Afinogenov can’t get no satisfaction

Recently Maxim Afinogenov was quoted by Dmitry Chesnoklov via twitter as saying, “I wouldn’t mind staying in Atlanta but the current offers from the team are unsatisfactory”.

To date Afinogenov has been unsuccessful in getting the Atlanta Thrashers or any other NHL team to offer a deal he’s willing to accept. And even though the soon-to-be 31-year old Russian forward isn’t quite to the point of being Too Proud to Beg, he has made known he’s willing to consider re-signing with the Thrashers. But the two sides are still yet to make a Connection.

Maxim Afinogenov reacts after scoring a late-game goal against the Boston Bruins last November as a former Thrasher looks to join in the celebration (AP Photo/John Amis)

Maxim Afinogenov reacts after scoring a late-game goal against the Boston Bruins last November. A former Thrasher looks to join in the celebration (AP Photo/John Amis)

Because of that, two weeks after the beginning of UFA signing season began, Max still Can’t Find No Satisfaction.

Last season Afinogenov netted a career-high 24 goals while in Thrasher blue and his 61 overall points matched his second highest total. But if there is a knock on Max, it’s that he still has issues with doing the Dirty Work in the defensive zone as he was Down in a Hole with a –17 rating last year. Only Zach Bogosian’s –18 was worse.

However, he’s certainly not alone in that regards as most Thrashers rosters have been prone to leave goalies crying out “Gimme Shelter”!

There were many last summer who said his skills would leave us High and Dry during the campaign…that his playing style would cause us to suffer our 19th Nervous Breakdown. “Don’t Cry to Me when he spins in circles, toe drags the puck only to lose it before shooting”, they told us.

But I think he really did put together a rather solid season last year…Honest I Do.

True, there were Good Times/Bad Times last season with Max…but to me, he gave a great effort in last winter’s campaign. Many times he would come to our Emotional Rescue by scoring a goal late in the third to win a game, or tie the score and send it to overtime. His speed often has him barreling toward the goal Like a Rolling Stone where he would then position himself with the puck and Let it Loose on goal. And while the playoffs eluded this Thrashers team yet again, he helped them win some very exciting game, although sometimes were found Winning Ugly ones too.

Now the last I heard, Rick Dudley and the Thrashers had offered Afinogenov another one-year deal…the dollars and cents I do not know. So apparently what Max is looking for is a contract that spans multiple years. That doesn’t have to mean Dudley and Co. need to wrap him up for a Long Long Time necessarily… but two or three at the least wouldn’t be too much to ask.

Certainly, re-signing Max wouldn’t be the Biggest Mistake the organization has ever made.

Would you like to see Afinogenov re-sign with the Thrashers?

  • YES! It's Not Easy landing a talent like that! (50%, 152 Votes)
  • Maybe - As long as the Money is right (47%, 141 Votes)
  • NO! It would be the Biggest Mistake Dudley could make! (3%, 9 Votes)

Total Voters: 302

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But if the Thrashers are still interested in retaining Afinogenov’s services, I hope they don’t Play with Fire by dragging their feet. If so, they could soon find themselves Out of Time and see his services Slipping Away. After all…Time Waits for No One.

So, Tell Me Thrasherville… what are your thoughts regarding bringing back Maxim Afinogenov? Is he the final piece in the Thrashers offensive puzzle and without him the lineup is left Torn and Frayed?

Is he a player who you think could help get us Down The Road Apiece… but since You Can’t Always get What You Want he could go somewhere else and it’d be OK?

Or do you think We’re Waistin’ Time discussing the matter altogether and the team is better off telling Max “You Better Move On”?

Any Way You Look at It, the Thrashers still need another top-flight winger to help round out this offense. And it stands to reason that re-signing one we’re already familiar with could be better than bringing in New Faces. I for one would love to see him continue to provide a Little T&A around Thrasherville.

Uh…that would be Tallies & Assists.

151 comments Add your comment

Jason

July 15th, 2010
9:21 pm

Beatles were better. First.

Gib Traf

July 15th, 2010
9:40 pm

i say that was a failed experiment…. the stones refs, that is

MysteryGutiarMan

July 15th, 2010
9:48 pm

Max we love you! Stay in the A please! dont ditch us your a starter star

Ron Wood

July 15th, 2010
9:49 pm

Certainly bringing Max back would provide the Thrashers offense with A Bigger Bang

Jack

July 15th, 2010
10:25 pm

I think Dudley like many GMs are awaiting the resolution of Kovalgate. My honest opinion is as long as we get another good scorer than I am happy. However it would be nice to have Max back.

kracker

July 15th, 2010
10:34 pm

I don’t know what to think, RH. I’m glad you picked this to write about. I saw the same earlier and I’m like pay up, ASG!! Except I don’t know if money is the problem, it may be like you suggest, more of a length of term difference of agreement between the parties.

Or it may be a Dudley thing: “I want tough two-way players.” OK. But we still need some scorers. I don’t know what the talks have been about…or even if any actual talks have occured. It just seems to me that these parties could maybe….maybe come to terms on a 2-year deal? If they wish to come to terms.

The Real Thrash

July 15th, 2010
10:52 pm

Beatles then Stones

The Real Thrash

July 15th, 2010
10:53 pm

Bring him back

Brendan

July 15th, 2010
11:25 pm

Well, we don’t have many Russians left. Burmistrov is far from guaranteed a roster spot. And Nik Antropov signed, at the prodding of Ilya Kovalchuk. Wonder how Antro views the move now?, with three years left on his contract. He’s not waiting on a lady … he’s Just Waitin’ on a Friend. Maybe that friend is Max Afinogenov?

My outsider opinion is that Max and the Thrashers would have a deal right now, if both sides would agree to a 1-year deal. Max probably wants 3-years. Max has probably fielded offers around the NHL for 2-years. GM’s would probably like Max on a 1-year deal. GM’s might be okay with 2-years, with Max. But they’ve SEEN Max on a 3-year deal, and nobody wants it. Unfortunately, that’s on Max, himself. Sometimes his ‘give-a-spit’ meter can get very low. And when he underperforms, he plays less minutes. And it’s harder to hit your numbers … when you’re not playing your minutes. Max may have to face the fact that … from here on out, he’s looking at 1-year deals. That’s what keeps him honest. Once a GM hands Finny a 3-year deal, he can’t hit the ‘undo’ button.

Rawhide, I think the worst contract the Thrashers ever did was Bobby Holik’s 3-year/$12.75 million deal. And if it wasn’t that one, it was Damian Rhodes’ 3-year/$10 million.

The Smooth Spark

July 15th, 2010
11:28 pm

One thing is for sure: if you bring Max back (for two years at the right price), then you have a lot more flexibility with your top 3 lines.

Let’s assume Max plays top line mins with Antro and Bergie. Then Pevs centers Big Buff and Little. That would allow you to play Kane, Slater and Ladd together against other teams top lines. They would be a fore-checking nitemare for other teams similar to what you had with Colby, Kane and Slates.

Ladd adds wven more grit and he has arguably better hands inside and below the circles. But most importantly, you have lots more options with your top nine forwards.

kracker

July 15th, 2010
11:40 pm

That’s some good stuff, Spark and Brendan.

Now if Max and his agent…and Dudley/DW will all agree on a two-year deal…well let’s party!

Flames

July 15th, 2010
11:52 pm

Brendan-You are exactly right about Max. I would love to have him back for a one year contract at 1 million. Nothing more! Sorry guys but I love the rolling stones.

volgrad1985

July 16th, 2010
12:29 am

I was happy when we got Maxie last year because I enjoy his Helter Skelter style of play. He offered the Help we needed while his presence was Fixing a Hole in our lineup. I had heard that he was a selfish player in Buffalo, always thinking ‘I, Me, Mine’ with the puck, but I Should’ve Known Better, Because he wasn’t like that at all.

I’m sure It Won’t Be Long, but I’ve Got a Feeling that until he signs the contract he wants, he will remain Free as a Bird, a real Nowhere Man. And his girlfriend can not rightfully say, Baby You’re a Rich Man.

However, I’m afraid that in The End, all we can do is Wait to see if We Can Work It Out and Maxie and Dudley can Come Together on a contract, or else he may end up Back in the USSR.

Let`s Start the Season

July 16th, 2010
1:39 am

So many song writing geniuses.

English Teacher

July 16th, 2010
2:28 am

White the BIGGEST mistake? Do you not remember Zhitnik for Coburn?

Acer

July 16th, 2010
4:40 am

Brendan, I don’t think it matters much to have Russians (or Russian speakers) around for both Burmistrov and Antropov. Just checked Barrie’s roster from last year and I didn’t find a second Russian on that team. Antro is a dual citizen and holds a Canadian passport.

I don’t want Max back. You have a sufficient scoring punch with Bergy, Antro, Little, Ladd, Buff and Pevs. Max stands for the smallish shifty and defensively liable player which the Thrashers relied on too much in the past without having much success. I’m not concerned about losing offensive without Max. Here’s were the hiring of Ramsay also comes into play. I’m hopeful that he’ll successfully work with the blueline corp.

World Be Free

July 16th, 2010
5:23 am

Bring Max back, 2 years at $1.5M / year-he earned it with his play last year. I had a major issue with Max his last 2-3 years in Buffalo, but not last season in Atlanta. Agree on Beatles over Stones but I can’t imagine my youth without the Stones. The Beatles had already broken up and I saw the Stones twice.

lola-congrats on the autograph-made your week, maybe even your year! I expect to see you with a #36 jersey when I see you next.

We could dedicate an entire week of blog to Thrashers’ mistakes including the biggest one. But the good thing about all the mistakes is that we all know what it’s like to be down. We now have the right man calling the shots. Hopefully we’re on the way up.

Alan R.

July 16th, 2010
7:22 am

Yo Teacher. We remember. We don’t want to be reminded constantly.

DWTOO

July 16th, 2010
7:38 am

Bring back Max on a two year deal, and give him a little more than WBF wants to. Don’t think Max was the defensive liability some make him out to be. Not a stalwart, but, he hustled back on D all the time. Just wasn’t very effective sometime.

On a side note just heard on the radio that a NJ girl was arrested for causing a car wreck while performing oral sex on a man she had just picked up in her daddy’s car. Will wonders never cease.

kracker

July 16th, 2010
7:56 am

That’s one heck of a side note DW!

Putting On The Foil

July 16th, 2010
8:04 am

No more than two years for Max. See if he can duplicate last year. Otherwise, it’s time for Max to ramble on. Everyone knows Zep rules.

Not Blind

July 16th, 2010
8:11 am

I would rather bring up a young guy than have Max back.

Any free agent that is not signed by now needs to face facts, ie, NOBODY thinks you are worth what you are asking.

Rawhide

July 16th, 2010
8:13 am

Jason – Actually…I’m a Beatles man myself too.

Volgrad1985 – Very, very well played!

English Teacher – True…but I was thinking more about signings than trades.

DWTOO – Um….er….ah…well, thank you for sharing.

rob

July 16th, 2010
8:13 am

I think Antropov’s play spoke for itself about if Kovy leaving affected him. I actually hope he plays harder just to spite Kovy for F@ing him like that. Everything is up in the air as we await the drama queen to realize he won’t get what he wants. Sign with LA or go to the KHL already.

glovesave29

July 16th, 2010
8:23 am

I wouldn’t call Nik a Russian to his face…ya might not like the response. Sure, Kazakhstan was an SSR in the Soviet Union when he was born, but it is a sovereign country now.

I want Max back on a two year deal, $3M total. That is fair. We also need to reward loyalty and hard work, and we got that last year. I am sure other players around the league are looking to see how we handle this.

Brendan Morrison says he’s rejected one offer from a team he did not want to play for…wonder if that was us.

Add Max, and either Stempniak or Frolov and let the rooks fill in the gaps. Let’s get the season started already!

d

July 16th, 2010
8:28 am

Interesting how no other NHL team will apparently come close to the $70mil/7 year contract the Thrash offered to Kovy. In hindsight, this further illustrates they lack of judgement from DW. Also, do we know if Dudley attempted to talk DW out of the final Kovy offer?

World Be Free

July 16th, 2010
8:29 am

Max had an impact on opposing defenses last season. He is one of the fastest players in the league and he comes to the net from the off-wing. That makes him an offensive asset that we cannot discount. I like the new players we have acquired, but none of them have the speed that will disrupt a defense. Speed is more disruptive than strength, especially with some of the pedestrian defenseman in the game today. Antropov and Bergfors benefited from Max’s speed.

If Max isn’t working out at the end of the season, he is the type of player that will bring value at the trade deadline. He can add life to a lineup with his speed; other teams may want him for a lift if they are trying to make playoffs. He would fetch at least a 2nd round pick at the deadline, if we needed to dump him.

Rawhide

July 16th, 2010
8:34 am

Interesting how no other NHL team will apparently come close to the $70mil/7 year contract the Thrash offered to Kovy. In hindsight, this further illustrates they lack of judgement from DW. Also, do we know if Dudley attempted to talk DW out of the final Kovy offer?

d – Yes, is is interesting indeed. But there is this theory out there that Waddell knew Kovy was not going to re-sign here…not no-way, no-how. So DW went into CYA mode and threw near-max dollars at him. Again, he knew Kovy wouldn’t take it, but it cave DW the cover needed to convence the Thrasherville masses that he did all he could.

shrugs…

schroeder

July 16th, 2010
8:37 am

I’m with gs29,sign Max for 2 yrs and I would say either Stempniak or Ponikarovski, fil the gaps with rooks and lets drop the Freakin puck already!!!!!!!!!!!

World Be Free

July 16th, 2010
9:02 am

Stempniak will want at least $4M/season. He is the highest scoring right winger left on the UFA market. Folks in Buffalo are pushing for him cause he’s a local boy, but I doubt the cheap-o Sabres will pony up for him.

The Smooth Spark

July 16th, 2010
9:04 am

WBF – ’sho ’nuff! Speed kills and its worth the risk. Marc Savard didn’t exactly match the hard fore-checking scheme in Boston, but we need his skill and speed despite some of his shortcomings. Perhaps Ramsay can break him of the habit of dropping the puck at the blueline, take it / get it deep! But no way we get him inked unless we pay him over $2 M per year.

Red Light

July 16th, 2010
9:18 am

If two young forwards make the team, there is no room for Max. I think that ship has sailed. Consider that Atlanta was able to sign him for $800k last season, he turned down their offer and no one else has signed him in the first 16 days speaks volumes to me.Translation = no one wants him at his price. As WBF said, based upon his performance of last year, he deserves more than $1 million, and in fact, with Alex Tanguay getting $1.7 million from Calgary (down from $2.5 in Tampa) for a 37-point season means that Max is likely asking the price Smooth Spark suggests, if not more.

The offer should be $1.8 million plus bonus for this season. Nothing beyond. Do you want to pay that price? Not me. I’m with Not Blind on this one if Max won’t accept a one-year deal. Play the kids before they get lost in the Chicago Wolves shuffle.

The Smooth Spark

July 16th, 2010
9:23 am

For Christ’s sake! We paid Slava and White $6 M last year to sit in the press-box and play spot mins after Dec. and y’all have a problem paying Max, who plays hard almost every shift, a little over $2 M??

FormerIslesFan

July 16th, 2010
9:23 am

Volgrad, with comments like that, you should consider becoming Something of a Paperback Writer! Because, your version was almost a Revolution! Almost makes Rawhide think “I Should Have Known Better.” Or maybe we should just Let It Be.

Tom Lysiak

July 16th, 2010
9:25 am

Seems that everyone (GM’s and agents) is stuck until “Days of our Kovy” is settled. At that time the dominoes will start to fall. Duds probably has a couple of other people who intrigue him more, and will fall back to Max since he is not being bowled over by offers. The last couple of spots might be the most important to Duds. Just a guess…

I’ve seen the Beatles and the Stones live. Totally different, both awesome.

Alan R.

July 16th, 2010
9:27 am

So DW went into CYA mode and threw near-max dollars at him. Again, he knew Kovy wouldn’t take it, but it cave DW the cover needed to convence the Thrasherville masses that he did all he could.

It’s also made Kovalchuk and his agent look pretty bad, too.

Grossman, this past Tuesday morning:
“Hey Dudley… about that 7yr/$70mil contract offer from last year…”
“HAHAHAHAHA!!” *CLICK*

Red Light

July 16th, 2010
9:29 am

Back in pool again Maxwell plays the fool again. GM gets annoyed. Wishing to avoid an unpleasant scene!

Buzilla in CT

July 16th, 2010
9:31 am

That was worse than Gene Shalit…please don’t do that anymore Big Willy Tilly

kracker

July 16th, 2010
9:35 am

I will trot out the old Carol Burnett recurring skit and name the Kovalchuk saga “As the Stomach Turns.”

Buzilla in CT

July 16th, 2010
9:37 am

…and leave Max on the scrap heap. I thought we were trying to get rid of one dimensional players and form a more defensive team

Russian

July 16th, 2010
9:39 am

It is very interesting post, much more interesting than All Stars Baseball :-)
Anyway, I am very confused right now. Do we need Max? or NOT?
We need forward who can score. Max can do it. But we saw what happened with White last season. He did not score lot of goals. Also I always like to Detroit red Wings system. They work together every game, every shift. If they attack, 5 players are going crush the net. If they defense all 5 stay in zone and cover man by man. In Atlanta system we always have Cherry Picker (Kovalchuk, Max, Heatley) It is a wrong play. I hope Ramsay will fix it.
At this point Max is not a good with defense skills. He has a speed and good hand, but he does not care about own zone (Kovy syndrome). I hope we can bring all our RFA and let’s see roster now.
Berg-Antro-Little
Buf-Pever-Kane (I like to give him more minutes)
Ladd-Slater(White)-Mc Arhtur(Eager)
Thorburn-White(Slater)-Bolt
Also we can get Bura, Comrie or Akim to the Roster.
We do need Max Afinogenov!!!

Rawhide

July 16th, 2010
9:48 am

Red Light – LOL!!! Ya know, when I read your comments I sometimes wonder How Do You Do It? It seems like you are grabbing from hockey knowledge Here There and Everywhere in you mind.

FIF & ‘Zilla – First of…Good Morning, Good Morning to both of you.

When I post up blogs like the one I did Yesterday, I know there will be some who will Ask Me Why I did so and want tell me, “You Can’t Do That”. Some will simply think of me as A Fool On The Hill…I can Dig It.

However, I post it up anyway Because I like What Goes On around in the comments section after such blogs… even though it sometimes provokes too much Monkey Business. But in The End, I know We Can Work It Out and Come Together in agreement in the fact that we all want to see the Thrashers succeed.

That, plus I do enjoy Every Little Thing you all post up and discuss.

Now, I Don’t Want to Spoil the Party, but I’ve got to Get Back to work now. It’s been so Helter Skelter around the office lately that I sometimes think I’m working Eight Days a Week.

But don’t worry…I’ll Be Back.

Badger Bob

July 16th, 2010
9:53 am

Anyone wanting more than one of Max/Frolov/Stemp needs to re-read Smoothie’s 11:28 PM post. With one of them we’ve got a very solid top 9 (and his line up already has no place for Charmin or the General). With more than one? Then we’re not getting a look at Mach/Cormier/Petterson.

I think our final move at forward will be a trade, possibly involving MacA after we beat him up in arbitration for even considering a raise after not earning his salary last year.

Tincup9

July 16th, 2010
9:58 am

I can’t keep pace with the song references, but I do want to comment on the d – Rawhide Kovy Oberservations.
DW may have had the last laugh after all. Throwing out a max contract and a 10yr/100M deal have Kovy believing he is all that and a bag of pucks. No one else is offering the same and he can’t get a deal done. Reading the blogs from NJ and LA, fans are already questioning his desire to play for their city and are ready to move on.

Finally, unless the Thrashers have gotten permission to roster 25 players, how are they going to sign Max to a multi-year, give the rookies a look and hit the roster #. They already had to trade prospects just to get the last trades approved. Says something when you have 5 lines under contract and are stil looking for your top 6 forwards.

World Be Free

July 16th, 2010
10:06 am

Tom – you are dating yourself if you saw the Beatles! I saw McCartney last summer and it was one of the best concerts ever!

The Kovy situation is a joke-people around the league now see why we are happy to see him go!

five_hole

July 16th, 2010
10:09 am

I’m sure Max is going through his 19th Nervous Breakdown with contract deliberations. But we saw him at Wimbleton, watching his Honkey Tonk Woman play. Personally, I think Max Ain’t Too Proud to Beg regarding his contract. Personally, I have a little Sympathy for the Devil myself. I know it just feels like you’re 2000 Light Years from Home. But he’s just a Monkey Man.

Red Light

July 16th, 2010
10:11 am

Bill:

It’s Just a Day in the Life of one possessed by hockey.

Found my coat and grabbed my hat, found the blog in seconds flat. Found my way upstairs and had a smoke, And Smooth Spark spoke and I went into a dream…

My goal is to bookmark every Internet page I can with applicable lyrics, quotes and statistics and other hockey related information to quickly rebuke any comments attributed to Joe Friday, The Smooth Spark, DWTOO and FormerIslesFan. LOL

Another signing to make World Be Free’s day: Tim Conboy for the Sabres 7th defenseman spot. All they need are Nos. 3-4-5-6 now.

Tom Lysiak

July 16th, 2010
10:13 am

WBF – I can’t deny being an old fart. Saw them at Atlanta Stadium (what it was called back then) June 1965. I was ten and my mom took my sister and me. Had the stage set up around second base and you couldn’t see them at all. But, it was still cool considering what they became….

R. Stroz

July 16th, 2010
10:34 am

I saw Ringo last Saturday night at Chastain. He really dances like a white man.

And, as a side note, voting is a political activity, and unlike a member of ACORN or a Chicago democrat, I could only place one vote on the blog poll. DRATS!

Someone should tell Dudley and Max, Love It Don’t Come Easy.

kracker

July 16th, 2010
10:45 am

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