Could Byfuglien back on blueline be bad news for Kulda?
One of the more interesting things that came from Chris Vivlamore’s recent chat with Rick Dudley was the suggestion that Dustin Byfuglien could wind up playing defense.
“It’s a position that he likes to play”, Dudley told Vivlamore. “It’s a position that I thought he was well on his way to being a top, top defenseman in Chicago”.
Roberto Luongo and other goalies around the NHL certainly wouldn't mind seeing the large frame of Dustin Byfuglien moving to defense (AP photo)
Continuing the Thrashers GM added, “We moved him to forward because we had no size up front. Obviously, he proved to be a very effective forward but that doesn’t mean he’s not an effective defenseman. Ultimately, if [coach] Craig [Ramsay] says he doesn’t want to play him at defense, it’s unlikely he’ll play on defense. Truthfully, I want to see [him switch]. He can score. He can score 15 goals as a defenseman. He’s got one of the hardest shots in the game”.
The 6’-4” 257 lb Byfuglien was the Blackhawks 245th pick back in the 2003 draft.
Now I must confess, the discussion of such a move is puzzling given the fact that Byfuglien’s size and abilities are just what this team needs in front of opposing goalies. And, if he does take up a spot on the defensive corps that means another player will be denied one. That person most likely would be Arturs Kulda, whom I am really looking forward to seeing on the team this season.
So if Duds gets his wish, the Thrashers D-men would consist of Hainsey, Enstrom, Oduya, Bogosian, Sopel and Buff in back with Valabik left to sample the press box buffet. This is barring any further trades/signings, of course.
What are your thoughts on moving Byfuglien to defense?
- All for it. They need help back there (4%, 6 Votes)
- Not a fan. We need that size up front (72%, 96 Votes)
- Wait...the Thrashers have a forward that knows how to play defense? (24%, 32 Votes)
Total Voters: 134
Loading ...But then let’s also consider the forward lines. The way I see things, Antropov, Peverley, Kane, Little and Bergfors, (when signed), make up five of your top-six forwards. Boulton and Thorburn are fourth liners, possibly centered by Patrice Cormier, and Slater could skate between Eager and Ladd for line three. Then add in, say, Rissmiller as a healthy scratch. But there’s still that one open RW spot on the first or second line to round out the lineup.
This is where Spencer Machacek could possibly find his opening to crack the roster. Dudley has made it clear he wants to make sure there are some spots available for prospects to compete for. So if Buff finds his way onto the defensive corps then that creates an opening for Machacek to fill.
Again, this assumes a trade or signing isn’t in the offing.
Speaking of which, keep in mind we’ve heard rumblings that Dudley and Co. have shown some interest in forward Lee Stempniak. If he were to be brought in, one would think he’s got the inside track to that final top-six spot with Buff on defense.
And that would probably mean Spencer back in Chicago with Arturs.
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Get The Puck Out
August 28th, 2010
3:40 pm
Agreed 100% WBF. Stability is what will make players want to stay.
Tony C.
August 28th, 2010
4:04 pm
The other thing that really bothers me about this whole Byfuglien-on-D thing; each time Dudley has mentioned it, he’s also quoted as saying something along the lines of “Dustin really likes to play defenCe”…..
…I was hoping the era of placating certain “big-name” players was over in Atlanta…. Not saying that this is definitely the case, but seeing as we just got rid of the world’s most predictable power-play, I had hoped we wouldn’t be going anywhere near that sort of thing anytime soon.
Brendan
August 28th, 2010
4:30 pm
WBF, I liked the way you explained your answer. You’re getting “extra credit” from the Professor.
HookyBob
August 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
Sooooooooo,..is it too soon to make point predictions for the upcoming season??? Call me anxious if you want.
Brendan
August 28th, 2010
4:55 pm
Speaking of anxious, HookyBob, the clock has nearly struck on the 48-hours for the NHL to approve Kovalchuk’s deal. http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=331738. Why is there no reporting on it??
I’d like to make predictions for next year, but rosters aren’t set yet.
Rawhide, did you want to have a “Guess the Opening Night Budget” contest this year? If so, it’s about the time to start submitting guesses and setting a dealine. Opening Night actually isn’t that far away. We’d also need to designate a website’s number, like capgeek or nhlnumbers, to be our “authority” for the contest. And no, there cannot be any leeway for 9-game auditions, retroactive to opening night. It contest would end on Opening night, for whatever the designate website says is our cap figure. Let me know.
Brendan
August 28th, 2010
5:06 pm
HookyBob, we will be doing the “guess the Thrashers point total” contest. But, we haven’t even had training camp yet. Guesses for that should start in a few weeks. All guess would be due by “puck drop” on Opening Night, for the Thrashers. And not, say, for when the NHL starts in Europe. Last year’s (2010) winner was Pam on Weck, with her guess of 83-points, 3rd in SE division, and 11th in the Conference. Good job, Pam on Weck! The 2009 winner, via breakbreaker, was Don. Note: Glovesave29 also had the correct guess of 76-points, but “division rank” gave the edge to Don. I have forgotten who won the 2008 contest.
HookyBob
August 28th, 2010
5:39 pm
So, in so many (gentle) words, I guess Brendan is calling me “anxious.”
I agree. Kracker’s link to “Caps Insider” (on Viv’s blog) got me wondering if we’ll break 90 points this year,…and so I was attempting to gauge what Mr Tiller’s braintrust thought. So,..to be direct,..who sees us making the 90 points in 2010-11?
One other thing on the Caps Insider I liked was Duds comments about us having more “grit” this year. If you know anything about sandpaper,…I’d say we have moved from 180 to 100 on the grit scale. Love it,…. absolutely love it.
When thinking about Big Buf up front, or on D,…. maybe one factor we should consider is who we’d rather see him “crunching.” He couldn’t crunch Mat Cooke, Steve Downie or Dan Carcillo enough for me,.. but I sure have savored his crunch on ole Pronger last spring. Who would you like to see him crunch the most?
I’d forgotten about the total salary on opening night contest. Anyway, folks start formulating your best guesses. Training camp and opening night are rapidly approaching (but still not fast enough).
kracker
August 28th, 2010
5:56 pm
” If you know anything about sandpaper,…I’d say we have moved from 180 to 100 on the grit scale.” — I agree w/ HookyBob there. That alone is probably worth a half-dozen points over last season’s club. That’s assuming that in all other respects we can match last year’s club. Not sure on that yet, the scoring looks thin and who knows how the D will come together.
Hokie P. Clisters
August 28th, 2010
9:14 pm
Zubs signs for 625,000 NHL or 65,000 AHL. That’s a huge paycut if he lands down with the wolves. That seems to be a strange contract for a Russian player. He’s either really good or overly confident. I know he wants to play in the NHL but….. anyway, I like the guy for having the guts to sign a contract like that. Can/will he void his contract if he gets sent down to wolves?
Does anyone know what his KHL salary was?
Rawhide
August 28th, 2010
9:38 pm
Rawhide, did you want to have a “Guess the Opening Night Budget” contest this year?
Bredan – Yes…you have my official Okee-Dokee to start taking predictions. If I may be able to offer a suggestion, though…make gapgeek.com the source for the official cap number on opening day. That’ll be the number that we’ll use to settle the winner.
Sooooooooo,..is it too soon to make point predictions for the upcoming season??? Call me anxious if you want.
HookyBob – OK…you’re anxious.
However, we will do a “Guess the Thrashers Total Points” contest just before the season starts. Gotta see what the final roster is first.
Brendan
August 28th, 2010
11:01 pm
Well, if I’m reading capgeek.com correctly, http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=7, as of August 28, 2010, the Atlanta Thrashers’ cap hit is sitting at $43,716,666, which includes $4,7000 in potential bonuses (Bogosian, Kane, and would include Burmistrov’s, if he makes the team). There are some other things you should know. This cap reflects 20 signed players. The Thrashers may have a roster of as many as 23 players. So, factor that possibility into your guess.
Note: This figure DOES CONTAIN salaries for Freddy Meyer ($600,000), and Patrick Rissmiller ($1 million), as well as the buyout of Donald Brashear ($1.4 million). It DOES NOT, however, have salaries for Paul Postma, Kulda, or Bergfors, or Klingberg, Machacek or Holzapfel. Per capgeek.com, we have $20,138,334 in cap space. The maximum guess is the cap limit of $54.9 million. The minimum guess is $43.4 million. Again, currently, per capgeek.com, we’re at $43,716,666 in salary cap payroll. And, that’s important to note. If you’re someone who is taking this contest, perhaps, too seriously, and you start adding up ACTUAL PAYROLL, this isn’t a contest about ACTUAL PAYROLL. It is about the salary cap payroll. I can’t stress that enough. Every team in the league has to operate within the same parameters of SALARY CAP PAYROLL. Several teams spend MORE than the salary cap in ACTUAL PAYROLL, in any given year. That is permitted, so long as their salary cap payroll conforms to the CBA. And no, there will NOT be any retroactive 9-game auditions factored into the contest. In other words, whatever capgeek.com says is our cap hit when the puck drops on our season, then that’s what we use. “It is what it is at the TIME that it is.”
A-hem, however … the point of the contest, strangely enough, is NOT to win the contest. If you find yourself in the camp that is ARGUING over whether your guess was the closest, you missed the point, ENTIRELY, of the exercise. So, I shall state the point of the contest, so that you KNOW … BEFORE you ever submit your guess. The whole, entire point of the contest … is to show you what kind of ownership we have and how committed they are to icing a winner. I think it’s fair to say that budget is an indicator of intent, even though we know that, in the past, before the salary cap was ever born, that teams spent $88 million-a-season in payroll while missing the playoffs for seven-straight years (NY Rangers, 1998-2004). If you’re not comfortable submitting a guess to such a contest/exercise, then don’t. Free will applies. This is something we do for fun, as a discussion group that loves the Thrashers, including their foibles, with a good sense of humor. Participation is optional. Even if you hate the ownership, or the management, you should at least feel a sense of optimisim, and new direction, for the upcoming season, playoffs or no playoffs.
Brendan
August 28th, 2010
11:29 pm
Rawhide, how does September 20, 2010, sound for a deadline for guesses? Also, do you want to make this a “one guess, no revisions of the guess” exercise? In other words, you cannot guess $43.9 million, then change it on September 19, 2010, to $49 million, to reflect the latest roster cuts/changes? In the past, we allowed posters to change their guesses as often as they liked, without being ridiculous about it. (4-5 changes.) Want to go with a “one guess, only” approach this year?
Ummn, I guess we should also state that Atlanta Spirit, LLC employees, or anyone else having “unfair, insider advantage” knowledge about the budget is eligible for guesses that count in the contest/exercise.
Oh, and finally, of course, R.Stroztradamus … will be the only poster allowed to make a guess … AFTER … puck drop of Opening Night. But the catch is … he has to be correct with his contest entry. I think R.Strozatradamus would agree to these terms and conditions.
Budder
August 29th, 2010
8:43 am
HookyBob said…Who would you like to see him [Byfuglien] crunch the most?
Let me be first in line to nominate Eight – Alex the Great – Ovechkin, who desperately needs to learn that cheap shots will earn you a target on your back.
Rhythmpenguin
August 29th, 2010
8:56 am
HookyBob said…Who would you like to see him [Byfuglien] crunch the most?
Definitely should be Cindy Crotchby.
Red Light
August 29th, 2010
9:02 am
Brendan: This might come a shock, but the Devils would never make that deal. Zajac is 25, has missed just two games in four NHL seasons, is a fine two-way player, improves every year and is coming off his best season. He is a decent value.
All the Devils have to do for cap relief is the same thing the Rangers and others are likely to do, waive a high-paid vet (Rolston) and send them to the AHL.
Rightshot
August 29th, 2010
9:05 am
Excuse me for chiming in so late. Could Duds be talking with Stepniak incase the negations with Bergy falls though? just curious.
Red Light
August 29th, 2010
9:10 am
Tampa Bay is going to be tough to handle this season barring injuries. I know this blog says it’s all about their poor goaltending, but their roster is very much improved over last season. I look for them to make a huge jump in the standings and for Yzerman to extend Stamkos’ contract (RFA) during the season.
Carolina needs to sign one more forward. Sound familiar?
Red Light
August 29th, 2010
9:31 am
Bergfors will sign. Just a matter of when and for how long.
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
9:48 am
I agree with R/L, Bergie will be here opening night.
$50M has always been my opening night budget, I stand by this number. Stempniak remains unsigned by everyone, which means value assessment differs from all the GMs around the league.
Rhythmpenguin
August 29th, 2010
10:02 am
Red Light, why do you think Bergfors sighing is a definite?
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
11:21 am
Rhy-there has been no indication from Bergfors’ camp that he doesn’t want to play here. Term (years) does not seem to be an issue. The issue is the value of the player, whether it be for the lenghth of the deal or on a per season basis. I am certain Dudley does not want to overvalue the player, making it difficult for future negotiations with other players. Overvalue=Brian Campbell. Chicago was lucky to get Seabrooke and Keith in deals, working around the bad contract given to Campbell. Dudley wants to avoid this with Bergfors.
DWTOO
August 29th, 2010
1:16 pm
Rather than waste time doing yard work think I’ll be part of this serious discussion. Outside of holding his breath until he turns blue what options does Bergie have? Overseas? Probably not. Aslo don’t think we’ll see any moves until into training camp. Give the youngs a chance before looking to the outside.
R. Stroz
August 29th, 2010
1:48 pm
Outside of holding his breath until he turns blue
I think we have finally discovered what Believe in Blueland really means.
Brendan
August 29th, 2010
1:53 pm
Red Light, I think you’re right, re: Bergfors for Zajac. But do Rolston, Zubrus, and Elias have “no movement clauses?” If so, they can’t be stashed in the AHL, or “loaned overseas.” If you’re the Devils, you really don’t want to do Zajac for Bergfors. I agree completely. We don’t really know what Kovalchuk just got, in terms of salary. Isn’t the 48 hours up yet????
DWTOO, Bergfors will eventually come to his sense and sign his qualifying offer, unless Atlanta offers more than that. Otherwise, he has to hold out until December 1, 2010. And that hurts not just the Thrashers, it hurts him, too. By that point, he can’t hit his numbers for the year. He’s not playing in any competitive games. In short, he’s got to sign with Atlanta, barring an RFA offersheet. Or, play overseas this season.
Brendan
August 29th, 2010
1:57 pm
R.Stoz, I’m tempted to nominate your latest offering as a “Comment of the Year.” But I won’t, because that one won’t win it. I’m sure you’ll have doozies during the year that top it. Stroz, have you AGREED to the terms and conditions of the Budget contest? You’re required to post your guess, AFTER puck drop, and be accurate about it.
WBF, you’re registered at $50.0 million for the “Opening Night Buget Contest.” I’ll go with … $51.4 million. Even these owners have to get within $8 million of the cap, even if $4,700 of that cap figure is nothing but bonuses for Kane and Bogosian.
R. Stroztradamus
August 29th, 2010
2:41 pm
Brendan – Those are most excellent terms and conditions.
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
3:02 pm
I really think the Devils are screwed, but I am sure Lou has something up his sleeve. Used to think Lou was the best, but this process of trying to sneak Kovy in the back door sticks. I have lost all respect for Lou-he’s a dirt bag.
kracker
August 29th, 2010
4:14 pm
Bergfors won’t sign anything close to his qualifying offer, nor would he be offered anything like that. A QO, as I understand it, is largely a formality performed by the team by a certain date that serves to say, in essence, that the team has an interest in retaining the negotiating rights with this player. No QO says bye, bye, you may leave now. Nobody expects a player of Bergfors’ caliber to seriously be offered an amount equal to his last season’s salary + 10%. That would be a huge insult and would surely drive him overseas.
I may have it all wrong but any young player that accepts his QO already knows he is a fringe player and knows he will likely always be one. The kind of player that, as a FA, is just happy to play most anywhere as long as it is on a one-way contract. I suppose a late developing D-man or goalie could be an exception….or a very late developing forward.
Just my 2 cents and it may be worth less.
HookyBob
August 29th, 2010
4:39 pm
Many recent articles, and posts, indicate the Devils will be looking for a trading partner if Kovy’s revised contract is approved. Rumors are it will be.
Devils, potentially on the trading block (ranked by age) are as follows:
Rolston, age 37, $5M through June 2012
Arnott, age 35, $4.5M through June 2011
Langenbrunner, age 34, $2.8M through June 2011
Elias, age 34, $5M through June 2013
Salvador, age 34, $2.9M through June 2012
Zubris,age 32, $3.4 through June 2013
White, age 32, $3 M through June 2012
Clarkson, age 26, $3M, through 2013
Zajac, age 25, $4.5M +/-, through 2013
Parise, age 25, is still a RFA at end of contract and not thought to be on the trading block.
If I were Lou,…trading Zajic would be plan “D” at best. So do we have any interest in the others on the list? Would acquiring Salvador allow Buf to play forward? Would Langenbrunner be a good pick up for one year? Langs is cheap, a UFA after the season, and tough (In my opinion,… no soft players come out of the Mesabi area), and could provide great leadership intangibles. Could you see going after these two Devils? Who do we have, that has a low cap hit, that the Devils might be interested in?
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
5:32 pm
kracker, I believe you are correct especially in your statement about Bergie not signing for anything close to his qualifying offer. I hope he signs soon.
Hooky-makes you wonder why the Devs went out an acquired Arnott. Another old guy past his prime, near the end of the line and overpaid for what he can contribute.
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
5:38 pm
Oh, almost forgot-if the Thrashers cannot sign Bill Guerin, then sign Scott Walker. Similar kinda player
Thrashers27
August 29th, 2010
6:15 pm
Anybody seen any info on the Traverse City tourney for this year?
kracker
August 29th, 2010
6:24 pm
C Viv said in his blog awhile back that that the Thrashers are not participating in the Traverse City tournament this year. Or maybe there is no rookie tournament there this year, I can’t remember which.
kracker
August 29th, 2010
7:14 pm
Thank you, World. I am sure I am over-simplyfying the RFA QOs as interest in and plans for a young player can vary widely. My main point was that Bergy will sign for a nice amount and tendering QOs are a step the club must take. Wasn’t it last year that the ‘Hawks got into a difficult situation by missing the date for QO filings? Er, make that two points…
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
8:02 pm
kracker, I just hope he signs for years!
kracker
August 29th, 2010
9:18 pm
Me too!If something is indeed being built here then there is a good chance he will want to stick around.
Brendan
August 29th, 2010
9:32 pm
Look, I’m sure the Thrashers are offering Bergfors more than his qualifying offer. At least, they should. I honestly have no idea what overtures they’ve made, in terms of a firm offer. But if Atlanta simply doesn’t make any contractual overtures beyond that of the qualifying offer, then it sends Bergfors overseas to play, unless he’d actually be willing to ACCEPT his qualifying offer. If that’s what’s really happening, it’s a total embarrassment. But, I don’t think even these owners are behaving this badly. I’m sure there’s some form of legitimate offer that the Thrashers have made to Bergfors. Again, I have NO IDEA what it is … but … apparently … it’s NOT ENOUGH.
Sometimes, though certainly not always, a contractual stumbling block can be immediately overcome by splitting the difference in offers. I’m not sure that would work in this particular case. I have no idea how self-aggrandizing Bergfors’ agent’s expectations are.
Brendan
August 29th, 2010
9:37 pm
I suppose I should add, “or how cheap Dudley is trying to be.”
On the NHL Network, they’ve just aired Game Six of the Flyers vs. Bruins, and are now airing Game Seven. This series was historic in that it reflected only the 3rd time in NHL history that a club overcame a 3-0 series deficit. You might want to record it.
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
9:52 pm
I still think it’s an example of a player valuing himself different than how his club values him. In addition, Dudley has to gauge this contract up against future deals. What is Bergfors ability to score compared to other players that will come up for contracts on the near future? This is still a low budget team until we can win fans back and raise revenues. That’s how I see it.
World Be Free
August 29th, 2010
9:56 pm
Sam Gagnier resigned with Edmonton for 2 years
Hokie P. Clisters
August 29th, 2010
10:26 pm
Bergfors is in a better situation in ATL (as compared to NJ) and he knows it! He will have plenty of big bodies in front of the net and that should make his goal production increase to 25 +. Bergfors is probably not sold on long term with ATL just like Laddy. Is it more lack of money or our storied history blocking these long term deals? I don’t know – but cycling good players is not a productive recipe.
Duds doesn’t want to overpay for anybody but unfortunately most teams don’t operate that way. You have to be a genuis GM with an expert draft/scouting team to pull that off consistently AND win. However, there are some teams that manage to do this. I wonder if we currently have any players that Duds is willing to overpay for to keep? My guess is NO. Is Duds a genuis GM? We’ll find out soon enough….
js
August 29th, 2010
11:04 pm
The Macarthur signing shows what a farce the arbitration system is. He signs for less than half of what he was awarded?
Hokie P. Clisters
August 29th, 2010
11:10 pm
MacArthur – I shall return to arbitrate again.
R. Stroztradamus
August 30th, 2010
7:19 am
I predict Stempniak will re-sign a two year deal with Phoenix.
kracker
August 30th, 2010
7:30 am
How do you do it, Stroz???
DaveDavisHockey Buffalo native Lee Stempniak signs with Phoenix #Coyotes for 2 years/$3.5M
That is a lot less than was being talked about. Two years at 4-something to come here doesn’t sound too high for him.
kracker
August 30th, 2010
8:10 am
NEW YORK POST: Mark Everson reports “rumors are floating” Travis Zajac could be amongst the players the Devils might sacrifice to get under the salary cap should the latest proposed contract for Ilya Kovalchuk be approved by the league. Everson suggests conventional wisdom suggests defenseman Bryce Salvador and center Dainius Zubrus are the obvious candidates.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: Zajac would be considerably more attractive to rival teams than Zubrus and Salvador but I doubt Devils management intend to move him. If GM Lou Lamoriello is unable to move significant salary via trade he’ll probably go the demotion route. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s done that (hello there, Dan McGillis).
Red Light
August 30th, 2010
8:43 am
Stempniak “settles” for a 2-year deal at $1.75 million per year. At that price, he is much more attractive than the numbers bounced around here. So, the moral of the story is that no team is willing to overpay for anyone at this point, which means there are some great “values” remaining. Gagner’s deal was reportedly for two years with a cap hit of $2.275, which is $108k less than what Bryan Little received.
Bergfors’ cap hit was reportedly $818,333 last season, when he had 21 goals and 23 assists. If logic prevails, he should get twice that amount this year. So, lets say he signs for $1.65 million, $2.35 million and $2.5 million for the next 3 seasons, that would be a $2.166 million cap hit per year, and he’d still be an RFA at the conclusion of the deal. Seems like that might not be enough to appease the Bergfors’ camp, because of the entry level bonuses that are being paid to Kane and Bogo. That’s probably why the deal isn’t quite as easy to complete as we think it should be.
Still, RFA options are limited and he could easily sign another one-year deal and let his season do the talking for him, which is still a gamble unless he puts up similar or better numbers than last season. I think we’re looking at a future arbitration candidate if Dudley can’t get a long-term deal signed.
“rumors are floating” on Zajac. Maybe so, but this won’t strictly be a salary dump kind of deal. The Devils will get a lot in return if he’s dealt.
World Be Free
August 30th, 2010
8:52 am
I just don’t see Lou shopping Zajac. He has an aging team and does not need to get rid of an under 30 year old piece of his future. I think the Devils will deal with their cap issues through demotion. The contract he gave Zubrus was just plain silly.
Stempniak gets the kind of contract he deserves for taking “time off” during the last 3 seasons, concentrating the final 1/3 of last season. I am glad he found a home.
Smoothie
August 30th, 2010
8:58 am
Look, Duds gave Lits $2.38 M per year despite legit questions about his ability to produce consistently. There is very little difference b/w Bergfors and Sam Gagner ($2.25 / year) at this point. Hornqvist was overpaid cuz Poile caved early. Duds probably won’t blink first.
Bergy gets $2.25 M, maybe $2.35 per year or he plays in Russia (doubtful). I’m pretty sure transfer agreements preclude RFAs from playing in other leagues unless granted permission.
Bergy doesn’t have as much leverage as his agent thinks he does. I still think we should slap a RFA on James Neal. Worse case is Dallas matches and Bergy blinks first cuz he’ll see Duds aint’ screwing around with an unproven 23y y/o.
GaVaHokie
August 30th, 2010
9:07 am
While I always had a feeling that Stempniak was giving Phoenix every opportunity to keep him, and that he’d eventually sign there, I can’t believe how cheaply… great for Phoenix.