What is the number eight pick worth?

Earlier in the week, Ben Wright posted a pretty nice two-part interview with the new GM of the Thrashers, Rick Dudley. In case ya missed it, here is part one…and here is part two.

Among the number of subjects covered, one question Dudley responded to in the second part of the piece had to do with the upcoming entry draft…specifically, would he consider trading away one of the Thrashers’ two first-round picks? Currently the hold the eighth overall as well as New Jersey’s later in the round obtained via the Kovalchuk trade.

Dudley’s response…”I didn’t enter any of those drafts thinking “I’m going to trade this” but people get in a frenzy around the draft and want to deal. I’ve already had a couple people call who want to move up or add a second first round pick. And do you know what? They’re available. There’s just a price. I have a pretty good knowledge of what they’re worth and if you want to move up to eight or acquire another pick you’re going to have to pony up with something, and it’s going to have to be something pretty good because they are very valuable.”

Should Rick Dudley use the 8th overall draft pick to trade for a proven player such as Patrick Sharp? (Paul Beaty/Associated Press)

Should Rick Dudley use the 8th overall draft pick to trade for a proven player such as Patrick Sharp, who has 126 goals, 119 assists and is a +40 in 419 games played? (Paul Beaty/Associated Press)

So, they are “available”…but at a “price”.

Given that, I ask you…if the Thrashers are indeed listening to offers for the number eight pick in the draft, what exactly do you think the “price” should be? Do you think Dudley would be wise to consider using that pick…or possibly packaging it with a prospect… to bring in a proven commodity like, say, a Jerome Iginla or Patrick Sharp?

Or are you one who believes that the Thrashers are better off simply using that pick themselves, drafting a young prospect to join the list of others the organization have in the pipeline?

As you ponder your response, let’s take a quick look back at some of the more recent eighth overall picks…a review of what drafting in that slot has gained the team using it. Then we’ll take a look forward at who might be available once the first seven picks in this June’s draft.

Last summer, the Dallas Stars took Scott Glennie with the eighth pick…a forward playing with the Brandon Wheat Kings of the WHL. In three seasons with that team, he has scored 86 goals and 131 assists during 182 regular season games. He has 4 goals and 15 assists in 18 playoff games as well. He is yet to play in an NHL game with the Stars.

In 2008, Denmark’s Mikkel Boedker was the eighth overall selection by the Phoenix Coyotes…the highest-ever drafted Danish player. At the time, he was a member of the OHL’s Kitchener Rangers. The following season he played in 78 games for the Coyotes scoring 11 goals and 17 assists finishing a -6. This past season he played in 14 NHL games and had 3 points and was a +2.

What should Dudley do with the 8th overall draft pick?

  • Keep it and draft a promising prospect (38%, 42 Votes)
  • Trade it to help bring in a proven talent (62%, 68 Votes)

Total Voters: 110

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Centerman Zach Hamill was the selection of the Boston Bruins with the 2007 number eight pick. At the time he was playing with the WHL’s Everett Silvertips. Toward the end of the 2007-08 season, he was moved up to the Bruins’ AHL affiliate in Province where he has scored 13 goals and 18 assists in 72 games. He was able to play in one game for Boston at the end of the season, picking up an assist during 12:08 TOI in the 4-3 shootout win against Washington.

Back in 2006, another Silvertip went at the eighth spot as centerman Peter Mueller was picked up by the Coyotes. Mueller played in all 81 games for Phoenix during the 2007-08 season and scored 22 goals and 32 assists. The following season he netted 13 goals and 23 assist in 72 games. Then this past season…after only 4 goals and 17 assists in 54 games…he was traded at the deadline to Colorado along with Kevin Porter in exchange for Wojtek Wolski. In his first game with the Avs he scored once to help them to a 4-3 win over the Ducks, then finished the season scoring 8 more times and chipping in with 11 assist.

Now, looking forward to the players that might be available once the eighth pick rolls around this year…here are just some of the names I have read/heard being kicked around. Please feel free to add/discuss others you might have an eye on.

Mark Pysyk – Defenseman currently playing with the WHL’s Edmonton Oil Kings. He scored 7 goals and 17 assists this past season in 48 games played, though a broken foot shortened his season. In an interview with Glen Erickson of Hockey’s Future, Oil Kings head coach Steve Pleau said of Pysyk, “Ever since he started as a 16-year old with us, he’s been out best defenseman”. Continuing he added, “Mark has good hockey sense, skating is his strength and he makes that first pass very well”.

Emerson Etem – Centerman who led WHL rookies with 37 goals playing in Medicine Hat…a good puck handler with above average skating skills and, according to Phil Foley of the Atlanta Thrashers Examiner, he has spent the last few offseasons training with Chris Chelios, Mike Commodore and Mike Comrie.

Jack Campbell – Goalie for the U.S. National U-18 team who NHL.com’s Adam Kimelman describes as “a big athletic goalie with championship pedigree. I add this option in only for the sake of discussion, as I do not think the Thrashers need to be taking a goalie with the 8th pick.

Ryan Johansen – Centerman with the Portland Winterhawks of the WHL. Last season he scored 25 goals and 44 assists, amassing 53 PIM and a +17 rating. “This kid keeps getting better”, Brad Holland says of Johansen in his mock draft. “Good finish to regular season and great playoffs has ATL ‘reaching’ here”.

Derek Forbort – Defenseman currently with the U.S. National U-18 squad, committed to the University of North Dakota. Hockey’s Future projects him as a Number 1 NHL defender saying, “One of the most talented defensemen in the 2010 draft. Exceptional decision-making. Has the size and skating and is very agile. Doesn’t like to carry the puck, but his passes are laser sharp. He could stand to add a bit of grit to his game.

Alexander Burmistrov – Russian centerman who plays for the Barrie Colts of the OHL. In 62 games last season he had 22 goals and 43 assists. “He’s very imaginative in his plays”, Barrie coach Marty Williamson said of Burmistrov to Alessandro Seren Rosso of Hockey’s Future. “His skill level is obvious. He has a high skill level, loves to make players around him better, he’s a think pass-first kind of player. He’s one of those kind of guys that really makes everybody better on the ice”.

Nino Niederreiter – Another Portland Winterhawk, this Swiss left-winger…nicknamed “El Nino”… netted 36 goals and 24 assists in 65 WHL games last season. Puck Daddy’s Bruce Peter writes of Niederreiter, “He’s a strong winger with decent size (6-1, 205 lbs.) that seems to have the ability to slow the game down when the puck is on his stick”.

So again…do any of these players do anything for you? Is there another prospect that might…or would you rather that 8th overall used to procure a proven commodity should Dudley be approached with such a deal?

103 comments Add your comment

Red Light

May 7th, 2010
10:06 pm

Excellent information Bill. You sure you’re not secretly pirating internet feeds of the WHL? My take is this: you want a skilled player or a goalie, go to the Q. Wingers who can score or puck movers, go to the O, a tough winger, a brawler or a defensive banger, go to the WHL. Simple formula.

Go Blackhawks!

Red Light

May 7th, 2010
10:06 pm

1st and Second

Sage of Bluesland

May 7th, 2010
10:18 pm

Maybe we’ll keep trading down–and then bluster about “getting the player we wanted all along!”…

…or maybe we’ll deal with our buddies with promises not to take the player(s) other teams covet?

It will be interesting to see what Don does this year, as always….I’m sure we’ll be exploring newer boundaries of incompetence…

Rawhide

May 7th, 2010
10:34 pm

Sage – Interesting that you summons the ghost of Drafts Past tonight. Like this year, the Thrashers owned the 8th pick going into the infamous “Trade Down” draft of 2005. Instead of selecting a player like…oh…Anze Kopitar or Marc Staal…Waddell trades it to San Jose who takes Devin Setoguchi.

He then turns around and trades the number 12 pick to the Rangers, who do take Staal.

Then, with the 16th pick…Waddell selects Alex Bourret…who never saw a single day with any NHL team.

sigh…

Brendan

May 7th, 2010
10:52 pm

Sage, I have to admit, your post had me laughing. We’ve tried ‘those strategies’ already, in 1999, 2002, and 2005.

Rawhide, my draft selection would be Derek Forbort. I think NHL Central Scouting has him at 10th overall. If they’re correct in their assessment, that means Atlanta should have the option to select him at 8th overall. No team can ever have enough quality defensemen, says I. Of course, someone else could pick him before Atlanta gets to the podium.

Okay, don’t feel like picking? Well, I’m not a big fan of trading. UNLESS, the player wants to play here. If such a player is out there, with years left on his contract, or who is a pending RFA, I’m all ears. I don’t mind making a trade that makes sense.

Absent that, all I can do is engage ‘wild hairy speculation’ and a plethora of ‘what if’ scenarios. The one I’ve been tossing around in my grey matter, while laughing heartily at myself, is a 3-team deal with Calgary. It’s stupid, okay. It won’t happen. And tomatoes are about to be hurled at me. But here goes. Calgary trades Jerome Iginla to the Thrashers for pick #8 in the draft, as well as a conditional 3rd rounder in 2011. Edmonton, unable to sign quality players in their own market, is intrigued by the prospect of plucking their cross-province rival’s star player. And for Iggy, he’s not ’so far away’ from home, in Edmonton, from Calgary. The Thrashers ask him, prior to making the deal with Calgary, how he’d feel about being the Captain of the Oilers, and sticking it to the Flames six times a year? Assuming Iggy said, “Sure, fine, I’ll play in Edmonton,” Dudley approaches the Oilers for a deal for the 1st overall pick. I told you you’d be laughing. I’m laughing. Gee, Brendan. Like the Oil is gonna pass on Tyler or Taylor to get the “back 9″ from Iginla, that’s laugh-out-loudable. I try to cause chuckles. It burns calories. It’s supposedly good for you. “Laughter is the best medicine,” and so forth.

Okay, let’s try to sweeten it up a bit. Atlanta trades Iginla ($7 million), its pick #25 (via NJ), AHL prospects Brett Sterling and Eric O’Dell, and Ron Hainsey ($4.5 million, with 3 years left on the deal), for the 1st overall pick and Shawn Horcoff ($6 million), just as “salary relief” for Edmonton, from a bad contract, that perhaps the Oilers are trying to unload.

Did I mention that I’ve been drinking, tonight?

Brendan

May 7th, 2010
11:00 pm

By the way, I like Tyler Seguin with the 1st overall pick. Nothing against Taylor. Taylor is more “NHL-ready” than Tyler. I think it’s worth the wait for Tyler, for Edmonton. Neither player will be a bad selection.

Brendan

May 7th, 2010
11:57 pm

Chicago now up, 6-3, in the 3rd period, with 9:00 left in regulation time. Vancouver’s dreams of reaching the CF are painfully slipping away. Let’s face it, this is a ‘must win’ game for Vancouver. And they’ve given up HOW MANY goals? Answer: Six, and counting. Toews have 5-points in this game. One more and he’ll set a Blackhawks record.

Let`s Start the Season

May 8th, 2010
1:55 am

It looks like the Black Hawks are going to make it to the next round. Well, they have a hard working group of young players, and perhaps could deserve winning this round and moving on and staying alive. But one thing really gets me riled up. WHEN?, is someone from Vancouver gonna put Bufflin (the way it should be spelled) on his ass? You`ve got a franchise goalie in Luongo. You need to do whatever it takes to get him away from the net. Don`t tell me he`s too big. He`s not that good of a skater. A good defenseman should beat him to the puck a majority of the time. Others, who are close to his size have to keep him from shoving their goalie and the puck into the net for a cheap goal that should have never been allowed. We can only hope in a future matchup he can find himself against a Pronger or Chara. Pullease give me someone who will go after this guy!

Let`s Start the Season

May 8th, 2010
2:01 am

Can`t somebody in a Vanciuver uniform knock Bufflin on his … ? Your franchise goaltender deserves better defensive help than he is getting.

ashe

May 8th, 2010
3:33 am

We trade the 8th pick, to Chicago for buff/sharp and we throw in a second and a prospect. Chicago needs to clear salary. And I’d love what buff/sharp bring. We lose the 8th but get 2 quality nhl players.

I hope we trade the 8th for someone who can help us now. We don’t need another prospect.

If iggy is available. Toss them the njd pick, third round, and machachek/odell plus another young player.

Thrashfan01

May 8th, 2010
6:36 am

Actually we do need prospects and a certain type of prospect, a top 6 forward with upsiade type prospect.

Hold on to the 8th pick, take Niederriter or Burmistrov with Connolly as the alternate should he fall due to his injury history.

The NJ pick should be very available, packaged with a sweatener or two (MacArthur and a 4th rounder) it could get a young slightly overpaid top 6 winger from a cap strapped team.

Acer

May 8th, 2010
7:05 am

Keep all picks in the Top60.

Dudley doesn’t strike me as a GM who is willing to sell the future, when his team is not ready for a deeper playoff run. Thrashers history suggests that most of the quality ATL UFA’s will be gone and it’s moronic to sacrifice a high pick when the team will not make the playoffs.

Thrashfan01, I vote no on Burmistrov. He doesn’t have a lot of upside and may only turn out to be a Stephen Weiss type of player (similar development path.)

Red Light

May 8th, 2010
7:44 am

Nothing wrong with Stephen Weiss that a few more players to skate with wouldn’t help. His helpers, David Booth and Nathan Horton, were hurt for much of this past season and he performed very well.

I think the value of a No. 8 pick won’t yield more than a roster player. If you want a top-6 forward, Dudley’s going to have to dig deeper in terms of toss-ins to any deal for that type of player. If you expect a proven 25- to 27-year-old proven top-6 guy, No. 8 alone simply will not do it. No way you get Byfuglien and Sharp for a 1st, 2nd and a prospect.

The Real Thrash

May 8th, 2010
7:47 am

Given out draft history (new GM notwithstanding) We need talent to help us win and make the playoffs now!

The Real Thrash

May 8th, 2010
7:49 am

Sell the future? How many years are we going to wait for thye future? Sheesh!

Red Light

May 8th, 2010
8:20 am

I agree Real. This team needs to make the playoffs and perhaps advance to the second round to appease the few fans they have left. As Dudley said, the first round has been very good for players who play in the NHL, particularly from 2001-2006, but if No. 8 doesn’t project to provide immediate help within two years, then I believe a trade makes more sense for the Thrashers at this point in time, particularly with the additional first round pick. The bad thing is that they swap with the Devils in Round 2 and have no 3rd or 4th round pick (MacArthur).

Acer

May 8th, 2010
8:21 am

Do you realize how long it took Weiss, until he was finally producing decent numbers in the NHL? I don’t want to wait this long. p.s. Rumors out of the KHL suggest that Burmistrov could return to Russia, as soon as next season. Personally, I stay away from any Russian prospect.

The 2009 draft wasn’t only the best draft in Thrashers history, overall it was one of the best of all teams in 2009. We finally have a GM who knows how to draft. I don’t think that the casual Thrasher fan has realized how lucky we are to have Dudley. Now, you have the chance to build a contender like many other team have done before (Chicago, Boston, Washington, Phoenix.) You can shift to a win now mentality when your prospect pipeline is stocked with quality. Atlanta is more than a couple of players away from being a serious contender and I prefer to stick to the building process, until the younger Thrashers (with plenty RFA years) are carrying the team and not UFA’s.

Adding Versteeg (forget about Sharp…the Blackhawks will not trade such a good playoff guy) doesn’t make up for the likely loss of Afinogenov and Kubina. It makes zero sense to waste a high pick and still sit outside the playoffs.

Dwayne

May 8th, 2010
8:21 am

I agree with The Real Thrash…I say trade the pick(S) and a prospect or 2, for Sharpe, IF that’s what it takes. Bogo and Kane, the last 2 top picks will shine next year under a “real” Coach. (keeping my fingers crossed). If the Thrash go into next year with the same 2 goalies, we must have better defensive coverage and better 2 way play out of our forwards. Last I recollect, Sharpe fits that bill.

Acer

May 8th, 2010
8:31 am

Edmonton in 2007 and Toronto in 2009 are good examples of teams, which were also more than a couple of players away from being a serious contender. Yet, both teams chose to sacrifice high drafts picks on Penner and Kessel. The moves backfired (long term for EDM) in a nice fashion and it will take both teams some time to make up for the losses.

Lee

May 8th, 2010
9:17 am

Not much. But I’d sign whoever we draft. Just don’t expect a Kane or Bogo.

World Be Free

May 8th, 2010
9:22 am

JF-thanks for your thoughts on Gonchar. He is an offensive d-man, but also spends alotta time on the ice at the end of close games. That speaks for his d-, 2 or 3 year deal.

Gonna be tough to talk Chicago into letting Buff or Sharp go and if the cost is #8, I’d say it is too high. Get a player at #8 and play with #24, which is still a good pick. If you are dealing with Chicago, I would focus more on Versteeg, who I think would come easier. I do not like trading ANY top 10 pick.

Chicago needs a dance partner that can help them with long term cap relief, so in my view, the partner has the upper hand. To that end, do we work a deal to take Campbell as part of the process? Soupie is overpaid and the Hawks know it. Campbell and Versteeg for #24. Hawks get massive relief and the still get a #1.

World Be Free

May 8th, 2010
9:35 am

Not to avoid the subject of today’s blog, but here are Eklund’s top 20 UFA goalie prospects-

1. Chris Mason 2. Evgeni Nabokov 3. Jose Theodore 4. Dan Ellis
5. Martin Biron 6. Mike Brodeur 7. Antero Niittymaki 8. Vesa Toskala
9. Robert Esche 10. Marty Turco 11. Manny Fernandez 12. Michael Leighton
13. Peter Budaj 14. Johan Hedberg 15. Ray Emery 16. Many Legace
17. Wade Dubielewicz 18. Andrew Raycroft 19. Patrick Lalime 20. Joey MacDonald

Top 4 are number ones, the rest, except for Moose do not interest me. I still say Theodore is a darkhorse here.

World Be Free

May 8th, 2010
9:42 am

Nino or Pysyk, stay away from the Russian here so we do not have to deal with KHL BS.

Staying consistent with my thoughts on Gonchar-we need to get a clear #1 d-man on this team, now or for in the future. Pysyk could be that #1.

Tony C.

May 8th, 2010
9:46 am

W.B.F- Going to have to agree that Versteeg is a much more likely target from the ‘hawks-I also like his game, we have enough “scoring” centers that are more effective on the wing a la’ Sharp or our own Kane. We need people down the middle, and Versteeg’s strong two-way play is something every team would like to have. But I disagree completely on Campbell. After the way their O-ffense ground to a crawl when Campbell was out earlier this year, I doubt they let him go for anyone not named Rafalski-granted, he’s probably making more than his talent-level alone would dictate, but that’s not on him, that’s on Dave Tallon.

I am hoping for a playmaking pivot with that #8 pick-however I’m fine with “best player available”. Burmistrov is an intriguing option as he is just that, and has been a proven performer on the big stage (WJC’s ‘10 OHL FInals etc.)-he was able to put up 16 pts in 17 games… not too shabby for his first year playing “Canadian style” hockey. I also like that he dedicated himself to playing with more physicality even before he arrived in Frostbackland.-Also, we’ve got a few Russians on our squad. That helps I think-read the interview and notice how he mentions that his english “is strong enough to make speeches in the room[sic]” I like that quote especially when you see he deosn’t feel he’s ready for the press-it seems as if he has some leadership fire in his belly-that’s good.

Yung JB from MTL

May 8th, 2010
11:07 am

Does anybody look at hockeysfuture.com? We are ranked 7th in the NHL in terms of prospect future. Our Top 5 Prospects: 1. Carl Klingberg, LW, 2. Ivan Vishnevskiy, D, 3. Jeremy Morin, C, 4. Patrice Cormier, C, 5. Spencer Machacek, RW.

So all I’m saying is if we don’t get El Nino we are still loaded with prospects. That saying, we can trade the 8th pick, but I’d take Nino first over Sharp. Our 25th pick can be an awesome sweetner.

Here the link http://www.hockeysfuture.com/nhl_organisation_rankings/?start=6

Take a look at TOP PROSPECTS also, our Evander Kane is 12th, Klinger is 48th and Vishnevskiy closes out the top 50

kracker

May 8th, 2010
11:25 am

Ryan Johansen looks like a good center prospect that can contribute in a year or so if Dudley goes the prospect route. He looks like he fits both the best player available (maybe, at #8) and the draft for need criteria.

Article: Johansen picked up the WHL pace in a strong way
March 26, 2010
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=522740&cmpid=rss-kimelman

“He has good on-ice vision and also angles well on the forecheck,” Central Scouting’s B.J. MacDonald, who scouts Western Canada prospects, told NHL.com. “He has the intelligence to play power play as well as penalty kill. He can be shifty and has the ability to beat a defenseman one-on-one. Once he fills out and gains more strength he could turn raw talent into a valuable center at both ends of rink. He has displayed nice playmaking capabilities and this should continue at next level.”

goose

May 8th, 2010
11:47 am

Red Light-We do have a third and fourth round pick. We have Montreal’s third round (I don’t remember how) and Dallas’s fourth round from the Kari trade. This is all from a past blueland blog. Here is the complete list of draft picks we have this year from ben wright

We have our 1st round pick and NJ’s 1st round pick
We have NJ 2nd round pick
We have MTL 3rd round pick
We have DAL 4th round pick
We have our 5th and CHI 5th round picks
We have our 6th round pick
We have our 7th round pick

kracker

May 8th, 2010
11:53 am

Very good to know, goose. Thanks.

Smoothie

May 8th, 2010
12:00 pm

Goose – good catch on the 3rd and 4th rounds. We got the 3rd from MTL in the Mathieu Schneider deadline deal in 2009; lucky for us the conditional pick wound up a 3rd rather than 4th but MTL could spoil that by beating PIT.

As for the #8 pick, I think the target should be Ryan Johansen. Reading the article, I think he’s just what we need: a playmaking C who can make his teammates better. His stock is rising to the point that we’ll be lucky to get him at our spot.

If he gets tabbed before we have a chance to get him, then sliding back to #12 or so in order to get an earlier 2nd rounder and a young RFA for our #8 might be an attractive option since Jeremy Morin’s teammate and set up man, Jeff Skinner is likely going to be available closer to #12 thru #15.

Now I need to go scour rosters for potential RFAs worth trading the #8 pick if there are any.

Alan R.

May 8th, 2010
1:25 pm

Yung – Many of us are members of the Hockey’s Future forums. The Thrashers section is a road less traveled, but we’re there.

Zim

May 8th, 2010
1:30 pm

Holding top draft picks is paramount to developing long-term success for under the salary cap budgeted NHL franchises. I agree with Acer in that Dudley should keep all top-60 draft picks unless an RFA-aged player becomes available.

Trading for Patrick Sharp with the 8th overall pick would be careless asset management. A UFA in two years, Sharp will collect paychecks of $4.1 million in 10-11 and $4.2 million in 11-12. How confident are Thrasher fans that Atlanta will have a perennial playoff roster by 2011-12 to convince Sharp to stay longer? With our luck of retaining UFAs?

If the Thrashers hold onto the 8th overall pick and select Brett Connolly, Nino Niederreiter, or Ryan Johansen (one of these three should be available), then Atlanta is likely to get between five and seven seasons of hockey service.

I’d prefer that Dudley retains the New Jersey pick (23rd or 24th) because there is likely going to be some talented players remaining, but if a deal comes along that makes the current roster better and general sense to building a team… then I’ll be content.

@Yung JB, HockeysFuture isn’t exactly the greatest source for detailed prospect analysis (Paul Postma is ranked 15th on their list). One person cannot aptly scout an entire prospect pool. Aside from Jeremy Morin, most of the Thrashers top forward prospects (Machacek, Klingberg, Cormier) have the skill set of bottom six NHL players. Guys like Angelo Esposito, Eric O’Dell, and Daultan Leveille are long shots to play top six minutes in the NHL.

Adding a surefire top six style player, like Johansen, Niedderreiter, or Connolly, greatly improves the Thrashers’ depth at forward, keeps the roster young, and likely the 2010 8th overall pick sees NHL time in 2-3 years.

MB

May 8th, 2010
5:22 pm

Off topic, but IF the Wings can win tonight, would you bet against them winning the series? Think about it…series goes to 3-2 in favor of Sharks with game 6 in Detroit. Gotta say I’d like the home team in that one. Then a return to the Shark Tank for game 7. Think Jumbo Joe and the boys would be squeezing their sticks a little tight in that one?

San Jose’s confidence was soaring after going up 3-0. Took a bit of a hit in the game 4 loss, but failing tonight at home would certainly get them thinking “oh no…not again!” Of course, they SHOULD win…they’re the better overall team, they have better goaltending, and they’re at home. But you never know…

World Be Free

May 8th, 2010
6:11 pm

Tony C-doesn’t CHI still have the rights to Jonsson?

Depends on how much they need the cap relief AND if they can get the relief by mving Huet to Mars or somewhere further away. I like Versteeg too, bet Boston is kicking themselves for trading him to Chicago.

Jung-some good news if we can parlay 2 prospects into roster spots next season.

kracker

May 8th, 2010
6:44 pm

gee..Hawks are losing to Orlando by 29 in the 3rd quarter.

Tony C.

May 8th, 2010
6:53 pm

W.B.F.-Good point, I have no idea… But yeah that Huet contract is a dog, and in fact, that’s something I’d like to ask Dudley about specifically-WTF happened with the gross over-valuation on Campbell & Huet (in regard to their contract costs)? How does he plan on not having similar cap-tedious contracts burden this cost-conscious organization? Trixie, maybe you could forward the gist of that question over to C-Viv for the next Dudley interview.

Smoothie

May 8th, 2010
7:58 pm

Guys – Jonsson is an UFA this summer. That’s one big reason they made the trade so they could save $3M + by getting rid of Barker. They still need to shed $7-8 M I believe to get under the cap.

Had CHI choked in the first round vs NSH they might’ve been more willing to part with Soupy or Sharp, but I’m thinking Versteeg will be expendable as Buffy is showing how valuable an asset he is in a physical playoff series.

If we were to slide back to #12 or 13, we might be able to get our hands on a prospect and an earlier 2nd rounder. Then turn around and flip that prospect or another like Vish and our late 2nd rounder for Versteeg. I really like Skinner and he may be available at 12-15 if there is a run on wings between 6 and 12 with Connolly, Nino, Etem, Mcfarland and Johansen all in the mix after the three prized D-men go in picks 3 thru 5.

Curly

May 8th, 2010
10:28 pm

The draft is a crap-shoot. Even so, I am not a fan of trading draft picks. The more picks you have, the better the chance of landing a player that can stick in the NHL. If we need a veteran player we should sign an UFA that wants to play here, rather than trade assets for a player that may not want to be here.

I think Dudley will go with a forward at #8 ie.. Nino, Johansen, or Etem; then with the NJ pick… a defenseman with size, who ever the is left out of Forbort, Petrovic, McIlrath, or Tinordi.

Brendan

May 8th, 2010
11:56 pm

Curly, I agree. My rule of thumb is, “you don’t trade Top 10 overall picks. Select someone.” With pick # 25, I’m far more liberal. That’s a pick I’d be willing to part with. At # 25, you’ve got some options. There are at least three that I can readily think of, aside from just picking someone with it. (1) Try to move up. Offer your 2nd round pick to move up to #19 or #20 or #21, if there’s a player you covet that’s still on the board. Statistically-speaking, that’s probably a very smart strategy. (2) Trade it for a player, say an RFA. (3) Trade down, if it makes sense. If there’s a team picking at # 27, # 28, or # 29 that also possesses a pick before # 40, you might offer up pick #25 for say, pick #29 and #38 in the draft. I don’t have some team specifically in mind, I’m talking hypothetically. If the Thrashers did that, I wouldn’t scream about it. UNLESS there was still a player at # 25 that was an absolute ‘no-brainer’ to take, if still on the board. Like I said, ‘trading down’ has to make sense. You don’t trade down to eventually land Alex Bourret.

Brendan

May 9th, 2010
12:01 am

Red Wings and Sharks are tied, 1-1, in the 3rd period, with 17:00 left in regulation. If this thing does go to overtime, and the Red Wings win, it will raise the hairs on the back of the necks of the fans of the San Jose Sharks. Let’s not forget, Detroit took a one-goal lead into the 3rd period in Game Two, but lost. In Game Three, Detroit lead by 2-goals, in the 3rd period, and lost. So, really, San Jose is ‘fortunate’ to be up, 3-1. If Detroit had held those leads, this game would be an elimination game for them.

Penalty shot!!!!

Brendan

May 9th, 2010
12:02 am

Fired wide, by Joe Pavelski. Jimmy Howard exhales. Still tied at 1.

Brendan

May 9th, 2010
12:04 am

Penguins fans breathed a sigh of relief, as Montreal scored in the final minute of regular to cut the lead to, 2-1. Pittsburgh held on for the win. Penguins lead the series, 3-2. I think Montreal vs. Pittsburgh has been the best series of the Conference semi-finals. Agree or disagree?

Brendan

May 9th, 2010
12:09 am

Rawhide, when I read the title of this blog,
“What is the number eight pick worth?,” I must admit that I heard the voice of Austin Power, (International Man of Mystery,) saying, “Who does Number Two work for?”

Marleau scores for San Jose! 2-1, Sharks.

Alan R.

May 9th, 2010
12:38 am

I could argue that Marleau’s goal shouldn’t have happened. There’s four people on the ice who saw what happened to Franzen, and yet there was no penalty.

Unfortunately, the Wings couldn’t win their faceoff (big surprise there)…

Somaatl95

May 9th, 2010
1:21 am

Bye Bye Big Red Borg! Hoping for a Pens free cup final!

Rawhide

May 9th, 2010
8:24 am

Brendan – I agree that the Montreal/Pittsburgh series has indeed been the most entertaining of the 2nd round…wih a close second to Vancouver/Chicago.

As for the title…LOL. Hadn’t tought about that ’til I read your comment.

Happy Mothers Day for all who it aplies to out there!

World Be Free

May 9th, 2010
9:09 am

Tony-I think the Huet and Campbell contracts are 2 reasons why Tallon got the ax. But they would be good questions for Duds. Duds is good, but he’s not perfect and if he was party to these contracts, I hope he’s learned his lesson at Chicago’s expense.

Smoothie-thanks, where has Jonsson been lately? I am with you Curly, unless one of these cap stressed teams wants to make a deal and needs some type of compensation in return to save face. I’ll take NHL-ready talent from a winner anytime.

Hate to harp folks, but I think we need a #1 or #2 defenseman more than anything else. We can’t move forward with a bunch of #3 and #4 d-men making up our entire corp. We need a minutes eater on the back line. I pushed to sign Dennis Siedenberg last summer and he wound up in Florida, playing 25-28 minutes / game. He may not be the answer, but he is a UFA this summer and he is what we need-that type of player. You need 4 d-men that can shut down the ice with a lead late in a game, shorten the game and protect a lead. #1, goalie and identify your 4 top d-men.

World Be Free

May 9th, 2010
9:20 am

I am not a Wings’ fan, but I sure do have alotta respect for their players, coaches and management. Just think how good the NHL would be if every team was ran as well as Detroit. I speculated last week that I thought the Wings were tired because they have played so many games. Versus had a piece on the fact that Detroit has played more games than any other team since 2006. Catches up with you.

RL-Thornton got a monkey off his back last night, more than any other Shark. It will be interesting to see how far San Jose will go now, having got past Detroit.

Zim

May 9th, 2010
11:23 am

RE: Trading the 23rd or 24th overall pick for an RFA aged player

Rumblings and speculation out of Buffalo suggest that both Drew Stafford and Tim Connolly could be available this offseason. Connolly is a super skilled, but injury riddled expensive option ($4.5 million for next year before coming a UFA).

However, Drew Stafford is making an affordable $2.3 million next year before becoming a RFA for the 2011 offseason. Struggling with consistency from year to year, Stafford has shown the ability put up top six level production after potting 20 goals and 25 assists in 2008-09. Sabre’s fans finally believed that Stafford was developing into his billing as a power forward at 6-2, 216-pounds.

This year was a step back for Stafford as he had just 14 goals and 34 points. At 24-years old, Stafford still has room to grow and a change of scenery could jumpstart his career. Depending on the Thrashers can do in terms of retaining free agents, Stafford could be a top six or top nine winger for Dudley’s assembled roster. Say Armstrong and Afinogenov re-sign and the Thrashers trade for Stafford…

Bergfors – Antropov – Afinogenov
Kane – Peverley – Little
Stafford – Slater – Armstrong
Boulton/Artyukhin – Reasoner – Thorburn

If Little struggles again, Stafford can step right into the top six. Just a thought… I get the feeling that Sharp/Versteeg may not be as available as everybody thinks this summer.

kracker

May 9th, 2010
12:03 pm

Zim, I’d guess with Dudley’s past and present ties to Buffalo (I think he has a home there) , he is quite familiar with the Buffalo players, including Stafford. Prospects, too.

Regardless of what I may propose or speculate about, my current stance is “In Dudley We Trust” until I see reason to doubt him. Nobody is perfect but he seems to be a knowledgeable NHL guy who is well above 50% as a talent evaluator. And let’s face it, in the near term all Dudley has to do is build a consistent 5-8 team that has a chance to advance to be a success. That also puts the Thrashers as contending for the SE division crown each year.

Smoothie

May 9th, 2010
12:54 pm

Zim – I like how you’re thinking but we already have Clarke MacArthur. I think mgmnt already feels the same way about C-Mac and his ability to play 3rd line or even top 6 minutes when warranted (hot hand). Wish we HAD gotten Stafford over C-Mac, but alas we need a scrappy player who can play the pivot as well like Lombardi, UFA from PHX.