Who would you put on Thrashers All-Time Defensive Team?

During the first ten Thrashers seasons, there have been a number of outstanding players that have passed through the organization. Names like Ilya Kovalchuk, Marian Hossa, Marc Savard, Peter Bondra and Dany Heatley come to mind. Regardless of how you might feel about some of them personally, or what kind of bad taste they left in your mouth upon their departure, those names represent some very fine hockey talent.

But what do the names above…and possible the others that might come to your mind… have in common? I mean, besides the fact that they represent the Retention Deficit Disorder that this organ-I-zation has suffered from for the past decade.

Yeah, they are all forwards.

If you put your mind to it, I’m quite sure you could come up with 12 forwards who have played for Atlanta that could comprise a theoretical Thrashers All-Time Offensive Team. Some would be considered more “shoe ins” for the honor than others, but I’m certain the debate would be quite entertaining to say the least.

Niclas Havelid, seen here with Slava Kozlov, played in 303 games on the Thrashers blueline (AP-Stanley Leary)

Niclas Havelid, seen here with Slava Kozlov, played in 303 games on the Thrashers blueline (AP Photo/Stanley Leary)

But something that just might prove to be a skosh more difficult might be trying to find six defensemen that could comprise a Thrashers All-Time Defensive Team. I mean, lets face it folks, the term “fine defensive play” and Atlanta Thrashers have rarely, if ever, been used in the same sentence.

Nonetheless, I am going to challenge you do just that. See if you can come up with six players who have spent a significant amount of time with the Thrashers that you would place on your Thrashers All-Time blueline.

Now first of all, I will take off the list of possibilities the name of Chris Chelios. Yes, this Hall of Fame defenseman “finished” his NHL career as a Thrasher. But we’re only talking 7 games here. And even though I enjoyed seeing someone of his talent play in a Thrashers uniform, it’s not like those games made much of a difference…except maybe take seven games worth of NHL experience away from Arturs Kulda.

Would you place on that list, say, someone like Nic Havelid? He played in 303 games in Atlanta between 2005 and 2009 and was a +13 during his time here. He chipped in with 10 goals and 72 assists as well. In my mind he would definitely be on that list.

What about Jaroslav Modry? He only spent one season with the Thrashers back in 2005-06. But in 79 games played he notched 38 overall points, though he did finish a –9. To me, he played a key role in what I still think was the best overall team that the Thrashers have ever iced.

Then there is Pavel Kubina. Like Modry, he spent but one year in Atlanta, but he played well while here. He played in 76 games last year and netted 6 goals, 32 assists with an EVEN +/- rating. I would have loved to have seen this guy return for another season or two, but he instead decided to bolt to Tampa Bay.

Toby Enstrom deserves a nod here too, in my opinion. He has yet to miss a single game in all three seasons played…knocking wood…and his 104 career assists is tops for all Thrashers defensemen. He is a +4 during his 246 games, including a +14 showing two season’s ago.

Toby Enstrom has searched high and low for pucks during games. He's played in all 82 games during each of his first three NHL seaosns (AP Photo/The Canadian Press,Jeff McIntosh)

Toby Enstrom and the Thrashers have had to search high and low at times to find wins. But in his three seasons so far, Enstrom has yet to miss a game (AP Photo/The Canadian Press,Jeff McIntosh)

Maybe Zach Bogosian has done enough in his first two NHL seasons to wind up on your list of top-six Thrashers defensemen all-time? The third pick in the 2008 draft is a powerful force when he is pushing the puck up-ice. And does Garnet Exelby merit consideration, even if for no other reason than the fact he was such a huge fan favorite? He played in 357 games here… scoring 6 goals, 40 assists but was a –20. In 2005-06 he was a +11 during 75 games.

How about a defenseman who spent five seasons in Thrasherville and only once finished on the negative side of the +/- rating? Not too many out there that can say that. In fact, this defenseman was a +11 having played in 273 games in Thrasher blue, including a +13 effort in 2005-06. He also finished with three 20+ point seasons to boot…87 points overall…and was a part of what were arguably the two best defensive squads in the ten seasons played, 2005-06 and 2006-07. Would he get consideration from you?

Well, I just described Andy Sutton.

…dodging cyber bricks hurled from the blogosphere…

Hey, I’m just offering up the possibilities and asking the questions here.

167 comments Add your comment

Mikey

September 1st, 2010
7:16 am

El First-o!

What, no Zhitnik?

kracker

September 1st, 2010
7:30 am

X, Nic, Toby, Bogo, Kubina…and yeah Mandy if for not much more than his shot blocking.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
7:32 am

We could have had Coburn instead of Mandy perhaps but our player development has not been the best.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
7:38 am

This tweet from C Viv last night.

ajcthrashers Told that talks between Thrashers, RFA Niclas Bergfors are very slow.

Un-good. I would be happier to hear some positive news on the Berg front and get him here skating w/ the rest of the players. Does anyone know if Nic is even in-country?

rob

September 1st, 2010
7:40 am

A pylon, a bag of popcorn, some nacho cheese, some chewed bubble gum, a bag of pucks, and a…where did that damn brick go!!! Rawhide can I have my brick back? oh wait wrong list. Thought we were talking about great defenseman that wore an Atlanta jersey. 1 or 2 season people shouldn’t count. A length of service 1st and foremost, and as you said, not many people fit that bill in the revolving door here. Hopefully we are turning a corner here and in 10 more years we will actually have some names that jump to mind not only locally, but around the league. Until then…..

Matt

September 1st, 2010
7:45 am

This is a joke, right? I mean, have Le Thrash ever had “defenseman”? (not looking at the stats for Goals Against and Shots Given Up)

Dwayne

September 1st, 2010
7:58 am

We play D?????

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
7:58 am

Aside from statistics, I am having a tough time thinking of a former Thrashers’ defenseman that I would want to have on my team. Ironically, the one that I really liked as a player was selected in the expansion draft but never played here-Mark Tinordi. Tinordi’s son was selected by the Habs in the 1st round of the 2010 draft.

I think Oduya is going to have a great season, he is a very underrated defenseman. Toby is OK, but too small. Bogo needs to step up this season.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
7:59 am

Yes, Rob, I would rather not have listed Kubina but my choices are limited. I do not know the defensive players from the first three years and they weren’t very sucessful anyway. Rawhide didn’t ask for a list of all-star caliber defensive Thrashers. He asked for our choices for the best six that they have iced thus far.

Riceowls

September 1st, 2010
8:01 am

Toby yes. Havelid yes. X pre-concussion yes. Sutton for what he did (plus/minus and shot blocking) and not removed for what he didn’t do but we all thought he should (be physical at 6′ 6″). I’m done.

Dwayne

September 1st, 2010
8:13 am

In honor of 2 of our lady bloggers.
Lola—The kinks
Sara—Fleetwood Mac

The Leningrad Cowboys with the Russian Red Army Chorus covering Sweet Home Alabama.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
8:19 am

BTW, in the Dudley interview, part 2, Rick was questioned about possible Thrashers defensemen that could move to forward, basically carrying on the conversation of Buff moving to defense. Bogosian and Mike Siklenka, acquired from Philly and is somewhere in our system, were mentioned as possible d-men that might could play forward.

Does anyone think Enstrom can move to forward. He handles the puck well, has a decent shot when he uses it. I would say he could shorten his stick if he changed which should help him control the puck better as a forward. Dunno….just wondering.

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
8:22 am

Krupp Smehlik
Majesky Buzek
Reirden Slegr

Honorable mention… Vyshedkevich and Skopintsev

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
8:24 am

If I had to pick another line-up, I’d say…

Enstrom Havelid
Bogosian Kubina
Sutton Hainsey

Sara

September 1st, 2010
8:25 am

Nik Havelid and Mike Weaver – only two I’d ever consider taking back (excluding anyone from the past one or two seasons/currently on the roster).

kracker

September 1st, 2010
8:30 am

Oh, I completely forgot about Hainsey, wonder why? lol …But he should be on my list in place of Kubina if we are discounting the one-year players, especially since he walked away.

glovesave29

September 1st, 2010
8:38 am

So now that Khabibulin got 30 days in the Arizona Tent City Jail, does that make my Winnipeg Jets puck he signed worth more?

Darkhorse

September 1st, 2010
8:43 am

What??? No more music talk? I was just breaking out some of the oldies on the ipod after the great mentions over the past few days. What is this, a hockey blog?

You may have to include Hossa on the top six dmen list as well. Even as a forward he played a tough, effective two-way game, and did a better job than the majority of the defencemen who’ve come through here.

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
8:44 am

Slim pickins here eh? I’ll go with:

Enstrom / Havelid

Sutton / deVries
(Sad aint’ it?)

Hainsey / XLB

Bogosian (eventually, and hopefully after this season he’ll be top 2 but I want a turn-around season 1st)

five hole

September 1st, 2010
8:44 am

I’d say Tamer, Trembley, Tsvarquist, Zhitnik . . . . oh, you wanted good defensemen?

I can only think of 2 that deserve to be there; Enstrom & Havelid. I think they have to have outstanding play here for at least 2 years to be considered.

Fireball

September 1st, 2010
8:54 am

Mike Weaver actually paired up well with Sutton.

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
8:56 am

lola is just waiting for #36 to hit the ice

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Did Staios play D or fwd suring his time here? Honestly, does anyone other than X deserve to be on this list pre-2005?

DWTOO

September 1st, 2010
8:58 am

There’s Nic Havelid, and then there’s…..Nic Havelid. About the only effective D Man we’ve ever had. And Honorable Mention goes to Marty Reasoner – the best defensive oriented forward we’ve had.

Wonder how the Bulin Wall gets back into Canada. Don’t they have some kind of rule about convicts, especially DUI’s, who are not citizens getting over the border?

hip czech

September 1st, 2010
8:58 am

how about the all ‘Could-a-been’ D team:

Staios – Kaberle
Pothier – Havelid
DeVries – Coburn

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
8:59 am

DeVries…Yes, I would probably put him on my list too.

Five_Hole – Man, I thought for sure you would have chimed in on the previous blog…

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
9:01 am

Didn’t DeVo play here 2 years? Or am I remembering wrong?

lola

September 1st, 2010
9:05 am

WBF: Today I will see the fan who won Mr. 36’s jersey last year on Fan Appreciation Day — putting on my best blue dress and I will beg — have camera ready :)

HP Drifter

September 1st, 2010
9:09 am

Geez….we have been really stretching it out here, huh ? Look at the previous 10 year record and can we really make a list of an all-defensive team ?? Come on, leave that up to the teenagers. Hopefully more posts will not be in the vein of “10 best PP goals”, “All-time best PK’s”, “Best reasons why ATL is hockey friendly”, “Best BHolik interview quotes (now that is a good idea)”, “All-time worst face-off moments”, “All-time. . . whattever, ~ yawn ~”. Sometimes when there is nothing to say better it is to say nothing.

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
9:10 am

Dr. Dre – Snoop Dog
Eminem – 2Pac
Chuck D – B-Real

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

lola-good luck!
Staios and DeVries could both be on my list.
No idea why Staios was allowed to let go, gotta have heart players.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

Yeah, Devo came in w/ Hossa. He was considered a salary dump by the Sens so they could try to keep both Chara and Redden.

You can consider him one of out best d-men, instead of young Bogo, I suppose. I choose to include Bogosian who should be a top defenseman for years to come. Certainly he will the best ever for the Thrashers to this point.

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
9:16 am

Smoothie – deVries was indeed here for two seasons. Played in all 82 games both years, 10 goals, 49 assists and a -2.

“10 best PP goals”, “All-time best PK’s”, “Best reasons why ATL is hockey friendly”, “Best BHolik interview quotes (now that is a good idea)”, “All-time worst face-off moments”,

HP Drifter – Hey, thanks…you’ve just given be a week and a half’s worth of material there.

ChippersLoveChild

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

Hmmm… I’d go…
Enstrom Havelid
Kubina Sutton
DeVries Kaberle

BLUELAND IN YOR FACE

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

#1 Alltime Defenseman (Retire his Jersey to the Hallowed Grounds of Blueland) Andrea “Pretty Boy” Sutton who is getting his hair highlighted as we speak.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
9:18 am

Smoothie – Yes, Devo played here for two years.

hip czech

September 1st, 2010
9:26 am

Rawhide, how about a poll for who will be the first to have their jersey retired….my vote goes to Kozlov, after that not sure anyone else deserves it yet (Kovalchuk will be a hard pill to swallow, maybe the years will ease the nausea). Possibly Havelid.

Oh, and why not go ahead and officially retire #37 and hang it from the rafters?

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
9:26 am

I liked Devo… I think I made my choices based on what could actually be on the ice right now.

Thrashers27

September 1st, 2010
9:30 am

X
Devo
Havelid
Bogosian
Enstrom
Hainsey

Red Light

September 1st, 2010
9:32 am

In order, my list is …

Havelid
Hnidy + 16 in 138 games
Sutton
DeVries
Enstrom
Hainsey

All played more than 125 games, which is the first criteria I used. I can cite many reasons why I left “X” off my list, but you wouldn’t like them.

rob

September 1st, 2010
9:33 am

I can see Kozlov now as his jersey is hung from the rafters. “I enjoyed the fans here, the owners however leave much to be desired, and are a key reason this team has gone nowhere in over a decade…..oh and coaches should only run 2 lines.”
No jersey retiring here anytime soon LOL

Russian

September 1st, 2010
9:41 am

Honestly, Atlanta Thrashers never have good and solid D-men. Yes, we had a good D-man like a Kubina, Shnieder, Krupp, Zhitnik, Chelious and etc. for short time, but they played horrible. Why it was happened? Because team did not have a GOOD Chemistry and Strategy. We had long time D-men as Havelid, Ex, Sutton, Mordy and etc., but they could not play well for same reason.
What I am seeing now, we have young team. Our D-men are young and Coaches and GM must Build a Chemistry and Must Build a Team. Management have all Power to do that. Most good players under contract or become as RFA next year. They can build a team. Why Detroit Red wings successful? Because they never changed team for 60-70%. We did every season. Every season we start all over again and again. I hope that Year 2010 will be a BUILD year for Atlanta Thrashers.
Well if we come back to Rawhide Question I will say that I like our D-men right now. We have solid and moveable corpse. I do not want to change anything on D-men.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
9:50 am

tweet – Change MPS to MP

reporterchris Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson will only have “Paajarvi” on his #oilers jersey. Why the change? “It’s too long.”

hip czech

September 1st, 2010
9:52 am

Russian, sorry, but this one had me “solid and moveable corpse”. We certainly have had our share of corpses :-)

I agree, this year’s D is as solid a group as we’ve ever had…I forget the article I say yesterday (maybe from a Caps blogger?), but this article had a run down on all SE division teams and actually had the audacity to say the Thrashers had the most solid top 6 Dmen in the division. Chew on that one for awhile.

Zim

September 1st, 2010
9:55 am

Thrashers all defensive team? The faithful Atlanta fans, because we are constantly having to defend this team year in and year out.

But seriously, my starting five would look-a like-a this:

Svartvadet – Reasoner – Hossa
Havelid – Kubina

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
10:01 am

Thrashers all defensive team? The faithful Atlanta fans, because we are constantly having to defend this team year in and year out.

Zim – Very well played, sir.

ben

September 1st, 2010
10:06 am

I’ll pass. I can’t defend the indefensible.

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
10:08 am

I predict that these five will make us all forget about any other defensive players, D-men or otherwise, in the years to come:

Kane – Cormier – Hossa (okay, perhaps not, Hoss was / is a stud)

Bogosian – Kulda

At least the future is brighter than before. Oh and Oduya will probably prove his worth enough over this 82-goal season to take XLB right off my original “top 6″ blueline.

lola

September 1st, 2010
10:10 am

Dwayne: Thanks! for the honor — You are very kind to this hockey newbie!

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
10:12 am

They should invite Kozlov to have his jersey retired, show a long clip of all his highlights on the big screen. And then instead of hoisting his jersey to the rafters, they throw it under a bus… that should sum up his years in Atlanta.

Mikey

September 1st, 2010
10:14 am

Havelid, Hnidy, DeVries, Bogosian and Kaberle. To round out the 6 man roster, I’d then hold my nose and vote for a pre-concussion Exelby.

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
10:17 am

This is the equivalent of trying to pick the prettiest pig, where’s the lipstick?

The biggest indictment of Don Waddell’s utter and complete inability to build a hockey club is the fact that he was a dman in his playing days (might have made the ‘80 USA squad if he hadn’t broken his leg), but he never signed, drafted, traded for, or retained a single top line defenseman. Never. Some 3/4 guys, some 5/6, and a lot of AHL tweeners and Rumun Ndur’s . . . but I’m sure that was the owner’s fault, right Sara?

Tamer-Tremblay
Smehlik-Majesky
Klee-Reirdan

P.U.!

kracker

September 1st, 2010
10:30 am

5. The Versus brand gets killed. (Probably not a bad thing)

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/66584

Red Light

September 1st, 2010
10:31 am

Joe Friday has his edge back today. Beware!

How about this draft legacy of d-men picked with selections 1-125 prior to the Bogosian and Valabik selections?

Luke Sellars • Ilya Nikulin • Libor Usturnul • Brian Sipotz • Coburn • Grant Lewis • Scott Lehman • James Sharrow • Lane Manson • Chad Denny. Outside of Coburn, the others have played in a total of three NHL games.

That’s offensive, not defensive!

R. Stroztradamus

September 1st, 2010
10:50 am

Who would you put on Thrashers All-Time Defensive Team?

A player to be named later, much later, like five years from now.

Mr. Willson

September 1st, 2010
10:51 am

Darnit, Bill! All I read was your headline and my first thought was ANDY SUTTON!! He’s a beast and a force to be reckoned with! Then I read your blog and you stole my thunder…thanks alot.

rob

September 1st, 2010
10:55 am

Who is that “future considerations” guy? He played good d huh?

Mr. Willson

September 1st, 2010
10:56 am

Our defense seems like a revolving door, not just in their play, over the years. So, because I can’t think of the 1000 defensemen that have come thru here. I’ll go with Toby and Exelby, at the least.

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
10:59 am

Darnit, Bill! All I read was your headline and my first thought was ANDY SUTTON!! He’s a beast and a force to be reckoned with! Then I read your blog and you stole my thunder…thanks alot

Mr. Willsonshrugs…sorry, dude.

MashaPlayer7

September 1st, 2010
11:01 am

Can we answer this question next year…my head hurts thinking about this. But, other than our current group, the only other guy I can give honorable mention too is Nic Havelid. X will be known for his body checks, but he never was a force in front of his own net and he was still too slow-of-foot even in his pre-concussion days.

SomaAtl95

September 1st, 2010
11:01 am

You all know I love our team, but the words “Thrashers” and “Defense” go together about as well as the words “Mexican” and “Border Security”. I’m sure you’ve all seen the yellow signs in California on the highways with what looks like a running migrant family… well we’ve needed our own yellow sign that says “Caution” with a puck between the legs of a goalie.
Hopefully all of the changes in the “Thrashers summer of love” will show that a defensive minded offense and actual honest to goodness defense can hold down the large number of SOG’s that we are used to seeing as Thrasher fans… only time will tell…

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
11:13 am

“Joe Friday has his edge back today. Beware!”

Damn straight, Skippy. So that begs the question, is this a defensive core that can finally turn the corner on this clubs inability to keep a puck out of our end and net?

Hainsey-Oduya
Bogosian-Enstrom
Sopel-Valabik

Freddy Meyer.

See a pairing there we can trot out to shut down Ovechkin and Co? Bogosian and Enstrom going to reign in Crosby and Malkin? Anyone there that can stop a Staal, any Staal, from bull rushing Mason?

We still don’t have a true top dpair, our best hope is Bogosian turns into a shut down dman that can eat 28 minutes a night, but that might be a bit optimistic for this year as he’s still green and would have to do a 180 after last year.

I think our Achilles heel remains . . .

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
11:15 am

Looking at it in the light of day sheds a little insight into why Dudley is thinking about Buf at d

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
11:16 am

R/L – forgot about Hnidy…underrated and under-appreciated in his time here. I shall remove XLB and put Hnidy on my bottom pairing with Hains. In fact, Hartley probably should have played Shane more in 2007 down the stretch when X and Stevie McAwesome were having there difficulties.

Let’s hope we’ll be listing this six as best all-time D-men in 3 or 4 years:

Bogo / Kulda

Enstrom / Oduya

Hainsey / Zubarev or Postma

Hon Mention: Havelid, Devo

Zoomo

September 1st, 2010
11:16 am

Mostly agree with the nominations. X was good for only a year or so. While not in my top 6, Shane Hnidy had a very good year here. Devries was underatted – solid if unspectacular.

Can I put a vote in for Chris Tamer as “most out of position” D-man in our history?

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
11:17 am

Joe – don’t sleep on Kulda. He’s for real.

the dude

September 1st, 2010
11:24 am

EX-Thrasher Chris Chelios Retires. What a way to put it. Im sure chelios has such pride in that title.

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
11:26 am

Ok, pencil in Kulda for Valabik (please!), still have this:

Hainsey-Oduya
Bogosian-Enstrom
Sopel-Kulda

Valabik

Not re-signing Kubina was a mistake, but if Dudley is looking at this as a build year, I can see not wanting to sign him for too long (did Tampa give him 3?). Coach will be pushing more defensive play from the forwards, and that will help, but no top dpair is going to be our Achilles heel again this year.

Old Time Hockey

September 1st, 2010
11:27 am

Sutton?….SUTTON? Are you people nuts? A guy in the 10th row gave him a head fake and he went for it. What a waste of talent. He is the type of guy that makes me happy that Dudley is looking at hockey IQ as one of the intangibles. All that talent and no head on his shoulders.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
11:29 am

JF, Since you didn’t mention it, I will assume you forgot to factor in what we think will be a better backchecking group of forwards under Ramsay and Torch. Will this be significant or non-significant in the effectiveness of the team’s defense? That remains to be seen but it should be considered.

Spud Webb

September 1st, 2010
11:32 am

Red Light, that is what I call just good drafting. We know how to pick some D men!!!!!!!!! I can scout for the Thrashers, please, I’d love that job and I GUARANTEE I can have us pick 2 Dmen in 10 years that would make/play in the NHL!!!!
Tamer!! I loved that guy, nicest guy on the team.

R. Stroz

September 1st, 2010
11:33 am

So, to sum up, the Thrasher defense is akin to Mexican border security, they stop a few but most enter and call it their new home.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
11:33 am

JF, sorry, I see you did mention defensive forward play as I was typing.

Spud Webb

September 1st, 2010
11:35 am

We’re getting close to the greatest sports month of the year, October…College and pro football, Baseball, & hockey!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Syracuse RULES. ahahhahhaa

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
11:40 am

“So, to sum up, the Thrasher defense is akin to Mexican border security, they stop a few but most enter and call it their new home.”

Just wait till Bettman files a lawsuit against Dudley to prevent us from playing Chris Pronger after Dudley makes the trade for him to finally get the job done for us . . .

SomaAtl95

September 1st, 2010
11:46 am

Thanks for summing up my analogy Stroz, when it comes to defense of our crease, we’ve been about as open as the border between us and our neighbors to the south -

Thrasher Shawn

September 1st, 2010
11:50 am

No love for Frankie(Frantisek) Kaberle?

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
11:52 am

Buff on D? Dudley may beloeve that we do not have enough size on defense. This is partially because we let Kubina go back “home”, which I was never in favor of, others too. There’s nobody on our current defense that is capable to clearing the front of the net. “Net-clearers” require about 220# to do the job on a regular basis.

That’s why Duds is looking at Buff on D

rob

September 1st, 2010
11:56 am

Trade for Pronger. LMAO Seriously, I would have to stop watching the Thrashers I think. NEVER liked him…and now that he wears orange it is even worse. If he could play hard WITHOUT being a cheapshot, but then he wouldn’t be Pronger and I wouldn’t greatly dislike him.

you're kidding right?

September 1st, 2010
11:59 am

Let’s wait until the Thrashers win a few Cups before we start trying to name “All-Time” greats here…talk about putting the cart before the horse..jeeeeez

Alan R.

September 1st, 2010
12:06 pm

I’ve sat here and thought about this long and hard.

I’ve decided we should return to the last post. This one doesn’t make any sense at all. It’s as if we’re supposed to stick our hands into giant piles of crap in an effort to pull out the prettiest looking pieces.

No thanks. Let’s give it a few more years.

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
12:12 pm

Keith and Seabrook don’t exactly fit the prototype some of you think a blueline should have for the sake of clearing guys out. Effective use of the stick, boxing out correctly and using the leverage you have can be just as effective. Bogo, Kulda, Hainsey (if Ramsay bitch-slaps him to be more physical), Sopel and Valabik have the potential and / or ability to do this. Hjalmarsson ain’t exactly Pronger either. We just need guys to be in the right positions more often. It will come.

Hokey P. Clisters

September 1st, 2010
12:26 pm

Mr. Rawhides, this appears to be a trick question. However I will attempt to formulate a blueline special:

Kubina,Enstrom,Havelid,Devries,Achilles,and Heel.

TableHockey

September 1st, 2010
12:41 pm

Thanks for the depressing blog Rawhide. I have a Pothier numbered rookie jersey card and a numbered rookie Weaver card. Always nice to have a reminder of how utterly valueless these cards are.

All time D for me would be:

Havlid – Devries
Enstrom – Kubina
(insert any other 2 at this point)

Bogosian will fit on this list hopefully as soon as the end of next season. Possibly Oduya as well. I have high hopes…

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
12:51 pm

Kubina,Enstrom,Havelid,Devries,Achilles,and Heel.

Hockey P. Clisters – HA! :lol: That’s brilliant!

See folks…as is the case with the vast majority of you…Mr. Clisters here “gets it” when it comes to the meaning of the blog. It’s a tough assignment because of the “quality” of defensemen that have been iced by this team in it’s first decade of play. It has indeed been our Achilles heel.

Reading and comprehending…gotta be able to do both.

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
12:53 pm

Rawhide – in that case, how about Ole! and Porous as a bottom pairing?

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
12:54 pm

Just shows how bad our defense has been the past 10 years. You can’t win when you’re shopping for everybody’s 6th defenseman.

Mikey

September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm

Smoothie: Or for that matter, how about Ben Beaten and I.M. Toast

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm

Per Craig Custance tweet, “Thrashers trade defenseman Grant Lewis to Nashville in return for forward Ian McKenzie”

TableHockey

September 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

Just in Thrashers trade defenseman Grant Lewis to Nashville in return for forward Ian McKenzie per Craig Custance

TableHockey

September 1st, 2010
1:06 pm

R. Stroz

September 1st, 2010
1:08 pm

I thought today was September 1st, not April 1st.

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
1:14 pm

Ian McKenzie: 23 years old undrafted RW. 6-4, 222 pounds.

Last two years has split time between Cincinnati Cyclones of the ECHL and Milwaukee Admirals of AHL.

In 64 games in the ECHL he has 15 goals and 5 assists. In 50 at the AHL level has 4 goals and an assist. Between the two, he has 149 PIM.

Talent analysis from HockeysFuture.com…

“Checker. McKenzie is neither agile nor possesses great hockey sense…unlikely to make it out of the minors”.

Everyone say it with me…”The Cup is ours”.

Lord Stanley

September 1st, 2010
1:14 pm

whats the low down on Mckenzie

Lord Stanley

September 1st, 2010
1:16 pm

Hockeyfutures makes this sound like a dud of a trade.

TableHockey

September 1st, 2010
1:16 pm

I have Grant Lewis rookie card too…

R. Stroz

September 1st, 2010
1:19 pm

Now, I’m convinced today is April 1st.

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
1:24 pm

Barely worth the recognition

rob

September 1st, 2010
1:25 pm

Rawhide,
Can I get that brick back? I am going to need it after all because ever since that last blog I can’t get Barry Manilow outta my head. Seriously. BARRY FREAKIN MANILOW! And now I am assaulted with the odoriferous past in yet another way as our D is brought up. I like the looks of the future……can we watch that coming at us instead of looking back at the bumbling train wreck that was the DumWad as our GM Atlanta Thrashers?

Mr. Willson

September 1st, 2010
1:29 pm

If this trade doesn’t bump the Ilya contract status from the headlines, nothing will.

Wayne stuck in AL

September 1st, 2010
1:33 pm

How about NO ONE?

Lord Stanley

September 1st, 2010
1:35 pm

5pm countdown continues

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
1:37 pm

rob – Her name was Lola, she was a showgirl…. :lol:

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
1:38 pm

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
1:41 pm

Mikey – that I.M. Toast dude could really skate, but had no depth perception and took poor angles…whatta bust? LMAO Nicely played sir.

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
1:42 pm

I think Rawhide is trying to torcher us worse than the month of August is anyway.

Getting Barry Manilow songs stuck in our head and then asking us to recount the history of Thrashers defense.

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
1:42 pm

Here’s what the press release that was sent to me by the Thrashers reads:

“The Atlanta Thrashers have acquired forward Ian McKenzie from the Nashville Predators in exchange for defenseman Grant Lewis, according to General Manager Rick Dudley.
McKenzie, 23, appeared in 24 American Hockey League games last season with the Milwaukee Admirals, scoring one goal and collecting 14 penalty minutes. He also posted five points (three goals, two assists) and 48 penalty minutes in 24 regular season ECHL games with the Cincinnati Cyclones and added six points (three goals, three assists) in 15 playoff games, while helping the Cyclones capture the Kelly Cup Championship.
The 6-5, 235-pound right wing has earned five points (four goals, one assist) and 45 penalty minutes in 50 career AHL games with the Admirals, and 20 points (15 goals, five assists) with 104 penalty minutes in 64 ECHL games with Cincinnati during two professional seasons from 2008 to 2010.
Prior to his professional career, McKenzie earned 76 points (39 goals, 37 assists) and 276 penalty minutes in 228 games with Moose Jaw and Seattle of the Western Hockey League from 2003 to 2008. He reached the WHL Finals in 2006 with Moose Jaw, and led Seattle in points (14) and goals (eight) during the 2008 postseason.
McKenzie was originally signed as a free agent by Nashville on May 6, 2008.
Lewis, 25, appeared in 36 AHL games last season for Chicago and Hershey, recording six points (one goal, five assists) and 29 penalty minutes. Lewis also appeared in one post-season game with Hershey.
The 6-3, 190-pound defenseman made his NHL debut for the Thrashers on March 3, 2009 against Florida, registering one shot on goal. Lewis tallied 44 points (three goals, 41 assists) in 133 career AHL games with Chicago and Hershey from 2007 to 2010.
Lewis was originally selected by the Thrashers in the second round, 40th overall, of the 2004 NHL Entry Draft.
Lower level season tickets for the 2010-11 Atlanta Thrashers are now available starting at less than $23 per game.
For more information, please call 1-866-715-1500 or visit http://www.thrashersseasontickets.com.”

Hmmm…apparently I-Mac grew an inch and put on 8 pounds or so since HockeyFutures.com last wrote anything about him.

R. Stroz

September 1st, 2010
1:43 pm

Is there are a malaise speech coming?

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
1:47 pm

“Checker. McKenzie is neither agile nor possesses great hockey sense…unlikely to make it out of the minors”.

Well, Grant Lewis wasn’t about to crack the roster either, I suppose it’s a wash.

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
1:50 pm

Do people really care about this trade? It means nothing. Hate it for Grant but the shattering of his knee-cap pretty much ruined any future he had in the big leagues. Looks like I-Mac will be our ECHL goon and call-up for AHL if Kaip or Paquette get hurt. Or if Paquette gets a call to ATL at some point.

five hole

September 1st, 2010
1:50 pm

Rawhide – Barry Manilow? You allow Barry Manilow in your house? I don’t care if your wife looks like Scarlett Johanson and pulls down mid-6 figures. (looking back, if she looked like SJ and pulled mid-6 figures, I might make an exception).

If you allow Barry Manilow, next she’ll want to bring in the Kenny G.

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
1:53 pm

five_hole – Yes…it’s that whole Domino Theory thingy in action. I have to stay vigilant and make sure her brand of music remains contained to what and where it currently is.

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
2:14 pm

She looks like Scarlett and pulls in 6 large, she can blow Kenny G.’s sax and call me at the golf course when she’s done, for all I care . . .

kracker

September 1st, 2010
2:33 pm

tweet – Something must be going down, else it would have already been approved…I feel sooo bad for Jay Grossman!

Eklund Sounds like NHL and NHLPA going to do some more tweaks on kovalchuk contract.

Lord Stanley

September 1st, 2010
2:38 pm

Grossman gets what he deserves.

jimbo

September 1st, 2010
2:43 pm

Five_Hole- great reminder for the Terrible T’s- Tamer, Tjarnquist and Trembley. Pickins for good D-Men for the Thrash are mighty, mighty slim. A couple of folks picked the Big Road Cone- Sutton. He was a joke and so was Exelby. Threw a few great hip checks but could be counted on to be out of position (and without his stick) at clutch times. Havelid gets my nod for being the most dependable and I loved “Weaves”. What a great hustler!

Alan R.

September 1st, 2010
2:46 pm

I do believe the Sergeant has made a funny. Good show, Joe Friday.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
2:47 pm

jmanasso What does the future hold for #Thrashers prospect Angelo Esposito? GM Rick Dudley thinks an NHL career. NHL.com http://bit.ly/9RPboV

Hockey Biltong

September 1st, 2010
2:50 pm

you meant the Flames, not Trashers, on D? Right???

five hole

September 1st, 2010
3:18 pm

I was reading the last blog (which I couldn’t participate in) and I gotta tell you that I’m PO’d. As we all know, FM radio in Atlanta for “classic rock” blows. In a city of 5.5 million residents, the best they can come up with is “classic hits” and “DAVE-FM”?

My current contract is in Oklahoma City, a town of maybe 750K, and they’ve got 2 really good classic rock, 1 pretty good classic rock, plus the “oldies” channel, which amounts to a second pretty good station. If anyone can get KRXO or BOB-FM over the internet, they play stuff I haven’t heard on radio in over 20 years. Yesterday was a salute to motorcycles; they were playing Montrose “Bad Motor Scooter” and I forget which Allman Bros, but it was kicking butt!

And Bill to achieve harmony at home, I would suggest you pursue “Peace with Honor”. Otherwise, you may end up with another “Tet Offensive” on your hands.

Midfield

September 1st, 2010
3:20 pm

Sutton may have been a joke quite possibly, but a respectable one according to his stats with the Thrashers, which would put him at the top of the local list. The whole team has always been a joke defensively. All time joke at that.

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
3:24 pm

Maybe the NHL is dragging out this Kovy announcement, milking it for all they can? You know, LeBron-style

MB

September 1st, 2010
3:27 pm

Funniest post ever, Bill…a Thrashers all-defense team. HA!

Like Mt. Puckmore and the thought of the first retired jersey, this cart is WAY before the horse.

five hole

September 1st, 2010
3:27 pm

Joe Friday well played, sir.

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
3:27 pm

Niemi’s going to sign with SJ…

EJHradek_ESPN RT @RealKyper: Western source has confirmed Antti Niemi will sign with SJ as early as tomorrow. I hear 2M base, possibly for just the 1 yr.

Lord Stanley

September 1st, 2010
3:29 pm

Isn’t that where are friend nittymaki went?

kracker

September 1st, 2010
3:40 pm

tweet – Looks like the Niemi/Habs chatter was just a lot of talk…

RealKyper West coast source has confirmed Antti Niemi will sign with the Sharks as early as tomorrow. I hear 2M base, possibly for just the 1 year.

[Wait....is RealKyper more reliable than Eklund??]

kracker

September 1st, 2010
3:42 pm

oops sorry for the repeat post…I got interrupted here at work for 15 minutes while posting.

alex

September 1st, 2010
4:08 pm

back to all defensive atlanta team, sorry zsar donny for 11 years on throne not be able or recognize 6 real defensman. in my opinion been two – stauos and kaberle, both let go by idiot gm i don’t now why. bogo, enstrom, kulda – wait to see situation, and finally we get missing piece in forwards. welcome to atlanta mr mckenzie, problem solved.

Alan R.

September 1st, 2010
4:23 pm

Five Hole – Dave FM? Never tried them. The only two I know of is 97.1 and 106.7.

What gets under my skin, though, is the fact both stations seem to stick to a playlist that involves a dozen plays of “Sweet Home Alabama” throughout a workday, while “Wish You Were Here” might get one play in a week’s time.

A real buzzkill occurs when both stations are playing “Sweet Home Alabama” at the same time.

R. Stroz

September 1st, 2010
4:28 pm

Blue! Blue! Blue!

Mr. Willson

September 1st, 2010
4:33 pm

So, Bill. Is your next blog on the Thrashers’ All-Goalie Team? It would be just as humorous.

glovesave29

September 1st, 2010
4:34 pm

NHL has delayed the Kovy decision until 5PM Friday

Ilya Kovalchuck

September 1st, 2010
4:40 pm

I am tired if this crap I am going back to Russia

Smoothie

September 1st, 2010
4:41 pm

NHL has delayed the Kovy decision until 5PM Friday

Absolutely wonderful…can’t get enough. Not.

Rawhide

September 1st, 2010
4:42 pm

So, Bill. Is your next blog on the Thrashers’ All-Goalie Team? It would be just as humorous.

Mr. Willson – That would consist of Pasi and the Moose.

NHL has delayed the Kovy decision until 5PM Friday

GS29 – Any word on whether or not the Versus Channel will air a 1-hour special around the announcement?

glovesave29

September 1st, 2010
4:49 pm

I think Bravo! is going to cover it on “The Real Housewives of NJ”. The Kovy clan will get out their latest out of fashion, skin tight and low cut duds, get about 10 gallons of hairspray on and announce they are on their way to New…J (psych!) SKA St. Petersburg. Will be moderated by Sam Neil and Sean Connery in their best Russian accents. Will show dozens of disinterested fans in the motherland.

kracker

September 1st, 2010
4:51 pm

In addition to The River and Dave FM, you can add 98.5 (80s weekends) and 101.5 for classic rock.

Now back to your Kovalchuk no-deal-today coverage…

glovesave29

September 1st, 2010
4:52 pm

“Pasi and the Moose”

Sounds like a really bad sit com – as opposed to bad hockey.

five hole

September 1st, 2010
4:54 pm

Alan R. The classic hits (don’t remember the frequency) is guarranteed to play Eagles, Billy Joel every hr. There was a time when I used to like the Eagles, but anymore can’t stand to listen to it. Same with Sweet Home Alabama.

Of course, I’m a guy who used to like Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nicks. For those who haven’t listened, I recommend “Bear Trees” and “Sentimental Lady” (both off of the Bear Trees album), or “Heroes are Hard to Find”.

I actually hear BOB-FM play John Lennon’s “Imagine” and CSNY “Ohio”. They play Neil Young, Genesis, all the left wing music that gets edited out of Atlanta’s radio. In Oklahoma City of all places.

BTW, on a hockey note; OKC is now the home of the Barons, the AHL team for the Oilers. The 1st game I can go see is Oct 19 (against the Lake Erie Monsters). The first game against the Chicago Wolves is Jan 26. So at least I have that to look forward to here.

glovesave29

September 1st, 2010
4:55 pm

Anti Niemi is a Shark. Guess they weren’t that excited about Niitymakki

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
5:10 pm

What about Thomas Greiss for the sharks?

Red Light

September 1st, 2010
5:14 pm

Since they both signed for $2 million, training camp will be let the best goalie win in San Jose, and they can waive the other one. Or, keep them both and send Greiss packing. Nothing wrong at all with that move as the Sharks had a little space left. After all, you are signing a Stanley Cup winning goalie, who also is Finnish like Niityymaki.

five hole

September 1st, 2010
5:16 pm

The Sharks; both goalies are “Fins”. There’s got to be a joke there.

Thrashers27

September 1st, 2010
5:24 pm

The extension on the Kovy decision is total BS. No single player warrants this much attention. Kovy’s good for the league, but he’s not bigger than the league itself, or even one team. Fish within the parameters of the lake, or cut bait Lou!

Sara

September 1st, 2010
5:28 pm

but I’m sure that was the owner’s fault, right Sara?

What’s that quaint saying again … something about you get what you pay for?

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
6:32 pm

Can you imagine what these comments would be like if this Kovy situation was still our problem?

Budder

September 1st, 2010
7:07 pm

five hole said…Of course, I’m a guy who used to like Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nicks. For those who haven’t listened, I recommend “Bear Trees” and “Sentimental Lady” (both off of the Bear Trees album), or “Heroes are Hard to Find”.

Good to know another Thrash fan respects the guitar-playing and singing Bob Welch (not the pitcher). Mystery to Me rocks, Christie McVie was smooth and fine.

All-time Thrasher D? Let’s go all the way back and put Gord Murphy out there – he could knock folks down with nothing but the power of Ugly.

rob

September 1st, 2010
7:59 pm

A&E or LIFE can cover Kovy’s little prima dona b!tcha$$ self. He plays for all the wrong reasons and will not care if he ever comes close to the Cup, as long as he gets paid. Hockey gods everywhere must be haunting Bettman in an attempt to make him void it again, but Bettman’s own greed will allow Kovy to stay here rather than run back to Russia for his payday. NJ’s toxicity is where he belongs.

World Be Free

September 1st, 2010
8:03 pm

Thrash27-how bad wouth the Kovy situation be if we as fans had to deal with the situation? I really don’t care cuz he is going to get his money anyway you cut it. I hope he gets boo-ed in every rink in the league next season.

Budder-forgot about Murphy; how about Maxim Galanov?

GaVaHokie

September 1st, 2010
8:22 pm

Eric Perrin is a camp tryout for Tampa Bay… per Twitter

Nate

September 1st, 2010
8:41 pm

Um…my choice is D, none of the above.

Joe Friday

September 1st, 2010
10:09 pm

“What’s that quaint saying again … something about you get what you pay for?”

Hey, at least you’re consistent. Come on now, you don’t really believe that it’s the Spirit’s, Turner’s, etc. fault that Don drafted and signed the guys he did, do ya? It doesn’t cost anything to draft anyone, unless you want to believe they told him to draft bad players so they wouldn’t have to pay them much? No, this is all on Waddell, a bad GM is a bad GM (even when given piles of cash like the Blue Skirts pre cap era)

Brendan

September 1st, 2010
10:52 pm

My six: Pavel Kubina, Shane Hnidy, Nic Havelid, Frantisek Kaberle, Toby Enstrom, and Zach Bogosian. Truthfully, I thought about Sutton, but resisted the urge. And I thought about Zhitnik, immediately after the trade. I thought about how Steve McCarthy was a nice 2006 trade deadline pickup, scoring 7 goals, but then minuses just stuck to the guy in the coming years. I thought about DeVries. Meh. Truthfully, I am much more in league with Joe Friday in thinking that it’s easier to compile the WORST SIX than the best six. I can tell you this. The best is yet to come. Who knows if Braydon Coburn would have ever developed into anything here. Same with Brian Pothier. Who knows what might have come from retaining Petr Buzek and Steve Staios.

Brendan

September 1st, 2010
11:01 pm

Gosh, I remember when Grant Lewis was regarded as one of our more promising farm team projects. Oh well. Then again, we didn’t waste the 8th overall pick on him, to land Chad Denny. Who? Exactly.

alex

September 1st, 2010
11:06 pm

disagree grossman have nothing to do with kovy problem, loi does, it’s nj trying to lie to make contract easeer on salary cap, nothing been wrong on thrashers proposal 102 mil 11 years, and been approved by nhl had kovy not rejected. again it’s no grossman but loi to blame. grossman working for his client, everybody in hockey world agree that kovy money should be close to lecavalier or malkin money, not to slater or bolton money, lenght of contract loi wanted to surcumvent salary cap end of story.

Brendan

September 1st, 2010
11:37 pm

I don’t know what Montreal will do now. I suppose, they COULD actually elect to stay with Price and Auld. But uhh, they chummed up the waters with their first CF appearance since 1993 this past season. Surely, Montreal’s media will ask the question to their GM, “What do you intend to do to ensure that the Canadiens return to the CF again this year, and hopefully reach the Finals?” Then the GM answers, “Well, truthfully, we knew the fastest way back to the CF, and potentially the Stanley Cup, was to rid ourselves of the cancer that was Jaroslav Halak.”

I would personally love to witness such an exchange.

Anywho, the Sharks got swept in the CF last year, right? I can’t remember anymore. In any event, they lost. Their GM can answer the question, “How do you plan to fill the void left by your team’s inability to re-sign Evgeni Nabakov?” by answering thusly, “We have landed a tandem of Niittymaki, playoff experience with Philadelphia, and Anttii Niemi, a Stanley Cup-winner last season.” Doesn’t sound nearly as ridiculous as the hypothetical Montreal press conference.

Sidebar, it’s September already … and one of the goalies possessing some of the finer numbers from the 2009-10 season remains un-signed, to the best of my knowledge. I am refering to Jose Theodore. Truthfully, I have absolutely no idea what his plans were or are. Maybe he thought of Chicago, but they signed Turco. Maybe he thought of Washington, but they’re committed to two other goalies. I haven’t looked at Tampa Bay’s cap, but since they’ve been so active, imagine if they actually ADEQUATELY addressed their goaltending situation. Right now, it’s Mike Smith and Dan Ellis, right? What if the Bolts landed Theodore, shipping one of those other two out of town? What’s Theodore going to cost? We talked about this before. I lost track of the numbers. Who still a needs a starting goalie, this late in the offseason? Did Chris Osgood retire?, or is he still going to be the backup to Jimmy Howard in Detroit?

Brendan

September 1st, 2010
11:38 pm

Who’s the other goalie in Phoenix, besides Byrzgalov? What’s their cap situation? And could they afford Jose Theodore?

World Be Free

September 2nd, 2010
6:03 am

Alex, I think everyone is throwing Kovalchuk, Lou and Grossman in the same outhouse right now. All three of them are guilty to trying to circumvent the cap. Kovy and Grossman, I expected they would do this; Lou I did not expect to be such a devient. Don’t know what 48 hours will do to make this right, I just hope this courtship dance does not come back to haunt the league during the next collective bargainining negotiation. And the heck with looking at the contracts that were submitted months ago, like Hossa’s and Savard’s. Let those go.

Red Light

September 2nd, 2010
7:02 am

Here’s the scoop from Larry Brooks of the NY Post. Very interesting indeed!

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devils/nhl_gives_players_assn_ultimatum_UEbYgwfB6I4E4y7xGbE1OP

The NHL has given the NHLPA an ultimatum regarding the contested front-loaded contract of not only the Devils’ Ilya Kovalchuk, but Vanocuver’s Roberto Luongo and Chicago’s Marian Hossa, as well, The Post has learned.

A well placed source reports that the league has informed the Players’ Assn. that the league will grandfather the recently submitted Kovalchuk 15-year, $100M contract, Luongo’s 12-year, $64M deal that is entering its second season and Hossa’s 12-year, $63.3M deal that also is entering its second season into the CBA under the following conditions…

Sara

September 2nd, 2010
7:10 am

According to a story out of the NY Post, the League is threatening to void the Luongo and Hossa contracts and reject Kovy’s deal if the NHLPA doesn’t agree to some concessions about how the cap hits are calculated and applied. The extension was apparently agreed to so that the NHL and NHLPA could essentially rework this rule. The plus side to this could be, if they can come to an agreement on this now, it’s one less issue to be dealt with when the new CBA talks really get under way.

What I find interesting is that this has turned into a fight between the NHL honchos and the NHLPA. Certainly the players have a stake in this fight but it’s the GMs (and owners) who are responsible for these contracts. That would be the more appropriate fight IMO.

It’s also interesting which contracts they’ve chosen to pick fights over. Savard, Pronger, Luongo, and Hossa – as opposed to the Detroit contracts for example. Now the Detroit contracts weren’t as long and the difference between $$ paid and cap hit aren’t quite so far apart over much of the contracts. However, they were also handed out to homegrown talent. Which makes me wonder, if we’d tried to offer some kind of creatively structured contract to Kovy (not that we need to cap maneuvering but for the sake of the argument…) would the League still be honking so much since it would have been a situation of keeping Kovy a Thrasher for life.

JF we’ve never seen eye to eye on this and never will. Cost control happens in places other than the roster, even though that’s the figures we see publicly and discuss the most. We went an entire season without a real head coach because AS was still on the hook for Hartley’s salary and didn’t want to spend the $$ on another one. I’d be more than willing to bet that if the profit and loss statements for every NHL club were made available to the public, the Thrashers would lag behind not only on spending for player payroll but also for spending in other areas like marketing or, say, scouting. The best talent always comes at a price, whether it’s on the ice or off of it. How much do you think Detroit, New Jersey, or San Jose spend on scouting and office staff?

I have never said Waddell was perfect or one of the top GMs in the League or entirely blameless. However comparison amongst GMs, to be an honest and fair representation, has to consider the individual situations within which they have to work. And the situation here has certainly been less than ideal on many levels.

HookyBob

September 2nd, 2010
7:28 am

Below is the link to the article Sara mentioned.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devils/nhl_gives_players_assn_ultimatum_UEbYgwfB6I4E4y7xGbE1OP

I’d thought about an age limit earlier (age 40 in this case) but figured it was too ripe age discrimination litigation. As I read Brooks article it would appear that the NHL may have backed the PA and Fehr into a bit of a corner. (This has all the makings of a modern day 1st Kings, chapter 3 story.)

When it comes to the top D-men in Blueland,…the picking is pretty slim. I guess it is relative in that the “best” Thrasher D-man doesn’t necessarily mean a good NHL D-Man. As far as the Thrashers drafting good D-men. D-Men supposedly take longer to develop,..and we have such a dismal record when it comes to developing young players. I haven’t looked at the #s closely but would guess that for every player who came through our farm system 4, 5, or even 6, were attained through FA or trades. It might even be Blueland has had more draft picks that have made the team directly, than have come through our “development” system.

R. Stroz

September 2nd, 2010
7:45 am

Isn’t Waddell one of the best defensemen in Thrasher history?

He’s been “creatively” defending his decisions for ten years.

Old Time Hockey

September 2nd, 2010
8:09 am

Actually, I believe that DW was in the running for a defense spot on the 1980 Miracle on ice team, but suffered a leg injury late in camp.

HP Drifter

September 2nd, 2010
9:11 am

R. Stroz >> now that is a GREAT comment !!!! More, please more. . .

Joe Friday

September 2nd, 2010
9:41 am

“However comparison amongst GMs, to be an honest and fair representation, has to consider the individual situations within which they have to work. And the situation here has certainly been less than ideal on many levels.”

Sara, I admire sticking to ones guns, but you’re reminding me of the female equivalent of the Fonz here . . .I was wr, wr, wr, wr, I wasn’t right.

You truly think that Waddell would have been a good GM on, say, Detroit, where he had strong ownership willing to spend? You really want to say that?

hoosier_hoser

September 2nd, 2010
5:36 pm

David Harlock
Roman N’Dur
Darryl Shannon
Todd Reirden
Jere Slegr
Richard Smehlik
Alexei Zhitnik