Thrashers fall to 3-5-1 at home with 2-1 loss to Panthers

Before we get into discussing Wednesday night’s game, allow me to apologize for seemingly shirking my blogging responsibilities of late. As many of you know, I’ve been away on a business trip to Miami and just got home tonight in time to watch the action at Philips Arena from the comfort of my couch. I’ve made several such trips during my 3+ years of hosting this online forum, but never before has one been so busy that it prevented me from getting some sort of blogs posted.

This trip, though…well, let’s just say I’m lad to finally be home.

Tomas Vokoun turns aside a shot from Evander Kane. It was one of the 38 saves he made in the 2-1 win over the Atlanta Thrashers (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Tomas Vokoun turns aside a shot from Evander Kane. It was one of the 38 saves he made in the 2-1 win over the Atlanta Thrashers (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Speaking of being home…that’s exactly where the Thrashers will be for the next couple of weeks. Beginning with tonight’s 2-1 loss, they’ll play six straight in Thrasherville. For the month of November 10 of 14 will be played in the friendly confines of Philips, and not until they travel to Denver on the 30th will they again don the white away jerseys.

And getting the homestand kicked off with a win would have been nice, however…

For the third time in a row, and second time in as many home dates, the Thrashers dropped a closely contested game…this time by the score of 2-1. The Panthers got a great game from goaltender Tomas Vokoun, who stopped 38 of the 39 shots Atlanta took on him.

Florida erased a 1-0 Thrashers lead in the second period with goals from Stephen Weiss and Radek Dvorak. This was after Zach Bogosian spotted the Thrashers to an early lead. Bogey got his ticket punched to leave Schnide Island at the 7:18 mark of the first opened the night’s scoring and was the first goal scored by the 2008 first round draft pick since March 25.

But the Thrashers certainly had their chances to level the score in the third period. Unfortunately, Vokoun robbed them at every turn, kicking out all 18 shots he was called upon to save.

Gotta give big kudos to Chris Thorburn how gutted a great performance during his last shift of the first period. He had just blocked a shot with his left leg and had lost his stick falling to the ice. But the Panthers kept the puck in the zone for about a minute after the play…probably on of the longest minutes of Thorburn’s life. He was visibly hobbled by the shot taken, but he stayed with the play, even with no stick, and even moved into position to block a shot if he needed to once Florida got the puck back out to the point.

That, my friends, showed a great deal of grit and determination from the Thrashers forward and is the kind of inspired play that will pump teammates up to match that level of performance and desire to do whatever it takes to win.

Prior to Thorburn’s painful shift, defenseman Dustin Byfuglien had also taken one for the team as he took a shot high on the leg close to the blueline. It was the last play of the night for Buff as he was unable to return to play due to the “lower body” injury.

Ondrej Pavelec was the tough-luck loser of the game, allowing but 2 goals on 34 Panther SOG. Despite his 1-4-2 record, Opie has a very solid 2.33 GAA and .928 SV%. Given the lack of back-to-back games until the second weekend of December, Chris Mason may not see a lot of ice time for quite a while.

Dispite hurting from a recently blocked shot, Chris Thorburn continued to play defense and even went down to block this Bryan McCabe shot (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Despite hurting from a recently blocked shot, Chris Thorburn found a way to finish out the shift and even went down attempting to block this Bryan McCabe shot (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

In the latter half of the game, coach Graig Ramsay shortened his bench to get Kane, Burmistrov and other on the ice for longer periods of time. Ben Eager only saw 8:58 TOI, Eric Boulton had 8:15 of ice time while Jimmy Slater skated for just 6 minutes and three seconds.

During the post-game presser, Ramsay lamented the play of his team in the second period. He was especially displeased with the way Florida netted their game-winner late in that period as the Thrashers again fell victim to sloppy play in their defensive zone. Ramsay looks to the leaders in the locker room to help address this problem. He believes that coaches can go over these breakdowns with the players over and over, but until the guys in the locker room decide to hold each other accountable for these plays, there’s only so much the coaching staff can do.

“We go over it all the time”, Ramsay told Chris Vivlamore. ”We talk about it. We show the video. Until the team takes charge of their dressing room, it’s not going to change.”

I guess this would be the perfect thing for the Thrashers team captain to discuss with the rest of the team as they…oh, wait…sorry. Never mind.

Things don’t get a heckuva lot easier for Atlanta. Friday night the Washington Capitals pay Thrasherville a visit, then after the Islander come in Sunday it’ll be Detroit, Montreal and Boston heading to town. That will bring to a close the 10 home games month of November.

So far, they are 1-3-1 in the first five of those 10 games at Philips and 3-5-1 overall at home for the season.

Ah yes…there is nothing like home, sweet home.

99 comments Add your comment

Tom (Capital T Tom)

November 17th, 2010
10:53 pm

ugh…

What really sucks is my son’s u-14 team played much more inspired hockey than the Thrasher’s did tonight.

They boys have the skill, they just need the heart now.

B. Thenet

November 17th, 2010
11:12 pm

When Ramsay finally benches Bogosian, I will know he is serious. Until then this whole holding people accountable nonsense is just talk.

LAC

November 17th, 2010
11:18 pm

This is awful, no other way to put it and they wonder why nobody shows up ???

Just think what a NEW OWNER would do for this franchise, this is starting to get very very very BAD !!!

R. Stroz

November 17th, 2010
11:33 pm

Yep Bogosian just stood and watched the guy skate by and pot the first Florida goal. The boy isn’t too sharp.

I’d like to know which three Atlanta forwards sat the entire third period. Those guys are in BIG trouble with the coach.

And lastly, Thorburn may not be the most talented guy on the team, but he proved he may have the most heart.

LAC

November 17th, 2010
11:34 pm

I have said zach needs to be TRADED ASAP. Let’s get what we can for him, he is the team’s WORSE defenseman, PERIOD !

Matt

November 17th, 2010
11:41 pm

Another losing streak looms. I am seriously bummed about this team.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
12:25 am

Hey Stroz, BOGOSIAN SUCKS!!

Goodness gracious he was awful in the 2nd period. He was only better in the 3rd because he wasn’t required to play defense with FLA sitting back in their prevent defense. Sopel on the other hand, showed he is deserving of more ice time and trust from the coaches, especially when he is well rested and doesn’t need to worry about back to back games.

Perhaps a Kulda call-up will get Zach’s attention…he needs to have an epiphany like NOW!

Wayne stuck in AL

November 18th, 2010
12:38 am

The team’s name should be changed to Atlanta QUITTERS.

Thrashers27

November 18th, 2010
1:33 am

Call the rest of them “quitters” if you want, but I say Thorburn earned himself a “C” in one shift tonight.

I’m not sure how big of a voice he has in “the room”, but his actions spoke clearly and loudly on the ice. I’ve personally heard him say that he “wants to be here”. Between that statement and his “stickless and wounded” shift tonight he earned my vote for captain.

He was hurt, without a stick and was out there placing his beak of a nose right in the shooting lane, at point blank range for at what seemed like an eternity. That guy showed some serious heart tonight.

Let’s hope his heart is contagious.

Cornbread

November 18th, 2010
2:02 am

Chris Thorburn is one Hell of a hockey player. He’s getting better every year and every game this season. He’s not a goal scorer but he’s playing the game the right way in both ends of the rink.

As for tonight’s game, what can you say? They didn’t play well in the second and I think seeing one of their team leaders go down effected them. They dominated the first and third. They are pissed that they lost. You have to like that instead of making excuses and feeling sorry that they didn’t get the bounces to go their way.

I feel bad for Eager. Two games in a row his turnover led to the game losing goal. He’s better than that and as a Stanley Cup Champion needs to and will play better. Time for pay-back against the Caps.

Putting On The Foil

November 18th, 2010
6:04 am

All for bringing Kulda up and can anyone tell me why we continue to waste time with Little? If your expecting another 30 goal season, forget it. Go ahead and put him on a milk carton Rawhide.

Mike

November 18th, 2010
6:36 am

Everyone should read my Thrashers-inspired blog. http://bit.ly/9dyMBH
All content came as a result of a BS performance last night. Touching up on the subject of Bogosian, Hainsey.

HonkyTonkHero

November 18th, 2010
6:51 am

The two times I can think of where Buff had to leave the game early the team fell apart. Clearly he is an imposing force on the team. I sure hope he is back for Friday’s game. It seemed like we were dictating the play in the 1st period and then Florida pressed us with an impressive forecheck and we freaked out. It didnt seem like our guys could adapt and start playing a different style. I wouldn’t say we rolled over and played flat. The team mostly looked like they were trying…we just couldnt get pucks past Vokoun and our defense was not aggressive enough in the 2nd and 3rd.

The Thorburn moment was awesome and the crowd (sizeable crowd for a mid-week game against another SE team) was going nuts. He got a huge roar and applause when Pavs finally trapped the puck.

I think the coaching staff has had long enough to see who the leaders are. Think its time to name em and hold their feet to the fire.

Buzzeng

November 18th, 2010
7:23 am

Any chance we can petition the NHL to allow us to play on the road for the next five games?

Jeff bastow

November 18th, 2010
7:26 am

Too bad Marty reasoner was traded away because he played his consistently 110% against the thrashers like he did when he was here. His locker room leadership is surely missed.

Red Light

November 18th, 2010
7:59 am

Eager, Slater and Antropov were those who saw very little action in the 3rd period. Antro had four shifts in the 3rd period but sat the entire last 5:11 of the game, Slater had none and Eager had one.

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
8:00 am

Even I am pissed today and that has not happened in a long time. How does anybody expect people to put money down, less waste time to make the effort to go to games when the team quits. And that’s all that happened last night, the guys quit.

Some players need to see the press box, or maybe Chicago. Elect a captain for crying out loud so the players can designate a player to answer for this one-ice mess.

R. Stroz

November 18th, 2010
8:11 am

Thanks Red Light

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
8:18 am

WBF showing some fire this morning! Love it! Not much to be happy about today. We can’t even get goaltending to translate into a W.

Perhaps Eager is so homesick for CHI he’s purposely tanking so he can get demoted and play in the 2nd city again! Why was Eager-Burmy-Thorbs ever broken up? Oh yeah, so Burmy could set up the red hot Eric Boulton.

I don’t understand why folks wanna throw Little under the bus when he’s far from the reason we’re losing hockey games. Antropov has been a tragedy of slowness this year, my lord he’s bad right now. Can we fit his mug and his giant -14 on a quart-sized milk container??

HP Drifter

November 18th, 2010
8:34 am

The lack of a captain is an issue methinks. The alternate or horizontal “A” thing just doesn’t provide any sense of cohesion and that is what is needed now. But then again, a short-term, trade-recevied player as “C” does not create a foundation either. Identity: what this team lacks (and defense, goal tending — the GA is outrageous!). Has Ramsay really impressed as head coach of the team ? The verdict is still out on that one. In some games it seems like a disparate group of players thrown together without any sense of direction or passion on the ice. Does everybody really want to be in that Thrashers uniform ? To play in an half-empty building ? That must be dispiriting for sure. 1 win 6 losses in the last 7 games, 1 point above FLA for the cellar position in the southeast, almost tied with the worst team in the league for goals against. . . . at the least it is early enough in this season to turn this ship around. Is there a captain aboard ?

Joe Friday

November 18th, 2010
8:56 am

“Guys are yelling at each other about mistakes. The first thing we have to do is be accountable, but we have to stay together as a team.”

The room has fallen apart, and Ramsay still hasn’t named a captain? And Ramsay calls the boys out and says they need to fix it in the room, but he hasn’t name a captain? I am less than impressed with Ramsay. For all the hoopla for some that he’d instill a system here, I don’t see it. We are woeful defensively, and that was to be his forte. His line changes are lacking, I repeatedly see him pass up chances on icings to switch his line to our advantage, those are the little things where a good coach can win you a tight game.

Eager had to be the one getting yelled at at the end of the 2nd. Thorburn’s play at the end of the 1st really inspired the team to come out hard in the 2nd, eh?

Russian

November 18th, 2010
9:03 am

I am absolutely agree that Ramsey has to return Burmy line (Eager-Burmy-Thron).
Also it is time to sit for Boulton and Antro. Bolt is good guy, but he is doing nothing on ice. He could not score, what’s reason to keep him in team if he skates only 6-7 minutes per game.
Antro is diffrenet story. He is unbelivable slow this year. I never been a big fan of Antropov. When he played in Toronto or NYC he always been slow. But Kovy wanted him and Don had him to the team for very BIG MONEY. Now Kovy is playing in NJ and we got $4 million contract.
Please do not think to TRADE Little. He played very good game. Vokoon was better. Little and Kane are very good chemistry. Stuart must help them to clean space. He did not on last game.
Second, Please do not TRADE Bogus. I know he played bad and made mistakes, but Coaches have to teach him play better. He was THIRD in first draft pick. Come on he has tallent, do not kill it. Do not repeat Corbun mistake.
I hope Ramsy keep line liek that:
Ladd-Pever-Berg
Kane-Little-Stuart
Eager-Burmi-Thron
4 line is very interesting.
If Modin is ready to play I like to see him with: Slater and Bolt.

Baldheaded Thrasher

November 18th, 2010
9:11 am

I think between 15:13 to 18:03 in the 2nd period there was something like 12 shots by Fla, 4 were blocked, 6 on goal, 1 miss and of course the one biscuit. Now in the last 45 seconds of that time period were 5 of those shots and the the Eager give away!

Clearly, Zach and Antropov are struggling due to old/current injuries, and I’d bet Eager got a belly full of it in the locker room last night, but I didn’t see the team quit. We had 18 shots in the third period and I didn’t see the team quit.

Yeah we sucked but give Vokun some credit….there was a reasonhe was the #1 star!

Willie B

November 18th, 2010
9:22 am

Joe: naming someone Captain doesn’t make them an instant leader. Somebody has to step up and take it. That’s what Ramsay is no doubt waiting for.

Big Shooter

November 18th, 2010
9:22 am

My personal opinion is the lack of a Captain hurts things. But not nearly as badly as not having someone on your roster who is really ‘Captain’ material. The reason we haven’t named a Captain is because there is not one person on this roster who is ready to be one. That, is problem number one…

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
9:26 am

Russian – true, Little and Kane are starting to come together, but if Stewart can’t be more physical to clear bodies and space, then let Torburn or even Boulton do it. At least those two rarely labor under the misconception they are supreme puck handlers who can dangle and make slick passes. When Stewart makes simple plays is when he’s at his best. The longer he holds, the faster the play breaks down.

As for Antro, he is obviously not anywhere close to 100 percent and frustration is written all over his face. What is the harm in putting him in the pressbox to rest for a couple of games? He has been on the ice for two, TWO! ES goals in 19 games! Whaaat? Use it as a way to make these guys accountable. Since Dawes was scape-goated, only obvious gaffes are being punished, not ineffectiveness. Bring me Spencer or Freddy P cuz they are getting wasted on a horrible CHI franchise right now. Eager/Boults-Burmy-Freddy P would be very interesting. Then put the GG back together for several games please!

Stephen

November 18th, 2010
9:29 am

I’m a former STH who hasn’t been to a game since 2008, but couldn’t pass up the facebook special. Two seats cost $3.50 plus parking plus beer. During the second period, I looked at my brother and said, well, we are getting what we paid for. It was terrible. I protest the games because of the octocluster, but watching the players’ lack of heart (except Thorburn!) confirms that my $$ should stay in my wallet. But then the boys that were allowed on the ice in the 3rd period played as though they had a firecracker lodged where only a TSA guy would find it. Go figure.

Don Waddell

November 18th, 2010
9:38 am

I am sitting pretty now. It took me 10 years to get here. Really don’t care much about the results, city image, accountability, etc. I will, though can GM, or Head Coach every year, or so to keep my job, while making sure this team goes nowhere, so I can keep my salary. That’s the way to do it! Meanwhile – all you guys keep expressing your useless opinions! You know the saying about how much it counts, and that everybody has one….

Jake

November 18th, 2010
9:44 am

Ramsay’s frustration is understandable, and reads like a re-run of seasons past when the frustrated coach was John Anderson or Bob Hartley. Which suggests to me that the problem is, as Ramsay says, the players. Further, that the kind of players who have come to Atlanta over the years fit a pattern set by Don Waddell just as the Braves players always fit a corporate model established by John Schuerholz. Here’s hoping that Rick Dudley and Ramsay find a way to change that culture (and to label it as “mediocrity” would be kind) and soon. Otherwise, the Thrashers will move to another city and local fans will be left with that charade called the NBA regular season.

msg

November 18th, 2010
9:54 am

Not only forhead, but entire Ramsey’s head will be all wrinkled up by the end of the season…

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
10:12 am

Willie-the team needs a captain. Can we say Buff earned it cuz the team folded after he got hurt? Does that tell us what the players think of him?

Zombie Steve

November 18th, 2010
10:17 am

Until you NAME A CAPT, Ramsey, noone on this team is going to take charge!

Larry E

November 18th, 2010
10:24 am

Love the Thrashers but enough is enough. Bring up players from the AHL or minors and sit these overpaid premadonnas. Support the Gladiators at Gwinnett Arena, these guys play hard not for the big bucks.Also, the Duluth Junior Thrashers at the Ice Forum for free. These kids 7-17 give a 100% every time, unlike their older Thrashers

Joe Friday

November 18th, 2010
10:25 am

“The reason we haven’t named a Captain is because there is not one person on this roster who is ready to be one.”

Not true. Ladd leads by example and is an excellent guy in the room. He was my logical choice since last summer, only reason blocking it is the fact they only signed him to a one year deal, but so what, he’s here this year, slap the C on him, enough already. Ramsay’s decision making with the C, with line changes, with the lines he skates out there, is getting my ire up.

Cormier is our future captain, and I can’t wait to see him on the ice for us.

Hoof Arted

November 18th, 2010
10:28 am

Give Ladd the C and be done with it.

Zombie Steve

November 18th, 2010
10:44 am

Almost went to the game last night….glad I didn’t

cousin Eddie

November 18th, 2010
10:48 am

I don’t know why everyone is saying we are quitters or we have no heart. That was the opposite of what I saw last night and the past 2 games. They are called mental mistakes. We had them in the second period and lost momentum. I still don’t understand why our defense keeps such a huge gap in between the the rushing offensemen. Every team we play keeps that gap within 10 feet. We give the other team all the time in the world to come in our zone and set up play. I see no neutral zone stance of any kind which I think is key to shutting down opponents. Give them that only option of dumping it and make them bang for it. Don’t give them an easy way in the zone with no contact and allow them to set up for the onslaught of shots! I like the way we play offense, with the cycles, controlling the puck, setting up the point. But whats hurting us is the defense that I saw last night when Oduya and Bogosian tried to hold the blueline of Florida’s in and ended up getting caught, was due to mental mistake. Bogosian should of recognized Oduya was headed to try and keep the puck in the offensive zone and cover at the center dot. Instead both went torward the blueline and inturn opened up space for Weiss to cruise through and score.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
10:51 am

Yeah, look what naming a lame-duck sniper our captain did for our team last year. Why make a hasty decision because of the perceived need for a captain. If the boys can’t manage themselves within the room, then that’s their problem to sort out, not Ramsay’s. If Rammer names someone that isn’t fully committed, for whatever perceived reasons, then it will simply backfire. Ladd seems like a logical candidate, but how do we know if he’s all that vocal in the room. If we’re gonna name a one-year desperation captain, it might as well be Sopel since he seems to play with the same desperation and will EVERY FREAKIN’ GAME!!

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
10:58 am

JF-totally agree on Ladd, Buff 2nd. Get a leader out there who will kick some butt. There will be no shouting between players on the ice or bench if you have a good captain. The captain deal with players not carrying their weight.

You know what thios team really needs? A couple players dropping hte gloves at practice. You got an issue with a teammate, deal with it the hockey way.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
11:00 am

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16644374

Wow, isn’t this a familiar refrain for markets like Atlanta vis a vis a city’s apathy when it comes to hockey. This city has a winning “legacy” and they still can’t get people to the arena. Who’s more to blame? The NHL for not elevating its stars in a game where stars are muted by the game’s tradition-rich history of not over-lauding them? It really is a team game right? Or are we to blame a society in which people don’t seem to hold traditional, old-school values as high as they used to? Yeah, eventually most cities will fill up an arena when it’s the chic, “in” thing to do (i.e. playoffs), but seems like most folks care more about what Lebron James said in his last interview in GQ rather than what the team is doing on the ice / court / field etc.

Interesting read, I highly recommend it even though I don’t agree with the overall tone of the article. Perhaps I’m just too old school.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
11:01 am

I really need to stop forgetting to use question marks so often…sheesh. No wonder no one ever answers my questions! :cool:

Tom Lysiak

November 18th, 2010
11:04 am

Not good when the players start yelling at each other. You want accountability, but you don’t want to lose the team. Right now it appears that some people are not buying in. The only way to wake them up may be to make a trade or send some people down. If specific people don’t want to be here or are not playing well enough to be here, move them. Changes wake teams up…..sometimes.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
11:37 am

Tom – don’t you think it stems from the fact that guys who seemed to be buying in (like Eager, Modin, Stewart etc) have had some of the most egregious errors, but those guys are then turning around and pointing the finger back at the guys like Slater, Bogosian, Kane, Antropov etc who may not be pulling their own weight?

Tom Lysiak

November 18th, 2010
12:00 pm

Smoothie – definitely. There appears to be a lot going on with the team. Antro does not appear to be ready to play at all. Some people are definitely not committed. I personally can live better with guys who make the errors over guys who aren’t trying. If I were Dudley, those who are not all in would be on their way out. Problem is, you can’t have the room divided into the mistake makers vs the ones just going through the motions. I know Ramsay is the coach and there is no captain, and I agree they need a captain badly. But if you do not have an on-ice leader, to me the head coach has to impose himself further. Leadership is missing.

On another subject, I am confused about something that has been going on. Some of us have been dogging Kane for never passing and playing selfishly. Then I hear and read Ramsay saying that he is preaching to everyone to shoot more and pass less. Put it on goal he says. Makes me wonder if the kid knows what he is supposed to be doing this year? Just trying to make sense of this deal.

Willie B

November 18th, 2010
12:05 pm

WBF : Really ? a team needs a captain , a leader, somebody to call his teammates to the carpet when they quir like last night ?? NS WBF!! I’ve been a Marine my entire adult life. I know the importance of leadership and I also know unless a dude steps up and earns it by their actions then it’s worse then not having one because guys will not respect him.

Bottom line here in Atlanta is the Thrasher ownership is NOT committed to winning. They never have been. Several on this board are no doubt the same boat as me. I’m tired of going down there and pissing away money on tickets, beer, and food to watch them lose ,or worse yet, watching them quit. I can take a loss as long as they don’t quit. I know when I spend my money next door that Blank is committed to bringing the Lombardi trophy to Atlanta and that Matt Ryan and Roddy White are not going to quit until the last second ticks off . The have both proved it numerous times this year. I have to compare it to football and a team i despise but if you want to see what happens when an ownership is 110% committed to winning look no further than the New England Patriots. As far as hockey look at the Wings or the BlackHawks. Rocky takes over the team and the first thing he does is go out and get Scotty Bowman as a senior advisor. Results? Stanley Cup.

If ASG doesn’t care then neither will I. I can stay home and watch Notre Dame lose on Saturdays for about $25

Alan R.

November 18th, 2010
12:12 pm

Dudley will be on NHL Live at 12:30pm.

The burning question: Will Dudley ask for donations?

LAC

November 18th, 2010
12:14 pm

I agree with the person who said Little needs to GO. Him, zach and slater are the worst on the team Little zack is THE worst defenseman in the whole NHL, Terrible. Carolina made a trade and slames Ottawa 7-1 last night, could not hurt us at all the way this team is going and ENOUGH of this “friends” stuff on the Thrashers, Winning is what we need !

But little/zach/slater need to be moved NOW ~ Enough excuses from dudley, he is getting good at that !…Just like his “buddy” waddell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rawhide

November 18th, 2010
12:35 pm

The Thorburn moment was awesome and the crowd (sizeable crowd for a mid-week game against another SE team) was going nuts. He got a huge roar and applause when Pavs finally trapped the puck.

HonkyTonkHero – I was dead-tired last night…watching the game from my couch. But I jumped up to my feet when he was battling through that shift.

Any chance we can petition the NHL to allow us to play on the road for the next five games?

Buzzeng – Kinda like how over the past few seasons I wanted to be able to petition the league to allow us to decline penalties called against the opposition and the PP was so bad?

I don’t understand why folks wanna throw Little under the bus when he’s far from the reason we’re losing hockey games. Antropov has been a tragedy of slowness this year, my lord he’s bad right now. Can we fit his mug and his giant -14 on a quart-sized milk container??

Smoothie – Antropov should be sat down until his hip is 110% recovered from last summer’s procedure. Who would replace that large frame in front of the opposition’s net? Hmmm…may I suggest, crazy as it sounds, this guy named Dustin Byfuglien? I mean, at least until Nik is ready to play at full capacity?

I will, though can GM, or Head Coach every year, or so to keep my job, while making sure this team goes nowhere, so I can keep my salary.

“Don Waddell” – Sure you can coach or GM…but please, never in Atlanta again…OK?

Give Ladd the C and be done with it.

Hoof Arted – Agreed….(and BTW, it wasn’t me).

Some of us have been dogging Kane for never passing and playing selfishly. Then I hear and read Ramsay saying that he is preaching to everyone to shoot more and pass less. Put it on goal he says. Makes me wonder if the kid knows what he is supposed to be doing this year? Just trying to make sense of this deal.

Tom Lysiak - I think your point is spot on. If the kid can score…let him score.

Almost went to the game last night….glad I didn’t

Zombie Steve – I thought about it too. Flight got in about 4-ish…coulda driven to Philips on my way home. I did that a couple years ago, but forgot to tell The Divine Mrs. R that was my plan.

I got a call while I was standing in CNN Center before the game from her…she comment that MIA sounded pretty noisy in the background and she asked when I would be getting home…Oops.

I just answered, “Um…late”.

So…I decided to just head home. You know…just to be safe.

glovesave29

November 18th, 2010
12:41 pm

I can’t pin the first goal solely on Bogosian. There was no forecheck, puck pressure or neutral zone play from the Thrashers on that outlet pass. To make up for that, Bogo has to move backwards but got himself in too deep. Once a forward has a D man that deep and retreating…well he is toast. Hopefully that will be a lesson to him. He did not use the forwards momentum to take him out of the play. This is something you would hope he would know already…but obviously does not.

I generally am pretty forgiving on fellow goalies. Pavs did have a super game last night, but on the first goal, he cannot leave the post open. He’s also go to stay off of his stomach. Someone PLEASE work on his weight transfers and footwork! That being said, a pedestrian effort by him last night and that game would have gotten out of control. Both goalies were, for the most part, fantastic.

Antro’s hips are OBVIOUSLY still hurting. Look at the way he skates…almost fully erect. When holding the stick, his top hand elbow is tucked into his body instead of our front. Sit him until he is ready.

R. Stroz

November 18th, 2010
12:53 pm

glovesave29 – The Thrashers can’t put Antro on IR or they’ll never reach the salary floor this season.

The ASG and Waddell have really handicapped this team with a pathetic payroll.

Alan R.

November 18th, 2010
12:56 pm

Pavs did have a super game last night, but on the first goal, he cannot leave the post open. He’s also go to stay off of his stomach. Someone PLEASE work on his weight transfers and footwork!

I heard somewhere that the consultant is in town, and has been working with both goalies. I’m pretty surprised that, despite everything Pavelec has done good, that he still goes down like… well, I won’t say it, but everyone here knows what I mean ;)

glovesave29

November 18th, 2010
1:04 pm

Stroz…than just sit him. He’s hurting the team and himself by playing. I give him credit for gutting it out.

Alan – Malarchuk is our goalie coach. Ya just wonder if Clint has Ondrej’s attention. The physical tools and athleticism is certainly there. Right now he’s like Ebby Calvin “Nuke” LaLoosh…he needs to listen to his Crash Davis…aka his goalie coach.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
1:17 pm

Stroz – he doesn’t have to be on IR to sit. We can carry 14 forwards.

glove – I do believe Malrchuk has had some positive impact on the young Pav. Also, to your point about Bogey, you’re being too easy on him. He had every chance to use his stick to take away Weiss’ fore-hand on the play…he was well within reach of him if he moved his feet. But instead he just coasted and watched as Johhny flailed helplessly to get the puck. Like you said, he could’ve at least tried to ride him off the play with his body. Oh wait, Zach only hits people when they are facing the glass or sitting ducks in the corner.

Bill – at least Rammer is finally wising up and putting a big, fast body (Eager) and Burma in the middle with Antro on the RW. If he’s gonna play, I think that’s the best case scenario since Burma is our best pass-first center.

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
1:34 pm

Willie B-good for you and your service, but remember I am not one of the owners.

You don’t want to spend your money there, that’s your call. Right now the issue is on the ice and the guys not playing up to their expectations.

joedaiceman

November 18th, 2010
1:54 pm

I’m pretty sure putting Thrash out there to skate with the boys will not be a downgrade. Duds undoubtedly smoking the funny cigs in his Ivory Tower that convinces him all is well. Hey Duds – Thrash won’t cost you a penny against that salary cap that you refuse to utilize to build a real hockey team here in Atlanta.

Flames

November 18th, 2010
1:54 pm

I’m Just so frustrated! We need someone to step up and be a leader. That second period last night was just embarrassing. I truly enjoy watching Burmistrov play. He is an exciting player to watch. I think we should appoint Buff Captain. Then my second vote would be Ladd. Any news on Cormier?

Cornbread

November 18th, 2010
2:27 pm

Lots of blame being thrown around and placed on Bogosian for the first goal. Typical that the D-men are usually the goats when a team gets beat. BUT, the blame for the first goal can clearly be placed on Bergfors. The coach even alluded to it in his presser without calling him out by name.

The puck was dumped in hard from Bogo’s side. The puck made it all the way to the opposite half-wall where it was easily recovered by FL. It happens. Unfortunately, both ATL and FL were going opposite directions at that point. And per Ramsay’s system, Oduya, the now strong side D-man, was pinching in to the point. Bergfors was now the weak side high forward and instead of backchecking and covering for his pinching man – who had his man covered – changed his momentum and went for the same guy. This left basically a 2 on 1 that Oduya never recovered from and allowed Weiss to split between him and Bogo. Bogo, the far side D-man, had his man. Allow an NHLer speed through the neutral zone and not too many guys are going to stop him. Weiss was Bergfors’ man. He blew it.

The dump-in did not go as planned. That wasn’t the problem nor was the execution of 4 of the skaters on the ice at the time. The breakdown on the play that led to the goal clearly came from Bergfors. Good things usually don’t happen when you get three forwards – and a D-man – along the same wall. Play the system boys. It’s easy and a beautiful thing when everyone is playing the same game.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
2:31 pm

“Bogo, the far side D-man, had his man”

Hate to argue such nitpicky points, but that man was hardly a threat as Weiss was driving hard with no intent to pass. Plus, a pass would’ve been pretty tough considering the angle and Bogey’s placement on the ice. But he was still within reach of Weiss and could have done something. Then again, some would argue that Pavs must take away the fore-hand, but I thought it was the D’s responsiblity to give weak-side help when the goalie has the puck possessor.

glovesave29

November 18th, 2010
2:42 pm

That deep in the slot, the proper play by Bogo would have been to lay out on the ice and cut off Weiss’ ability to cross across the face of the goal, thus giving Pavs the upper hand by taking away half of the net.

Cornbread

November 18th, 2010
2:50 pm

And let me add that FL’s first goal was a beautifully executed break-out goal. Pretty all around on their part. It looked like a tic-tac-toe back and forth down the ice passing drill that all teams from pee-wees up practice.

JB

November 18th, 2010
2:56 pm

Andrew Ladd named Captain. Buff & Toby get the As

lola

November 18th, 2010
3:08 pm

Our team did not play to their potential and that was not fun to watch, but my friends and I had lots of fun screaming at them and telling them what they should do. We also had the bonus of watching one of the Panthers getting his tooth pulled {Give Bood – Play Hockey!} And I watched my man #36 giving pointers to Burmistrov who seemed to be paying attention! Let’s get a win on Friday!!!

Red Light

November 18th, 2010
3:10 pm

From my post on August 24.

“Unless I miss my guess, Antropov will be your captain…I’m no fan of Euro captains, but if Ladd had been inked to more than a one year deal, he would have been an excellent choice in my opinion, even though he hasn’t played one game yet. He learned from great leaders in his past: Brind’amour, Francis, Wesley, Toews, etc.”

Just saying…

Rawhide

November 18th, 2010
3:13 pm

:!: ANDREW LADD NAMED THRASHERS CAPTAIN!! :!:

JB – As you correctly posted…C-Viv writes that Andrew Ladd will wear the C for the Thrashers.

Byfuglien and Enstrom will be alternates.

JB

November 18th, 2010
3:16 pm

wanted to see if i could get the news up here first :-)

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
3:35 pm

Was Rammer reading the blog?

Cornbread

November 18th, 2010
3:41 pm

Watch the tape Smoothie. It’s not nitpicky. It is the reason the goal was scored. Weiss was Bergfors’ man not Bogos. Bergfors had Weiss and let him go. Weiss was inside Oduya essentailly creating a 2 on 1 against Bogo. If Bogo goes for Weiss at that point it leaves Stillman wide open on the back door.

Bogo had his man covered and Bergfors left him out to dry and take the fall as evident with all the criticism. He was put in a bad spot that should not have occured had a team mate done their job. I’ve been critical of Bogosian’s play myself, particularly last year. This goal, however, was not against him.

As an old D-man, it drives me crazy when forwards blow their coverage and the blame is always placed on the D or the goalie. Playing D as a wing is the easiest job on the ice. Bergfors was irresponsible and pulled a Kovalchuck by going after the puck instead of going where the puck was going next.

Cornbread

November 18th, 2010
3:44 pm

Well that is good news. Maybe the Captaincy will thwart the mutiny that is going on here and elsewhere. Great Alternate selections as well.

Hokie P. Clisters

November 18th, 2010
3:44 pm

I don’t know if naming Ladd captain is going to change anything. I hope it does, the Thrashers make the playoffs, and Ramsey is coach of the year. However, it appears to be a last grasp effort to salvage a season. I really like Rammer but maybe there’s a reason he has never been a head coach too long…….no doubt that the Florida game was a must win in the minds of Ramsey and Duds. Coach pretty much laid it out after the game….we either improve or nosedive from here. I wonder how long Ramsey will last if we nosedive?

Rawhide

November 18th, 2010
4:00 pm

Was Rammer reading the blog?

WBF – Why yes…I’m sure he was. :cool:

Actually, you’d be surprised who inside the organ-I-zation has been trolling this little blog thing.

Everyone – Per C-Viv tweet, “Ondrej Pavelec will start in goal for Thrashers vs. Caps Friday”.

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
4:05 pm

“Watch the tape Smoothie. It’s not nitpicky. It is the reason the goal was scored”

I wasn’t saying you were nit-picking…it was more a self-scolding for continuing to pick nits because I realize there are a lot of things that go into a hockey play and goals can result from team breakdowns such as the one you are explaining. And you’re right, I’m not disputing that. My point is that the lack of effort (and it’s clear as day on the tape replay from all three angles) by Zach right were the goals are being scored. The 2nd man in (Frolik?) drifts wide and pretty much takes himself out of the play because he knows Weiss is driving hard. Zach is STILL close enough to make a play on the puck IF HE TRIES! He’s already turned towards Weiss and away from the other forward. That’s the point: one mistake (turning the wrong way) could’ve been corrected with some desperation and effort on Zach’s part (see glovesave’s comment on diving to break it up). As Bergie’s TEAMmate, it’s Zach’s job to pick him up and make a goal-saving play. This instance is emblematic of a greater problem with Zach giving up on plays or not working hard enough. That’s the bigger issue. At least Johnny O was trying to stop Weiss.

Barney Rubble

November 18th, 2010
4:12 pm

Joe Friday

November 18th, 2010
4:27 pm

“I don’t know if naming Ladd captain is going to change anything.”

I think it’ll help. I also think it will help to get Cormier in the lineup.

Looking forward to a lot more fun at Phillips Arena tonight (and a soldout house), anyone else going? “So ya, thought ya, might like to go to the show . . .” and then a lot more fun at the game Friday night, see if Ladd can help tear down some of the walls in between the ears of some our knucklehead players

Smoothie

November 18th, 2010
4:42 pm

Joe – he may need a crowbar to crack open the wall in some of these players’ heads.

@not_CThorburn

November 18th, 2010
4:48 pm

Bill, thanks for the kudos. I almost had to change my shorts after that shift.

I’ve got a serious bruise but don’t worry, my hair was not harmed in any way.

Chris

Alan R.

November 18th, 2010
4:56 pm

Typical that the D-men are usually the goats when a team gets beat.

I honestly can’t remember, but were you here when Lehtonen was the goalie? No matter what he did, he would get crapped on. He made 51 saves in a game against the Capitals in 2008, and was 1:03 from a shutout, and got scored on. And someone complained about it.

@not_CThorburn

November 18th, 2010
4:57 pm

Thanks to R.Stroz, Thrashers27, Cornbread, HonkyTonkHero, Joe Friday, Stephen, and anyone I missed for your support.

Ladd will make a great Captain.

He needs to let his hair grow a bit and use some moisturizer, but other than that he will make a great Captain.

R. Stroz

November 18th, 2010
4:57 pm

Smoothie – How about a Sledge-O-Matic

Spud Webb

November 18th, 2010
5:50 pm

I love the comments about bogo, crap like “he’s not to sharpe” basically calling him dumb. You guys/girls ever hung out with him? Why do you have to question someones intelligence because he had a bad hockey game? Poor taste for sure.

Spud Webb

November 18th, 2010
5:55 pm

RedLight, I vote you as captain, get down there and take care of business. ahhahahah wooooooooooo.

Hokey P. Clisters

November 18th, 2010
6:31 pm

Joe – I will be very happy if it helps. Ladd is already a Thrasher favorite with his play. Cormier could also be tone setter down the line. If Ladd can help turn the team around then we certainly will sign him long term, won’t we? Knowing the AS as were do that could be an issue. It certainly is going to pad his wallet if the team improves from here. The Thrashers are going to have to pay one way or another…plus I hope Ladd has at least 6 crowbars to assist him in the assimilation process.

R. Stroz

November 18th, 2010
6:39 pm

Spud – Bogosian has made plenty of mistakes over the course of this season and last. He seems indecisive at best, when deciding whether to “take the man” or remain “in his zone.” As a result, he does neither well.

Often, his clearing attempts end up being easily intercepted before clearing the defensive zone, resulting in prolonged shifts for the entire team.

Add to that, he has a propensity to rim the puck before he crosses center ice, resulting in unnecessary icing calls.

These mistakes are why I question his “hockey sense.”

cousin Eddie

November 18th, 2010
6:48 pm

great points by cornbread and smoothi- I didn’t have the luxury of seeing the replay so I rescind my earlier comments about Zack being totally at fault. The little breakdowns are what kill ya just like Ramsay says.

Red Light

November 18th, 2010
6:58 pm

Thorburn feature and a couple of choice observations from Ramsay (prior to last night’s game). Hordichuk tomorrow I hope!

http://www.sportssoutheast.com/index.php/red-light-report/59-nhl/226-commitment-is-a-thorburn-trademark

Cornbread

November 18th, 2010
7:02 pm

Alan I’ve been watching the Thrashers since day 1. I’ve been reading the posts here and at the message boards for several years. I got sick of reading the MBs because many posters had no clue what they were talking about when it came to hockey. Here it is better (some days I do wonder though). In this game it’s easy to blame the last guy involved in giving up a goal. It starts with the goalie and works its way out from there. When in many cases – like both of last night’s GAs – fault lies and/or begins with the forwards who typically get off scot-free.

Bogo has deserved a lot of past criticism as have past Thrasher teams. Not this time though. They had a bad period but good has come from it. I am seeing something in this team that I have not seen before in ATL. The key word is team. They are now playing like one instead of freelancing individuals playing shinny hockey. That started with Dudley and Ramsay is now charged with making it work. They may not be as skilled as the elite teams in the league (and they have plenty of skill and depth) but they are getting very close to the point of competing with and beating them every time they step on the ice.

Last night was not a blowout. And to act like it was is over the top. Should they have won? Yes, but even the elites are going to lose like that. I understand everyone’s frustration and that includes the player’s and coach’s. I believe it stems from their knowing that they can win against the best of them. I’m not ready to throw in the towel yet. Lose the next 5 bad, maybe. But, that is not going to happen.

Big game Friday night. I expect big things.

Flames

November 18th, 2010
7:04 pm

We still need another scorer. Who will be on trading block that we could get around the dead line. I hope we are still in the playoff hunt by then. Smoothie who do you think will be available. You are usually looking at these possibilties. We will have plenty of cap room.

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
7:27 pm

Ladd was the guy mentioned most as captain material on the blog, so I think it is a good choice. Better than having no captain at all, that is for sure. Almost suggested Thorny after his gutsy play last night after taking the shot. More guys need to follow his lead.

Ladd’s time in Carolina and Chicago during their Cup runs will be useful here. Now it’s time to get his name on a 3 year deal to build with your captain.

World Be Free

November 18th, 2010
7:28 pm

Flames-get Sturm from Boston; B’s need to make a deal and Marco would be an upgrade as long as his knee is cool.

Alan R.

November 18th, 2010
7:40 pm

Alan I’ve been watching the Thrashers since day 1. I’ve been reading the posts here and at the message boards for several years.

I meant no offense by my statement. It was only to say that people here haven’t always blamed D-men.

Hello

November 18th, 2010
8:15 pm

Mr. Bill, has a certain blogger been banned?

Rawhide

November 18th, 2010
8:29 pm

Anybody else watching this Lightning-Flyers game? With 30 minutes played and 30 left to go, there have been 13 goals scored.

7-6 Philly halfway through the second period.

rob

November 18th, 2010
9:06 pm

Been awhile since I posted, but enough is enough is enough already! There was a decent crowd there last night, for Atlanta on a Wednesday night. Wife scored some free tickets in 101 on the glass, NICE seats!!! There was ZERO ZIP NADA NO feel from the fans there AT ALL!!! I was at the season opener and 2nd Sabres game and the place was rocking! Could it be because the music guy was getting the fans involved? Dare I say Thrash was running all over the place, banging his drum and getting the fans involved? All those people sitting there uninvolved while a hockey game was going on right there in front of them! I know it’s the south and we have some southern hospitality and all, but DAMN, make some freaking noise people! I tried unsuccessfully to get many chants going, only once did I get any response (Thanks whoever it was who had the smaller drum or whatever behind us some distance I would have continued but my voice finally gave out!)! Talked to Vokoun after he let Zach off the Isle of Zilch, called their defenseman a lumberjack after working over Bergfors, booed the refs after HORRIBLE non-calls (another topic all together that I was LIVID about but whatever)! These games are what will get this team into the playoffs! Inter division rivalries! Where is the EXCITEMENT? Get someone in the music side that can get the place MOTIVATED again. It isn’t rocket science people, the players feed off of the energy in the building! Juggling the Defense hurt and I knew we were in trouble when I saw Sopes and Enstrom paired up as they rotated everyone. Why that whole place didn’t give Thors a standing ovation is beyond me…..he deserves our undying loyalty after that show of guts and I’m not even a big Thors fan. Bolts needs to be sat, he is taking up space in a 4 line team. If he is giving Burmi pointers we are screwed….and on the topic of Burmi, kudos to you for staying out there while the refs allowed the Panthers to take as many runs at you as they wanted without a penalty after the incident in the corner, didn’t see how the guy fell but he got up and skated away from it seemingly just fine after play stopped.

Ramsey is still at the helm, but damn she’s taking on water quick and listing to port!!!!!!

RAWHIDE,
any word on Cormier? If Duds says shakeups a comin’, who’s playing best up in Chi town?

Rawhide

November 18th, 2010
9:31 pm

rob – My understanding is that Cormier is 90% complete with rehab.

Dwayne

November 18th, 2010
9:57 pm

90% of Cormier has got to be better than 100% of ________. (insert name)

Laddy

November 18th, 2010
10:01 pm

After estimating the size of our interal issues………..I’m gonna need a bigger crowbar.

Dwayne

November 18th, 2010
10:08 pm

Laddy, you might want to try a jack hammer

Rawhide

November 18th, 2010
10:13 pm

R. Stroz

November 19th, 2010
2:11 pm

Rawhide

November 21st, 2010
8:17 am

R. Stroz – Nope.