MacArthur may not return

First of all…I’ll apologize upfront for the title of today’s blog. But given C-Viv’s recent report, I figured there was only a limited amount of time left to dispose of all of the Gen. MacArthur quips…as well as other referrences to his name… that I could.

Clarke MacArthur, seen here against Antero Niittymaki, scored 3 goals and 6 assists and was a -2 with the Thrashers last spring (AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)

Clarke MacArthur, seen here against Antero Niittymaki, scored 3 goals and 6 assists and was a -2 with the Thrashers last spring (AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)

According to Vivlamore’s post, C-Mac’s arbitration hearing is set for tomorrow. And if a decision is rendered to award the 25-year old forward $2 million-plus for the upcoming season, the Thrashers will likely allow him to walk. This would then turn the RFA into a UFA, freeing him to seek another NHL team to fork over that type of money for his services.

Now, that sum might sound like a pretty heft amount to keep a third or fourth-line winger around, but put yourself in Clarke’s skates for a moment. I mean, shouldn’t your 16 goals, 19 assists and -16 rating be worth at least $2 million if Todd White’s 7 goals, 19 assist and -11 showing is still worth $2.4 mil to keep around?

Well…?

Regardless, I’d have to say if I were in Rick Dudley’s position I would balk at that price too. Especially if I could take that lettuce and toss it at someone like Maxim Afinogenov in attempt to get him to re-sign here. After all, 24 goals and 27 assists is a lot better return for $2 million clams.

At least it’s an adequate reward for the offensive production he provided for just $800,000.

Given all that, it’s more than justified for Dudley and Co. to leave the offer on the arbitration table and let MacArthur park himself on another team’s roster if he’s able…or just fade away.

sigh…OK, I think I’m done here.

58 comments Add your comment

Zombie Steve

July 20th, 2010
1:58 pm

R. Stroz

July 20th, 2010
2:00 pm

MacArthur reminded me of a younger Todd White.

The arbitrator must be into toilet paper.

Waste of 3rd and 4th round draft picks though.

World Be Free

July 20th, 2010
2:02 pm

Save the money for Max-sorry to repost an earlier comment, but we cannot commit this $$$ to Clarke. Or put it towards Stepniak or Frolov-J/F’s suggested players. I would take either player.

Joe Friday

July 20th, 2010
2:08 pm

WBF, from the other blog, yeah it was probably Dudley that brought him in but you take your swings and sometimes you miss. I am more than willing to give Duds a pass on that one, it’s the fool me 287 times that Waddell pulled that gets my ire up.

Bye MacArthur, totally support letting him walk. I would really like to see Ladd inked for 2 or 3 years before arb and then Frolov brought in and let’s run with it. Keep the boys in the mix until deadline time and use whatever budget is left over to get some help to make a playoff run at that time.

Russ

July 20th, 2010
2:10 pm

The forwards are fine as they stand right now IMO. The goaltending will be adequate. The weak link is the blueline. The extra money should have already been used to keep Kubina. Maybe he was set on going back to Tampa, but I find it hard to believe he would have turned down ,say, $12-15 mil for 3 years compared to what he got from the Lightning. For a team that struggles to reach the salary floor each year, this wouldn’t have been a huge overpayment for a legitimate top line defender either.

thebigharybeast

July 20th, 2010
2:11 pm

I shall return?

puckedup

July 20th, 2010
2:11 pm

Biggest loss is the 2 picks. What worries me is the amount of picks that have been sent elsewhere. This franchise is not deep enough to be throwing picks around in bad trades where the player is gone in one or two years.

Side topic. . . Anyone else looking at that Tampa lineup with a little more worry. Yes the goal tending still seems a bit weak. D is a little better. But yeesh, they are going to be machine gunning quality shots on goal. Although I do get a little giddy thinking of Buff putting St Louis through the boards. But I digress.

Darkhorse

July 20th, 2010
2:13 pm

Out of curiosity, does the same arbitrator handle all the cases, or a different guy for each players case?

DWTOO

July 20th, 2010
2:20 pm

Can we put him on a submarine and haul his posterior to Australia like good old Dugout Doug? He shall not return!

Tom

July 20th, 2010
2:21 pm

Stroz

So My guess is that Todd White is Charmin Basic, the original.

So what does that make McArthur? Charmin Ultra Strong, Ultra Soft, Sensitive, or a Freshmate?

R. Stroz

July 20th, 2010
2:35 pm

Tom – Based on MacArthur’s age, Freshmate.

Rawhide

July 20th, 2010
2:39 pm

Holy crap! First it was NBC Sports linking to my previous writeup. Now it’s the Huffington Post!

I’d consider asking my online editor for a raise…but 5% of nuthin’ is still nuthin’.

Tom – I’d say Charmin Ultra Strong…simply because if indeed he does depart, he really leaves nothing behind to show for his time here.

Alan R.

July 20th, 2010
2:51 pm

Congratulations, Randy Cunneyworth, newest head coach of the Hamilton Bulldogs

R. Stroz

July 20th, 2010
2:54 pm

Has anyone hired Steve Weeks yet?

kracker

July 20th, 2010
3:01 pm

I say without question, Rawhide deserves the 5% raise!

Midfield

July 20th, 2010
3:13 pm

Paul the prophet Octopus has been appointed the arbitrator.

World Be Free

July 20th, 2010
3:15 pm

Joe-yeah we will give him a pass, but I thought he would know more about MacArthur since I believe Duds still spends time in Buffalo. I do know Sabres’ fans were happy he was gone. Now we are too-he’s a good AHL player.

Alan R-thanks for the news on Cunney. I met him that the Kiss concert last year, had a good talk with him. Happened right ater Kovy was hurt. Too bad he has to be in Hamilton-the scum city of Canada.

Rawhide

July 20th, 2010
3:16 pm

Midfield:lol: LOL!! Well played, sir…

glovesave29

July 20th, 2010
3:54 pm

At least Charmin is useful…(the product, not the player). I think of MacArthur as the equivalent of having one of those paper toilet seat cover dispeners in your own bathroom…utterly useless.

Badger Bob

July 20th, 2010
4:53 pm

Perfect, MF!

Wasting 2 picks for the General is not good. But I’m glad to see Duds not trying to paper that over by claiming Mac is worth more than what we’ve seen and signing him above his market value. Some of those previous Thrashers GMs might have tried that.

And by the way, Mr. Artibrator, if Ilya Kovalchuk is only worth $550,000 per season, then MacC deserves minimum wage ;) .

Badger Bob

July 20th, 2010
5:07 pm

Other Thrasher arbitration hearing dates:
Ladd 7/29
Eager 8/3

I believe the Thrashers have 48 hours from the latest hearing date to accept or reject arbitration amount, so that could be as late as August 5 if they don’t settle with Ladd or Eager before then.

Alan R.

July 20th, 2010
5:10 pm

As per Ben’s twitter, it sounds like they’re not going to allow vuvuzelas. It looks like they’re going to use the “disruptive to the event presentation, performance or game” clause under “Fan Conduct” on this page to enforce it..

Badger Bob

July 20th, 2010
5:11 pm

Other notable dates:

Wheeler: July 27
Fleischmann: July 28
Niemi: July 29

EB

July 20th, 2010
5:27 pm

No way I’d pay him that type of money after his output for us. Can’t believe we once again wasted a whole lot for this guy. I have to believe Dudley is going to put a stop to getting players like this who come on board and after one good game goes into hiding for the rest of the season. I’d much rather see a youngster like Klingberg come up and underachieve before paying CM that kind of money!

Rawhide

July 20th, 2010
5:31 pm

As per Ben’s twitter, it sounds like they’re not going to allow vuvuzelas. It looks like they’re going to use the “disruptive to the event presentation, performance or game” clause under “Fan Conduct” on this page to enforce it..

Alan R. – Good.

Badger Bob

July 20th, 2010
5:45 pm

Here’s a twisted way to get to $2M for CMac: the offer sheet compensation. A player with an offer sheet salary of $1M to 1.5M requires a third round pick as compensation. Working that in reverse, someone the Thrashers themselves determined to be worth a 3rd and 4th rounder should equate to a salary of about $2M. In other words, could the Thrashers have cooked their own arbitration goose by overpaying for CMac when they traded for him?

Either way, spend that and another mil bringing in Max/Poni/Stemp… and lock up Ladd, Little and Bergie beyond their first UFA-eligible year. I’m still more worried about our O-fence than our D.

five hole

July 20th, 2010
6:01 pm

Congrats for moving up in the world, Bill. Does it bother you to get noteriety from a left wing blog?

With regards to CMac; so? I never thought he was the second coming of anything, anyway. There’s plenty of wingers that can claim a spot; either a veteran (is Max still available? We could move someone else down a line) or a kid from Chicago.

I do love the fact that Kovy $crewed the pooch. He ended up with $6.4 mil per, instead of the $10 mil per that we offered him.

Brendan

July 20th, 2010
6:07 pm

So, MacArthur will be the 1st time the Atlanta Thrashers ever took a player to arbitration? Hope they at least prepare for it. Even if it is to walk away. Atlanta should at least try to trade MacArthur, to salvage something. Take “future considerations.” Then again, it’s pretty hard to convince some other GM that he cannot get MacArthur out on the open market. That the bidding war will be “too intense” for MacArthur Park.

Nobody has ever discussed this topic, as far as I know, but once MacArthur is a UFA, why can’t Atlanta re-engage at less than the arbitrator’s award? I cite the case of J.P. Dumont, when he was a Sabre. Buffalo and Dumont couldn’t come to terms. They went to salary arbitration. The Arbitrator awarded $2.5 million. Buffalo walked away. J.P. Dumont then signed for $2.1 million with the Nashville Predators. What “prevented” the Sabres from signing Dumont at $2.2 million, $300,000 less than the arbitrator’s decision? He would up signing for $400,000 less, anyway, and wouldn’t have had to leave Buffalo?

Okay, look. I hear ya. If Dumont just wanted to leave, then he was free to sign anywhere that wanted, so long as they team wanted him, as well. What I’m asking here is … if the arbitrator says $2.0 million. The Thrashers say, “Not gonna match that.” Why stops Atlanta from offering $1.65 million and landing MacArthur at that price, if that’s the best offer Clark MacArthur gets? I’m just asking a question.

Red Light

July 20th, 2010
6:08 pm

I had to share this with you all. NYRangers Tweeted the following about a new post: “There’s no “off” in the off-season for #NYR GM Glen Sather”

To which I replied: “Maybe not, but ‘off-decade’ has a particular ring to it!

Red Light

July 20th, 2010
6:15 pm

No Traverse City for the Thrashers this season. Wonder why?

five hole

July 20th, 2010
6:24 pm

Brendan my guess (and that’s all I got) would be that the arbitrator is establishing a level of market value for him (or any player). I would think of it as an auction, where the (barker? caller?) guy running the show tries to establish a minimum price. If there is interest at that price, the bidding increases. If however, there is no bidding at that price (and the owner of the object allows it), the (whatever he’s called) guy can lower the starting price.

Obviously, if McArthur has his value set by the arbitrator at $2 mil, and no team is willing to take him at that price, and he still wants to play in the NHL, he’s going to lower his price until some team wants him. Why stops Atlanta from offering $1.65 million and landing MacArthur at that price, if that’s the best offer Clark MacArthur gets? As I understand things, nothing.

World Be Free

July 20th, 2010
6:40 pm

Brendan-what prevented Buffalo from going back and resigning JP Dumont?
Answer-Darcy Regier, The Village Idiot.

FYI-this week, I ripped into Sabre ownership on the Buffalo News – Sabres Edge blog and my post was removed in about 15 minutes. Say what you want about the AJC, but at least our posts remain as long as they are clean.

Bluenote

July 20th, 2010
6:44 pm

We’ll never have the recipe again…..oh noooooooooooo

I think Rawhide deserves a 10% raise and a lifetime supply of Lucky Charms

World Be Free

July 20th, 2010
6:55 pm

As brilliant as Lou Lam may be in the Kovy deal, now comes the real hard part-getting under the salary cap. Lou will get calls on Zajac, White and Lagenbrunner-Lou will want to keep these guys. In truth, NJ would like to dump undesireable players like Brian Rolston, Dainius Zubrus and Bryce Salvador. Where does Elias fit in their plans?

Have fun Lou-your summer vacation will be short.

Darren

July 20th, 2010
7:13 pm

Red Light – Atlanta will be in Traverse City again, along with NYR, DET, CAR, CLB, DAL, STL, and MIN from September 11-15

R. Stroz

July 20th, 2010
7:24 pm

I now have an elongated bullhorn.

HookyBob

July 20th, 2010
7:25 pm

Rawhide…Methinks your national exposure is well deserved. Perhaps you could take the AJC to arbitration. Or,…since this attention can only be good for the Thrashers,..perhaps they could acknowledge the fine work you do for their fans and anti-up. (Not holding breath.)

Did not post on last blog but was thinking that,even though he’s been gone for 5 months, Ilya remains a distraction. As noted in the earlier blog I’m glad we didn’t “have a dog in that fight.” Whether the Devils are winners or losers remains to be seen. Illya is exciting, but is he a big factor in winning hockey games?

And the blog before that,..I’d have to go with a favorite songwriter who penned the line “He’s partly truth and partly fiction,…a walking contradiction. Taking every wrong turn on his lonely way home.” over both the Beatles and Stones. Hard to believe it is pushing 30 years since Lennon was gunned down.

I was thinking Ilya was a traffic jam in the remaining free agents signing. So I was a bit disappointed when none of the “other UFAs” signed today. Hopefully Duds is negotiating for a forward, either UFA or a trade.

Does anyone have an interest in an offer sheet for Marc Staal (if it isn’t too late)? I know the Rangers played hardball with Dubinsky with his RFA contract last year,…and I’d be surprised if they aren’t up against the cap. Gotta think that would help our blueliners and seeing Marc go against Eric 6 Xs a year has got to be a draw.

“Brendan-what prevented Buffalo from going back and resigning JP Dumont?
Answer-Darcy Regier, The Village Idiot.” WBF,…I wish you would quite sugar-coating things and speak your mind.

Stroz: Perhaps those collapsable vuvuzuelas may have been worth the extra $10.

R. Stroz

July 20th, 2010
7:33 pm

HookyBob – My elongated bullhorn collapes in half.

Tom Lysiak

July 20th, 2010
9:13 pm

“My elongated bullhorn collapses in half.”

Stroz- not speaking from experience here, but they supposedly have implants to help with that.

Alan R.

July 20th, 2010
9:35 pm

The NHL has rejected the Kovalchuk contract, based on the grounds that it circumvents the salary cap.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=328025

Rawhide

July 20th, 2010
9:46 pm

Holy $#!%!!!!!

Adam

July 20th, 2010
9:49 pm

Joe Friday, like I said yesterday, I guess those 2 extra years were too much for little lord Font Leroy Bettman & the board of Gov’s.

No magic this time for sweet Lou…

R. Stroztradamus

July 20th, 2010
9:55 pm

Who is the MAN? (Thumping Chest Like An Undisciplined Athlete)

Who called for this?

Bettman MANNED UP to Nasty Lou and showed him who was the boss.

Joe Bob Friday – Grossman and Nasty Lou just earned the booby prize.

And the drama continues….and R. Stroz was RIGHT. (Blowing Vuvuzela in Delight)

R. Stroz

July 20th, 2010
9:56 pm

Alan R.

July 20th, 2010
10:00 pm

This is too good. I almost feel like I’m sitting in front of a TV right now, watching a “suspense-comedy” movie. Hey Stroz, mind passing the popcorn?

kracker

July 20th, 2010
10:15 pm

LOL Sleazy Lou just gor B slapped. Grossman, too. I mean they made the last 6 years just so ridiculous Betteman had to act. $98.5 for the first 11 years, then $3.5 for the remaining 6 years??? What kind of fools do they take the rest of the league to be??

I’d say the champagne is souring in “Sweet” Lou’s stomach tonight! What a doofus.

kracker

July 20th, 2010
10:17 pm

I hate the architecture of this website. Ya type and submit…ya get nothing.

World Be Free

July 20th, 2010
10:19 pm

No comment on the Kovy contract-as others have stated, time to talk Thrashers hockey. Kovy will get his money anyway.

Hooky-Buffalo is a great hockey town. They deserve better than what they are getting from Regier and ownership. Stepniak would give them a real hometown discount and they will still pass on him. And we think we have it bad-they fill the rink every night and get a crap team. Miller will run out of patience soon and ask to be traded.

World Be Free

July 20th, 2010
10:26 pm

And to Rawhide-
Congratulations on the national exsposure. You run the best blog in hockey, keep it up.

FYI-Buffalo blogs were giving me a hard time on our lack of fans in the stands. I told them we had 220 posts in 4.5 hours on Kovy yesterday while they had 23 on their blog. They were quiet after that! This is a hockey town.

Flames

July 20th, 2010
10:27 pm

I love it! What is Grossman going to do now? Kovy big day isn’t so big anymore.