Thrashers now 0-3 in preseason after loss to Nashville

The preseason is half over now and the Atlanta Thrashers have an 0-3 record to show for it. Their latest exhibition season setback came Monday night in Nashville as they fell 2-1 to the Predators. The good news, of course, is that after this week none of it matters at all. Preseason and all that, ya know.

Here’s a quick recap of the game as I heard it via the Predators radio station web feed. (That is, when it wasn’t going blank as it did all throughout the game).

Andrew Ladd makes his way around Patric Hornqvist during the 2-1 loss in Nashville Monday night (AP Photo/Frederick Breedon)

Andrew Ladd makes his way around Patric Hornqvist during the 2-1 loss in Nashville Monday night (AP Photo/Frederick Breedon)

Nashville took an early 1-0 lead when Sergei Kostitsyn tipped a Shea Weber pass through the wickets of Ondrej Pavelec. The goal came on the Predator’s second shot at the 3:06 mark of the first period.

Nashville outshot the Thrashers 8-6 in the opening 20 minutes.

It sounded as though Atlanta began to take control somewhat in the second as much more of the play was in the Nashville defensive zone. Then with 4:30 remaining before the second intermission, Ben Eager took a feed from Chris Thorburn in the slot and one-timed it past Pekka Rinne to tie the score. Linemate Anthony Stewart was credited with the secondary assists.

The Thrashers took 10 of the 18 SOG taken in the middle frame.

Atlanta killed off the only Nashville penalty that was called in the second, giving up not even a shot after Thorburn was nabbed with a hooking call at 8:26

Unfortunately, the third period was pretty much all Preds as they outshot Atlanta 15-6. Shea Weber scored a power play goal to put Nashville up 2-1 while Zach Bogosian sat in the sin-bin for holding the stick. Matthew Lombardi and Ryan Suter got assists on the goal.

Later in the period Alex Burmistrov was whistled for a slashing penalty, but the Thrashers were able to kill that one off. Atlanta went 2 for 3 killing off penalties and had no power plays of their own

In the closing seconds, Dustin Byfuglien leveled Nashville forward Jarred Smithson with a heavy hit. Smithson left the ice and headed directly to the locker room.

Eager and Rich Peverley led the Thrashers with 4 shots each while Nik Bergfors and Nigel Dawes both had 3. Pavelec had a better night than in the Thrashers loss last Tuesday, stopping 29 of the 31 shots he faced.

Are you concerned about the Thrashers offense?

  • Yes! 3 goals in 3 games is un-good (52%, 79 Votes)
  • No! The goals will come (14%, 21 Votes)
  • Feh...it's only preseason, dude (34%, 53 Votes)

Total Voters: 153

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The two teams will play again Wednesday night at Philips.

Atlanta’s defense is now allowing an average of 28.6 SA/G during preseason so far, a trend that will hopefully continue once these games start counting for real. However, after the 22 S/G performance in Nashville, the offense is averaging 26.3 shots.

In closing, I’ll ask if you are at all concerned that the Thrashers have only 3 goals after three preseason games. Nik Antropov and Jim Slater are yet to play, mind you. Also, given that it’s preseason, the lines haven’t been consistent one game to the next.

Me…eh, if it keeps up much after the real campaign starts I might get worried. But truth be told I think this team is going to have to work their way through games much like what we’ve seen these past two matches where goals are at a premium…at least in the short term until the offense gels and finds it way. Good thing the offense is looking fairly decent thus far.

That…and it’s still only preseason.

148 comments Add your comment

R. Stroz

September 27th, 2010
11:05 pm

THREE games, THREE goals scored. Anyone else notice a scoring problem yet?

This team lacks a finisher.

Mikey

September 27th, 2010
11:08 pm

Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin :roll:

telfo

September 27th, 2010
11:13 pm

worrying about it right now is silly. we are playing with half of the top 6 sitting out each game and several guys that wont be on the team. not worried at all.

Derrick

September 27th, 2010
11:17 pm

I know we’ll score more than a goal a game which is what we’re averaging now but I seriously doubt we’ll be an offensive juggernaut by any stretch of the imagination this year. But hopefully with improved goaltending from Chris Mason and defensive play in general we’ll be able to get a lot of 2 to 1 or 3 to 2 wins this year.

Derrick

September 27th, 2010
11:20 pm

Oh and if Dudley could somehow manage to make a move for a 20 plus goal scorer from a team in salary cap trouble, I wouldn’t be opposed to it!

kracker

September 27th, 2010
11:28 pm

Rawhide you are getting really good at Ranallo-ing me! So allow me to re-post because I’d like to hear what you and some others think about this. I was replying to a Brendan comment about Wade Redden’s Whale of a contract…

Redden, omg!! Isn’t it four more years?? To bury the guy in the minors? I guess that’s easy money for Wade, but gee, doesn’t anyone else think this is as bad a cap violation, in principle, as the Kovalchuk contract? Or maybe far worse? I mean, come on, the Rangers demote Redden to the Whales and lop $6.5 million off their salary cap – for the next 4 years!! And yet, so many people were really agitated about Lou Lam saving a couple mil off the NJ cap on the Kovy Kontract! Unbelieveable, in comparison.

Rawhide

September 27th, 2010
11:30 pm

Rawhide you are getting really good at Ranallo-ing me!

kracker – hehehehehehehehheheheh…. :cool:

kracker

September 27th, 2010
11:33 pm

I meant to add that Redden won’t be playing the last four years of his contract for the Rangers just like Kovy will never play the last years of his for the Devils. I am not seeing a difference there.

sisu

September 28th, 2010
12:07 am

The Redden deal stinks all the way around…see this for more, it is not the only contract that stands out.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/35289-Campbells-Cuts-Wade-Reddenstyle-demotion-sure-to-be-CBA-sticking-point.html

As to the scoring, not too worried but Pavs still loses the game, hope he is the clear #2 at the start of season.

Derrick

September 28th, 2010
12:09 am

I agree 100% about Redden. That’s just another way to get around the salary cap and if the NHL really wants to stop teams from circumventing the salary cap then they definitely have to do something about this. If a guy is signed to a contract then he should count against the salary cap, no matter if you send him down to the minors or not. If the NHL doesn’t step in right away and do something then i fear that this will just be the first of many teams you’ll see doing this.

Cornbread

September 28th, 2010
1:47 am

The Thrashers had 5 fourth liners dressed tonight, Eager, Thorburn, Stewart, Rissmiller, and Boulton. They also had two D-men who will play in the AHL this year and played the back-up goalie on the road. This was a worst case scenario and they hung in there. As my former colleague Tom Callahan said over the intermittent internet feed, “Nashville is playing more of an NHL roster than Atlanta”. And, “Atlanta dominated the second and start of the third”.

What’s worse, Atlanta saw no PP time in a pre-season game! Give me a break! There is always a ton of PP time in the pre-season!

Besides the Thorburn line, It sounded like the only line clicking was Kane, Peverly, Bergfors. Bergfors got fewer calls as did Ladd, Burmistrov, and Dawes. Everyone else, far less. I don’t recall hearing Petterson’s name mentioned, who was listed as “Deveaux” on the score sheet. On D, Bogo and Kulda got mentioned the most followed by Buff.

Worried? Not even close. I’m quite pleased from what I’ve heard from the opposing teams’ announcers over the past two games. They sound solid as a whole. After 10 games and they’ve scored less than 20 and are below .500; then yes, I’ll be concerned.

Barry

September 28th, 2010
2:23 am

I am a bit concerned. 3 goals in 3 games is definately ungood. I know that first game was mostly rookies and draft picks, but these last two games with the regulars playing and only able to score ONE GOAL by Eager! Are you kidding me? Nothing against Eager but I would have expected guys like Peverley, Kane, Bergfors to do a little more honestly. I’m glad these last two games with the regulars we are giving up less goals but when you score 1 goal a game it’s hard for a goalie to pitch a shutout everytime out. I’ve been saying it all summer and still continue to say it…Byfgulien should be playing forward and should have never thought about trying to force him to play D. We have enough young capable D to play in his place like Kulda and Zubarev.

World Be Free

September 28th, 2010
6:10 am

Time to get the projected lineup on the ice and see what they can do for 60 minutes. If a team wants to get out of the gate fast, they need their regulars out there for the last 3 games of the preseason. Time to set aside experiments and act like the season is starting today.

Worried about goals? Yes, but if the team defense stiffens that will offset some of the need for goals. Some teams have to shed salary too, so maybe this is time for a player that can help us now?

The Real Thrash

September 28th, 2010
6:51 am

So if we go 0-6 will that just be preseason too?
How about a little bit of reality Ice Man.

kracker

September 28th, 2010
7:26 am

A team that went 0-3 in preseason last year? The Chicago Blackhawks. They finished 1-3 vs Caps and Wild in their first four games and then went 1-1 vs two Swedish teams. I wonder if the ‘Hawks fans were doing all this nervous hand-wringing a year ago?

So….the Thrash can get a couple of meaningless pre-season wins and equal last years pre-season Stanley Cup winners.

Budder

September 28th, 2010
7:31 am

@WBF: Some teams have to shed salary too, so maybe this is time for a player that can help us now?

Time for the “pencil him in for 20″ pickup? I, too, hope we see something soon. Let’s Go, Thrashers!

Rhythmpenguin

September 28th, 2010
7:40 am

Anyone else notice that Buff has sent 2 guys off the ice…?

Rhythmpenguin

September 28th, 2010
7:44 am

*so far (Carolina and Nashville)

kracker

September 28th, 2010
7:53 am

One was an incidental trip and the other was a hard check, although I missed most of whatever the Nashville guys had to say about it. I did hear their ending conclusion that it wasn’t dirty, just a hard check from a really big guy. Excellent! This is why we want Buff on D, to rattle teeth and to have guys constantly checking on where he is.

Zoomo

September 28th, 2010
7:54 am

I’ve noticed! We’re gonna be a pain to play against, no doubt.

I just have a very queasy feeling about goal production from the team. Pre-season stats don’t matter to me, so it’s not these games that concern me. To me, the final roster will be a solid, gritty team, but the lack of playmakers and finishers concerns me.

Too many ifs.. if Little returns to 08-09 form, if Kane avoids a Sophmore slump, if Pevs cathes fire, if Bergfors really contibutes, we are going to have a hard time basketing the biscuit.

Flagstaff

September 28th, 2010
7:55 am

It is a bit early to push the panic button, but I still think that we need yet another player who can score. Satan looked great in the playoffs last year, and he’s still available.

hip czech

September 28th, 2010
8:09 am

Totally agree with the Redden comments…throw Huet’s contract in the discussion as well.

It’s a total farce that teams can get rid of bad contracts by waiving a player or assigning them to a team in Europe. Redden will never again play in the NHL just because Glen Sather is an idiot.

Not worried about the preseason results…if anything I see a lot more positives than negatives. The team is learning the defensive system first (and if the last 2 games are an indication so far so good).

Didn’t Boston finish last in the conference in goals scored last year and yet wound up in the playoffs?

Tolduso

September 28th, 2010
8:21 am

Same as it ever was (?) but thank the lord Kovalchuk is not out there skating around, doin nothing but wanting to score goals.

Red Light

September 28th, 2010
8:25 am

Huet’s contract with Chicago is no different than Redden’s with New York. The loophole has been established and both players didn’t play up to very lofty expectations. Sure, it’s circumvention, but it’s really no different than what occurs when a injured player is unable to play, ie DiPietro, That salary doesn’t count either when he’s inactive, because of the long-term injury clause. They still have to pay him (via insurance) but the cap swells by an equal amount to the injured player.

All of the players we’ve mentioned as possible acquisitions, while they may help short term, what’s the real upside with bringing in a guy like Satan? Not much. Is he going to push this team over the top? Nah. That’s why I like giving the younger guys a shot (Pettersson) and didn’t like the Modin signing.

Pavs = Patience. Few 22 or 23-year old goalies are consistent. He’s going to be fine, just needs some confidence and some wins. Right glovesave29?

Rhythmpenguin

September 28th, 2010
8:31 am

I wasn’t dissing Buff. Just an observation. If anything it’s a good thing (brutally good =)

Brendan

September 28th, 2010
8:32 am

I’ll reply to Kracker here, too, like from the previous blog. I definitely agree with you, Kracker. This is “salary cap circumvention” if I’ve ever seen it. In my view of things, if a GM signs a player to a contract, it counts against his cap, unless the player’s got a two-way deal. Which I don’t think Redden has. So, I think the correct thing to do is either buy him out … or suffer the consequences on the roster. Is the salary cap not ALL ABOUT DECISION-MAKING?!! Sather had a chance to re-sign Redden after his 1st $6.5 million contract was up. Sather elected to RENEW him, at the SAME price. When, clearly, the price tag, for performance delivered, needed to decrease, by at least $2 million per season. I haven’t checked out the linked article above yet, but I will, and it seems, from the title, that one fine day … the Chicago Blackhawks will stash Brian Campbell in the minors. They already “loaned” Cristobal Huet out to some Swiss or Swedish league. I can’t remember which one at this precise moment. Since the salary cap is all about decision-making, there has to be accountability for it. Otherwise, it’s just a consequence-free environment for GM’s to make contracts as stupid as they’d like, or until the NHL steps in the “nix” them, like with Kovalchuk’s contract FRAUD.

The NHL had a real opportunity to reel in this “dollar cost averaging” non-sense with the Kovalchuk deal. They didn’t. I think setting a limit of “age 40″ is atrocious as a solution to salary cap circumvention. Wait ’til John Tavares gets his next deal. Think Charles Wang, architect of Rick DiPietro’s 15-year deal that pays him until he’s 40, wouldn’t step up similarly to attempt to lock up Tavares until he’s 40, with some 18-year deal? It’s perfectly legal. He’ll get to “dollar cost average” his way into some $6 million cap hit, while front-loading him $14 million-a-year in the beginning. The solution, as Red Light says, is to make whatever the player’s salary is … the actual cap hit. That stops this non-sense, dead in its tracks. After that, it’s no more “loaning” and “stashing” players, if it turns out the GM made a bad contract. In theory, I suppose, some other NHL team, probably a bottom feeder with plenty of cap room, needs Wade Redden. In theory, such a disadvantaged market ought to acquire him, to make their team better than it was. And the return might only be “future considerations,” as a straight up salary dump. But the practical reality is … that a disadvantaged market doesn’t have the money to blow on a Wade Redden, especially with years left on that deal. Even with revenue-sharing. I know someone will come forward to say, “But Brendan, if the player’s contract turns out to be a huge mistake, isn’t it just better to pay the guy off the books and be done with it? C’mon.” Yeah, well … then you’re encouraging more of this fiscal irresponsibility. If your market is wealthy, you’ll be paying LOTS of guys not to play in New York. How is that fair to Columbus? Or Phoenix? Or Carolina? Or Buffalo? Or Edmonton? Or Atlanta? We’re not about to pay a player $6 million to player in the minors, or someplace in Europe. Sather made a bad contract. We knew it, then. We know it, now. There should be “consequences” for that.

NHL Ready

September 28th, 2010
8:38 am

Red light your crazy on Pav’s. He is not NHL Ready he had his chance and showed he cannot play here. Patience for a Team who never had a solid Goalie until now I do not think so. It took them a while to find out Kari need to go. It is time for Pav’s to go. Thrashers made a huge mistake not signing the Moose. A Manson and Moose tandem would have be awesome.

Adam

September 28th, 2010
9:22 am

Brendan – If your market is wealthy, you’ll be paying LOTS of guys not to play in New York.

The way I see it this has worse than “salary cap circumvention” as it is not just paying a player not to play in New York. It’s paying a player not to play in the NHL, which in effect will water down the competition.

World Be Free

September 28th, 2010
9:30 am

Budder-we need one that’s for sure! I am sure Dudley is watching what is and what is not happening especially on the powerless-play.

Rhythm on Buff-yeah I noticed, bet the rest of the league noticed too! Wonder if anyone is still questioning Buff’s move back to D? I just what would happen if the guy got mad?

Pavs is done-Greiss would be an upgrade. My 14-year old half blind and totally deaf dog our be an upgrade. Sorry guys, I am just over Pavs.

lemon drop the gloves

September 28th, 2010
9:31 am

artie played another solid game paired with his old junior mate bogo. Over 17 minutes and a plus 1. i’m in kulda’s corner for sure. he’s plus 3 in his two games (both losses) having logged good minutes. he deserves to be on opening day roster.

DWTOO

September 28th, 2010
9:43 am

After last week’s performance I was ready to throw Pavs under the bus, but, having a week to reflect perhaps it is too early to cut bait with the boy. He’s frustrating, but, as the wise and true sage of the blog (Redlight) as opined goalies do take longer. The good thing is we have Mason to mentor Pavs along with Malarchuk (sp?). We could give it another year to see how it plays out.

Glad to hear Dudley isn’t looking at the waiver wires. We don’t need anyone else’s cast offs. Think we need to concentrate on relieving a salary cap challenged team of a twenty goal scorer.

kracker

September 28th, 2010
9:44 am

WBF – So the Thrashers arena announcer should change it and say “The Thrashers – on the Powerless Play!” He won’t say that but us fans surely will, if the PP stays woefully anemic.

Zombie Steve

September 28th, 2010
9:51 am

A Mason-Moose tandum does sound quite robust…

Spud Webb

September 28th, 2010
9:52 am

The real thrash “So if we go 0-6 will that just be preseason too?
How about a little bit of reality Ice Man”

Yes, if we go 0-6 that is preseason and means NOTHING come 10-8 vs the caps, lol. New coach, new players, new system, Ramsey (call me crazy here) I’m SURE has an idea of what he’s doing. That is the reality of the situation.

Rawhide

September 28th, 2010
9:56 am

So if we go 0-6 will that just be preseason too? How about a little bit of reality Ice Man

The Real Thrash – Um…let’s see. There are 6 preseason games, so if they go 0-6….yes, that’s still just preseason given none of them will count in the standings.

goose

September 28th, 2010
10:07 am

How can you throw pav’s under the bus before he has even gotten on. He has played all of ONE full season and did not do bad. Before last season he had played all of 19 games over two seasons. Just because pavelec is not playing like Roy does not mean we should get rid of him. Give him a chance let him play a few seasons, then decide if he is our next goaltender

TrueBlue

September 28th, 2010
10:08 am

One thing that we should all be happy with is that Ramsay does not seem to keep rolling out the same old crap. He is using this pre-season very wisely by changing up lines, personnel on the PK and PP, and having his boys practice his methods. That is all pre-season is anyways…Glorified practice that people pay 50 bucks to watch.

Though it would be nice to WIN one of these practices, it really is no big deal and I feel that when it comes time to actually play, our boys will be ready.

Joe Friday

September 28th, 2010
10:08 am

Not suprised at all that the team is struggling to score goals. We talked about it before they even dropped the puck on training camp. There is no top line scoring and to bank on guys like Kane and Bergfors to be your top scorers just isn’t going to work.

I think they’ll still make a move here to bring in some top line scoring, they have to. Even if they don’t I’d rather watch a close checking hard fought 2-1 loss than the 5-2 blowouts of yesteryear while Kovy and Max do their figure 8s. If the club can stay in the mix for the 8 spot until the trade deadline, there’s obviously plenty of room to bring in a rental top line forward to make a run.

Rhythmpenguin

September 28th, 2010
10:19 am

goose: I totally agree. Also, Pavs is only 23.

MeLoveSlava

September 28th, 2010
10:29 am

As far as getting some veteran scoring that is no longer handcuffed by a minor-league coach, THE SLAVA is still available.

rob

September 28th, 2010
10:30 am

A complete new system here, a lot of different faces. Ramsey even talked about “deprogramming” guys. This isn’t gonna be a quick fix here, people. This team hasn’t had any clear cut system that I can see. Throwing a Satan type player in the mix won’t help, it will hurt. He plays NO DEFENSE that I ever remembered seeing. Let what we have sort things out and get a grip on what it is Ramsey wants, and then go from there. I wouldn’t be suprised to be under 500 after the first 10 games, realistically. A better picture should begin to emerge 10-20 I would think. We will see if Ramsey’s ideas are sinking in and if we have the players who can play it. Goalie is my worry now. Mason seems like he might be the real thing, but the season goes to he double hockey sticks if Pavs has to play more than 20 games I think…

Diego from Lilburn

September 28th, 2010
10:36 am

I think Ramsay is doing the right thing with preseason – he’s mixing it up and giving lots of folks a decent chance at showing their quality at the NHL level. We still have several guys playing who are going to be sent down but they are going to be sent down after letting management have a good look at their mettle. I’m ok with that. Also, it seems like our strong Thrashers defense is coming together pretty well. I can’t believe I just said that! The words “strong” + “Thrashers” + “defense” have probably never been strung together before?! Except maybe if someone was commenting on what we needed in seasons past. :D

Unless all the “ifs” come true we are gonna need that strong defense. I haven’t heard any rumors about a 20+ shooter coming here lately. I guess something could be in the works and we don’t all necessarily have to hear about it in advance. Heck, I’ll be happy if someone shows up at the last hour! We all know we need one. I’m sure management knows we need one also. Hopefully they’re working on it.

J.B.

September 28th, 2010
10:38 am

Actually Kozzy has signed or is about to sign with CSKA Moscow.

Smoothie

September 28th, 2010
10:49 am

Yeah, I’m sure Kozzy would love this system in which you have to hustle every second of every shift!! And I’m the best blogger of all time…ALL TIME!! :cool:

If we pick someone up, it’s gonna be more along the lines of a guy who is not afraid to mix things up and crash and bang. So don’t look for any floaters like in the past. As for Satan, not saying I want him, he actually played pretty darn good 2-way hockey for the Pens in their Cup run…but too old and slow. Rather have Modin.

Cornbread

September 28th, 2010
10:58 am

How many PP opportunities did the Thrashers have last night?

Rawhide

September 28th, 2010
11:00 am

How many PP opportunities did the Thrashers have last night?

Cornbread – Zero.

A complete new system here, a lot of different faces. Ramsey even talked about “deprogramming” guys. This isn’t gonna be a quick fix here, people. This team hasn’t had any clear cut system that I can see.

rob – That’s really the way I see it. The preseason is a part of that process too. Ramsay told me a few weeks back that he’d like to get his lines together and let them have some time to gel during preseason. But he added that given the fact he wants to give some prospects an honest evealuation, he didn’t think that was possible.

Also, it seems like our strong Thrashers defense is coming together pretty well. I can’t believe I just said that! The words “strong” + “Thrashers” + “defense” have probably never been strung together before?!

Diego from Lilburn – Kinda makes your head swim…doesn’t it?

Brendan

September 28th, 2010
11:14 am

Adam, you’re right on the money.

Smoothie

September 28th, 2010
11:23 am

Anyone know what Petr Sykora is up to? Is he healthy enough? He’s still only 33 and had a solid year in Pittsburgh for their Cup. What is Allan Walsh tweeting these days?

ChippersLoveChild

September 28th, 2010
11:46 am

@kracker “A team that went 0-3 in preseason last year? The Chicago Blackhawks. They finished 1-3 vs Caps and Wild in their first four games and then went 1-1 vs two Swedish teams. I wonder if the ‘Hawks fans were doing all this nervous hand-wringing a year ago?”

The Blackhawks also had guys named Kane, Toews, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa on their squad…. I don’t see any of them lacing up the skates on opening night for the Thrash… not even close when comparing those two teams, unless you want to talk about how we added a few of their bottom six pairing guys in the off-season.

kracker

September 28th, 2010
11:48 am

The NYPost’s Larry Brooks says all us small market, limited budget fans should come to our senses on the Redden waiving and just get over it and see things the right way – his way. What a maroon!

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/don_ac_cost_rangers_for_redden_cut_im51JRJsXZEMhqkpZyFtqI