Should Nic Bergfors be checking his head for goat horns?

Last night, Puck Daddy’s Greg Wyshynski posted up his list of “goats” for all 30 teams. These, of course, are the players that most should wear the blame for whatever failures have fallen upon their respective teams. Now, all 30 teams were listed here…even teams like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Detroit and Vancouver…so Wysh feels even teams enjoying highly successful seasons have a goat somewhere on their roster chewing up stats sheets.

Do you see any horns on nic Bergfors? No? I don't either (AP Photo/John Amis)

Do you see any horns on nic Bergfors? No? I don't either (AP Photo/John Amis)

For the Atlanta Thrashers, the “honor” goes to forward Nic Bergfors, the first round pick by the New Jersey Devils in the 2005 draft. The goat horns were strapped on him despite the fact he’s currently on a four-game points streak, is on pace for right at the same points production as last season and is an EVEN player after 34 games. Last year he was a -10.

Here’s what Wyshynski says about Bergfors:

“There are signs of life thanks to a 4-game point streak in 2011, but the last three months of 2010 were the nadir of his young pro career. He scored two goals from Nov. 14 through New Year’s Eve, suffering through the indignity of several healthy scratches in November.”

While I can see where Wysh is coming from, I personally would have a tough time naming Bergfors has the Thrashers’ goat so far this season. Honestly, I would be hard pressed to use the term “goat” for anyone on this team thus far… save maybe two players.

Ben Eager would be someone who might just deserves the goat title before Bergfors does. Like Nic, Eager has also had to deal with “the indignity of several healthy scratches” in the first half of the season. However, the last time we saw him in a Thrashers uniform, he was skating off the ice of Philips Arena after taking a match penalty for sucker-punching Toronto’s Colby Armstrong. The Maple Leafs proceeded to drop four goals on us during the ensuing five-minute power play. In all, they scored five goals on the Thrashers stemming from Eager’s penalties.

Which Thrasher is most deserving of the "goat" label?

  • Nic Bergfors (2%, 5 Votes)
  • Ben Eager (50%, 102 Votes)
  • Chris Mason (28%, 56 Votes)
  • Someone else (11%, 23 Votes)
  • No goats on this Thrashers team (9%, 17 Votes)

Total Voters: 203

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Some would make the point Ben Eager all but single-handedly cost the Thrashers that game. I don’t know if that is entirely true or not…but is there any single game in which it could even logically be argued that Bergfors actions cost the team a game?

I don’t think so.

Ben Eager also has taken far too many penalties this season. He leads the team with 77 PIM though he’s played in but 34 games. Dustin Byfuglien is second in that stat column with 45, but Big Buff has suited up for all 45 games so far.

Another Thrasher that could possible wear the goat label around his neck is Chris Mason. The free agent signing has been quite the disappointment this season, going 7-7-2 with a 3.81 GAA and .891 SV%. Mason is 1-4-1 in his last six starts. Since the 4-2 win in San Jose last October 16, the only time Mason has allowed fewer than 3 goals in a game was during a 3-2 shootout loss to Carolina last month.

Mason did a good job helping to fill the gap between Ondrej Pavelec’s opening night fainting spell and when he could return to the net, but those overall numbers are clearly indicative of his struggles so far during this 2010-11 season.

Maybe Eager and Mason don’t deserve the “goat” label on this Thrashers roster. However, I certainly don’t think Bergfors does either.

150 comments Add your comment

Zoomo

January 13th, 2011
9:26 am

Bergie seems to be coming around. I don’t think he’ll ever be a guy that is tough in the corners, but he could fit here for some time if he does what Ramsay asks as best he can. His wrister is lethal.

I’ll be surprised if Eager plays another game for us. If the clubhouse rumors are true, I’d suspect he’ll be out of here soon, more for that than his play. Dudley wants character guys that can skate. Sounds like Eager fits neither of those traits.

Mike W

January 13th, 2011
9:29 am

Bogosian has the horns IMO. The guy is a joke.

Russian

January 13th, 2011
9:48 am

I hope we will keep Berg for long contract. Yes, he is not a phisical player. He did not go to corner and check, but he has good shot and hands. We have to keep him. He is First line player.

Russian

January 13th, 2011
9:50 am

I just read interesting rumor from 4-th Period.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/chi110112.html

I like to get him. He will expencive, but we can have very solid D-men to go to Play Off.

Matt

January 13th, 2011
10:02 am

My vote is for Mason, as he has clearly not been the answer we thought we were getting for a back up goaltender. He’s not looked sharp at all.

Second place vote goes to Eager just for his mind boggling stupid penalties in the Toronto game. Play tough, but play smart and that appears to be to much for him to comprehend.

Joe Friday

January 13th, 2011
10:09 am

I think the goat is SOB who continues to obstinately denigrate the team, even though a new day has dawned in Blueland.

Do goats go baaaa?

Alan R.

January 13th, 2011
10:13 am

Bergfors doesn’t have the horns. I gave those to Eager. He’s been completely lacking all season long. We play better when he’s not in the lineup.

ZAvalanche

January 13th, 2011
10:15 am

Gotta be Bogo. His +/- is really bad, has only 8 pts and has one of the lowest percentage of goals per shots.

ThrasherTim

January 13th, 2011
10:20 am

I voted for Mason. Solid 1st 10 games or so, but since then, easily has been one of the worst goaltenders in the league. He’s so bad, that we can’t give Pavlec a night off to re-charge his batteries. Here’s hoping he can turn it around in the 2nd half.

Bogo

January 13th, 2011
10:27 am

In a few years, we might look at Bogosian and see similarities with Exelby.

No matter how much we like him, how good he is in the dressing room, and how promising he was 2 years ago, he is average at best right now.

ZAvalanche

January 13th, 2011
10:29 am

Also check the +/- of our forwards. Tells the true story that a lot of our forwards play horrible defense = poor back checking = Ramsey needs to light a fire under their bums.

Thrashers27

January 13th, 2011
10:55 am

Yeah, gotta go with Bogo on that one. I see SJ is shopping “The Gooch”. That might be a good swap. Two struggling players with great potential and may just need a change in scenery. Bogosian for Setoguchi is an interesting prospect to me. Following Russian’s thoughts on Seabrook. We could offer up Eager and a second round pick in exchange.

GaVaHokie

January 13th, 2011
10:57 am

I think Bogosian wears the goat horns… but I think his best days are ahead of him… he’s just not there yet… clearly.

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
11:05 am

Personally, the whole goat concept is a ridiculous notion in hockey, as it is in many sports. There are so many factors that lead to errors in judgment and overall performance. Singling out one guy on the extended 23-man roster in ludicrous, and the only things that should be questioned about any individual player is effort and perhaps accountability.

A wise coach once said, “Don’t confuse activity with effectiveness.” That simply means that while guys might be running around the ice with their hair on fire, looking like they are contributing, that doesn’t mean they are doing much to help their team win.

I’ll let you folks decide about the players who possibly don’t fit the effort, accountability or effectiveness mantra on this team. But, in the past few weeks, it sure as heck hasn’t Bergfors. I think Ramsay’s message has been received but don’t expect him to look like a pinball out on the ice.

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
11:07 am

“We could offer up Eager and a second round pick in exchange.”

Sorry, that won’t even come close to prying Seabrook away from the Hawks.

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
11:08 am

Oh, Trixie, there’s a longer post out there somewhere!

goose

January 13th, 2011
11:15 am

I would love us to get Seabrook but the price would be way to high if he was even available. This guy is like there version of Toby.

Moth Balled Jersey

January 13th, 2011
11:30 am

Spencer Machacek is the gritty young 4th liner they could use. He’s not much for us other than a call up right now. And next year, Klingberg will get a look.

Send them Oduya and Machacek for Seabrook.

Moth Balled Jersey

January 13th, 2011
11:31 am

Garnet Bogosian wears the goat horns.

Tom

January 13th, 2011
11:49 am

Stolen from another post but now one of my favorite lines:

“Theories are like $8.25 beers,” Purdy writes. ”Every hockey arena has them.”

Found originally here – http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2011/01/12/sharks-swimming-against-the-playoff-tide/?utm_source=bleacherreport.com

Tom

January 13th, 2011
11:52 am

Does anyone really think that Chicago or New Jersey will do another deal with us? The whole league knows Dudley got some great talent from both the clubs.
Do you really think Sweet Lou or Baby Bowman want to take the risk of getting fleeced again and have to hear going into the playoffs how the Thrashers improved so much off their backs.
I don’t thinks so either.

BlueSpark

January 13th, 2011
11:54 am

Bogosian. The biggest disappoint so far this year.

Joe McGrath

January 13th, 2011
12:01 pm

It’s Bogo, and he has to go. He’s making $850K this year and that jumps to $3+ million in 2011-12. Is he worth that? I just don’t see it. Package him up with Eager and a draft pick and shop him. I like the Russian rumor about Seabrooke: Seabrooke and Oduya would make a nice pairing. Oh yeah, Mason is #2 goat. Send him to ChiWolves (trust me, he’d clear waivers)and bring up Pete Mannino. Mason needs some time in net and he can get it in AHL, and Mannino has to be hungry, so why not provide him with an opportunity to show what he’s got?

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
12:03 pm

Tom:

GMs have others that they are comfortable dealing with, and I seriously doubt Lou or Bowman feels like they got fleeced. Dudley didn’t exactly point a gun at their heads, they did what they felt like they had to do. In Lou’s case, it was likely an owner mandate, and in Bowman’s case, he simply had to dump a ton of salary and probably got a better offer from Duds than he did from anyone else, and that’s why the deals were done. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the teams engaged in future deals.

injunjoe

January 13th, 2011
12:05 pm

On the surface, I would say Mason. Overall numbers scream! But then again overall numbers dont always give the full explanation. I remember a game in New York early in the season where he got schlacked with, I think, 55 shots. 55! REALLY! Is that the goalies fault or does the blame lie on the (lack of) defensemen around him. We won that game though. The defense has improved since then. Mason, unfortunately, has not. When we lose, we’ve done so as a team. Same with wins too. Is Mason the fault? I dont think so. But you cant deny the disappointment factor either.

Tom

January 13th, 2011
12:12 pm

Good points Red Light. It would be nice if a deal for Seabrooke was done.

Trixie (Rawhide's Secretary)

January 13th, 2011
12:15 pm

Mr. Red Light – Your 11:05 am post has been freed from Blog Purgatory.

Sara

January 13th, 2011
12:22 pm

If there was any further proof after this week’s weather that hell indeed had frozen over, here it is: Joe Friday and I both had the same thought. As soon as I saw the headline, I thought of SOB and lo and behold there was JF’s post. “Do goats go baa?” I’m going to be chuckling all day.

Eager is the goat though I do not object to Bergfors. 4 game point streak notwithstanding, that kid did something (or didn’t as the case may be) to earn himself all those healthy scratches in favor of guys like Modin or Stapleton.

Bogosian is a problem but I’m goating the schedule makers and coaching staff for that one. There hasn’t been nearly as much practice time as this team needed through the first half of the season but a big reason why Anderson got kicked to the curb and Ramsey brought in was the regression of Little and Bogosian. BLits seems to have hit his stride again but Bogo is still struggling and that needs to be addressed specifically by the coaching staff. This kid has the goods because we all saw them clearly the first season – he was much better with his positioning and plays and had a deft scoring touch. Wherever the hell all that went, Rammer and Co. better be finding it and soon.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
12:24 pm

I’m really surprised by the amount of ire being directed at Eager for one incident in which he demonstrated poor discretion and selfishness. But c’mon, the game was over already at 5 to 1. And his dbl minor was BS! Hell, it was not even worthy of one minor! TOR was playing dirty all nite and it seemed to me Eager was the only one willing to do anything besides Boulton. Eager hasn’t been great but he’s still a plus player on the year. He seemed to do a very good job of protecting Burmi earlier and the Eager-Burma-Thorbs line was very good in the first 10-15 games. Since being benched and taken off Burma’s line, Eager hasn’t been near as physical and I wonder if he’s been playing hurt more than we realize. If we can get something in a trade for him fine, but he’s hardly our biggest problem (see Zach, Mason and Antro’s hip).

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
12:32 pm

Muchas gracias, seniorita u seniora?

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
12:42 pm

Salmela just placed on waivers by the Devils, probably trying to take someone’s pulse on a potential deal.

Russian

January 13th, 2011
12:52 pm

No way. We do need Salmanela again. Pass.
I am agree about Eager. He is not super star, but he is very strong 3- or 4-th line forward. I like to keep him. Also lot of rumors about Calgary and Buffalo on 4-th Period.

Russian

January 13th, 2011
12:53 pm

We do NOT need Salmanela again. :-)

GaVaHokie

January 13th, 2011
12:56 pm

I would think Sopel would go in a trade for Seabrook… gotta think he’d jump at the chance to be back with his family.

But… Oduya, Eager, Bergfors is probably what would get the deal done.

GaVaHokie

January 13th, 2011
1:00 pm

Actually… Oduya, Eager, Bergfors doesn’t free up any cash for Chicago.

I’m thinking Sopel, Eager, Bergfors

World Be Free

January 13th, 2011
1:20 pm

Calgary and Buffalo are falling out of the playoff picture, they also have some over the him UFAs on their rosters. We need a finisher on the left wing for the 3rd line. I would focus on Penner, he can finish and he has the size to function in the playoffs. Matt <oulson would cost too much.

No goats on this team yet.

Not Blind

January 13th, 2011
1:22 pm

What ZAvalanche said – look at the plus minus. I have been harping about Perverly all season and his minus 11 speaks volumes.

Truthfully, ain’t none of these forwards going to strike fear in any real Stanley Cup contender. The Thrashers might steal a game or 2 but in a 7 game series there can’t be much doubt on the outcome.

I do have a question. Is Antropov the worst skater on this team???

Dwayne

January 13th, 2011
1:23 pm

salmenilla made me sick.

Cliff Fletcher

January 13th, 2011
1:34 pm

Is SOB a goat or a sheep? some type of farm animal

Hoof Arted

January 13th, 2011
1:36 pm

I would not consider any player on this team a goat. But if pressed to say which one is the closest to that title I’d have to say Eager. And not just for what went down against the Leafs but he’s been in Ramsay’s doghouse for quite a while.

His effort just hasn’t been there too many nights. If they can get as much as a 3rd or 4th rounder for this guy, I say do it.

SCHUBERT

January 13th, 2011
1:37 pm

Bring back Schubert.

Hoof Arted

January 13th, 2011
1:39 pm

Oh and I agree somewhat with those who say Bogosian has been a goat so far, but I’m not quite ready to give up on that kid. Eager is not a face of the future and it is clear by his play he’s not thrilled to be here.

ZAvalanche

January 13th, 2011
2:30 pm

Just an interesting stat here, which Thrashy should smile about. Looking at the +/- for the league, guess who is at, or near, bottom; Kovalchoke. LOL!

ZAvalanche

January 13th, 2011
2:35 pm

Ha! -29. Guess he doesn’t play defense anymore than he did in Atl. Plus – minus is a huge deal and Thrashy has a lot of guys in the double digit minus. Cause for concern = yes.

ThrasherTim

January 13th, 2011
2:35 pm

WBF – Buffalo just went 4-0-1 on their West Coast trip before losing to Philly. They have games in hand on us…so they aren’t out of it just yet. I am sure management is giving them to the All-Star Game break at least to see if they can make up ground on the 8th spot before throwing in the towel.

Calgary has too many teams to jump so agree with you there.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
2:36 pm

The Sopel to CHI idea is an interesting one for obvious reasons. I think he likes playing on this team, but it is no secret that he misses his family dearly and would probably jump at the chance to go back and finish his career as a ‘Hawk.

Does anybody recall what CHI got back in the Reasoner deal that sent him to FLA? I would love to get Marty back to shore up our 3rd line and solidify the PK for once and for all — NO MO’ FREDDY MO!! Perhaps we ship Sopes, Bergie and a prospect (Kulda?) off to CHI for Seabrook and the draft pick they got from FLA for Reasoner. Then we turn around and flip the draft pick back to FLA for Reasy and then ship Eager off to CHI in a separate deal for the 4th liner of their choice (think Bickell or Skille since they won’t be able to afford both of them next year), perhaps even Stallberg since he makes close to a million and likely won’t be back next year as a UFA.

Then finally ship out Bogosian to Calgary for Regehr and Tanguay and here’s your playoff caliber line-up:

Ladd — Little — Antro

Kaner — Pevs — Tanguay (skill guys should be allowed to play off-wing as long as there is a banger like Kane or Ladd on the other side)

Modin\Burma — Reasy — Stewy (let Burma and Modin alternate to keep both fresh, one physically and the other mentally)

Boults — Slates\Corms — Thorbs\Macho

Big Buff & Tobes

Seabrook & Oduya

Regehr & Hainsey

Meyer in pressbox

Pavs & Mason

Tell me that D-corps won’t do some damage in the playoffs. Scoring could still be a bit of a bugaboo, but Tanguay really helps you on the PP and Pevs gets to play 2nd line minutes with Kane for better match-ups. Plus, with Reasey taking more of the load off Pevs, Ladd, Kaner etc on the PK, they’ll be fresher for doing their primary job which is scoring 5 on 5.

See you in the playoffs with this line-up!!

TrueBlue

January 13th, 2011
2:47 pm

Smoothie, Reasoner is one of Floridas top point producers this season…Why would they get rid of him? They are using him in the RIGHT situations this year opposed to just sticking him as a 4th line PK’er….Another mistake by Atlanta.

BlueSpark

January 13th, 2011
2:48 pm

@Smoothie: it’s not just the Toronto game where Eager was bad. He’s had a lot of giveaways that lead directly to goals (and his subsequent benching) and hasn’t brought much positive to the team. Add to that the rumors (printed here or by Vivlamore) that he hasn’t won many friends in the locker room, and I think that’s why so many are down on Eager.

That said, I prefer to Buy Low, Sell High. Eager is not “High” right now. Actually, for his sake, I hope he is. He does have a bunch of days off, after all.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
2:58 pm

BlueSpark – duly noted, but I find it hard to believe that everyone in the room hates Eager when he’s done nothing but stick up for Burmi and his teammates all year. Yeah, he’s no leader, but I think he’s getting a lot of extra flak for the “shredded cheese” incident. But like I said, I’m fine with him leaving.

Trueblue – no doubt we’d have to wait a bit to get Reasoner closer to the deadline assuming they fall further out of contention. Tallon has made it no secret that they are rebuilding and I doubt they’d bring Marty back unless it was a 1-yr deal. They are determined to get younger and it’s hard to say how much he’ll factor into their future plans. Plus, if you can get a draft pick back for him at the deadline as rental, why wouldn’t you?

World Be Free

January 13th, 2011
3:00 pm

Thrasher Tim-Sabres don”t have the offnse to make a move in the standings. Their defense isn’t what is was last year either after letting Lydman and Tallinder walk. Myers eneds Tallinder, they were pefect together. Their roster needs turnover, they have some youngsters AND their new owner is set to take over in the coming weeks. I see their roster in a big turnover at the deadline, Sabres are toast. Trust me, all my Sabres’ fans at home know the season is done.

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
3:10 pm

Smoothie: Reasoner was dealt for journeyman AHL’er Jeff Taffe, who was sent to Rockford. Chicago had to shed his meager salary as well.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
3:10 pm

Looks like the Thrashers are 15 – 14 – 5 when Eager’s in the lineup as opposed to 7 – 2 – 2 when he’s in the pressbox. HIEVAH, he was in the lineup during the entirety of the 6-game win streak and was a +5 during that stretch. Out of 34 games, he’s only had 6 minus games, only three of which were worse than a -1. Talk about your scape goat!! He just shouldn’t be playing against Washington and Pittsburgh on the road, but alas, we have no more road contests against those teams. Well, I reckon he’ll get eaten alive if allowed to play @ Philly, NYR or Boston.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
3:22 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3576

Anyone remember this guy from the December 10th loss to the Avs?? I think we’d be silly to pass on him if he’s available to us on waivers. His speed would be great for our PK and his speed a wonderful complementary piece in Rammer’s hard-charging F/C system. I say why not? Bring ‘im on board and let him loose like Tony Stewart!!

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
3:24 pm

Smoothie: I know you like Peverley, so does he suck just because he has a horrible minus rating? Of course not, and that doesn’t mean Eager is fine and dandy just because he has a plus rating! What else has he done?

ZAvalanche

January 13th, 2011
3:34 pm

@ Smoothie, Tanguay is definitely not worth it. He is a skill player but very weak on the puck in physical situations. Yeah, he has had some good seasons but when it comes to the playoffs the play gets a lot harder and he would be knocked off the puck every time. And really, do we want a team that plays to just get to the playoffs or win some games? Picking up a power forward or a stay-at-home D is a way better way to go.

@RedLight No, Pevs doesn’t suck because of his +/-. Rather, I think he is pretty good, just developing and his rating is largely due to his ice time and special teams time. He does need to work on his defensive zone play though.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
3:38 pm

No, Peverley doesn’t suck, but why don’t you call someone else out for once on this blog? You know my reasoning is sound. He has 6 minus games in 34…how is he THAT much of a liability. Peverley’s made his fair share of gaffes and bad passes. Antro’s been a shell of himself. Burmi’s in love with passing backwards at his own blueline and NZ, Bergy doesn’t skate hard, Thorby’s got hands of stone, Ladd has made plenty of passes he probably regrets, Kaner never passes etc etc. There are plenty of issues with this team and my biggest point is that Eager is far from the biggest “goat” on this team when you break it down. The biggest problem w/r/t Eager has been asking him to play on the 3rd line rather than the 4th. He’s not skilled enough to be a 3rd liner on a consistent basis. And I can give you plenty of reasons why Peverley is a bigger minus than he should be, but I think you know the answer to that.

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
3:41 pm

I call you out, because you enjoy the Limelight! LOL

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
3:57 pm

Ha! Hardly! LOL I’m really just bored most of the time and have lots to “say”, but I understand where you’re coming from. ;-) Just pick on some of the other folks from time to time to keep the cosmic order of the Thrashers universe in balance. :cool”

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
4:06 pm

Ok Smoothie, how about this?

I don’t agree with anything Cornbread posts. :)

Fan from Carolina

January 13th, 2011
4:08 pm

I agree with ZAvalanche and also feel Tanguay is not someone to pick up. He thrived in the West and absolutely stunk with the Lightning last year in the East. I mean he did nothing for the Lightning last year and it wasn’t Tocchet’s fault. He was given top line assignments and did zip. He goes back West and lights it up again for the Flames. Not worth the gamble if his style of play is not conducive to this conference. That may be the case.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
4:22 pm

LOL, there you go big guy! Fair and balanced!

I know Tanguay is a reach, but he hasn’t been terrible defensively and can hold his own at both ends judging by his middling +/- over the last couple of years. Yeah, he’s not scoring at the same clip he used to, but his 10 goals would look pretty good in our lineup along with the rest of our 10 goal guys on pace to score 20. However, there really is no difference b/w Bergy and Tanguay when it comes to style of play. Obviously Bergy has a lot more upside and I’d rather hold onto him, but if I can get a D-man the caliber of Seabrook, sianorah Nicklas!

ZAvalanche

January 13th, 2011
4:30 pm

LOL @ Smoothie! I agree on Eager, he just woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day. I really don’t there is actually a lot of calling out to do with the thrash. They had the busiest first half of the season of any team in the league and it showed – they have been beat tired lately. I, like most of the posters here, have seen a lot of hockey over the years and I think this team has promise – serious promise. In fact more promise than they had when they rode The Moose to the playoffs. Get a serious D-man or power forward – Tanguay is neither of those (BTW, thanks for agreeing Fan from Carolina). If you spend it, they will come. Send some of the really young guys who aren’t getting much time to the minors to help develop them and make some trades to get some top line talent.

Though I despise the Red Wings, they have a formula for building an awesome team year after year, follow that formula.

Red Light

January 13th, 2011
4:47 pm

Well, since you brought it up ZAvalanche, the Wings succeed despite having little success in drafting players lately!!!

Beginning with the 2006 draft (I know it’s a bit early to determine how they will do with the last 3-4 classes but…), the Wings have had only two draftees to play for them, Jan Mursak and Tomas Tatar, for a total of 13 games so far.

From 1998 to 2005 however, they drafted Datsyuk, Jiri Fischer, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Kopecky, Ericsson, Meech, Filpulla, Fleischmann, Hudler, Quincey, Howard, Franzen, Kindl and Helm.

Cornbread

January 13th, 2011
5:15 pm

Red Light I guess that includes not agreeing with me the times I’ve commented positively on your own blog posts.

DaveR

January 13th, 2011
5:37 pm

Wyshyski’s “Goats” article is so off-base. He gave the NY Devils’ goat-horns to Brodeur, who is having a bad year in the waning part of a glorious career — But he passed up the biggest Goat of the Entire NHL this season — and perhaps of all time: Ilya Kovalchuk.

And his choice of Bergfors as Atlanta’s “goat” is also galling. The main thing that has suppressed bergy’s stats this season has been the coach’s refusal to put him in the lineup, and his failure to give good ice time to the kid when he is in the lineup. Whenever he has been given a decent chance to perform, Bergfors has been a steady and skilled point-producer.

AtlFlamesFan

January 13th, 2011
5:45 pm

Young Bogey has made some bad plays, but not to the level of criticism that he receives here. I see Sopel, Buff, et al make defensive blunders, but they do not seem to light up the board like Bogey’s. Unwarrented, IMHO.
Mason. His 2-year $1.85M/year for 2 years obviously has not worked out. Meanwhile, we cut the Moose loose, who is collecting $1.5M from NJ.

Cornbread

January 13th, 2011
5:47 pm

I’m not surprised to see so many calling out Bogosian as the team’s goat. But, I think he is the team’s biggest scapegoat of the season. He’s playing better this year all while playing big minutes and any little mistake – or even none at all – are magnified and heavily criticised

My biggest disappointment for the year, as I’ve said before, has been Eager. I really expected a little better effort and improved numbers from a Stanley Cup Champion in his new and bigger role on the Thrashers. I thought 10+ goals and 10+ assists were very doable playing third line like minutes on an offensive oriented team. Not so much now. Eric Boulton is a better hockey player.

A close runner-up is indeed Bergfors. He has had drama issues all year. He’s too soft, doesn’t shoot enough, check enough, or get to the dirty part of the slot enough. He has appeared at many times to be uncoachable. But, I must say that he is once again starting to show some positive signs of change, unlike Eager. Let’s hope he doesn’t again slip back into his old disappearing soft Swede version.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
6:27 pm

Its not so much that Bogosian is thje biggest goat, but rather his lack of overall progress in reading the game and being able to rely on instincts when playing the position. As we’re seeing now, Zach really benefitted from playing with Enstrom his first year after getting some close mentoring from Mathieu Schneider. But I recall Schneidy taking way too many calculated risks before Zach broke his leg thus leaving him out to dry too often considering his lack of inexperience. He looked great in the 2nd half because a) he was fresh and b) Toby let him do his thing without having to worry about the consequences as Toby is so smart and savvy he was often there to cover, much like he does for Buff who has had some real brainfart moments. Anyway, Zach struggled last year as most sophomore D-men do and it didn’t help that he was asked to play with so many different defensive partners. This year he plays with a cat who is a skilled, finesse d-man who is better with the puck on his stick. But Johnny O is prolly the quietest of our 7 d-men and I wonder if the two of them just haven’t found the same chemistry of a Buff/Toby pairing or Sopes/Hainsey who see and play the game the same way. Hainsey is a cocky son of a gun and prolly was ill-suited for the coddling type of mentorship that a young d-man requires. Zach has a lot of skill offensively and is very good moving up the ice with the puck on his stick. But his anticipation of the developing play is obviously lacking and as Rammer said in C-Viv’s blog, he’s guilty of thinking too much on the ice. He can improve and evolve into a solid d-man but the 2nd pairing is the weakest link and needs to be addressed thru trade or call-up.

razorneck13

January 13th, 2011
6:30 pm

Lazy armchair reclined analysis and punditry should be left to the people who don’t get paid for knowledgeable opinions, so I hope this guy isn’t making his living off crap like this. I wonder how many other players he unjustly slated in the press with this cutsie goat horns schtick. My guess is more than just Bergfors.

I make no secret that I’m fond of Bergfors, I think the kid’s got Moxie…he’s an asset, period. How many times has he kept us in games this year? He’s got one game winner and probably several equalizers thus far, not bad. Hell, he’s been scratched (mind-numbingly) for about 10 games and skates under 15 minutes a game. I don’t blame the kid for the organization’s shake up this year, but I’m sure it has a lot to do with the fact he’s not on pace to hit about 30 goals.

Seriously, plenty other guys to pick on. Wyshnyski’s opinion was not known by me prior to this and I don’t plan on changing that after this either.

A27

January 13th, 2011
6:55 pm

Once a guy is a bad dude in the lockeroom…(Ben Eager) he is the Goat and has to go. Sorry Smoothie dont mean to sound like a jerk.

Rawhide

January 13th, 2011
7:06 pm

DaveR – I totally agree with you regarding Kovalchuk being the Devils’ “goat”. Marty the Magnificent is not their problem up there. Maybe kovy isn’t 100% their problem, but his numbers vs. what they went through to re-sign him make him the better candidate to wear the goat horns, IMHO.

rob

January 13th, 2011
7:12 pm

You could put Bergfors up as the goat for the fact that his seeming unwillingness to play Ransey’s game led to his benching, and his continuing lack of willingness continued it. The fact that he has come around, seems to have a good jump to his game, and has been in the corners and skating back recently all point to a desire to play hockey and be taught. The lack of this early may have led to us having to rely on guys not as skilled (Stapleton, Modin, Eager, Stewart) but who wanted to play the game Ramsey wants, to the detriment of the team because of his lack of desire to play a TEAM concept. It seems all of this is water under the bridge, but at the same time, I can’t help but think what it would have been if he had put the effort in earlier. On another note I want him in the next shootout, that shot has to be money! I like the way things look, I would like them better with more Machecek(?) and other Wolves getting time….Eager may have given them that chance but I want someone other than Stapleton to get that chance…we need size. Kind of like the idea of giving Mason a breather to clear his mind down there and refocus, I like his attitude and think he kickstarted this season for us and don’t want to give up on him. I think he brings just as much to the table as Moose did.

razorneck13

January 13th, 2011
7:39 pm

Not trying to get into it with anyone, but I notice that there’s usually talk of Bergie not fitting into Rammer’s system when we’re talking all things Bergie. I get the rationale, but does anyone really believe that Burmi (45 games played) fits in more than Bergie (34 games played)? Apples and oranges, yeah, different positions and such, I know. Anywho… Can anybody justify that kind of obvious favoritism (past?) based purely off of their actions on the ice?

Before anybody else says it, yes Burmi is feistier. Agreed, but he’s also a RAGDOLL, so…(shrugs)

Runner

January 13th, 2011
7:49 pm

What is all of this about Eager not making friends in the locker room? It seems wrong to judge him on that point based on what someone told someone. I realize that an inside source gave the information but it just seems like that’s been over exaggerated. Most of the time fall-outs in business come down to “I just don’t like that guy”, and I think that’s what’s going on here with Eager and Ramsey.

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
7:59 pm

No offense taken A27! I don’t know why y’all think I care that much about Eager. He isn’t a vital cog. He may have cost us a couple of games, but look back to the games he’s committed costly turnoversn they were usually games in which we also gave up 4, 5 and 6 goals. Usually that sort of losing effort is a total team effort. So if you’re gonna name a goat, then you have to call out a player who plays a lot more minutes as well as a much more vital role. Like it or not, Bergy will always be intrinsically linked to Kovy as his “replacement”. Perhaps that went to his head but it looks like he’s finally got his head screwed on straight. But if you’re gonna name a goat, or most disappointing player, I think it’s a cop-out to name a guy like Eager who was / is a 4th liner that might give you 10 goals in a season if things go well. He was a throw-in in the Dusty Buff deal so he shouldn’t even be in this conversation even if he should be traded. Getting rid of Eager isn’t gonna fix our biggest problems. But we can benefit from a solidified top 4 defense, better back-up goaltending and more timely scoring / consistent effort from the likes of Antropov, Bergfors and even Peverley, who plays hard but doesn’t always produce the desired results. Hell, Andre Ladd has been miserable for the last couple of weeks and has been more of a goat than Eager!

rob

January 13th, 2011
8:02 pm

Seeing the length Burmi went to to get to where the team wanted him, I would see him continue it this off season too and getting only better. I also think that Bergfors has seen the light too. He has played much better after getting another shot, and seems happy again. Of course that is all just conjecture, which is all most of us have on here. Speaking of conjecture, can we conjecture Modin, Stapleton, and Eager away and keep Machecek(sp)

Smoothie

January 13th, 2011
8:24 pm

rob – AMEN! Dispense with the nonsense and just keep Spence! :-)

Runner

January 13th, 2011
8:34 pm

Trade, trade, trade…I hate to give up the kind of guys who give their all in the moment and it seems like those are always the ones people want to trade – they may be tough to deal with but they bring an X factor unlike a Mike Richards or other captains I won’t mention (cough) who are technically “great” but leave me uninspired.

Eager would be happy to be traded back to Chicago where his girlfriend is, but I wish he could turn things around here. I believe it’s not so much his locker room issues but his personal life shenanigans that Ramsey dislikes.
I’m feeling like he’s been singled out because he’s an easy target. Like the ugly girl who can’t find a date for the prom. Let’s get more creative shall we? Apparently the Thrashers staff can do no wrong…

Curly

January 13th, 2011
8:49 pm

The top three “Goats” for the first half of the 2010-2011 season:
1) Nick Antropov – coming nowhere close to his season last year. Almost an anti-thesis to last year’s performance (hip surgery or not).
2) Zack Bogosian – Appears to be slipping significantly in his development. Stands around a lot in the defensive zone and looks lost.
3) Ben Eager – for the reasons mentioned by others. Appears to be undisciplined in a Ramsey disciplined system.

Curly

January 13th, 2011
8:59 pm

A trade in the works? How about Bogosian, Eager and Bergfors to the Blackhawks for Seabrook and Bolland?

I wouldn’t mind a deal involving Dustin Penner though.

glovesave29

January 13th, 2011
9:22 pm

Bogo catches grief here because he is betraying his talents. Sure, everyone on the team is human and makes mistakes, but if you make the error while working your tail off, that player tends to get a pass from the fans. When your errors are mental, and due to a lack of competitive fire – you deserve the abuse you get. Bogo needs to stop being Mike Vick (all talent, no drive) and become Matt Ryan (work, study, work, study…).

How can you give any negatives against Antro? Hip surgery is MAJOR. It affects everything you do. I give the guy total props for showing up and giving it the effort he does.

Tony C

January 13th, 2011
11:07 pm

This team is built as a team concept, so it follows that everybody’s the goat, everybody’s the hero

Hockey Biltong

January 14th, 2011
1:35 am

Thank God for Friday……

ZAvalanche

January 14th, 2011
1:58 am

I love Biltong – a very tasty treat.

ZAvalanche

January 14th, 2011
1:59 am

And I mean the jerkey-like cured product.

World Be Free

January 14th, 2011
6:08 am

Bergie needs a chance, which is not what he’s recvd so far this season with the Thrashers. How could this guy give Brodeur the horns in NJ and avoid Kovy? Koval-joke should have recvd the horns for the entire league.

Alan R.

January 14th, 2011
7:25 am

The main thing that has suppressed bergy’s stats this season has been the coach’s refusal to put him in the lineup

If you can’t understand why he was held out of the lineup, then your criticisms are moot.

Bergfors wasn’t playing the system. He wasn’t being anywhere close to physical. Stapleton is more physical than Bergfors, even now, but at least now Bergie will go in for a hit every so often. He did not do this at the beginning of the season. He did not play the system. He was merely going through the motions, and hoping no one would notice.

It seems apparent that a lot of people didn’t notice, fans included. However, I know a few fans here did notice, and as evidenced, so did the coaching staff.

Yes, I know people love Bergfors. He’s a great player. He just needs to not slack off. He needs to be more physical. He needs to continue playing the system. Yeah, some people will say “you never hold out a player like Bergfors because of what he can do on the ice.” Me? I disagree. Even your best players need to be sent a message, if they’re not performing up to par. I know many won’t agree, but it is what it is.

World Be Free

January 14th, 2011
8:35 am

Alan r-Bergie is who he is, no different than before he came here. If we knew that and that was not good enough, then why trade for him? None of his game is a mystery to anyone.

TrueBlue

January 14th, 2011
8:39 am

Thank God some of you people aren’t the GM…most of these trade proposals are ridiculous.

jimbo

January 14th, 2011
9:08 am

Bergfors seems to have responded well after spending time in the press box. Eager comes back and continues his “bone head” plays. While it’s nice to have some muscle around, he doesn’t seem to add anything offensively and uses his muscle at the wrong time. For the Bogosian Bashers, he’s a young kid who hasn’t experienced enough to instinctively do the right thing. He’s got good skills and will get there. Sounds like Ramsey is trying to do it right with him by pusing the “relax and let your instincts take over” theme. He got thrown into NHL action early and it is taking some time to adapt. Tougher on D-Men than forwards because more of their lapses lead to goals. He’ll be a real good one over time.

Red Light

January 14th, 2011
9:20 am

I was only kidding Cornbread. I do enjoy reading what you post because from reading your posts, I know that you know hockey. Sorry if my cynicism wasn’t evident.

Zoomo

January 14th, 2011
9:34 am

Let’s hope the Flyers are gassed after that wild game last night.

Spud Webb

January 14th, 2011
9:35 am

I’ve figured out who a giant asset would be for the thrashers, face off champion Paul Guasted. Dude wins face off after face off, I know that when we’re in the playoffs and up 3-2, goalies pulled, face off in our zone with say 20 seconds left….THAT GUY will win the draw for us!
I was watching him last night….stud face off guy. Lets get him, RL, he is a bit slow footed, see cormier, but he’s tough and has some skills, cheap and 2 more years (i believe) on his contract.

Red Light

January 14th, 2011
9:45 am

Runner: Maybe this will inspire you about Mike Richards?

He’s one of two guys in the entire league, who have blocked 60+ shots in a season, had more than 100+ hits, had 25+ goals and 25+ assists and a plus rating during any one season since 2005-06. He is on pace to do it again this season, along with Ryan Kesler of the Canucks. Mike Fisher of Ottawa is the only other player in the league to do it (last year).

Richards’ numbers during the season in which he accomplished the feat (2008-09) were 147 hits, 90 blocked shots, 30 goals, 50 assists and +22 rating. He contributes in all aspects of the game, which is most captain-like in my view.

Alan R.

January 14th, 2011
9:49 am

WBF – We got him because despite his flaws, he can help us. He just needed a bit of direction. As Jimbo stated, Bergfors has responded well after spending time in the press box.

All Bergfors needs is a bit of direction, and shown the way we want him to play in our system.

Red Light

January 14th, 2011
9:52 am

The numbers above are related to forwards and don’t include defensemen. Sorry for omitting that.

Spud: Gaustad is a character too, and is one of the guys who keeps the Sabres dressing room loose (and it’s very dry). He hits, is good in the faceoff circle but not sure he is a huge upgrade over Slater except for size. Slater’s faceoff numbers are actually on par or better than Gaustad’s.

Get The Puck Out

January 14th, 2011
9:52 am

Everyone just be careful if going to the game tonight. Unless you are wearing steel cleats or ice skates the ice is SUPER slick. I live about one hour north of Atlanta and i still have 5 inches of snow and ice on my driveway!! Don’t want any Thrash fans watching from a hospital bed!! GO THRASHERS!!

TrueBlue

January 14th, 2011
9:54 am

I think the goat of the season should be all the “fans” that don’t even know how to spell the coaches name right….It is RamsAy…with an “a”. It is really not that hard of a concept. If you can’t spell it right, just say “coach” or “rammer” or “the guy behind the bench”.

Alan R.

January 14th, 2011
10:01 am

GTPO – You mean you haven’t shoveled it? :P

World Be Free

January 14th, 2011
10:20 am

Spud-Sabres cant afford to give up a centerman since they are short up the middle, es[ecially since Connolly probably won’t be back next season. I agree-he could help us alot!

Tom

January 14th, 2011
10:34 am

The standings are interesting in the Southeast. It is going to be a dogfight the rest of the way.

Tampa 44 played and 57 pts
Washington 44 played and 55 pts
Atlanta 45 played and 51 pts
Carolina 43 played and 48 pts
Florida 42 played and 42 pts.

There is not one team in the division that will be throwing in the towel in the next couple of weeks. A hot streak by Florida like we had and they are right in the conversation. Washington has been streaky, Tampa is not secure in the goaltending, Atlanta is young and learning, and Carolina is playing solid hockey.

In fact Florida has more wins than 5 other teams and if they win their next 3 games will have more wins than the Thrashers at the 45 game mark.

We needed this break, but now it is time to come out and play some strong team hockey. The big difference I saw from the winning streak and the past 10 games is the back check. When we were winning, every play at every stage of the ice was contested. The last 10 games, understanding the tired legs, this was not happening and the 3rd man in the zone for the other team was typically uncontested.

Lets hope the boys have their legs back, their injuries have healed, and we get back on the horse with a winning streak of our own. If we do, don’t count the Thrashers out for the Southeast division title.

Joe Friday

January 14th, 2011
10:34 am

“Do goats go baa?” Sara, upon further review, I hear that goats go “nay”. So, yes, Sage is a goat. It’s all he can say: nay. He’s like the little dude on Gulliver’s Travels, what was his name? The one that’s always going “it’ll never work, we’re all gonna die”.

I concur with Red Light on a couple things. I don’t like calling a goat out, these guys all are trying their best and are mainly a solid room of guys. Bergie does seem to coming around in the system, and we need his touch. I hope he sticks in the lineup now and continues to “get it”.

I also agree with Red Light on cornbread (he was just kidding cornbread). I often think cornbread is channeling my thoughts when I read his/her (I think he?) comments.

I looked at the standings today after our week off. Not bad where we wound up after the other clubs caught up on the games in hand. Blue Skirts have been hot but will cool off some. Solidly in 8th with only Carolina with a chance to catch us with the games in hand and only by 1 and within sniffing distance of climbing back up to 5,6,7 spots with a little hot streak, not bad at all. Get Kane healthy, Pavs stays hot, and we’re going to have some fun this spring (spring will come eventually, looking forward to the warmth to return starting today. Unleash the Fury tonight, folks! Friday night tilt against Philthy should be a good one.

Red Light

January 14th, 2011
10:46 am

Yes. Joe Friday and I agree on something!

As you may know, the Thrashers didn’t have much luck against the Flyers until last season when they went 4-0 and outscored the Bullies 13-6. Prior to the 2009-10 campaign, Atlanta was just 4-26-6 all-time and just 4-13-4 at home against Philly. Philly is 5-2-2 this season playing the 2nd game of a back-to-back and 2-0-1 coming off a loss in those situations.

Atlanta enters with four days of rest. The Thrashers record during the past five seasons with three or more day’s rest between games is 15-12-2.

Rawhide

January 14th, 2011
10:54 am

GTPO – I echo your thoughts about fans being very, very careful driving down to Philips tonight. There are still some icy spots on roads and we all want Thrashers fans to stay safe.

As far as snow still on the driveway…mine was cleared Tuesday by 2 very able teenage sons. God, I love that!

It’s reason number 76-B why having teenage boys is just GREAT!!! :lol:

injunjoe

January 14th, 2011
11:10 am

Yeah Bill, but did they let the cat in last night?

Tony C

January 14th, 2011
11:43 am

Yeah. Thank goodness Nittymaaki(spl?) is in SJ-That Phlyers lineup is crazy deep and scary good all the way through it. Big test tonight.

Smoothie

January 14th, 2011
11:55 am

Some interesting stats put together by Jon Jordan, the resident SE Division writer for Kukla’s Korner. I highly recommend you check out the link: http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/southeast_division_mid_season_stats_pack/

Here’s a sampling:

Southeast Division Plus/Minus Leaders
1 – Bryan Little, Atlanta: +15
2 – John Carlson, Washington: +12
T3 – Brooks Laich, Washington: +10
T3 – Marty Reasoner, Florida: +10
T3 – Brent Sopel, Atlanta: +10
T6 – Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay: +9
T6 – Alex Ovechkin, Washington: +9
T6 – Nicklas Backstrom, Washington: +9
T6 – Michael Frolik, Florida: +9
T6 – Mike Green, Washington: +9
T6 – Christopher Higgins, Florida: +9
T6 – Dmitry Kulikov, Florida: +9

Southeast Division Assist Leaders
1 – Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay: 35
T2 – Alex Ovechkin, Washington: 30
T2 – Tobias Enstrom, Atlanta: 30
4 – Nicklas Backstrom, Washington: 28
5 – Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay: 26
6 – Dustin Byfuglien, Atlanta: 25
7 – Tuomo Ruutu, Carolina: 23
T8 – Eric Staal, Carolina: 22
T8 – Andrew Ladd, Atlanta: 22
T8 – Jussi Jokinen, Carolina: 22

Southeast Division Hit Leaders
1 – Tuomo Ruutu, Carolina: 164
2 – Alex Ovechkin, Washington: 136
3 – Tim Gleason, Carolina: 117
4 – Patrick Dwyer, Carolina: 107
5 – Chad LaRose, Carolina: 105
T6 – Erik Cole, Carolina: 97
T6 – John Erskine, Washington: 97
8 – Ryan Malone, Tampa Bay: 92
9 – Matt Hendricks, Washington: 78
10 – Mike Green, Washington: 77

Southeast Division Blocked Shot Leaders
1 – Brent Sopel, Atlanta: 100
2 – Tobias Enstrom, Atlanta: 96
3 – Ron Hainsey, Atlanta: 93
4 – Brett Clark, Tampa Bay: 90
5 – John Carlson, Washington: 87
6 – Johnny Oduya, Atlanta: 85
7 – Mike Green, Washington: 81
8 – Mattias Ohlund, Tampa Bay: 75
9 – Tim Gleason, Carolina: 74
10 – Jeff Schultz, Washington: 73

Obviously, it would be nice if we could get a couple of guys in the Top 10 for hits “issued”, but it’s nice to see our D-men so committed to blocking shots. However, they will need more help from the forwards in the 2nd half if we are going to be a playoff team.

Get The Puck Out

January 14th, 2011
12:02 pm

Alan- most of the main roads are clear, but secondary roads are still covered. I live on a mountain and my driveway is about a quarter mile long. Gonna try and salt today. GOTTA GET OUT!!!

World Be Free

January 14th, 2011
12:47 pm

Smoothie-those are “Red Light” type stats, nice work. Kinda supports what some of us have been saying about Sopel. This guy’s career stalled a couple years ago when Chicago picked him off the waiver wire. Talk about unsung heroes with the Thrashers, Sopel is the anti-goat.

Seems like alotta teams have UFAs this summer-look at FLA’s UFAs-
Tomas Vokoun, Bryan McCabe, Darcy Hordichuk, Chris Higgins, Marty Reasoner, Cory Stillman and Radek Dvorak + 5 more RFAs. Stillaman will attract interest for sure.

Thrashers27

January 14th, 2011
1:23 pm

Hey guys!

If you’re coming down for tonight’s game be sure to leave plenty early if you can. I came downtown at noon and 75-SB was backed up to Moores Mill. Roads are pretty clear, but there are a lot of donkey’s on the road that panic at the sight of a puddle.

Cornbread

January 14th, 2011
2:43 pm

Red Light none taken. My sarcasm probably didn’t come over well either. But, anyone is free to disagree with me and my commentary – especially the hockey knowledgeable. I know plenty that do. I just like talking hockey.

Cornbread

January 14th, 2011
3:02 pm

I’ll be at tonight’s game to see my two favorite teams. My boyhood team from the Broad Street Bullies days and my new adopted team. Even bringing an orange and black hat – and a blue one. I’m sure I just became a pariah around here – if not already. See you in Section 205. Thanks for setting up the sweet deal Rawhide. Bringing mom to her first NHL game – though she’s a true fan and and hockey mom that has seen hundreds of games.

My Thrashers need this win more than my Flyers. Let’s Go Thrashers!

DWTOO

January 14th, 2011
3:21 pm

C/B – Are you originally from PA? Usually don’t profess any liking of the Flyers on this blog (except the occaisional jab at R/L and Blueskirts) so it’s nice to have another BSB fan.

Rawhide

January 14th, 2011
3:22 pm

Cornbread – I’ll be in 205 myself. Look me up and come by to say Howdy!

JLH

January 14th, 2011
3:26 pm

I’ve got 2 tickets for free for tonight’s game to the first caller 404-786-0325

Cornbread

January 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

DWTO Yes, Harrisburg and that makes me a Hershey Bears fan too! Learned to skate on the frozen ponds at 4 years old. Loved seeing the skating down Peachtree Street vid. Brought me back to some good times skating for miles on the frozen over snow covered fields. Hopefully we won’t encounter any ice like that on the way there. About to head out for the trip.

Will do Rawhide. Looking forward to it.

Red Light

January 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

DWTOO’s credentials are hereby revoked!

Mrs. DWTOO

January 14th, 2011
4:20 pm

Hey, Cornbread, this is Mrs. DWTOO and I’m also from around Harrisburg (the West Shore) and am a Hershey Bears, BSB, and Thrashers fan (although I’ve adopted the Thrashers as my #1 team now – sorry Philly fans – I’ll cheer for the BSBs when they play any other team). From what part of the H-burg area do you hail?

DWTOO

January 14th, 2011
4:34 pm

C/B – Know what you mean – grew up in Bethlehem and we’d take sticks and pucks and skate up and down the Lehigh Canal. Before moving here I’d only skated indoors once.

R/L – Credentials? We don’t need no stinkin’ credentials.

Rawhide

January 14th, 2011
4:35 pm

Per C-Viv tweet: “Thrashers activate Evander Kane from IR. Reassign Tim Stapleton to AHL Chicago.”

ThrasherTim

January 14th, 2011
4:50 pm

Great news! We need Kane’s forechecking bad. I hope he can go 100%.

R. Stroz

January 14th, 2011
5:08 pm

PHILLY SUCKS!

Tom

January 14th, 2011
5:31 pm

Buff-n-stuff

January 14th, 2011
5:38 pm

We Need This Game 2nite !!!

razorneck13

January 14th, 2011
6:01 pm

All transplants should take notes from Cornbread on how to manage team loyalties. Root for the old hometeam, root for the new hometeam. Options are good.

BTW, Cornbread I will say this, the Flyers have some of the snazziest uniforms EVER, especially this incarnation of em. Plus I’ve always had a soft spot for em, because I went to my first NHL game about 15 years ago (Philly @ Tampa), I always hated the Lightning. Anywho…

LET’S GO THRASHERS!!!

Joe Friday

January 14th, 2011
6:16 pm

“my two favorite teams. My boyhood team from the Broad Street Bullies days and my new adopted team. Even bringing an orange and black hat”

I take back everything I said about you. Boo!!!

Tom

January 14th, 2011
10:01 pm

Okay, we all know Bogo is struggling. If you see tonights game on TV he was completely lost out there.

But it is no longer Bogo’s fault. It is Ramsay’s fault.

He is the one putting Bogo out there to fail. I do not know if it is intelligence, skill, or fear that has so immobilized Zach, but he is not playing like an NHL caliber defenseman. Yet Bogo does not make the schedule. Ramsay HAS TO SIT HIM.

R. Stroz

January 14th, 2011
10:07 pm

After watching Bogosian pull a pink flamingo on the Flyers second goal, I have a nickname for him:

PINK-O-SION

HookyBob

January 14th, 2011
10:09 pm

Does anyone know Pav’s save %age on wins vs losses? Seems to me we win when it is .91 or so and we lose when is less than .91. (He was just under .9 tonight.)

Sage of Bluesland

January 14th, 2011
10:11 pm

I say again: Do you feel what’s happening, Thrashers fans? Can you feel it? I’m glad I watched what I deemed necessary and relevant from the comfort of my own home….I almost feel sorry for those who frittered their assumingly hard-earned money away….Almost, that is…

Too bad the season is a bit longer than a six-week stretch in November and December…but, we’ve been down that road before, as well, haven’t we? Will any of you ever–EVER–learn?!

Maybe the wittle spweadsheet-maker and the Revisionist-Historian (Joe Bob Friday) will have the answers? Maybe Joe Bob “knew it all along” on what is going on in Thrashersland?

(Uh-huh, sure he does…Just wait a few years and he’ll say it again…and I’ll continue to laugh, too…)

LAC

January 14th, 2011
10:13 pm

bogosian HAS TO GO !!!! This was a critical game and we LOST AGAIN.

Third period was a DISASTER, no chnce in Dallas, as we now drop OUT of the top eight by next week. Unless MAJOR changes are made, This season is about OVER !

Russian

January 14th, 2011
10:23 pm

If we want to fix a situation:
1. Dudley has to make a trade.
2. Antro is very slow and nothing to do on ice. Buy him out, put him on waiver.
3. Bogus is horrible D-man. He has to go or sit for long time.
4. DO NOT put Rookie line together. HUGE mistake.

JoeBassist

January 14th, 2011
10:40 pm

For what it’s worth…here are my thoughts:
Ramsay has this saying often quoted by the commentators: “safe is death”…but maybe the Thrash need to learn “adapt or die”.
Other teams have figured out the weaknesses in the current system. “Safe is death” means, at best, “don’t sit back.” At worst, it means, “overpursue until there’s all kinds of holes in your defense”.
There are two places in the hockey rink that the Thrashers (with an occasional exception) seem to avoid year in, year out. These two spots are mirror images of one another. It’s in front of the goal, on the side that the goalie isn’t. On defense, teams repeatedly take advantage of this now.
On offense, the Thrash mostly seem to want to shoot from the outside, with no deflections and no screens. Let’s say you get 25-30 shots per game this way…most of them are very low percentage shots. Put screens, have a player fight for that spot in front AS A STANDARD PART OF YOUR OFFENSE, you might only get 20 SOG per game, but many more of them will have a decent chance.
Another thing: teams are attacking Byfuglien at the point and stripping the puck every game now. Maybe he should play low on the power play.

Glum from Gulliver's Travels

January 14th, 2011
10:45 pm

SOB is my son.

Smoothie

January 14th, 2011
10:47 pm

JoeBass — very astute observations. We stopped skating and working midway thru the 3rd.

Russian — you’re spot on. Antro needs to go on LTIR if he’s struggling due to the hip. But ASG is too cheap to eat his salary and / or get a replacement that makes b/w $3 – 4 M to get over the cap floor.

Rawhide — I think it’s time that we affix Nik’s hip to the milk carton. Don’t ya think? PS – I’m sorry I predicted the score…shoulda kept my mouth shut earlier today! ;-)

kovyoverrated

January 14th, 2011
11:02 pm

Looked like a AHL team(us) playing an NHL team (them).
Can we please, please, PLEASE!!!! get a defensman that will hit somebody? All the other teams know that they can go into the crease and nobody is going to get physical, especially Bogosian. Toby is great, Buff is doing what he is supposed to do(get the puck out and look up ice). But we have NOBODY that is not a “finesse” defenseman. We can pull all we want to get the Thrashers into the playoffs, but then what? The playoffs are all about physicality. We will get killed, again. Hell, put Slater on defense when he gets back. He hits! I am tired of seeing Bogosian looking lost and SCARED! Going back to last year in Denver. He just surrendered the zone to whoever came into it and the Avs scored 5 seconds into OT. NOBODY is hesitant to come into our zone. This is a violent game and the big boys play it that way. Somebody in Duluth has to put on their big boy pants and come to play.

Wayne stuck in AL

January 14th, 2011
11:16 pm

I’ll say it right here, right now:

This team will NOT make the playoffs.

Brendan

January 14th, 2011
11:41 pm

Ranallo warning??

Smoothie

January 14th, 2011
11:53 pm

Brendan – Bill was at the game and had a long drive back to look forward to. I think you’ve got some time to post. Not much more to say other than the obvious. Duds will have his work cut out for him trying to bring in a top-6 scoring winger and shoring up the D. Do we split the bottom two pairings and try to even things out? Bogey isn’t cut out for top 4 mins right now as teams are loading up when they are on the ice late in a game. Lavs was quick-changing to get better match-ups when either the Burmy line was out or Bogey/Oduya was on the ice. Although the 4th goal was totally Enstrom’s gaffe. But he’s allowed one every now and then! :-) Anyway, I’m thinking a reunion of Hainsey and Oduya might be in order simply because they seem to see and react to the game the same way. I feel as though Johnny ends up running around a bit because Zach’s anticipation of the play is lacking and he ends up getting caught too often in no-man’s land. But there are far more other problems to address like Antropov’s lack of production (hip or not), Kane’s lack of patience / inability to utilize a great teammate in Little, the lack of depth on the bottom 2 lines without Slater (believe it or not!) and the lack of physicality when the chips are down in the 3rd period. Lots of coaching challenges as well as GM ones for Rammer and Duds. Get to work men!

Brendan

January 15th, 2011
12:00 am

I’ll just proceed, not seeing the Ranallo warning. There were bright spots in this game. Truly, there were. If we can take 5 seconds to ignore the outcome, our PK unit didn’t give up any goals. Peverley had a huuuuge goal for us, to end the 2nd period. It was up to Atlanta to bring home the win in the third period.

People love to single out Bogosian and Bergfors, and Mason, etc., for our woes. But we win and lose as a team. I actually thought Bergfors had a decent game. Let the record show that I don’t come here to throw the team under the bus after every loss. I’m not going to call tonight’s game a “moral victory.” Or anything like that. But we were facing the # 1 team in the East. Well, honestly, I kinda think Pittsburgh is the best team in the East. But anyway, this was last year’s Finalist.

I’m not an apologist. I won’t make excuses. Neither will I simply ignore or gloss over the fact that this team has lost eight of its past eleven (8/11) games. We’re now in the portion of the schedule where the points get a bit harder to obtain. This is the time of the year where the BEST TEAMS in the NHL begin to separate themselves from the pack. It’s a fact that the Atlanta Thrashers banked a decent enough amount of points, percentage-wise, in the 1st half of this season to keep them in the playoff mix for a good long while. They might make it in. They might not. But they at least put themselves into a position to still be competitive, down the stretch. We have no distractive pending UFA Superstar contract to jettison at the trade deadline. Nor will we hold a “firesale” at the deadline. Hopefully, this ownership will step up to the plate to do what is necessary. “Lo que sea,” right Diego from Lilburn? This ownership will be given the opportunity to put its intentions on full display.

Brendan

January 15th, 2011
12:07 am

Smoothie, still plenty of ice up in Rawhide’s neck of the woods. Everyone’s got to use caution, until all of this melts. I think the Flyers were credited with 36 shots. I guess that’s not horrendous. But it’s still a lot of work for a goaltender, on a nightly basis.

Rawhide

January 15th, 2011
12:31 am

Brendan & Smoothie – i made it home safely, thank you both. I’ll have something new for you all first thing in the morning. until then, please feel free to disect tonight’s loss as you see fit here.

Brendan

January 15th, 2011
12:36 am

Glad to hear you made it home safely. Have we come up with a snazzy name for this weather? I’ve just be calling it “IceFest 2011.” I’ve enjoyed a bit of white on the landscape, but truthfully, I’m all in favor of letting it melt, at this point.

Thrashers27

January 15th, 2011
1:02 am

What does Bogosian have to do to earn a seat in the press box? Every time he touches the puck I cringe.

Cornbread

January 15th, 2011
3:20 am

Nice to sit behind you tonight Rawhide and chat a bit about the game. Pleasure to meet you as well.

DWTO’s I’m from the West Shore as well. Mechanicsburg class of ‘83.

It was a good game folks. A damn good game. The Flyers are a great team and took advantage of most of their opportunities. The Thrashers did not. Still, you could tell the time off helped get their system and special teams back on track. There was a lot to like about the way they played tonight against one of the best.

I believe the youth of this team is starting to hurt them a bit during this rough stretch. They are a very talented bunch – Bogosian included – but tonight they showed the Flyers a little too much respect- especially late in the third. They backed out of the attacking zone a little too quickly and easily. The gaps were big in the neutral zone. Instead of standing players up inside the NZ or on their own blue line and forcing a turnover, it was occurring deeper in their end. This also takes commitment from the forwards to slow teams down and cut-off space in the NZ.

That’s the next step in the Thrashers becoming a better team. They do not suck. They are very good right now and they are not that far off from getting back on track and beating the top teams again. It could have happened tonight. Disappointing loss for the Thrashers but their play was far better than what the score reflected.

Long day. Time for bed.

LAC

January 15th, 2011
6:22 am

Is there a defenseman in the entire NHL who is WORSE than this bogosian ???

He is not worthy of the ECHL at this point. Why ???? Can’t the coach & GM see this, WE do ?

This kid is not getting one bit better, he is getting MUCH WORSE. He is costing us every game and last night another example… He MUST be waived, traded, sent down anything to GET HIM OUT OF Atlanta !!!!

I just see a sinking ship, now without enough parts to keep afloat. We do not know how to win and it shows…. I have to agree with several others… NO PLAYOFFS AGAIN !!!!!!!!

Matt

January 15th, 2011
6:28 am

Can I panic now? It’s just unacceptable to lose (AGAIN) to a team that played the night before and one that gave up a 7 spot on top of that. This slump is just killing us. I can understand losing to the teams that are “better” than us, but we can’t even beat the teams that are worse, such as TOR or NJ. I just don’t know what needs to be done.

Cornbread

January 15th, 2011
10:32 am

Please explain why Bogosian is the worst D-man in the NHL. And, what did he do last night that cost the Thrashers the game?

littlemsmonk

January 17th, 2011
7:28 pm

In response to Runner’s comment regarding Ben Eager’s “girlfriend”, I’ve actually thought for sometime now that Eager’s problem was a “personal” one rather than a professional one. Maybe Eager’s girlfriend IS the problem. The girl he is dating is well-known to other athletes. She is the girl that Tony Romo dumped Jessica Simpson for. I really hate to be catty, but I can’t help but think she may be one of the reasons Eager plays so poorly. Someone else pointed out on one of these boards that it seems as if Eager is purposely trying to play his way OUT of Atlanta. Maybe she is the reason. If this is the case, he really is stupid, because he could be traded anywhere and the same problems would continue in whatever city he’s traded to. Please don’t trade him back to Chicago. The Blackhawks have enough issues and I seriously doubt that having Eager back in the same city with Natalie will make his play any better. If it is indeed a “toxic girlfriend” issue, then I feel sorry for Ben. Why anyone would trade a good chance at another Stanley Cup ring for some chick, I have no clue.

littlemsmonk

January 18th, 2011
12:21 am

Sorry. That one sentence should read “will NOT make his play any better”.