has upside, but it’s becoming increasingly apparent that his ceiling is much lower than we thought. Unless paired with an extremely sound pairing-mate (e.g. Toby Enstrom) or a lockdown stay-at-home man that we don’t really have, his best talents are going to go underutilized. Unless there are plans to move Buff back to the front line (doubtful at best), what is the point of playing Bogosian so much? It’s only hurting his confidence as he is getting exploited playing against some of the league’s best offensive talent.

A youngster like Boychuk improved last year in Boston under Ramsay and Julien, but that’s because he wasn’t asked to play top 4 minutes. Unfortunately, we’ve seen a lot of regression in Zach’s game and I’m losing confidence that he’ll ever attain the level expected of a top 5 pick. Perhaps in another 3 years, but can we really wait that long? If we are going to get a legit top 6 scorer who can be resigned (such as a Moulson who is still a RFA I believe), how do you think we’re going to pull that off? We can’t get top tier talent without giving something up of value.

Of all the young players we have, with whom are you most comfortable giving up in a trade?? Kane? Little? Burmy? Cormier? Perhaps Cormier, but you know Duds ain’t gonna do that unless the deal is unbelievably good. Bergfors? Bogosian? You got to ask yourself at what position do we have the most organizational depth? Forward, goalie or defense? It would appear to be defense, wouldn’t it?

Postma, Kulda, Zubarev, and hopefully Melchiori, Redmond or Chiarot. It doesn’t appear to be at forward as the Wolves are still relying on AHL retreads for the bulk of their scoring (Krog, Haydar, Ross, Stapleton etc). Other than Machacek, Holzapfel (’cha right), Esposito, Aliu and Kozek, who do we have? Klingberg hopefully. If some of your top talent like Antropov and Bergfors are going to struggle or play erratically, how do you expect your young players like Kane, Burmy and Cormier to get better? Playing too many minutes that they can’t handle too soon and too much (hurting their confidence and stunting their growth) like what happens in Long Island, Edmonton and Toronto to some degree. You’ve got to give to get and I’m not sure I’m more comfortable giving up on Bergie or Little before Bogosian. You feel me now?

Restless Native

January 17th, 2011
6:20 pm

What if the Thrashers lose tonight at Florida and then again to Tampa Bay on Thursday? Then, what do we do?

Pack up and move to Florida!

LAC

January 17th, 2011
7:16 pm

Finally, bogosian NOT in the lineup, This will result in better play I believe.

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
7:21 pm

I’d be very surprised if they don’t keep it close tonite at the very least. FLA rarely scores a ton of goals, but I’m hoping the distribution of experience throughout the pairings will help keep the shots down. Keep the SOG under 32 and keep them off the board on the PP, and we’ve got a good shot at getting back in the win column.

World Be Free

January 17th, 2011
8:25 pm

acer-I would still like to see Bergfors make it here. Let’s hope he can get moving tonight.
LAC-maybe a couple of games for Bogo in the cat-bird seat. It has helped players in the past, hopefully Rammer was able to put a positive slant on the move to help Bogosian, not hurt him. I am still against any move to trade Bogo at this point. Smoothie noted how Boychuk came together in Boston under Rammer. His development started in the minors, something we don’t control in Chicago.

Smoothie-won’t trade any of the players you listed, especially Cormier. We are already missing Marty Reasoner on the pentaly kill.

Glovesave-thanks for bring to light other organizations that have made trades they would like to take back. I am sure the Canucks wish they have never traded Cam Neely, the Rangers – Rick Middleton, Tronna – Tuuka Rask and so on. If Dudley sees a deal that will help without hurting his team, he will make it.

Joe Friday

January 17th, 2011
9:43 pm

Boneheaded plays by Oduya cost the first one, can’t make those plays down a man. Then Enstrom breaks our back taking a cheap one.

Machacek and burmistrov are useless. We need slater back and stapelton back up

Tom

January 17th, 2011
9:49 pm

It does seem like we are playing out the string right now. Even when the score was 0-0 there was no sense of urgency tonight.

Something has happened to the team psychologically and it is getting very hard to be enthused about this team right now.

Adam

January 17th, 2011
9:50 pm

I’m really getting tied of watching 2-1/4 periods of good hockey.

You guys get the felling Ramsey is losing the team? Or at least half of it?

Sage of Bluesland

January 17th, 2011
9:52 pm

…and so there it goes, folks….Do you feel it NOW?

This is Florida, too. I’m sure some (you know who you are) “knew it all along”…Uh-huh…

Just an expanded version of Don Waddell behind the bench (the old guy currently behind the bench and the pretend GM, the guy who has the muskrat on his head)…These short-term ‘bounces’ aren’t long-term fixes….

Despite the blather, some of you just cannot see the obvious….It’s really embarrassing, too, to read some of the hopeful dweaming…

Adam

January 17th, 2011
9:57 pm

Wow what a come back!!!

Joe Friday

January 17th, 2011
10:00 pm

Woot, win it for good ol Sage!

Tom

January 17th, 2011
10:11 pm

Was that the spark?

Tom

January 17th, 2011
10:15 pm

Got the 2…

Jason

January 17th, 2011
10:16 pm

Hey Sage: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hoof Arted

January 17th, 2011
10:18 pm

HAHAHAHAHHAAHA!!!!! Look like SOB suffers from premature gloating!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

EA

January 17th, 2011
10:20 pm

Way to go boys! What an exciting finish. Keep it up!

Twisted Wrister

January 17th, 2011
10:25 pm

What a stupid SOB! He should have waited for the fat lady to sing first.

glovesave29

January 17th, 2011
10:27 pm

THAT was big. Time to get the swagger back.

Alan R.

January 17th, 2011
10:33 pm

sage [seyj]
–noun
1. a profoundly wise person; a person famed for wisdom.
2. someone venerated for the possession of wisdom, judgment, and experience.

sage of bluesland [seyj ov bloosland]
-noun
1. a profoundly unwise person; a person famed for an inability to exhibit wisdom
2. someone ridiculed for his self-proclamation of wisdom, judgment, and experience.

Tom

January 17th, 2011
10:37 pm

What really is amazing is that we are only 4 points out of 1st place even though we have played so poorly lately.

This is going to make Thursday nights tilt against the Lightning interesting.

The losing streak to Tampa is the one we need to break…

Flagstaff

January 17th, 2011
10:52 pm

Excellent comeback! So, this leaves just one question… how the Hell did Burmistrov beat Little for 1st Star of the Game?!

Joe Friday

January 17th, 2011
11:02 pm

What, you don’t see the value in Burmistrov’s 0 for 4 on faceoffs and no pts in 11 minutes on the ice?

I think the Florida writer (that’s press row down there) was so disgusted at the loss, he just threw it at the last shooter for us.

I like the comeback, but Machachek-Burmistrov-Cormier are brutal. We need Slater back big time and they need to bring Stapelton back up and Machachek down. Skate Cormier with Antropov and Stapelton and put the Greek Gods back together. Or better yet, make us a trade, Duds

BMF

January 17th, 2011
11:05 pm

Wow, just wow. What a game, total theft of 2 points but damn we needed that in the worst possible way. Hopefully this is just the kind of win that will start a long points streak, continuing thursday against Tampa and NYR. Maybe the SO goal for Burmistrov will inspire some better play out of him. So happy we pulled this game out, the Panthers must be speechless. This makes me happy.

R. Stroz

January 17th, 2011
11:07 pm

Has anyone else noticed that two defensemen lead the Thrashers in scoring? I’d be willing to bet the Thrashers are the only team in the league with two defensemen as the top point scorers for the team.

Joe Bob Friday – I never thought I’d read you looking forward to Slater being back in the lineup.

Hoof Arted

January 17th, 2011
11:15 pm

Poor wittle SOB. He twide and twide to get in his usuwal wrant in before is wittle beddy-bye time. But he should have waited a wittle bit longwer. Oh well, maybe the wittle cweep is sweeping well after counting some sheep. Maybe he’s dweaming of actually getting a rweply frwom Don Waddell after oh so many years now.

baaaahhhhhh….bahhhhhhh…..bahhhhhhhh…

BMF

January 17th, 2011
11:15 pm

agreed Joe, I like Stapleton a lot and think he is of more value up here than down in Chicago, and yes we do miss Slater, that line of Slater-Thorburn-Boulton was the rock of the Thrashers team early in the year and we need to re-establish that quickly, then the rest of the pieces will fall back into place. Not missing Bogosian right now either, and Bergfors is coming around again (not that he really went anywhere) and I think he will be key down the stretch.

I know Sage probably rolls his eyes at posts like mine and I probably drink a little too much of the cool-aid, but if we can rip off a 10-12 game stretch of great hockey with lots of wins and points, we will position ourselves nicely for the playoffs, perhaps even win the SE division, I see no reason to think that that is not possible.

Like Lou Brown said in “Major League”, “you guys won last night, we win one tomorrow, that’s called a winning streak, it’s happened before…”

ZAvalanche

January 17th, 2011
11:18 pm

Nice comeback Thrashy. I am proud. 2 pts is 2 pts and it feels good.

R. Stroztradamus

January 17th, 2011
11:21 pm

The replay is on.

I predict no one will score during the first two periods and the refs will suck the entire game.

Never question a damus.

BMF

January 17th, 2011
11:28 pm

and yeah no kidding, what is it now, 8 straight L’s against Tampa? F that. They are going DOWN on thursday. That streak is ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as our losing streak against Antero Nittymaki (is that still a running streak?, I thought we might have finally beat that guy…)

Hockey Biltong

January 17th, 2011
11:37 pm

I need a defibrilator and a hair club membership…

SOB's Mom

January 17th, 2011
11:49 pm

Why is my little boy up under his bed, in his Little Bo-Peep sheep PJs, curled up sucking his thumb crying, “Why did they have to win? Why did they have to win? Why, why why did they have to win?”

ZAvalanche

January 17th, 2011
11:50 pm

Damn I love this blog!

Tom Lysiak

January 17th, 2011
11:56 pm

Sure wish the SOB would email that “pretend GM” and request an appointment. I’m sure he’d appreciate a face-to-face critique of his hair, rather than hiding behind a keyboard. Maybe they could talk at center ice after the game Thursday. Talk about a sure sellout…

Smoothie

January 17th, 2011
11:57 pm

Alan and Hoof Arted – well played, well played.

SOB – premature jocularity is really unbecoming on someone as “wise” as you. Perhaps you should see a shrink or even one of those doctors for man parts.

Brendan

January 17th, 2011
11:57 pm

Of all the things I know, I know R.Stroztradamus’ 11:21 PM post will be accurate. :)

Rawhide

January 18th, 2011
12:05 am

OK kids, here’s a new blog for you to yammer about tonight’s big win in Florida. or would that better be said as…a Little big win?

Brendan

January 18th, 2011
12:16 am

Folks, that was hardly the “Game of the Year” from your Atlanta Thrashers. But it might just be the “Comeback of the Year.” Or the “Theft of the Year.” I swear, when I look at the Florida Panthers … I see a team that just NEVER seems to catch a break. No matter how bleak or hopeless our T-birds might/may have been, I always point to the Panthers as a team that has it worse. Or is unluckier.

I hope that we can point to this game … as the ‘turning point’ in our season. We desperately needed a break, and we got it. Who said Christmas was over? Tonight, your Atlanta Thrashers gave up 40 shots. Forty. Pavelec was tremendous, for most of the night. I also want to give some credit to Ron Hainsey. I think he had 2-3 exceptional blocks, including two that were “can’t miss” goals for the Panthers. It’s not often that I come here with praise for Hainsey, but I think he deserves some credit for those plays.

These points were huuuge. With Carolina losing, and the Panthers falling farther back behind Atlanta, the Thrashers hold on to that 8th spot. The Thrasherss are really just a few points away from contending for some home ice advantage. That’s how nutty the standings are. And can be. Out West, there’s 2-3 very good teams that are presently OUTSIDE of playoff position. No team, at this point, can go on any prolonged losing streak. In October, yes. In November, yes. But not now, and moving forward. If the Cats had held this lead for the final two minutes or so, Atlanta would be 3-7-2, losing nine of twelve (9/12). Instead, they are 4-6-2, ending the skid. But this cannot be an isolated win in the midst of this continued sub .500 play. From here forward, we must put together a nice point streak.

ThrasherTim

January 18th, 2011
3:32 pm

I know most folks are on to Rawhide’s new blog, but I went back to see who was posting during the game last night and lo and behold, there’s a beauty from SOB…BEFORE the game actually ended. Oops.

Hoof Arted – I was laughing out loud in my cubicle here. Well done.

BMF – Sage doesn’t read any posts so no need to give him/her any credit. He/She just copies and pastes from previous posts and substitues a couple of other words in. There’s no real intelligent thought put into it.