Will Todd White ‘be a big part of our future’?

The ‘buy out’ period in the NHL began this week. Teams have until June 30 to determine if any of the players currently under contract should be dropped from their payroll…paying them a portion of what that contract is worth and sending them on their way.

The last time the Thrashers used such an option was in the summer of 2008 when Alexei Zhitnik was bought out. This happened just days after then-general manager Don Waddell stated that the defenseman would “be a big part of our future”. Since then, the organization has spent the last two years paying him $1.16 million to not play for them. However, it opened up a roster spot for another defender to fill and freed up about two mil of cap space.

The current general manager, Rick Dudley, has indicated recently that he “doesn’t think it’s an option the team will use this season”. That may be so, but I can’t help but wonder if this topic might still come up between Dudley and [insert name of yet-to-be named new head coach here] if the new coach does arrive in Thrasherville by the end of the month.

Todd White, seen here in action against the Detroit Red Wings, has scored 43 goals, 91 assists and is a -32 during 221 games with the Thrashers (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Todd White, seen here in action against the Detroit Red Wings, has scored 43 goals, 91 assists and is a -32 during 221 games with the Thrashers (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Now if …even if just for grins and giggles…the pair do sit down and over a cup of coffee share thoughts on how to allocate the soon-to-be-freed up Zhitnik Buyout Fund, don’t you think they might at least breach the topic of moving that money over to the column of another player? Someone  like …oh, I don’t know…let’s say, Todd White?

The 35-year old White will be entering into the last year of his four-year contract that pays $2.4 mil per season. He was brought in by Waddell in the summer of 2007…just after the organization had made it’s one-and-only showing in the playoffs…and was sold to us as the team’s top-line center, the man who would center Ilya Kovalchuk’s line.

His stats for the three seasons played here…43 goals, 91 assists and a –32 during 221 games. He followed up a 14 goal, 37-point 2007-08 season with a very impressive 22 goal, 73-point year…a career high in overall points. But then he dropped a 7 goal, 26 point steamer on the ice of Philips just last season.

Highlighting his efforts was a 34-game goalless drought that spanned from Halloween to January 12. During this time he dished out but 12 assist and was a –11. This caused his picture to be plastered on the milk carton labeled “Missing” for several weeks.

White was a –17 in the middle of March before doctoring that stat with a +6 over the last four games he suited up for. Fellow forwards Maxim Afinogenov and Rich Peverley finished –17 and –14 respectively, but they were at least contributing on the other end of the ice with 61 and 55 points.

Now honestly, I didn’t go into last fall with any expectations that we would see a return of the 2008-09 version of Todd White. But I must admit I wasn’t expecting the abysmal showing that we witnessed in 2009-10.

So, what was the difference between the two seasons for Whitey?

Well, the simple answer could be found with his power play production. In 2008-09 he amassed 12 goals and 22 assists while the Thrashers played a man-up. Why, he even tossed in a shorty to boot. Last season, 2 goals and 8 assists came while on the power play.

Also, one could credit the strong numbers put up in in 08-09 at least in part to the play of the men skating either side of him for much of that year…Bryan Little and Slava Kozlov. Little was playing in his first full season with the Thrashers and scored 31 goals and 20 assists in 79 games. Kozlov rebounded from a disappointing, injury-riddled 07-08 season to produce 26 goals and 50 assists while playing in all 82 games.

Not to be overlooked is White’s “soft” play on both ends of the ice, specifically in the defensive zone. Not just soft…but “Charmin soft”, as some have said.

However, IMHO, the reason for last year’s “drop-off” has more to do with the fact that the numbers put up two years ago were more an exception than the rule when it comes to Todd White. I mean, answer me this… if White does return next season, do you think it’s more likely that he’ll come close to his production of two seasons ago…or last season?

While I would be surprised if his numbers resembled anything close to last year’s, I’d be absolutely shocked if he put up the type of stats he did the season prior.

Outside of a buyout, are their any trade options out there for the Thrashers to deal away White? Oh sure… sure, I suppose. But if Dudley can net anything more than a year-old swimsuit calendar featuring the ice girls from the team Todd is shipped off to, I would consider it a steal for the Thrashers.

Actually, on second thought… if Duds were only to get that for Whitey from the Carolina HurricanesDallas Stars or Chicago Blackhawks, that wouldn’t be half bad. Just sayin’…

ahem…moving right along…

I’m sure that there are those who might ague in defense of White, and they’ll no doubt point to that 2008-09 “career season” of his. “If he did it then”, one could explain, “Then it is possible he could do it again this year”.

Whitey battled through a couple of injuries last season as well…in fact, he required surgery just after the season ended.” So how much did that calculate into his play?”, some may ask.

Should the Thrashers buy out Todd White?

  • Yes: Try to trade him, waive him, then buy him out! (73%, 90 Votes)
  • No: He's a quality player and will rebound from last year's off season! (6%, 7 Votes)
  • Wait to see what the new coach has to say before taking Charmin off the shelf in Thrasherville (21%, 27 Votes)

Total Voters: 124

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Also, while his +/- numbers have been un-good here, it can be noted that for his career White is a +21. During his four season’s in Ottawa he was a +48.

But as I stated above, we’ve had three seasons in which to observe his play…and many feel that’s enough and it’s time to move on.

In closing, allow me to add this one other observation in fairness to Todd White. It is entirely possible that he is the victim of “perception” in these parts as much as anything else.

If there is such a thing as a “poster child” for the Don Waddell era as general manager, White very well might just be it. Waddell did not/could not re-sign a player like Eric Belanger in 2007 and was unable to procure a true top-line center during that offseason. So, the Thrashers dangled $9.6 million over four seasons to White, who was 32-years of age then. Who could blame him for taking the money?

looking around the blogosphere…Uh-huh, me either.

But he was viewed as the number-one center, and that can be argured as a bit unfair to man. He came here with that label hung around his neck and was not able to fulfill the expectation.

Plus, given the way the past three seasons have played out, there has been quite a bit of blame to toss around. Certainly Todd White’s gotten quite a bit of that blame splattered on him.

The question is, does he deserve the lion’s share of it.

148 comments Add your comment

Alan R.

June 15th, 2010
6:36 pm

So, who else voted “yes?” Raise your hand!

*raises hand*

Donna Harper

June 15th, 2010
6:50 pm

What’s the word on Johan????

Brendan

June 15th, 2010
7:05 pm

I voted for “wait-n-see.” I should explain that, I suppose. Okay, look, here’s your ‘cliff notes’ version. I don’t want to watch Todd White’s salary stay on our books past this season. Voila. I’d rather we suffer through the year with him and rid ourselves of him, once and for all, rather than having the memory linger, “Zhitnik-style.”

Alan R.

June 15th, 2010
7:11 pm

On the other hand, if we can fill that free roster spot with a more capable and more talented player, to me, it’s worth the “lingering memory’ if you will.

Rawhide

June 15th, 2010
7:11 pm

Alan R.raising my hand, doing my best Arnold Horseshack impersonation…OOOooh, ooooh…me, ME, ME!!

Donna Harper – Last I heard was that Rick Dudley said all pending UFAs have been tendered offers to return. I would assume that includes Moose. So, we wait and see how he and the others respond.

Thrashers27

June 15th, 2010
7:12 pm

Don’t need Charmin. We have plenty of youngins who can put up as good, if not better numbers. I’d rather see Espo get a shot at White’s spot.

Thrashers27

June 15th, 2010
7:15 pm

…now that I think of it…it would be a better idea to waive him in hopes that someone will pick him up for half-price. Then you’re only paying half his salary for one year. (The remainder of his contract.)

Red Light

June 15th, 2010
7:25 pm

Todd White has been traded for an 8th round pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft.

Alas, there are only seven rounds these days.

Smoothie

June 15th, 2010
7:27 pm

The great thing about buy-outs is you only pay him a 1/3 of his salary, I believe, in actual dollars, and the other 2/3 gets spread over two years, as a Cap hit only, on the books.

Seeing as how we have such a low “shoe-string” budget, we have plenty of room for buy-out dollars! Who else can we buy out? Oh wait, we need more players, not less.

Corollary: I could be a bit wrong w/r/t the details of how much is actually paid in a B/O sitch.

World Be Free

June 15th, 2010
7:41 pm

Cut him loose – time for both parties to move forward. Give the roster spot to a young player. That was my vote and I see I am not along. But it looks like Dudley is going to keep White, so let’s hope the thought of a new coach AND the last year of his contract may get White moving. He actually threw a few body checks near the end of the season, right after Bill’s blog that featured White in an unflattering way.

Anyone who wants to get rid of Bogosian should have their head (or heads) examined. My hockey equipment is ALOT older than Bogo, so give the kid a break for crying out loud!

Billtong, where have you been? Still got your Kovy 3rd jersey?

Smoothie

June 15th, 2010
8:39 pm

Apologies for my incorrect statement above. The buyout is only 1/3 the value of the salary for a player under the age of 26. For Todd White, it would 2/3 of the value or in his case, $1.6 M.

So yes, the waiver wire would seem like a more cost-effective measure w/r/t the Todd.

Nikita (in PA)

June 15th, 2010
8:52 pm

No. no. no. Or, more accurately, no if he plays o.k. in camp. I don’t expect White to put up numbers like two seasons ago again. But it’s not unusual for him to put up half that, and it’s also somewhat unusual for him to go negative. Given that such numbers would be appropriate to his salary and make him a fairly solid 2nd or 3rd line center, I say if he looks decent in camp, he stays.

Further, Zhitnik? Really? That’s just low.

(Also, while White was pretty awful for most of last season, he improved down the stretch. And his work ethic is decent, so I doubt he’ll sandbag his way to retirement.)

Rawhide

June 15th, 2010
8:55 pm

Todd White has been traded for an 8th round pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft….Alas, there are only seven rounds these days.

Red Light – If they took him and his $2.4 mil salary..I’d do that trade! :lol:

No. no. no. Or, more accurately, no if he plays o.k. in camp.

Nikita – But if we wait for camp, then it’s too late to decide whether or not to buy out his contract…regardless how one feels on the subject.

Donna Harper – An update for you. C-Viv updated his latest blog saying that the Thrashers and Hedberg are still working on a possible deal.

Sara

June 15th, 2010
10:09 pm

He’s got one year left on his contract so really why bother? He can be the 13th forward for next season. He doesn’t deserve a buy-out when we aren’t truly desperate for the roster spot (and we aren’t – replacing Todd White is not the missing link to the 2011 Stanley Cup). And if for some reason we get so many prospects performing at overwhelming levels in training camp that the coach does decide he really wants that roster spot back, Whitey can always be waived and dumped to the Wolves. (And really a sick twisted part of me I don’t like to talk about at parties would love to rape the Wolves just once of a lot of our young talent and saddle them with our old farts – win a Calder with that beyotches.)

Tony C.

June 15th, 2010
10:34 pm

White can stay, but I don’t want to see him taking ice time away from any of the kids I expect to be called up.

Alan R.

June 15th, 2010
11:22 pm

And really a sick twisted part of me I don’t like to talk about at parties

Oh, please, tell me more! :D

Nikita (in PA)

June 15th, 2010
11:33 pm

*Nikita – But if we wait for camp, then it’s too late to decide whether or not to buy out his contract…regardless how one feels on the subject.*

So we waive him. There’s not a huge difference for us, and that way we aren’t presumptively cutting bait.

You know, I actually think he’ll make the roster no matter what — somebody’s got to play PK, and we’re still not sure who that will be beyond The Michigan-Canadian Kid.

Alan R.

June 16th, 2010
12:02 am

No offense, Nikita, but this is what I’m seeing: “Why go for the best when we can settle for less? And besides, there’s something we can find for him to do, right?”

That don’t work. We’ve done that on this team practically since inception, and it’s part of why we’ve chased away so many good players. Ten years of settling for less.

This is us, fans of our Atlanta Thrashers. “Take only what you need to survive” and all that. Yet, year after year, this is what the team looks like. Per Svartvadet, Uwe Krupp, Steve Rucchin, among others. “But White isn’t that bad,” you might say. However, we tried carrying specialists before — Erik Chistensen, for example. He was good for shootouts; turnovers and stone hands during regulation was his forte.

Do like what they did in Spaceballs, where they eventually dropped the baggage. We can survive without White. It’s about time we start culling the herd.

R. Stroz

June 16th, 2010
12:17 am

Charmin is done.

Frankly, for his own health, he needs to retire.

Last season, he lost a step. When combined with his lack of size and strength, he is utterly useless moving anyone off the puck in the defensive zone.

Now the key point isn’t whether to waive trade, or buy him out. The key point is whether he is able to play at a NHL level next season. The answer is most likely NO.

Twelve years ago, I had the same/similar surgery that Todd White had to repair his shoulder. The results are not pretty. The rehab is rather long and unpleasant. Most orthopaedic doctors would strongly advise against using the repaired shoulder for extreme physical contact. The shoulder is alot “looser” than it was and prone to getting messed up very easily. Getting whacked against the boards is a sure fire way to end up losing more muscle tissue and having more bone carved out.

Bill Clement had the same/similar surgery years ago, and like myself, often comments about his shoulder being “mush.”

If Todd White is smart, he will retire and preserve what is left of his shoulder unless he wants to live a life of anti-inflammatory pills. Chronic pain is not fun and it doesn’t lesson as you age.

For the sake of White and his family, I hope he has the wisdom to retire and enjoy the rest of his life without causing a bad situation with his shoulder to get worse.

Brendan

June 16th, 2010
12:41 am

Look folks, I think we’d mostly like to find a ‘quick-n-easy’ solution to the White dilemma. Waiving him might sound ideal, but really, no one is going to take him at full price. To move Todd White for “full price” means trading him. And the only way that can work is to find a team flush against the cap, who wants to jettison one of their “bad” contracts. Well, we can accommodate that, so long as they are willing to take Todd White in the exchange. I don’t have a “for instance.” We’re talking conceptually. Most of the readers of this blog already know which players have over-inflated contracts. Though, I must concede, here and now, that I’ve included Briere in that camp in the past, but his most recent playoff campaign has me eating those words. I think he missed Gretzky’s Cup Finals Series point total record by one-point. Briere didn’t disappear this year.

Alan R., you say that now. You say that nowwwww. But next year, or the year after that, when the Thrashers are strictly adhering to one of their famous “self-imposed” budgets, and get outbid for an essential player by the EXACT amount of White’s buyout, it will be one of those things that makes a person forcibly plant their open palm against their forehead, while exclaiming “D’oh!” in Homer Simpson-like fashion. Or, perhaps, in William Shatner-like fashion, “KHAAAAAAAAN!!” I find myself agreeing with Sara. Let White be the 13th man, up in the presser. If he wants to get out of the dog house, let him play better. But realistically, we’re stuck with him.

Traditionally, I go easy on Todd White. Why? What for? He blows, and we should ditch him. Well, after we got SWEPT out by the Rangers, Todd White wanted in. Nobody put a gun to his head. He committed to 4-years with the Thrashers, even after that disaster. Now, bear in mind, Hossa still had a year left, and Kovalchuk still had 3 years left, and Todd White figured he’d be the beneficiary of those linemates. Bygones.

World Be Free

June 16th, 2010
6:04 am

So I guess White will be this season’s Slava, in the sense that he will be an old guy making alotta money being past whatever prime White was considered to have had when we signed him. Somehow I accepted this alot better when it was Slava for half a season than White for an entire season.

Eklund states that Kubina wants 4 years at $4M/season. I have no issue with the $4M, but 4 years is tough to consider he’s not fleet afoot at his current age.

Sara

June 16th, 2010
7:14 am

Nikita – White wasn’t even in the top 6 among forwards for average TOI/game on the PK last season.

Stroz – I appreciate your viewpoint on White’s injury and hopefully his surgeon and the team doctors have made that point crystal clear to him.

Alan R.

June 16th, 2010
7:24 am

But next year, or the year after that, when the Thrashers are strictly adhering to one of their famous “self-imposed” budgets, and get outbid for an essential player by the EXACT amount of White’s buyout

Too perfect of a scenario. Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely to happen? That’s something we could argue until the moon turns to swiss cheese, and comes out of the sky to our living rooms to offer us a taste of such a tasty treat as dairy products from outer space.

World Be Free

June 16th, 2010
7:25 am

Brendan-I agree with your post, especially your last paragraph. Why should we be easy on anyone on this team? Good businesses make decisions to go with the best workers, their top contributors. Hockey teams should do the same and if White isn’t one of the best contributors then there’s no reason to be easy on him. These guys make alotta money, they need to earn their checks.

Zoomo

June 16th, 2010
7:43 am

I went to a good number of training camp sessions last and White looked GREAT in camp. After that…pffffffffttt.

If there’s anyway to dump him in a trade, do it.

GaVaHokie

June 16th, 2010
8:16 am

According to Eklund… Kubina is seeking 4 years $4 million per year.

Why haven’t we signed him yet?! I’m guessing we’re offering less years, and maybe a sliding scale of pay.

Smoothie

June 16th, 2010
8:42 am

I reckon Big Willy’s right about Whitey getting Zhitnik’ed. Remember, Duds must do his due diligence and try to work the Todd into a late day 2 draft trade. If that doesn’t work, Whitey is bought out.

I don’t think the money is as big a deal as some are making out as we should have a new investor later this summer, perhaps two! Yes, I am expressing optimism on that front. For that reason I think we’ll get Kubes under contract for 3 yrs as we can afford to pay him an avg of $4.5 M. He’s smart enough to change his game as he slows down. Put in a sliding scale so he only gets $4 or $3.75 M in the final year. The fact we haven’t heard much in the press from his agent is prolly a good sign.

Rawhide

June 16th, 2010
8:47 am

Do like what they did in Spaceballs, where they eventually dropped the baggage. We can survive without White. It’s about time we start culling the herd.

Alan R. – I believe you just dropped the first ‘Spaceballs’ reference in here. Well done, sir!

hip czech

June 16th, 2010
8:50 am

Isn’t there another option? Start camp with him and if someone else deserves the roster spot send him to the Wolves, isn’t that an option the Blackhawks are considering to lose some of Huet’s salary?

On another note…if a deal with the Moose is not done, why shouldn’t we go after Nittymaki? If you can’t beat him, make him join you.

glovesave29

June 16th, 2010
8:57 am

I am not sure we CAN buy him out. The CBA states that contracts for players who’s deal terminates after the player is over 35 must count 100% against the cap…this is to keep teams from signing players to contracts that go beyond their playing years in an attempt to circumvent the cap. Zhitnik turned 35 in October, he was released in the summer before that. Todd turned 35 in May. We may have no choice but to keep him on the payroll. It would be nice to find a trading partner here, but it is doubtful we can find someone to dance with. We could bury him in the minors, but his salary will still count against the Thrashers, and as we know from the Octotards (still love that name!), they will keep him here in Atlanta if we are paying him. If he must remain on the payroll, and his stills do not justify so, this would be an interesting study on how much power and influence Duds wields. To see if the quality of the team supercedes all…

R. Stroz

June 16th, 2010
9:16 am

According to the Falconer, who posted a similar article about White this morning:

If you buy out Todd White he is due 2/3rds of his final season salary and 2/3rd of his cap hit will count against the cap. The cap hit is spread out across the next two seasons

Alan R.

June 16th, 2010
9:21 am

Rawhide – There was also the picture in the link I posted above that line.

Thank you. *takes a bow.*

joedaiceman

June 16th, 2010
9:38 am

Count me in the ‘dump Todd’ camp. Across the board he does not bring anything compelling – no scoring, no defense or grit, no size – on and on it goes

Nikita (in PA)

June 16th, 2010
9:39 am

Ya’ll are killing me. For starters, I never said White played well last season. Nor do I think he’s a top-line center. But, for me, that is not the question.

I don’t agree with you, Stroz, on the shoulder surgery. My dude actually had both done, one twice, and is in a performance environment and doing fine. White could easily come back long enough to put in a productive season. I don’t think he should be offered another contract, but that’s because he’s older and smaller and as I’ve noted he’s not really capable of daily abuse for an entire season any more.

Why I think we should keep Todd White through camp, and possibly in general:
1. His contract is actually modest in current dollars and in line with other players with similar numbers.
2. No one in Thrashers management or on the team has ever indicated a problem with Todd White. In fact, the folks who are gone that you guys liked so much are on record as fans. He is someone who wants to be here, who shows up ready for camp, who does whatever he’s asked to, and his fellow players like playing with him.
3. The “whatever” factor is pretty important as we figure out what our roster will look like. He can be slotted in wherever, and on whatever special teams, and he does adequately or better.
4. Statistically, last season was rough in one regard: +/-. He had the fifth worst +/- on the team. However, he also maintained a good FO, adequate points, and so on.
5. He improved down the stretch and apparently was playing injured. So he should be better next year. Probably not 2008-09 better, but at half the points and an even or positive =/- (in line with the rest of his career) he’d still be appropriately priced.

Until we have up and comers or established talent to displace his contributions, I just don’t see the point in taking a guy who’s been dedicated and humiliating him in public. It’s just tacky and cruel for no reason. As far as I’m concerned, he’s cheap insurance against flukey kids or injured veterans. And if we don’t need the insurance, we can trade or waive him.

P.S. I find this whole Todd White beatdown really lame given how many people here have mentioned that they’d like Slava back. Really? ‘Cause, you know, we were paying him $1.5 million more for EVEN WORSE STATS while he was throwing management under the bus.

Telfo

June 16th, 2010
9:40 am

Charmin needs to be advanced on the glass rod of failures!

J-man

June 16th, 2010
9:41 am

glovesave – I think you may be wrong. If I remember correctly, the key factor in any contract is the age of the player when it is signed. That “35 years old” rule only applies to contracts signed when the player is 35 or more. As such, I believe that White could be bought out. This is one of the reasons that the NHL fumed about Marian Hossa’s contract but in the end did nothing about it. If Hossa retires prior to the end of the contract, the final years come off the cap and he will have played the vast majority of it at a cap hit much less than his actual salary. It is only when he turns 37 that the cap hit actually exceeds the salary. All this magic happens specifically because Hossa signed the contract prior to being 35 years old.

R. Stroz

June 16th, 2010
10:02 am

My dude actually had both done, one twice, and is in a performance environment and doing fine.

So your dude had acromioplasty and torn labrum tissue removed?

Does your dude get smashed into the NHL boards on a daily basis?

Let me know how your dude is when he’s 40 plus years of age.

Why endure a lifetime of pain for one extra year in the NHL?

Why tie up a roster spot, for, an at best, marginal NHL player?

I’d rather give a hungry, healthy young man a crack at the NHL.

Smoothie

June 16th, 2010
10:08 am

I’d be more worried about Todd’s knee that popped out of joint twice. At his age, knee issues are not to be trifled with. Plus, his game is predicated on speed. He’s already lost a half-step due to age and this could be catastrophic for him going forward. He won’t suddenly transform himself into a “banger” simply to stay in the NHL. The resident Accountant is just too damn nice.

Smoothie

June 16th, 2010
10:20 am

If 26 points for a supposed 2nd line C is an adequate amount of point production, then I think I could step in and give you that. Hell, Mighty Mouse Tim Stapleton would be good for at least 40 points. Or even Eric Perrin! If Todd can’t produce at least 50 points as a 2nd line player, then it’s time to move on. We need younger, hungrier guys who are willing to make more sacrifices and give up the body to keep hold of the puck. Todd White might be a serviceable 13th forward who could spark your PP from time to time, but his best days are over.

Out of Cormier, Esposito, Machacek, Klingberg, Pettersson, MacArthur, Paquette and even Crabb and Anthony Stewart, I think we can find 2 or 3 guys better equipped to round out our bottom 6. And in the case of C-Mac and “Fly” Pettersson, we should have some depth on the 2nd line. Actually, if FP’s home-town fans are right, we may just have the Swedish version of Zach Parise in our midst!

Rawhide

June 16th, 2010
10:40 am

C-Viv reports that the Thrashers have gained official permission from the Blackhawks to speak with Torchetti.

Nikita (in PA)

June 16th, 2010
10:46 am

*So your dude had acromioplasty and torn labrum tissue removed?*

Yes. Left once, right twice. Left has now lasted 15 years, while right has lasted 8 and 8 so far.

*Does your dude get smashed into the NHL boards on a daily basis?*

Nope. He does something a little less demanding, but nonetheless shoulder-shredding.

*Why endure a lifetime of pain for one extra year in the NHL?*

Why’s that anyone’s call but Todd White’s? And I really doubt that another year will cause “a lifetime of pain” when he’s already spent 20 years doing roughly the same thing. This will not be his first surgery. The issue is his performance — it’s not his well-being unless we’re talking about irreversible, debilitating, unacceptable risks like concussion syndrome.

*Why tie up a roster spot, for, an at best, marginal NHL player?*

Because he’s not marginal, and no one else is filling that spot yet. He’s decent for his salary and age, and we can easily waive him or possibly even trade him later.

*I’d rather give a hungry, healthy young man a crack at the NHL.*

I’d rather see that young man earn his crack at the NHL, rather than be thrown in because we have too lean a roster. For that matter, I’d rather see us use Todd White than simply write off the last year of his contract.

*He won’t suddenly transform himself into a “banger” simply to stay in the NHL.*

It’s not about niceness. He’s simply too small. He actually throws a decent hit, but isn’t tall enough or heavy enough to make a consistent show of it. If he stays, I think he’d do so as a 2nd or 3rd line center alternate and specialist. But I don’t see why he shouldn’t, until we have someone better.

Lee

June 16th, 2010
10:48 am

If Dudley thinks it probably won’t be a option the team will use, so be it. That probably means he’s not gonna offer him, which, obviously means he won’t be a big part of our future. Enough said.

Now, if Dudley does change his mind about signing him. I think White will be a big factor of the team. This year, White should get a fair amount of ice time since there aren’t many players he’ll be competing with. We don’t have a Kovalchuk that is out there forever, wasting his time playing bad defense. Yes, yes. I know, Antropov, Bergfors, Afinegenov (if he stays). etc. Another reason, some of our players won’t be there, unfortunatly or fortunatly, Kozlov doesn’t sound like he’ll be staying, and Afinegenov isn’t close to the current deal. So, obviously, they’ll be free space.

I read an article on AJC, oh yeah, it was “Catching up with Chris Thorburn.” He said in the article that he wanted to be bigger, stronger and faster. He wanted to work on stickhandling, ecspecially around the net and in tight corners. I don’t know about you, but I’m definetly interested in watching him this season, and not just when he drops the gloves.

Now, back to Whitey. If he practiced maybe stickhandling, shooting, passing, I’d think that little practise would help a lot….

Nikita (in PA)

June 16th, 2010
10:52 am

*Out of Cormier, Esposito, Machacek, Klingberg, Pettersson, MacArthur, Paquette and even Crabb and Anthony Stewart, I think we can find 2 or 3 guys better equipped to round out our bottom 6.*

Well…here’s me being all negative and stuff. I think you are right with regard to Machacek, Paquette, Klingberg, and FP.

But I think Crabb is an AHL lifer, and that’s from observing him in both AHL and NHL. I am hopeful, but skeptical, that Espo’s mental issues will ever totally be resolved.

And Todd White’s not going below the 3rd. My guess would be 2nd and special teams.

World Be Free

June 16th, 2010
10:56 am

Smoothie-Mighty Mouse Tim Stapelton!? Great one! I sat down low late last season, Natalie Taylor was interviewing Stapleton – he looks like a little kid!

Nikita-your point number 2
I know somebody that has met Todd White twice and said he’s a great guy. For what it’s worth, if we are going to keep Todd White ot means we will have a guy that is liked by his teammates. I’ve played on some team with good players that acted like jerks off the ice; their behavior was damaging to the team. Tood White will be here this season, whether we like it or not. Let’s hope he continues to conduct himself with the same professionalism that he has so far.

R. Stroz

June 16th, 2010
11:01 am

Pettersson reminds me of a mesquito.

GaVaHockie – After watching Pettersson on youtube, I saw similarities to Tyler Ennis.

Alan R.

June 16th, 2010
11:23 am

And Todd White’s not going below the 3rd. My guess would be 2nd and special teams.

My guess would be, if he’s even in Atlanta next year, that he will be sitting upstairs most of the time as a 13th forward. His shoulder is gone. Kaput. Finished. He would be a fool to play NHL level hockey with a bum shoulder. One good, solid check into the boards and he’s on LTIR. Book it.

Smoothie

June 16th, 2010
11:42 am

If Pettersson is as tenacious and hard-hitting as the Swedish fans say he is, then I propose that we dub him the “Thunda from Frolunda!”

GaVaHokie

June 16th, 2010
12:29 pm

GaVaHockie – After watching Pettersson on youtube, I saw similarities to Tyler Ennis.

I don’t know about that… are you busting my balls or something?

My personal thinking (for a Thrasher comparison) is he’ll be another Jon Sim/Glen Metropolit type player… a gritty pest with a scoring touch.

World Be Free

June 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

Tyler Ennis? The boy must be impressing people, he’s only been in the league a short time.

I decided we need Mike Milbury back in the league as a GM. The NHL won’t be boring, that’s for sure! Can you think of any team that would EVER employ Milbury as a GM again? I didn’t think so.

rob

June 16th, 2010
1:12 pm

Nik,
2nd line C and specialty teams???? That isn’t an easy task for someone on top of their game, let alone White. Let’s compare apples to apples here. White / Armstrong. Similar money I believe. Lot of hype when they got here about being key factors. Both flops. They both have POTENTIAL but it hasn’t come to fruition. This is a business. People get waived. Look at Pevs. Let another team claim White and show us wrong. As for Kozlov, I respect what he did for the team, but I said all last year he was a distraction and waste of space. White is too and so is Armstrong. Time to clean out, let the kids get the shot they should have had, and find out just what the future of this team holds.

As for Kubina, 4 year deal worries me, time to start thinking younger if he wants that IMO.