Blackhawks down Thrashers in 5-4 shootout win

I have to be honest with you up front here. Saturday night’s Blackhawks-Thrashers game is exactly the kind of game I hate seeing settled by way of a shootout. The way these two went at each other for 65 minutes, launching a total of 77 shots on goal between them…I simply would have loved to have seen at least five more minutes on overtime to see if the eventual winner could be settled during actual team-vs-team play.

I bet it would have at least been as entertaining as the rest of the game.

The Thrashers played very well for the most part, coming out with a heckuva lot more jump and passion than they did last Thursday against the Blue Jackets. But in this reunion of Blackhawks playing at Philips Arena, it was the defending Stanley Cup champions that skated away with the second point in the 5-4 shootout victory…leaving the Thrashers having to settle for the one consolation point for their efforts.

As for the former-Blackhawks that now reside in Thrasherville…Ben Eager had one assists and was a +1… Dustin Byfuglien had an assists, was a –2, took 6 shots on goal and led Atlanta with 24:41 TOI… Brent Sopel had no points and was a +1…Andrew Ladd earned an assist, was a –1 and tallied the Thrashers lone shootout goal.

Jeremey Morin…the prospect traded to Chicago along with Marty Reasoner for Byfuglien and Eager, Sopel…played just under ten minutes in his NHL debute. He was helped off the ice early in the third after blockin a Johnny Oduya shot.

Ondrej Pavelec was given the start for the second consecutive game and turned aside 36 of 40 shots the Hawks got off on him.

It was the 12th time in 14 games that an Atlanta goalkeeper has had to face at least 30 SOG and it was the 6th time that total has gotten to or above. 40. The last three games has seen the opposition get off 137 shots during 185 minutes of play.

Ondrej Pavelec stops one of the 40 shots he faced against the Chicago Blackhawks (AP Photo)

Ondrej Pavelec stops one of the 40 shots he faced against the Chicago Blackhawks (AP Photo)

The first two Blackhawks goals came while Chicago was on the power play, then there was a breakaway in the second period as Pavs was beaten by a Jonathan Toews wrister. Later in the second period, with the Thrashers up 4-3,  Toews was able to win the puck from Pavelec behind the net and feed it to Patrick Kane who snapped it into an empty net.

But Opie held fast the rest of the way, stopping all 13 shots he faced in the third and three the Blackhawks got off on him in OT.

Oddly enough, as the horn sounded to end the extra period of play, I found myself looking over at the Thrashers’ bench…specifically at coach Graig Ramsay and goalie Chris Mason. I was wondering if Rammer had any thoughts of possibly pulling a “Bob Hartley” and swap the netminders before the skills contest known as a shootout.

As you’ll remember, the former coach did just that four years back in Philadelphia with Johan Hedberg and Kari Lehtonen. It was the first time anything like that had been tried since the tie-breaking measure was implemented following the locket, but it failed to produced the desired effect as the Thrashers fell to the Flyers.

Pavelec has had zero success in shootouts. Coming into this game he was 0-5, including the loss in St. Louis a week ago in which he failed to save either attempt taken on him.

Toews successful shot on the Blackhawks first try in exhibit A of what Opie’s main issue is here. There was a move to the right, a move to the left…then the puck was lifted over Pavelec as he was leaning forward and falling on his chest to the ice.

Staying vertical is key to his success in this aspect of the game.

“The guys deserved better help from me”, Pavelec said after the game. “We deserved to win this game”.

Of his troubles in the shootout, the young netminder remarked, “It is what it is…I know I’ve got to be better there and help the team get the extra point”.

Returning to the main portion of the night’s festivities… trailing 2-1 at the first break, Atlanta bounced back to tie the game, then take the lead. And by “ounce back”, I mean exactly that…bounce back.

Evander Kane’s shot shortly after the 3-minute mark struck iron…then struck the backside of Marty Turco. The puck then bounced back over the goal line. Kane’s tally came just seconds before Patrick Sharp’s tripping minor expired.

Less than a minute later, Alex Burmistrov pinged a shot off the crossbar and bounced back in front where rookie slammed it over and past a sprawling Turco. Burmistrov’s goal was the only one for Atlanta in which the two sides were skating 5 on 5.

In the first, Nik Antropov snapped over Turco’s glove while Jack Skille sat in the sin bin pondering his tripping penalty. Then in the second, Rich Peverley capitalized on a very well executed three-way passing play between he, Antropov and Andrew Ladd. At the time, Patrick Kane was being given a time out for high-sticking.

In closing… it’s hard for me to decide whether or not this was a “point lost” via the shootout defeat, or a “point gained” in the standings by taking last spring’s Cup champs past 60 minutes. The Thrashers held leads of 1-0, 3-2 and 4-3 in this game…but also trailed 2-1. The two sides held the other scoreless in the third period as the Hawks took 13 of the 21 shots taken in the final 20 minutes of regulation.

In the end, I guess a point is a point and we move on.

As Opie said, ”It is what it is”.

97 comments Add your comment

stendek

November 6th, 2010
11:57 pm

True coach WOULD have inserted Chris Mason Bill. Especially considering shootout ineptitude of Pavs coupled with way he surrendered tying goal. Nightmares of Kari Lehtonen. This keeps Thrasher losing streak intact. Point does nothing to serve as solace after yet another Philips Arena fold. STENDEK

Wayne stuck in AL

November 7th, 2010
12:19 am

Biggest crowd of the season (16,022)…the crowd we should normally be getting for weeknights.

Brendan

November 7th, 2010
12:19 am

To be honest, Rawhide, “Yes, I was thinking just that, namely, substituting Mason for Pavelec, for the shootout.” And truthfully, I hate seeing that. Personally, I think the goalie who got you through 65-minutes should be given his fair opportunity for the win. That’s, conceptually, my answer.

However, rolling around in my brain … was this thought, “When, EXACTLY, was the last time Pavelec made a shootout save?” And then, that’s when it hit me. I heard Bob Hartley’s thick French-Canadian accent saying, “As dah coach, it’s my job to field dah team dat best give us dah chance to win.” With that in mind, I honestly thought that Mason, in the shootout, gave Atlanta its best chance to win.

Once again, unfortunately, we saw that Atlanta could NOT play with the lead. That’s no surprise, to people who have been paying close attention. Atlanta is just going to have to win its games by coming from behind. And, really, that’s not a great strategy. I much prefer getting out to a lead, then keeping it.

Brendan

November 7th, 2010
12:21 am

Wayne in Alabama, were 8,715 of those fans Blackhawk backers? I wasn’t there, tonight. But I’m guessing there were plenty of Blackhawks jerseys in the crowd.

NHL Scouting Report

November 7th, 2010
12:21 am

When facing Pavelec in a shootout, move side to side several times, once Pavelec does a face plant from leaning too far forward, simply deposit the puck in the net.

R. Stroz

November 7th, 2010
12:28 am

Brendan – Plenty of “new” Blackhawk fans in attendance.

As a side note, Pavelc stopped alot more shots than he was given credit for turning away. During the third period alone, when the Thrashers stppoed playing offense, I watched over 7 shots on goal NOT counted. At one point, my wife asked why the Blackhawk shots weren’t being counted. I retorted someone with the organization didn’t want the SOG count of 50 shots again.

R. Stroz

November 7th, 2010
12:30 am

My typing really blows chunks after midnight.

Cornbread

November 7th, 2010
3:50 am

That was a great play-off type game. Both teams came to play. Good size and loud crowd. It was a game of crazy bounces. I thought Pavs was fighting it with some of those bounces but he also made some big saves. I really liked the Eager Slater Thorburn line. They were making things happen and Thorburn had another great game. He is becoming one heck of a grinding hockey player. It looks like Antropov is back. Buff seemed to play a bit more cautious tonight against his old team. Maybe that was smart. I didn’t see Keith or Campbell jumping up much either. Respect. Some pretty goals were scored as were some ugly ones. It is what it is, an exciting and well played game by two very good teams. Sucks not to get two out of it.

Red Light

November 7th, 2010
5:22 am

In the OT, I thought I was watching a 70s version of college hoops, with Dean Smith’s Tar Heels (Blackhawks) implementing the four corners offense and keeping the puck away from the Thrashers.

Kane, Sharp and Toews dictated play with 18 shots on goal, the same number that E. Kane, Peverley and Byfuglien had combined.

You’re actually going to find fault with Pavelec’s play from last night? On the behind-the-net play, he was victimized by no support and made a costly error. The shoot-out goal by Stallberg, who’s stopping that one? Otherwise, he played well facing a ton of pressure and kept the Thrashers in the game.

You sit a goalie for 65 minutes and then want him to play in the shoot-out? Only self-possessed coaches like Hartley and Tortorella would pull a stunt like that in Game 14 of the season. That’s no way to build confidence in a 23-year-old goalie, or your team’s confidence in him. Yes he needs to improve in the shoot-out and in many phases of the game, but…

Enstrom was on the ice for all four Blackhawks goals last night. Shall we bench him too?

Peverley was 17-of-21 in the face-off circle last night, and his goal from Antropov and Ladd was a brilliant passing play and a thing of beauty. Loved Burmistrov’s rebound goal off his own shot.

The Real Thrash

November 7th, 2010
7:19 am

You don’t pull you goalie after he plays a team to a shoot-out.
What do you think the effect would be on that goalie? Would he ever win one?
Play better defense in regulation, play better with a lead, play better DEFENSE!

docsbro

November 7th, 2010
7:37 am

Interesting note from watching the game on TV. Daren Elliott noted a conversation he had with Coach about the teams Defense. Coach told him that they have not really put there defense in yet, because they where “worried” about where the O-fense was going to come from. He said they have been working real hard to get everybody to be more offensively aware as EVERYBODY is expected to score. Which helps explain the special teams play(specifically PP).

I thought that was a very interesting conversation. Hopefully we can get started on the D part now. Maybe C Viv or Rawhide can follow up on that….

docsbro

November 7th, 2010
7:40 am

@Red LIght…my only concern with the Pavs play behind the net was his lack of urgency to get back in the goal. I agree it was a freaky play but it seemed he really gave up on that play…. Overall he stood on his head though.

JT from Columbus

November 7th, 2010
8:20 am

Much better effort than against CBJ. If we can get consistant effort like last night every game the results will come. I thought there were times on their PP and in the third period we laid back way too much when we should have been more aggressive.

Brendan

November 7th, 2010
8:36 am

Pavelec did make a series of saves that kept the Thrashers in the shootout. It lasted way longer than I expected. Our guys just couldn’t solve Turco, in the skills competition portion of the game.

Q: Open to any poster, or blogmaster: “Do you consider replacing Niemi with Turco to be a “wash” in the Blackhawk net?”

Get The Puck Out

November 7th, 2010
8:41 am

Looks like the Thrashers have a tendency to let the opposing team dictate the third period thus putting more pressure on the goalie. They have to play the third period like they did the second. Overall better effort than against Columbus. If they had put this effort in against Columbus what would have been the outcome?

Brendan

November 7th, 2010
8:41 am

JT from Columbus, the Thrashers played last Thursday night’s game like they were sentenced to “community service” for double parking in a loading zone. That’s 3-0 loss to the CBJ’s had all the excitement of watching the grass grow. In Fall.

JT from Columbus

November 7th, 2010
8:43 am

Amen Brendan! Almost fell asleep in my chair during that game.

Joe Friday

November 7th, 2010
8:58 am

Yes, Turco in and Niemi out is a wash, in fact I have more confidence in Turco.

Pavelec is horrible in the shootout, knew the point was lost when the couldn’t close it out in OT. The way he got totally suckered and did a face plant on Toews shootout goal was just as embarrasing as his fainting spell.

LAC

November 7th, 2010
8:59 am

The Thrashers better start working on DEFENSE Monday morning.

PB

November 7th, 2010
9:06 am

Couple of notes: The goal from Pavelec’s miscue behind the net went from Toews to Kane (on a nifty foot-pass), not the other way around. And Burmistrov’s goal was a rebound of his own shot, not Eager’s. This is the benefit of watching from home on tv, but I wish I could have been there.

I have not been a fan of Pavelec’s to this point, because of his horrible inconsistency last year, and the fact that he seemed to get worse as the year went on. But other than the one costly error behind the net, he was stellar last night. Although the shot totals were close, Chicago had many more scoring chances, and they were all over the crease, both with numbers and individuals crashing the net. Pavelec stood tall and my opinion of him is starting to change. I hope he can start getting some W’s to go along with the solid performances, and I REALLY hope he can avoid the downward slide he hit after last year’s strong start. It would be nice to have Lehtonen’s (or Hedbergs) shootout skills, but tough to fault him for last night. Toews has victimized many goalies in the shootout, and Stahlbergs goal was awesome too. Thrashers shooters need to get a little higher percentage if we are going to win those.

My biggest concern is passive play, especially on the PK. When they have stepped up and challenged the puck, the penalty kill works very well. When they give the puck carrier 6-8 feet of space and try to block lanes by waving a stick back and forth, they get victimized. Last night was one where the team did an amazing job of cutting off the lanes, but this 6-foot defense problem was involved in two of the four Chicago goals in my opinion. You just can’t give good teams that much space.

Overall, I loved the way the Thrashers played against the reigning champs last night, and if they can replicate that performance with any consistency against teams that do not have Kane and Toews, I think we will have a playoff team on our hands!

BG33Brown

November 7th, 2010
9:09 am

No way Turco is as good as Niemi. Marty played pretty well last night but he hasn’t been very good this year.

Tom Lysiak

November 7th, 2010
9:27 am

Couldn’t agree more with R. Stroz. I’ve never seen 1/10th of that many Blackhawks jerseys at a game before. Hockey fans love to jump on the bandwagon or “come out” after being closet fans, I guess.

And apparently, the combination of alcohol and winning (finally) produces “fans” talking crap after winning a shoot-out. One quick example, some dunce walking by me after the game looked at my Thrashers sweatshirt and said “Oh, sorry man. Maybe next year.” Really??? After not winning the cup for almost 50 years, you win one and you morph into perennial winners????

EA

November 7th, 2010
10:03 am

We actually sat next to some very nice Chicago fans who were from Chicago. Their favorite teams are the Hawks and the Wolves. Therefore, they are fans of the Thrashers as well. I thought the Chicago fans were for the most part were o.k. It was a great high energy crowd. Tons of fun.
Pavs kept the Thrashers in the OT. He improved in the shootout, but it is his weakness. Turco is 35? Pavs is 23. He should be proud of his overall game. If the Thrashers played with that high energy, the fans will respond.

R. Stroz

November 7th, 2010
10:04 am

Tom Lysiak – I handled those types with this response, “How about those Cubs.”

Russian

November 7th, 2010
10:25 am

After Saturday game I hope Coach Ramsey made a his choose about Number One Goalie and Back Up. Mason should be our #1 Goalie. He played much better in goal, he did not nervous, he is more trust.
Pavs played very good zt 3-d period, but his position on goal has to be better.
First goal was in PP, but he moved very far from net and could not back quckly to covered empty corner.
Second goal was in PP, but it was very crazy angle. He might stopped it.
Thrird goal was one on one. It was dman mistake.
Fourth goal was Pavs mistake. If you went out of goal, played quick. He did not. Big mistake.
As I said, that 3-d period he played perfect.
This is just my opinoin, but I would like to keep Pavs as Back up Goalie.
Game was great. I really enjoyed action and show.

Red Light

November 7th, 2010
10:35 am

“No way Turco is as good as Niemi? Marty played pretty well last night but he hasn’t been very good this year.”

The Blackhawks are a shadow of what they were last year so far and played without Hossa and Bolland last night. You might want to check Turco’s career stats before making that observation. Niemi is San Jose’s No. 2 goalie in case you weren’t paying attention.

Adam

November 7th, 2010
10:46 am

I’d like to see Burmistrov in the shootout line up.

It took the death of dollar Bill for Chicago to build a winner.

Now if we could only get all of the Octocluster on a flight with a layover in Yemen… ;)

stendek

November 7th, 2010
11:15 am

CAUTION: Critical post. If easily offended please do not read.

From tone of these optimistic comments one would think Thrashers actually defeated a mediocre Chickenhawk team at Philips Arena. Cold hard facts reveal otherwise clueless ones. The Thrashers failed to hold a second period lead on home ice. The tying goal which cost Thrashers desperately needed point was slipped in while netminder was in another area code. I would not give Kari Lehtonen a pass for boneheaded unacceptable error. I damn sure will not issue one to Pavs. Goalie did make stops after tying goal. Damage had already been done. Like Falcons scoring TD with seconds to play after turnover which allowed other guys to go up by nine points. Looks nice on final tally sheet but is meaningless in reality. I take grave issue with way Craig Petrino glorified Chickenhawks after loss. If the bum idolizes the scum that much let him bolt to Illinois. Jerk. I personally hate everything about Illinois. So praise another home defeat people. Not the type of message these uncaring losers need. Sends message that close home losses are not only tolerated but commended. Oh well. Who needs hockey winner anyway? STENDEK

stendek

November 7th, 2010
11:22 am

I complained after every Thrasher point given away last season. Warned that consequences would be felt at close of regular season. Issuing same alarm now. Thrashers cannot afford to dispense points like Santa Claus. Will mean another season outside looking in. Hmm. On second thought. No better than they or fans deserve. GO FALCONS! STENDEK

Don Rickles

November 7th, 2010
11:24 am

Are stendek and Sage of Bluesland conjuined twins, with one brain (half-wits) and two rectums?

Smoothie

November 7th, 2010
11:31 am

Bill – to your point about switching goalies, I actually thought we should have gone to Mason after the 2nd period — I even tweeted as much. As good as Pavelec was against CBJ, I thought he was rather shaky throughout the evening. He seemed to be fighting the puck quite a bit and he didn’t seem to be tracking the puck as well. Then again, CHI is better at clogging up shooting lanes with traffic, but he scared the living daylights out of us many times with his inability to get back on his skates after going into the butterfly at the top of the paint and move back towards the goaline to take away angles on rebounds and caroms, which was a definite strategy for CHI last nite.

I will give Pavs credit for the big saves he made in the 3rd, but he really needs some coaching on knowing when to leave his net to play the puck. I know everyone wants to say that support was lacking on that stupid 4th goal, but he probably never should have left his net. There were times that even Turco stayed in his crease during the 3rd because he knew the Thrashers had a numbers advantage. Well, Pavs needs to read the game better and know when to come out and know when to stay. In fact, considering his puck-handling skills, he should stay in his crease 75% of the time.

glovesave29

November 7th, 2010
11:33 am

“CAUTION: Critical post. If easily offended please do not read.”

WOW – that’s certainly smacks of a bloated sense of self-importance.

Larry

November 7th, 2010
11:41 am

Agree on the massive number of sudden Blackhawks fans that seemingly came out of the woodwork and where there last night. Dang bandwaggoners. I didn’t get the opportunity last night since no Chicago fan talked smack to me, but my favorite way to shut up bandwaggoners is to ask them to name 10 players who have played for their team before the Cup team. Shuts them up every time, because the vast majority of them can’t do it. Oh this works well for Penguins fans as well (next Saturday).

Alan R.

November 7th, 2010
12:39 pm

On the behind-the-net play, he was victimized by no support and made a costly error

Costly error aside, the refs made an error too: They failed to call a penalty. One of the Blackhawks actually held Pavelec’s stick.

One could argue Pavelec shouldn’t have been back there in the first place, but there were some big penalties that didn’t get called last night.

Thrashers27

November 7th, 2010
12:43 pm

Stendek,

I’m not saying that Pavs’ fumble was acceptable, but I really despise listening to you babble on and on all the time about how bad the players suck. You are unnecessarily confrontational here. Nobody needs that. It’s a “FAN FORUM”.

The day I see you skate out onto the ice and prove how easily you can perform the duties of an NHL goalie/player is the day I will bow down and hang on your every word.

Seriously, guy, it’s one thing to have fun and be a fan. It’s quite another to be confrontational about it. I guarantee you would never speak like that to a person’s face and if you did they’d probably mop the ground with your face. (Goalie, or not.) I know I wouldn’t put up with it.

For whatever it’s worth, I’m just saying that maybe you could think about being a bit more respectful and positive. Like they always say “if you can’t say anything nice then shut your piehole.”

Love,
Thrashers27

Rawhide

November 7th, 2010
1:37 pm

Regarding the idea of swapping goalies for the shootout…I’m not advocating that Rammer should or should not have done it. I was just curious if he was thinking about it at all. Pavs is not good at all in the shootouts…much of that is because of his tendancy to flop too soon. He needs some guidance from our goalie coach…er, uh…goalie conultant in this area.

PB – Yes it was Kane’s goal from Toews on that play behind the net. And this afternoon was the first time I had a chance to see any video replay of the goals scored…and it was Burmistrov collecting his own rebound for the goal.

Nice catches…thanks. Post has been updated.

TableHockey

November 7th, 2010
1:54 pm

I dunno – if Pavs got us to the 5th round of the shoot out I can’t really blame him for the loss. Looked to me like our guys need a little more work on the shoot out. Though if Antropov had just gotten some elevation on his shot the shoot out would have ended at 3 rounds, we would have 2 points, and Pavs would have his first shoot out win.

Red Light

November 7th, 2010
2:00 pm

I’ve heard it time and time again, that goalies in shoot-out situations have to try to make the shooter commit first, to be patient or to attack with the poke check. I’m sure glovesave29 could hare some pointers on that, but Mason had a .714 save percentage in shootouts last season for the Blues, .611 the year before and .556 the year before that in Nashville. Lifetime he is 16-13 with a save percentage of .704.

Pavelec has now surrendered 10 goals in 18 attempts, or .445%, and he’s 0-6 in the shoot-out, so I can see you point Bill, but Cam Ward is 6-14 lifetime with a .587 save percentage and Kipper is 13-23 with a .570 save percentage.

My point? Like with everything else, a young goalie needs time and experience.

Rawhide

November 7th, 2010
2:08 pm

Red Light – Point taken. As I just commented, he needs to work on this aspect of his game.

TableHockey – Your point is valid too. I like the way Pavs stayed up and made a nice glove save on the second attempt…and had someone other than Ladd been successful on their attempt, then the story could be different. So I’m not “blaming” Opie for the loss.

Remember, my curiousity as to wether or not Ramsay might have been thinking of making the swap came before last night’s shootout. Pavs was 0-5 coming into it and wass chooled on both SO attempts he faced in St. Louis.

All that said…if Pavs can get some coaching here, work on his breakaway/shootout game…I’m sure he’ll get better at it.

Michael

November 7th, 2010
2:12 pm

I personally agree with much of Stendec’s rants, and find them very entertaining.. DONT CHANGE STENDEC, ever man! totally unacceptable loss last night after battling back and continuing to grab lead.. only to be disappointed by pavs lehtonen.. and craig petrino’s post game presser comments were disgusting.. please NO MORE PAVELOSS!!

Willie B

November 7th, 2010
2:14 pm

Default BlackHawks’ fan here who actually starting pulling for the Flyers in the cup last year because all the bandwagon jumpers in Chicago were making me sick. They acted the same way in ‘92 too. It’s the same reason that red shirt stayed in the closet last night. But in the end It was nice to go to a Thrashers’ game with a lot fans in the stands for a change no matter what sweater they had on.

Willie B

November 7th, 2010
2:18 pm

Forgot! The shootout is stupid and I wish they would trash it. It’s just as bad as the the way the NFL does OT.

HookyBob

November 7th, 2010
2:29 pm

Last night’s game was the most exciting, attention-keeping game of the season in my mind. My kind of hockey. More of these and the fans will be back,….even if we lose.

Bringing in a “relief goalie” crossed my mind. Back when Hartley did it,…I can remember thinking Moose had “gotten them this far in the game,..and pulling him at this point wasn’t exactly a vote of confidence.” None-the-less,..what gives us the best chance to win. I expect Mason also knows the B-Hawks (and vice versa) from having played in their division the last few years.

It is a given that Pavs needs some “consultant input” on shootouts (not to mention going behind the net). Love his potential,..hope he realizes it.

sisu

November 7th, 2010
2:56 pm

I am tired of the Kari bashing, it’s in the past and perhaps you should check and see how he has done this year on a weak Dallas team? Either way, the one issue that will haunt this team will be the lack of goalie coach, they moved up this year with a consultant? Really? What the heck is that???

As to Pavs, the game should have been won 4 – 2, the last two goals he should have stopped…a point is a point and I will take it considering the last 2 out of 3 games prior to this one were horrible.

HookyBob

November 7th, 2010
3:00 pm

Brave new world,…gone are the days of Kari in net and Slava shooting first when a Thrasher’s game goes past OT.

Despite never having won a shootout Pavs got us to the 5th round last night before it was decided. Seems to me the OTL shouldn’t be hung on Pavs,…but who then?

Who are our best shooters? The coach’s choices last night were Antro, Ladd, Pevs, Kane, & Buf. That group had a 20% success rate.

To paraphrase one of our more insightful bloggers (aka Brendan) recent posts…”Ramsay’s choice was the complete “opposite” of what I advocated. Then again, I have zero professional coaching victories to my name. And Ramsay has quite a few now.” I’m in full agreement (not to mention the other insights a coach has the benefit of). So I ask for what reason might Bergors and Burmi not have been given a chance in the shootout?

A follow-up question,…When, in the shootout, is it not a good idea to elevate the puck? Mark Twain once said “It is better to remain silent and let people believe you are a fool,… than to speak (in this case blog) and remove all doubt.

LAC

November 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

Respectful & positive…thrasher27 ?????????

I remember your NASTY comments following my accident, you are nothing on this blog except a pantywaste, So go whine somewhere else, you worthless goof !!!!

Stendek, is right 99% of the time, you might be 1% in a lifetime you JERK !

Midfield

November 7th, 2010
3:10 pm

I don’t think Atlanta’s PK was any worse than it usually is. Chicago is not the team you want to go on the PK against. Their PP lines skate and control puck way to well for comfort.

Brendan

November 7th, 2010
4:32 pm

Martin Brodeur is undoubtedly headed for the Hockey Hall of Fame. And yet, if you look at his playoff overtime record, it is very underwhelming. Would the Devils coach, knowing how horrible that record really is, go to the backup, in overtime, in the playoffs? Well, I don’t think so.

I am not an advocate of treating the OT or the Shootout like it’s a relief pitcher in baseball. It’s one thing, if your goalie is injured. It’s quite another if you have no confidence in him. I don’t want to call Pavelec “fragile.” But, if the coach had gone to Mason for the shootout, I think it would have effected him, moving forward. Like Red Light said, young goalies need experience. And it’s the right thing to do, to give the goalie who got you through 65 minutes, the chance to win the game. (Psst? Even though you know Mason might be better in that situation, in terms of delivering a win? Unfortunately, yes. You still give Pavelec his shot. Ask me, again, if it’s Game 82, with a playoff berth on the line. I might give you a different answer.)

Thrashers27

November 7th, 2010
4:42 pm

Your accident? What are you talking about, LAC? Accident?

I’m not going to engage you on the freakin’ internet. You wouldn’t talk to anyone like that in person and to do it on the internet is cowardly, so zip ur piehole.

stendek

November 7th, 2010
5:02 pm

Hey Thrashers! Falcons defended their home. Barely. But defend it they did! How about you losers doing so every once in a damn while? Might encourage fans to attend. Might not! STENDEK

stendek

November 7th, 2010
5:23 pm

Forgive my rudeness Thrashers27 for not responding to your attack until now. Just got online after watching Falcons defend their turf. Too bad YOUR Thrashers have no comprehension of what that means. Oh well. So you want me to keep quiet unless I kiss Thrasher a$$. Not gonna happen. I have followed professional sports in Georgia since 1960s. Seen plenty of bad mixed with very little good. I worked as sports reporter for four plus decades. Have several rules I follow then and now. Never criticize high school athletes. These young boys are young boys doing their best to represent school. Bad or good. Save most college criticism for coaches. Although I have called out college players on occasion. Especially Bulldogs. Professional athletes are fair game. These men are paid outlandish sums of money not to show up, not to compete but to WIN! Sorry that simple concept is beyond someone like you. Would say more but deriding mentally challenged is something I would never do. Thanks for kind words LAC. Like your posts too. Sincerely. STENDEK

stendek

November 7th, 2010
5:31 pm

…to do it on the internet is cowardly…Really Thrasher27? After that love letter you sent me ON INTERNET! What a hypocrite. Maybe it is you who should keep your pie hole shut! Ignore the jerk LAC. I would express my feeling to Kari, Marian and Illya in person then let chips fall where they may. STENDEK

Thrashers27

November 7th, 2010
5:48 pm

Stendek, again, I’m not saying you don’t have a right to express your opinion. It’s the name calling and such. Why is that needed? Okay, so you were a sports reporter. I’m a journalist myself. I don’t really see what that has to do with anything, but okay. Again, I agreed with you that that loss is primarily on Pavs’ shoulders because of the mishandled puck. Not disagreeing with you there, but I just plain don’t think it’s necessary, or mature to call the guy names because of his poor play. Call him out, sure. Call him a worthless piece of “shet” as you put it is just not called for.

I would love to rant and rave and call you and LAC out for calling me names, but I have several rules that I follow as well. One of which is that I don’t get into a name calling competition on the internet. It’s just dumb. As ridiculous as your name calling and insults can be I am not going to sit here and call you names, etc in retaliation, because you’re probably the kind of person who will mouth off all day long when on the internet, but if you found yourself face to face with me you’d be polite and might even be a decent guy in person.

With that in mind, if you, or LAC were ever to attend a Thrashers home game and come across me, I’d invite you to introduce yourself. I’m easy to spot. Large man, shaved head, goatee wearing #…you guessed it 27. Come say “hi” and talk “shet” to me in person.

Thrashers27

November 7th, 2010
5:50 pm

Stendek, did I call you names on the internet? No, I did not. That is what is cowardly.

Thrashers27

November 7th, 2010
5:57 pm

My point is that you would never call Pavs, or Kari, or anyone those names to their face, so why would you do it on the internet. That’s what makes it cowardly. Tell you what, next time you plan on calling Pavs, or Buff, or Kari names to their face let me know and I’ll come along. I’d like to see it and I’ll never call you a coward again. I may even respect you if you were to do that, but calling people names on the internet is not respectable….and I’m done with you.

stendek

November 7th, 2010
5:58 pm

Thrashers27. Your tone was insulting and your perchant toward censorship was offensive. Expect response when you call someone out. LAC is just as entitled to his opinion as you, Bill and I are to ours. STENDEK

glovesave29

November 7th, 2010
6:13 pm

Well then here is a chance Stendec…post under you real name and put in your email address. If you truly believe that you would say your comments to the players faces, here is a chance to move towards that.

Thrashers27

November 7th, 2010
6:27 pm

Bill,

I apologize for allowing myself to disrupt your blog. (Boring workday for me.) Brilliant as always. Keep up the good work!

Go Thrashers!

Nikita (in PA)

November 8th, 2010
9:04 am

Er, hey. I prefer we win, but honestly was pretty thrilled that we got the point.

Honestly, I was more disappointed that we lost to CBJ. They’re not the same caliber, and yet we have a hell of a time competing with them. What’s our weakness that allows them to beat us like a rented mule every damn time we play?

Odd Man Rush

November 8th, 2010
9:09 am

Stendek is an institution. You can rest assured that he will always be critical until perfection is achieved. Although Stendek would consider me a Kool Aide drinker, I still enjoy reading his point of view and find his predictable opinions entertaining. He has become a caricature.

“Sorry for gettin’ into a fight at your Black Panther party.” — F. Gump

Dwayne

November 8th, 2010
9:09 am

garon, nittymaki, and who else, all went to the same “Goaltending 101: How to beat the Thrashers” class. Find out who that instructer is and hire him.

Smoothie

November 8th, 2010
9:50 am

Okay, this blog topic has died a quiet death. Moving on?

How many would be open to trading for some RW scoring depth if that RW was named Michael Ryder (from Boston)?

Savard and Sturm are close to returning and Chiarelli will need to make a move and considering Ramsay’s ties to Boston, perhaps we might be a player in a deal that moves salary our way. Then again, we’re talkin’ ’bout the ASG. $4M is a hefty price to pay for Ryder. I could see us making a deadline deal for him if we’re still in the hunt.

Flames

November 8th, 2010
10:06 am

Saturday nights game at the Bulb was electric! The crowd was into the game and you could feel the excitement. I took my entire family to the game and we had a blast. I agree with a lot of the post on this blog, but there is some people that will never be happy. This team has a winning record and isn’t in the cellar. I was at the CBJ game and I wasn’t happy about how they played. I still think this team is exciting to watch. I just wish we would be a more physical team. I hope to see you all Thursday at the Bulb @ Minnesota…

Red Light

November 8th, 2010
10:31 am

Dwayne…the tops of Eastern Conference teams against the Thrashers!

Pittsburgh goalies Fleury and Johnson are 17-7-0-2 lifetime against Atlanta
Washington goalies Neuvirth and Varlymov are 8-1-0-0 lifetime against Atlanta
Boston goalies Thomas and Rask are 8-3-0-1 lifetime against Atlanta
Cam Ward is 15-8-0-2 lifetime against Atlanta

Smoothie…
• Ryder is a power-play scorer. In fact, 132 of his 302 lifetime points have been scored on the power play.
• He is a consistent scorer month-to-month during his career
• My concern: what’s his upside? He is what he is and his production has fallen off in two of his last three years, not including this year.
• Decent player, but maybe not at $4 million, and he’s a rental player at best because he is unrestricted after this year.

Flames
6-8 is not a winning record!

Spud Webb

November 8th, 2010
10:41 am

I have to wonder if Savard is going to be the same in Boston or he’ll be Tim Connelly (RL, you like that!!)???
I’m glad to get a point out of the game saturday night, great game from entertainment views.
As far as shootouts, in my small mind it’s like flipping a coin, take the good with the bad, no matter the goalie. Pavs played a great game. Goaltending isn’t our issue this season…we have others!!!

Red Light

November 8th, 2010
10:43 am

In fact, only five teams in the Eastern Conference and seven teams in the Western Conference have a “winning” record at this point in the season! And, 23 of 30 teams have benefited from what Rawhide calls “the loser’s point.”

Smoothie

November 8th, 2010
10:44 am

R/L – yeah, I wasn’t thinking of him as a LT solution. We’re not going to get that type of asset during the season. But if RW depth is a problem, then when do you make a move like Ryder, if at all? Deadline probably considering the cheap-a$$ ownership group. I like the fact that he is consistent month-to-month, but don’t know if he is as physical as I would like to see. Then again, Modin, Bergy, Pevs & Antro are never going to be confused with the word “physical”.

Dwayne

November 8th, 2010
11:15 am

I just dont understand, I thought this team would have problems scoring, like most everyone else on these blogs. I thought we had some defensive forwards in the right spot. What happened?Does it take longer to teach defense in hockey more so than other sports?

Red Light

November 8th, 2010
11:18 am

Well, they could use another shooter and he’s a big body, and Boston is going to have to create some cap space. Krejci is going to miss the next week, so they get a little more time to make a decision.

Smitty

November 8th, 2010
11:21 am

I believe if there were any accidents, they occurred nine months before some of you were born.

Sage of Bluesland

November 8th, 2010
11:27 am

Flames definitely works for the organization…I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s that bumbling little fraud of a GM (now “President”) we’ve had since our inception…

I’m actually surprised it was even a game, so kudos to the team for rallying around the old guy on the bench….All things considered, not a typical shameful embarrasment…

Smoothie

November 8th, 2010
11:29 am

Smitty – how’d you know? I was a “happy accident”…thanks! What were you? I know you’re certainly a wet blanket so remind never to hang out with you if I expect to have any fun!

Dwayne – Rammer said to Eliot the other day that they’ve spend the majority of their time on ingraining into their pysche that all 4 lines are expected to score and therefore improving puck movement and forechecking has been a primary focus. However, I’m not sure why they haven’t been able to shore up the defense when a good offense is contingent upon a good defense, at least int terms of getting the puck out of your zone efficiently and transitioning through the NZ. I just don’t think certain guys are totally comfortable with the system yet but we saw shades of what they can be on Saturday nite when they play with an aggressive mindset.

Smoothie

November 8th, 2010
11:33 am

Actually, I DO know why their defense isn’t better. It’s because we play like wusses too often around our own net. Or someone like Bogey has his thumb up his you know what when he should be cracking his stick across a forward’s back. If nothing else, the D-man must be mindful of the forward near the goal and either lift the stick or tie up the man if the puck isn’t within their reach. Reaction time and awareness must be better. Whether that can be instilled in Bogosian, Oduya and Big Buff remains to be seen.

R. Stroz

November 8th, 2010
11:52 am

And all this time I thought the Thrashers were using the Chinese Fire Drill defense.

Silly me.

Mikey

November 8th, 2010
12:15 pm

All in all I was pleased by the effort Saturday night. Good point to gain from the defending champs. We’ve taken 4 of a possible 6 points from the likes of Washinton and Chicago in the early stages of the year. I would guess that anyone here would have seen that as a good thing when the season began last month.

Speaking of Washington, after next Friday we will only see them 2 more times the rest of the way. December 4th and the January 26. That will help down the stretch as we (cross fingers) make a playoff run.

World Be Free

November 8th, 2010
12:53 pm

Looks like I missed some fireworks this weekend, both on and off the ice. Back in the ATL and listening to plenty of teams looking to make deals that have no cap room, none. Then you have Calgary, who has 11 players with no movement clauses. Thrashers are in a great postion, so to speak, when it comes to maybe making a move to get a player from a team depserate to bump a salary. Then again, I said that in early October.

Nathan Oysterhead made a nice play to influence St. Louis’ winning aol last night in MSG. Haven’t heard Stroz say “Buffalo sucks” at all today, but the day is young.

Dwayne

November 8th, 2010
1:01 pm

No R. Stroz, it’s the whack-a-mole defense

Flames

November 8th, 2010
1:52 pm

Red Light: Your right, I didn’t count the overtime losses….S.O.B: I’m not DW! I’m just a simple man who loves the Thrashers…

Red Light

November 8th, 2010
1:59 pm

World Be Free, the voice of reason, has returned!

Consider that a team averaging just 2.5 goals per game is 9-1-2 through its first 12 games, has four shutouts and in three other games in which they allowed just one goal.

Oh, and while the Thrashers have allowed 35 goals in 14 games in 5-on-5 and 4-on-4 situations, the Blues have allowed just 10 in 12 games! That is a sizable disparity, eh?

And because of injuries, they have used 10 different defensemen in those 12 games…
Alex Pietrangelo, Carlo Colaiacovo, Erik Johnson, Barret Jackman, Nathan Oystrick, Roman Polak, Nikita Nikitin, Eric Brewer, Ian Cole and Tyson Strachan.

Half of the dozen were former No. 1 draft picks and four of the six picked by the Blues themselves. They also have five former first rounders up front, and four of those were drafted by the Blues.

The strange thing is that Halak was a 9th round pick in 2003 by Montreal and Conklin wasn’t drafted at all.

R. Stroz

November 8th, 2010
2:01 pm

Buffalo Sucks!

Chicago Sucks!

and, in preparation for this Saturday

Pittsburgh, REALLY SUCKS!

Thrashers27

November 8th, 2010
2:06 pm

Wow! If what you say about the Blues’ defensive effort is true, RL, then the Thrashers need to employ whatever defensive scheme the Blue use.

How is it that no matter who the coaches are, no matter who the players are, the Thrashers D is awful? The only constant on the blueline over the last four years has been Toby, Hainsey and Bogosian. None of the other d-men have played here for more than a year. I had hopes with that Ramsay would shore up that problem, but nope. It’s actually gotten worse. Thankfully, our offensive output is better than expected.

Smoothie

November 8th, 2010
2:17 pm

“Oh, and while the Thrashers have allowed 35 goals in 14 games in 5-on-5 and 4-on-4 situations, the Blues have allowed just 10 in 12 games! That is a sizable disparity, eh?”

And we also scored 3 goals on them in their house and let them win a game that we dominated for two periods. If this (ATL) team can learn how to play a more complete 60 mins or finish off a game when leading, then they might actually have a chance to do some damage and make the playoffs.

Spud Webb

November 8th, 2010
2:18 pm

Thrashers can’t draft like the blues did/do!!!
Conklin, good grief, him having a shutout, 27 saves, is SICK.

sisu

November 8th, 2010
2:18 pm

Joe Friday

November 8th, 2010
2:30 pm

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=20868&id=143648252332905#!/photo.php?fbid=144332592264471&set=a.144332458931151.20868.143648252332905

If that’s not a 2 minute minor, I don’t know what is . . .amiritefellas?

Joe Friday

November 8th, 2010
2:32 pm

that would be top row, 2nd from the left, since that linky was too long

Red Light

November 8th, 2010
2:37 pm

КХЛ’s Photos – Болельщицы Photo 37 of 43!

litz

November 8th, 2010
2:40 pm

“Stendek is an institution. You can rest assured that he will always be critical until perfection is achieved.”

To be blunt : the Cup could be in a convertible on its way down Peachtree St and Stendek would still be bitching.

alex

November 8th, 2010
3:20 pm

STENDEK, i am not going to convince you because so naive like a kid, also stubborn beyond imagination, but just don’t dare to compare falcons and thrashers. falcons one off elite team in with one of the biggest payroll, thrashers got worsts ownership with second from the bottom payroll. do you know what you talking about. they don’t have talent to play like NHL team because 1/3 of there roster not NHL class cheap players.. go get your drugs and call mr levinson and demand sale the team, than with the real owners we can talk about how to defend home field advantage.

Alan R.

November 8th, 2010
3:39 pm

If that’s not a 2 minute minor, I don’t know what is

I’m thinking a double minor here… ;)

World Be Free

November 8th, 2010
3:43 pm

A few thoughts-
Red Light, back from my trip to Tunica sitting at Toby Keith’s – had a ball watching Bama fans on one side of the bar and LSU fans on the other. All the breakables were removed from the bar just in case.
Blues are impressive, they play as a team, well drafted and well coached. St. Louis deserves a Stanley Cup more than ANY other team. I hope they get one, I am cheering for them.

Stroz-are you from Philly?

Stendec-good to have you back cuz Sgae is pretty boring all by himself. Gotta have 2 of you on this blog for purer entertainment.

Hoof Arted

November 8th, 2010
3:43 pm

Look you all, you are going to have to learn to just ignore these morons stendek and S.O.B. They are just a couple of fools who need some sort of attention in their pathetic lives. By responding to their mindless, nonsensical, idiotic, childish rants you give them exactly what they seek.

Do like I do. Ignore them. Just skip over their meaningless posts and only read those that are written by the others who have some sort of idea what they are talking about when it comes to hockey.

R. Stroz

November 8th, 2010
4:15 pm

Philly Sucks

R. Stroz

November 8th, 2010
4:29 pm

WBF – I’m a rare Atlanta native. That stated, due to my outspoken nature, I have several friends from north of the Mason-Dixon line that think I’m part yankee.

Rawhide

November 8th, 2010
4:32 pm

The Thrashers are 14 games into the 2011-11 NHL campaign. Let’s take this time in betwen games to review where they stand…statistically speaking.

R. Stroz

November 9th, 2010
10:38 am

Bill Tiller (Rawhide)

November 12th, 2010
11:20 am

R. Stroz – Nope.