Bergfors and Oduya coping with ‘it is what it is’ situation

During his intermission interview during last Friday’s game in Washington, newly acquired forward Niclas Bergfors was asked his thoughts about being traded the day before from the New Jersey Devils to the Thrashers.

Johnny Oduya, celebrating his first goal for Atlanta, has 8 SOG and is a +1 in his two games since the trade (AP Photo/John Amis)

Bergfors, celebrating his first goal for Atlanta, has 8 SOG and is a +1 in his two games since the trade (AP Photo/John Amis)

Incorporated in his response was the phrase, “It is what it is”.

To be honest… Johnny Oduya, who also came to the Thrashers in the deal that sent Ilya Kovalchuk to New Jersey, as well appeared less-than-thrilled with the transaction. Oduya and Bergfors both looked like soldiers who had just been re-assigned from a base in Key West, Florida to somewhere in Siberia. Oh, they were polite and all…gave the customary “Want to help my new team succeed” kinda responses…but there wasn’t a whole heckuva lot of joy plastered across their faces in doing so.

Yesterday during a brief interview on NHL Live, heard on XM’s Home Ice Channel, Bergfors was asked the same question and he again used the “It is what it is” line a couple of times…hardly a ringing endorsement of the situation he finds himself in.

“It is what it is” is a phrase that pretty much means, “I don’t like the situation…I would rather not have to deal with…I do not care for the circumstances I find myself in…but I accept the fact that there is nothing I can do about it and so I’ll tough it out”.

I use it quite a bit myself, much to the dismay of the Divine Mrs. R. She normally hears me use the phrase after asking what I thought of the latest chick flick I was forced to endure with her.

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Now, one can understand why Bergie and Johnny might be somewhat disappointed in last week’s transaction. They were sitting atop the Atlantic Division with the Devils and certainly on the way to post-season play. In Bergfors case, New Jersey was the team that drafted him in the first round back in 2005 and Oduya was leaving the only NHL team he’d played for… even though Washington selected him back in 2001.

Then they learn they’re departing the “first class organization”…as Ilya Kovalchuk put it…to play for a team that is run by Donnie and the Great Octocluster. And with that comes no guarantee of playing beyond the scheduled 82 games.

“It is what it is” certainly could sum up one’s feeling given the situation.

But if Bergie and Johnny were in fact upset about the trade…they certainly have not allowed that to affect their play for their new team. Oduya has stepped in and made a big impact on the Thrashers blueline and Bergfors has hustled his butt off on the other end of the ice…taking eight shots on goal and scoring the game winner last Saturday against the Panthers. In doing so, both have shown a great deal of maturity and professionalism.

Those are qualities this squad needs as much as their talent… and it goes a long way towards winning over both your new teammates and the fans.

Oduya defends against Alex Ovechkin. Johnny has averaged 20:42 TOI while with the Thrashers (AP Photo/Nick Wass)

Oduya defends against Alex Ovechkin. Johnny has averaged 20:42 TOI while with the Thrashers (AP Photo/Nick Wass)

Ya know, if…if…IF…IF…the Thrashers are able to pull off a successful playoff run after the Olympic Break, it is entirely possible that New Jersey and the Thrashers could square off in a first-round matchup. The Devils currently lead the Atlantic Division and Atlanta could only hope for a low-seeded position in the hunt for Lord Stanley’s Cup.

That would be interesting, eh?

And if…if…IF…IF…the Thrashers were to pull of the upset in that series, I could just imagine…while the two teams are going through the post-series hand shakes…as the two players pass, Kovy would remark to Bergfors, “So, who would have thought this would happen last February”?

Bergie could then look Ilya in the eye and reply with a smile, “Well you know…it is what it is”.

122 comments Add your comment

R. Stroz

February 9th, 2010
11:28 am

FIRST, just for Wayne Stuck in AL.

Bob

February 9th, 2010
11:39 am

I also hate the “it is what it is” comment and I only use it when asked a question that I don’t want to answer, for fear of insulting the questioner.

That’s why the talk about which player we want to sign, what player can we bring in here, is all moot. This club is Siberia to NHL hockey players, unless you’re a Slava Kozlov type who is shy and looking for somewhere out of the way to collect his final paychecks until he retires.

It is what it is, is the answer to wondering about the fortunes of this club and what players we can retain and or sign, until Waddell is gone and we get a real GM who can build a club.

Brett

February 9th, 2010
11:42 am

You can only imagine the disappointment those two felt after they recieved the “call”. Oduya who played top 4 minutes will continue to do the same here. But you hope Bergfors realizes the opportunity that he has been given to play top line minutes. Hopefully he will take this opportunity and turn it into something positive for the Thrashers and himself. It would be the ultimate face wash to meet the Devils in the play offs and defeat them. We can always dream!!

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
11:52 am

Two big thumbs up! I like the players, and I like their contracts. The duration of contract Bergie is willing to sign this summer will be a big indicator of what he thinks of the franchise. You can’t expect either of these guys to be happy – heck, they helped put the Devils in the comfy position they now are. Some of their “is was it is” may be a little anger at sweet Lou for not feeling they were key to the Devils future success.

Hopefully they’ll start to enjoy the advantages of being a Thrasher – anonymity away from the rink, golf on off days in March, twice the house for the same price in Jersey. Any word on where Bergie is living? Has Moose taken him in, like he did with Toby?

Eileen

February 9th, 2010
11:59 am

Bill, as always, you give me a good laugh. Unfortunately, I use “it is what it is” to accept the things I cannot change. It doesn’t mean it is all bad, it just not what I expected or wanted. Hopefully it will work out well for these players and the Thrashers team. For my 2 cents, I thought they were very impressive the first night. They also received an extremely warm welcome. If I had been given the microphone at the STH, my question was to ask what DW thought of the interviews the previous evening, particulary the comment, “it is what it is”. It didn’t happen.

Saga of Bluecheese

February 9th, 2010
12:01 pm

Word is the two are in an apartment in Atlanta. Bergy will look for an abode while Odouya will be in Olympics.
Keep in mind these two might be pleasantly suprised at the atmosphere in the locker room and in the attitude of the team in general. It is a very close environment and without Kovy may be a little lighter and brighter!!!! So, give it some time. If this team keeps competing, which no doubt it will, these new guys will be right there putting it on the line.
On another note, I’d love to see Ponikarovsky traded to Atlanta!!! i think it’d make Nic a very happy boy!!!!!

TableHockey

February 9th, 2010
12:02 pm

Wow – did any of you guys catch Salmela get clocked last night? That was a brutal hit – not sure he even got to see his short-handed bid make it to the back of the net.

I haven’t had the chance to look at the Devils blogs but I’m sure they are less than thrilled this morning with the 1-2-0 record the team has since adding Kovy. He looked right at home on the left key firing his one-timer too high as time expired on their two man advantage…

Russian

February 9th, 2010
12:06 pm

**to Rawhide**
This is a BRILIANT
“And if…if…IF…IF…the Thrashers were to pull of the upset in that series, I could just imagine…while the two teams are going through the post-series hand shakes…as the two players pass, Kovy would remark to Bergfors, “So, who would have thought this would happen last February”?

Bergie could then look Ilya in the eye and reply with a smile, “Well you know…it is what it is”.”

I love your POST. :-)

Russian

February 9th, 2010
12:07 pm

But it will not happend :-(

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
12:18 pm

There are 2 types of players that get traded-

1. Players that are on the way out of an organization, expecting a trade or
2. Players that are emerging in an organization, on their way up.

Both Johnny and Bergfors are clearly the latter, expecting to stay in New Jersey for some time. Johnny even re-upped in NJ over the summer, when he had chances to go elsewhere. So the sting for him has to be twice as bad.

We are talking New Jersey here folks, chemical dump central, located in the dark shadow of New York City. As previously noted, the New Jersey Devils were once coined a “Mickey Mouse organization” by Wayne Gretzky. Lou Lam and 3 Stanley Cups later, NJ has evolved into a first class organization, a preferred destination to play hockey. What does this prove? It is possible to go from M Mouse to first class, with the right management and ownership.

We MUST make Atlanta a preferred destination for players. This is a responsibility of management; so are they up to the task? We need to change the line from “It is what it is” to “Man, I am excited to be in Atlanta and a member of the Atlanta Thrashers”.

Maybe I am just dreaming…..

Hockey Biltong

February 9th, 2010
12:18 pm

Tough hit on Salmella. Most guys lay off after the puck goes in. I would look to extend a retaliatory hit sometime in the near future, sumbitch.

Hockey Biltong

February 9th, 2010
12:22 pm

WBF, it is possible. The ASG has got to get their sh*t together now. And we need to get some deals done. As mentioned in other posts, we have the $$. Deal the folks who don’t fit and bring inthe ones hungry for it. This team could make 1st rd. playoffs without Kovy.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
12:26 pm

I’d say there is a good chance Armstrong goes to Toronto for Ponikarovsky.

I’d like to see Lehtonen go to Phoenix for Peter Mueller.

ben

February 9th, 2010
12:32 pm

Orgs go up and down. I’ll follow Kovy on Center Ice, but I won’t pay money to see the T-Birds until Waddell is gone.

Bob

February 9th, 2010
12:34 pm

“It is possible to go from M Mouse to first class, with the right management and ownership.”

Yes, yes it is, and I have the same dream. It’s the light at the end of the tunnel that keeps me following our team (well, that and I’m a puck head to the max, best sport there is).

Hokie, I can’t see any return for Kari, I really really would like to see them let him play a game for us this week and see how he does. He’s really our only chance of making the playoffs, I think.

R. Stroz

February 9th, 2010
12:35 pm

GaVaHokie – If you’re able to bring in Poni, would you do so to form a new Russian(or formally a part of Russia in Antropov’s case) line?

Also, do you do so in anttempt to keep Mad Max for the next two or three seasons?

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
12:36 pm

WBF – You have a dream. It is a beautiful one. And it has been done many times in pro sports (the Devils, as you noted; at the same time the Dead Things went from hockey h*** hole to Hockeytown). Absolutely starts with ownership and management.

Eclipsed by the Kovy “first-class organization” quote is possibly an even more disturbing one from Anssi to Lou Lamoriello: ‘I’m coming back. I told you I’d be back.” I guess that means he knew he wouldn’t re-sign with Atlanta in 2011. Hopefully the player additions this summer will keep Bergy and Johnny from having the same attitude.

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2010/02/nj_devils_didnt_want_to_part_w.html

New Jersey is awsome!

February 9th, 2010
12:45 pm

Not a single player will ever want to play in Atlanta. And who blames them? At lease not until some red neck players are drafted…

New Jersey is awsome!

February 9th, 2010
12:46 pm

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
12:49 pm

It might really re-invigorate (although he seemed quite motivated in doling out 3 assists the other night) Nik Antropov if DWad were to go out and pry Poni from Burke. Army + a prospect might be a sufficient price to pay for reuniting Felix (Ponikarovsky) with Oscar (Nik). I would love to see it and having Nik in the fold would certainly help us in negotiations to keep Poni.

GVH – hate to say it man, but we’ll be lucky to get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Kari Lehtonen. That’s why I don’t see any reason not to keep three goalies for the duration unless someone REALLY wants to overpay for goalie insurance (Moose) cuz we could probably lure Moose back as our back-up.

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
12:50 pm

NJ, you are absolutely right, except for Reasoner. Oh, and Peverly. Well, Hainsey and Hedberg, too. And Kozzy, of course. And I guess Antropov. I suppose Toby signed for longer than he had too… but then again all those guys must be red necks.

Eileen

February 9th, 2010
12:51 pm

I read the blogs abuot Kovy in N.J. Everyone remains quite optimistic. He is really being treated like the saviour. I hope he likes all of the attention.

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
12:54 pm

Badger-we have a part in this too, by continuing to demand first class hockey-keep the heat on. I still believe the hiring of Dudley was a REAL positive decision that could pay dividends for years. He chose to come to the Thrashers. Let’s hope we get a chance to see the fruits of his work.

I remember when the Detroit Red Wings were horrible. Marcel Dione couldn’t wait to get out of Detroit, to play in a hockey outpost like Los Angeles. Remember when Walt McKecknie was Detroit’s number one center? Jim Schoenfeld and Danny Gare were furious with Scotty Bowman for trading them from BUF to Detroit? Furious for having to leave Buffalo? Now Detroit is “Hockeytown” where a hometown discount is expected to stay in a first class organization.

Army for Poni-I’d do that one. I am still not sold on getting rid of Kari, simply because we do not have a replacement.

Eileen

February 9th, 2010
12:57 pm

On the hit to Anssi, the NJ coach said it was a good hit and that Jeff Carter is not a dirty player.

jimbo

February 9th, 2010
1:01 pm

Rawhide- Love the reference to the “Great Octocluster”. I see no big deal in the “is what it is” line. They’re both Swedish and I suspect that they tend to use English terms that they’ve heard from others. At least we didn’t hear the Ilya line “it’s just a business”. Maybe that’s why he seemed to play with so little emotion. His only displays were when a goalie robbed him.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
1:04 pm

Bob, Smoothie… I think packaged with picks, Lehtonen might have more return then you think… it may be for someone else’s over priced garbage… like Svatos in Colorado. But I think there is a worthwhile trade somewhere out there for Kari.

Stroz… absolutely you put Poni on a line with Antropov… Max on the RW makes the most sense… so I guess, yes, another Russian line, but this one should work more efficiently.

Wayne stuck in AL

February 9th, 2010
1:08 pm

“It is what it is”

I didn’t know Bergfors was learning English from Chris Dimino…

Riceowls8891

February 9th, 2010
1:08 pm

Why would anyone want to play in Atlanta? Hmm, lets see: Couldn’t be the lack of 20 inches of snow? Or sub zero temperatures? or not seeing a headline that reads “No heart, no hope” when you are in first place (Ottawa Sun)? or going to dinner with the family, quietly and not discussing why you lost last ight? or having to discuss whether you went out last night (Philly and Montreal)? or housing prices/taxes? Nah, none of that could be appealling.

Granted, Atlanta does need to win to attract players. No argument there. But there is lots to like about this hockey market from a player’s perspective.

And I like the honesty of “It is what it is.” 2nd to 12th has got to hurt.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
1:10 pm

Perhaps Armstrong and Kari to Phoenix for Peter Mueller, and see if we can get Burke to accept NJ’s first round pick for Poni.

Again, just speculation on two players I’d like to have and what it could possibly take to get them.

Viking

February 9th, 2010
1:15 pm

Generally speaking, Swedes are not big BS’ers. When I moved over here, I was astonished by all insincere invitations from folks I had just met. A gullable Swede might show up… Or the “How are you” greeting without any interest in your answer also used to puzzle me. I quickly learned to avoid giving an assessment of stomach ailments or whatever truly described how I felt. However, 21 years later, I still will not BS and rather resort to a neutral statement. Hence the “It is what it is” from Bergfors.

Likely, Bergfors’ comment reflects the disappointment of being traded (by a play off bound team), but also has a good portion of “not yet formed opinion about my new team” included.

Additionally, aside from the hockey part of it, who would like to have to move unexpectedly unless you were in prison or otherwise hated your previous situation. Perhaps there is an American girlfriend involved? Who knows what is in his mind.

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
1:29 pm

No matter what, getting traded has got to suck to some degree since you have to uproot yourself in the still of the night and report to a new city, new rink, new team! That has got to be incredibly stressful. All things considered, I think Johnny and Nicky have both handled it with aplomb and with more than just stone-faced resignation. I think we’re reading into things a bit much at this point. We need to give it some time to form any judgments. Then again, we’ll never really know what’s going on behind the scenes. But under the circumstances, I think we should be happy that they didn’t say “yeah, it’s tough to be traded and I’ll really hate missin’ out on the fun in Jersey!”

Midfield

February 9th, 2010
1:30 pm

Viking, any player without the NTC has it in the back of his mind that he could be packing his stuff in February. Atlanta would probably be considered a much better destination than Calgary or Edmonton, had it not been for the ASG and unsinkable Don.

Tim

February 9th, 2010
1:31 pm

GaVaHokie, Phoenix have a 1st Class Goalie already. i doubt they will be interested in Kari, especially Salary Wise. If they looking for one of our goalie, I bet they would look to have Moose instead to back up Bryzgalov.

Tim

February 9th, 2010
1:31 pm

About Bryzgalov, Burke put him on waiver not so long ago,…. we could have had him for free. haha

Alan R.

February 9th, 2010
1:36 pm

I saw it, TableHockey. Carter’s response was typical. “It wasn’t dirty. I’ve never been suspended. It was shoulder to shoulder! I am a clean player!!1!”

Also, you gotta give Kovalchuk a chance to mesh with the Devils. Their last 10 games haven’t been all that great, either, going 3-6-1.

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
1:39 pm

Biltong-it could happen. We are waaay overdue!

Rawhide

February 9th, 2010
1:47 pm

All things considered, I think Johnny and Nicky have both handled it with aplomb and with more than just stone-faced resignation.

aplomb (a pläm′, -plum′)
noun self-possession; assurance; poise
Etymology: Fr, lit., perpendicularity, equilibrium < à, to + plomb, the metal lead: see plumb

Smoothie – I’m very impressed. Well done.

Bill, as always, you give me a good laugh

Eileen – Oddly enough, that’s exactly what Debbie Hesslefielder used to say to me back in the 11th grade everytime I asked her out. :lol:

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
1:51 pm

Thanks Bill, but the second part of that isn’t so great as we may be plubming the depths as we sink like lead after this road trip! Gotta get 3 or 4 points at the least to have a chance for 88-91 points. Preferably 4 or 5, but I’d settle for 3 with the favorable schedule we have in March. Plus, playing WSH & PIT, while tough, in April when they are all but on cruise control may benefit us rather than hurt us.

Paminski

February 9th, 2010
2:01 pm

I agree that “It is what it is” is a comment you make when you don’t want to say something bad and/or when you haven’t yet formed an opinion. It’s also a good comment when you’re still stunned like a stick just got broken over your head. I mostly just hope these guys will be more professional than our former coasting captain.

Rawhide

February 9th, 2010
2:07 pm

Gotta get 3 or 4 points at the least to have a chance for 88-91 points. Preferably 4 or 5, but I’d settle for 3 with the favorable schedule we have in March.

Smoothie – 88-91 aren’t out of the question…consider that Atlanta has 58 points after 57 games(54-24-8). Last season they had only 45 after that many played, (20-32-5). That means we are 13 points ahead of where we were a year ago.

If the Thrashers finish simply 13 points better after 82 games…they’ll have 89 points.

Just sayin’…

neil marlowe

February 9th, 2010
2:10 pm

“it is what it is” – perhaps the dumbest expression ever invented by humans. it says nothing. it reflects on the user; it demonstrates the inability to express oneself. why not just say “duh”!!

NYC

February 9th, 2010
2:25 pm

WBF – ever been to Colts Neck NJ? Summit?? Freehold??
Not exactly a “chemical dump” as you put it.

mickey mouse

February 9th, 2010
2:29 pm

Gretzky called the New Jersey Devils a ‘Mickey Mouse’ organization after a 13-4 shellacking the Oilers put on the Devils in 1983.

“They had better stop running a Mickey Mouse organization and put somebody on the ice.”

Reacting to Gretzky’s comment, Devils fans wore Mickey Mouse apparel when the Oilers returned to New Jersey.

Turned out OK for the Devils. Two years later they won the Cup.

Tony C.

February 9th, 2010
2:35 pm

Mr. T- Can you or Vivs, let the Octo-Cluster know that Bob Gainey’s out of a job.

I mean I doubt very seriously we’d be he first choice, but uhhh the laissez-faire attitude towards GMs here must be appealing after the pressure-cooker of MTL.

Debbie Hesslefielder

February 9th, 2010
3:05 pm

Bill, do you remember what your hair looked like in the 11th grade? Give yourself a break – you are now a handsome, sexy and successful man that I regret turning down.

LAC

February 9th, 2010
3:06 pm

I thought the two new guys were shown at an Iraian jail about to be hung or something, they looked bad.

But I remember long ago when the Braves stunk the house out, one fall night… when it was GA vs Alabama on TV only 500 showed up !

Nobody wanted to play for the Braves, then enter Ted and, it took time, but it did change and for about 15 years it was GREAT, now reverting back to the days of yesteryear… under corporate ownership.

Same here, NO star players will ever come here while this clown group is in control with the worst GM in pro sports, but The Commissioner IS
watching and HE can force change if this asg Mickey Mouse operation continues. Wouldn’t it be great for the NHL to take over and Gary call don for a “meeting”… Well don, I have some BAD news for you, we are heading in a new direction, one that is not constantly in reverse, so we are letting you GO ! I’d tie one on if that happened…

But like sands through the hour glass… Time IS starting to run out on this asg group, it is only a matter of time now !

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
3:08 pm

Mickey, it actually took the Devils 12 years to climb up from that ignoble state to the Cup. Ignoble? Yikes, you’re rubbing off on us, Smoothie!

kracker

February 9th, 2010
3:11 pm

NJ fans commented on Vivs blog that Bergfors never said much whenever he was interviewed as a Devil. He is just not a big talker, at least not in English. Johnny O is a well paid professional under contract for 2+ years. Bergy has an opportunity to show if he is ready and able to be a top 6 scorer.

I expect the shock was considerable to both players but after the trauma of the first three days: getting traded, rushing to DC to play w/ no practice, traveling thru the Great Snow Storm to play (and win) in Philips, things have to look a lot better today for both our new players. After all, the Devils really sucked for the last month (hence the trade) and they are now valuable cogs on a new team and they are still in the playoff hunt.

Third Man In

February 9th, 2010
3:16 pm

Ignoble? That’s where they held the 1968 Winter Games, right Badger Bob?

J-man

February 9th, 2010
3:16 pm

Lets wait and see. I am concerned that after only 2 games, one of which is a loss, that a large number of fans are already counting on playoff tickets this season. That is not logical. I remember that the early returns on the Hossa trade looked good too, but by early in the next season things were already going awry. This trade still has the potential to be very bad for the Thrashers with both Bergfors and Oduya ending up being a lot less than they seem to be right now. One year from now the fans may be complaining about how Bergfors only has 10 goals, Oduya is pretty ordinary, Cormier looks like a future 4th line player at best and the 1st round pick got wasted on another high risk player who isn’t panning out. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t get too excited. Everybody was pretty high on Christensen too when he first got here and we all saw how that worked out.

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
3:18 pm

NYC-just being a wise a–
I used to work in Cherry Hill, nice place. Sinatra won’t like it if he heard me use that chemical dump stuff, Springsteen either.

My point is that NJ should not be a more desireable place than Atlanta, though Lou has made it just that. No hard feelings.

Nikita

February 9th, 2010
3:18 pm

I think it would be a mistake to take their initial interviews as anything but pure shellshock. Or as Mr. Nikita said, “that look means ‘Holy S^%$, what am I going to do about that house I just bought on the shore?” It’s freakin’ traumatic being traded, and I doubt either of them even expected to end up in Atlanta.

That said, I don’t care what they think of Atlanta as long as they give it an honest effort and a fair shake. They did great the other night against the Panthers, and I hope are going to have a great end-of-season.

Third Man In

February 9th, 2010
3:18 pm

J-Man: The Thrashers were 7-21 in the first 28 games after Hossa’s departure.

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
3:19 pm

LAC – Mike Illich

Lee

February 9th, 2010
3:22 pm

Yeah, Berg and Oduya don’t really want to be here, but I like how they are putting in more effort than Kovy did.

John

February 9th, 2010
3:29 pm

We’ll know a heckuva lot more by the Olympic break. Take at least 4 of 6 and Waddell will be praised, lose 3 1 goal games and the perception will be much different. But if we continue to get upwards of 50 shots a game, a few will make it to the twine and this team should be in pretty good shape.

Question to those who know: Are the second round picks that we swapped with the Devils conditional? Cause if the afforementioned 1st round upset does happen, their 2nd round pick would be higher than ours…would we still swap them?

Also, interesting to note, the Boston guys on NESN are all about the Bruins in the playoffs still. That could be the New England ethnocentric attitude that comes with everything (I was told multiple times up there that you will not find a better college football atmosphere than Boston College. Come on.), but if they can do it, we sure as hades can.

Eileen

February 9th, 2010
3:41 pm

I did not log in as Debbie! However, we have all come a long way since the 11th grade. I am sure your lovely wife is very happy Debbie did not snag you for life.

rob

February 9th, 2010
3:45 pm

All this talk on here of trades for forwards, this and that for Kari and whoever. If they trade Kari now, they dam well better get a better goalie from somewhere. Playoffs started last week. Too many teams too close, and only a few spots. Whatever goalie gets hot or stays hot gets their team in. I hope they let Kari see what he has in him, as he actually has the most talent to pull off a run for us, and the closer to playoffs the harder the points will be. So unless there is another bigtime goalie out there, might want to look at what we have. Pavs won’t cut it, he isn’t ready, and Moose (cut all the emotional attatchment out) is a great backup. If Kari’s comeback falls short….ugh I don’t like our chances much. That doesn’t mean I won’t be cheering as loud as I can though, and keeping my fingers crossed that I am proven wrong!!

NYC

February 9th, 2010
3:47 pm

It’s understandable that people’s first impression of NJ is….a chemical dump, as you put it. But there are nicer areas other than the ones you witness in the Sopranos intro.. No hard feelings at all. I agree that Atlanta should be a more desireable place, if not for the “no snow” factor alone.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
3:53 pm

Question to those who know: Are the second round picks that we swapped with the Devils conditional? Cause if the afforementioned 1st round upset does happen, their 2nd round pick would be higher than ours…would we still swap them?

Great question… that would be a great way to stick it to “Lou” for underestimating us.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
3:57 pm

It’s understandable that people’s first impression of NJ is….a chemical dump, as you put it. But there are nicer areas other than the ones you witness in the Sopranos intro

Yep, like Alpine, NJ where countless celebrities live… Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Patrick Ewing, Britney Spears, Jay-Z, Stevie Wonder, P-Diddy, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine,_New_Jersey

Captain Cliche

February 9th, 2010
3:59 pm

At the end of the day, it is what it is. There is no question about it. Now, we have to stay focused, give 110% and take it one game at a time. If we put the puck on net, good things will happen.

Obviously, the final score is the only statistic that matters because statistics speak for themselves. All things considered, it comes down to the fact that it ain’t over ‘til it’s over. ‘Nuf said.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
4:00 pm

Back on topic… it’s hard to stomach the “it is what it is” comment as positive, when we see how easily Kovy adjusted to his new digs.

But yes, first impressions can change in an instant.

GaVaHokie

February 9th, 2010
4:02 pm

Thanks Captain Cliche… keep your chin up and keep on keeping on. Tomorrow is a new day, one door leads to another, and change is just around the corner. :)

rob

February 9th, 2010
4:07 pm

vivs says Kane and Berforgs worked on PP……WTF is JA watching the blogs LOL

DWTOO

February 9th, 2010
4:08 pm

Can just see Crash helping Nuke with his cliches right now.

Niclas Bergfors

February 9th, 2010
4:11 pm

Bergfors, rob. It’s Bergfors. That is what it is.

Rawhide

February 9th, 2010
4:11 pm

vivs says Kane and Berforgs worked on PP……WTF is JA watching the blogs LOL

rob – Where do you think he got the idea to sit White and Kozlov recently??? :cool:

Capt. Clicheclapping… Well played, sir! :lol:

Dandylions

February 9th, 2010
4:12 pm

Rawhide – I need to play more Scrabble to understand some of your bloggers. And Third Man In – that was too funny.

RS

February 9th, 2010
4:28 pm

Anyone notice in the story about Salmela that his agent is also Jay Grossman? Wonder if he has any other clients on the Thrashers….

Stay Thirsty My Friends

February 9th, 2010
4:39 pm

He also represents Hedberg. Attached is a link to his NHL clients.

http://www.puckagencyllc.com/nhlplayers.html

Schroeder

February 9th, 2010
4:42 pm

Nice client list,was Grossman in the KGB in a former life?

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
4:43 pm

Grossman also represents Moose. See http://www.puckagencyllc.com/nhlplayers.html

You’d think Jay could afford to make his website not look like he made it himself in his basement…

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
4:43 pm

Scooped by Mr Dos Equis!

Viking

February 9th, 2010
4:46 pm

Before the “Big Trade” we owned 3 of 10 in Jay Grossman’s active NHL roster!!!

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
4:53 pm

NYC-the irony for me is that I am from up near Niagara Falls, one of the 7 wonders of the world and a beautiful place. NF is also home to Love Canal, which is known for being one big chemical dump.

chris16

February 9th, 2010
4:54 pm

Man did anybody watch the Devil game last night on Versus? I think the annoncers said Kovy’s name about hundred times and how great he is with the devils, I ask this when the Thrashers were on Versus did they make Kovy sound like a hockey god with the thrashers? I love that money bags kovy is scoreless I hope it last.

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
5:00 pm

Just as point of reference, for comparison’s sake, the Thrashers’ record the day of the trade deadline deal to send off Hossa was 29 – 30 – 4. The day he was traded, they lost to Montreal 5 to 1. After that, they proceeded to cobble together a decent stretch of 2 – 3 – 4. But then they lost the next 5 games straight losing by an average of 4 to 2. They finished with a triumphant whimper winning 3 of the last 5.

The record over the 15 games leading up to the trade is eerily similar to their record leading up to the trade of Ilya Ko-VAL-chook. They went 6 – 8 – 1 including the 10 to 1 stinker in Buffalo. Over the 10 games leading up to the trade, they managed a record of 5 – 5 – 0.

So what was their record in the last 10 and 15 games leading up to the trade for Bergie and Johnny O? 6 – 6 – 3 over the last 15 and 4 – 4 – 2 over the last 10. Let’s hope that’s where the comparison stops.

Go Thrashers!!!

DaveR

February 9th, 2010
5:04 pm

Both Bergfors and Oduya speak excellent English.

I’m glad you guys aren’t reading too much negativity into this “it it what it is” stuff. Both of these guys will be excellent additions to your team, and they will not bring attitude problems to your locker room.

Hockey Biltong

February 9th, 2010
5:05 pm

chris 16 – just the usual bias.

d

February 9th, 2010
5:08 pm

I would think Atlanta is a great destination for NHL’ers. The golf courses start turning green in April – just when the calendar open’s up for the Thrash…

James Brown

February 9th, 2010
5:12 pm

Sorry to hear about Boris………He had really picked his game up…….tough year for him with the two injuries….I guess “it is what it is”

Rightshot

February 9th, 2010
5:38 pm

Just watched a video on Bergfors and Odonya on the Thrashers site. It seems, so they say, they are adjusting and seem to like the team so far. They looked much calmer, obviously, than before.

I think the “it is what it is” comment was more shell shock than anything.

But give them time, if things go like they have in the past, heaven forbid, they will be burning Lou in effigy soon enough.

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
5:54 pm

On the team website, Ben managed to get some good sound bites from both Nicky and Johnny. They definitely appear more relaxed and upbeat after a few days of “normal” activity. Perhaps their fellow Swedes took them around town and showed them the sites and introduced them to some good southern cooking / hospitality. Anyway, they seemed to be in good spirits. Might as well embrace it cuz their gonna be here a while!

HookyBob

February 9th, 2010
5:55 pm

Perhaps Johnny and Nic will have a better outlook once Moose has them, and Toby, over for Swedish meatballs, lutfisk and lefsa. This is another value that Moose brings this franchise. He is good at getting new Swedes aclimated outside the rink.

Viking what else can we do to make them feel at home? Sauna out back?

Brendan

February 9th, 2010
5:57 pm

I use, “it is what it is” as an explanation of a situation or event. If someone asked me, “Have the Thrashers had a lot of playoff success?” I’d reply, “they made it in once.” If the follow up question were, “Is that normal?” I’d reply, “it is what it is.” As in, it’s an explanation of things as they actually are. One playoff berth “is what it is.” I didn’t say that it was good or bad. In this example, “normal” is variable and undefined. “Normal” is an undetermined thing. What is “normal” playoff output/production? Who wants to do the research, when you just quickly answer, “it is what it is. They have one playoff berth.”

In the context of this trade, however, I suspect that Bergsfors meant, “I just left an organization with 4 recent trips to the Stanley Cup Finals, with 3 Cup wins, to go to a franchise that cannot figure out that it needs a new GM, after a decade of failure.”

DaveR

February 9th, 2010
6:23 pm

He was drafted by the Devils in the first round, 2005. Played 4 years of minor-league hockey for them, and was only this year getting a real chance with the big team. His whole career was in the Devils organization, since he was 18 yrs old.

He was playing at the beginning of this season on the Devils first line, and picking up a lot of PP time. He was (and still is) among the league-leaders in scoring among rookies.

Each day he’d be rubbing elbows with guys like Marty Brodeur, Zach Parise, and Jamie Langenbrunner. The locker room is full of guys who have won the Stanley Cup, some as many as 3 times. Everyone is focused on getting there again, This Season. This is their year.

He (and the entire Devils team) had a one-month slump, and Bang! Lou (or Jacques) calls him into the front office. The team that had invested in him (and vice versa) from the age of 18 is telling him that he’s no longer part of the organization.

Regardless of what team he was getting traded to, what do you expect when some reporter sticks a mic in his face and says, “What do you think about this?”

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
6:24 pm

HooKy-lutfisk?

Wow, takes me back to my time in Norway.
Get them waffle machine and some reindeer steaks.

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
6:26 pm

Brendan-classic my friend!

Viking

February 9th, 2010
6:51 pm

HookyBob & Worl Be Free,

Lutfisk and lefsa are more Norwegian. The Sauna is really a Finnish thing, but will attract Swedes too.

Swedish Meatballs and pancakes will do. They might also long for crisp bread, pyttipanna, cold crayfish in dill, and salt licorice.

Unfortunately, what really has great attraction value for their welcome dinner is snaps (ice cold aquavit or vodka, not schnapps) and drinking songs. Which we do not want them to engage in during the season.

Otherwise, we can hope for some nice sunny, warm weather, which will quickly make them feel the trade was the best that could have happened to their hockey career.

rob

February 9th, 2010
7:07 pm

How long are the 2 under contract for now?

rob

February 9th, 2010
7:24 pm

Also, nice how Schultz article is already gone from Thrashers page on AJC (still under Schultz but NOT on the teams page). Guess SOMEONE didn’t like that too much huh? LOL Thankfully they can’t just erase it from Bettman’s head that quickly.

Third Man In

February 9th, 2010
7:25 pm

Bergfors is a restricted free agent this summer, while Oduya is under contract for two more seasons.

Tony C.

February 9th, 2010
7:32 pm

Bergors is RFA, Oduya has 2 more seasons left on his current deal. I believe Cormier has another 2 years before he’s RFA.

Please feel free to correct me-I’m not looking at anything official just what I remember from scanning it when I heard about the trade.

Get The Puck Out

February 9th, 2010
7:48 pm

Seems like i read somewhere that Kari was being traded to Dallas for Turco. I don’t know what else is involved but it sounds pretty good to me.

Somaatl95

February 9th, 2010
8:00 pm

Regardless of the outcome, it is what it is. Maybe we actually go to the playoffs now that the #17 curse has been lifted. Remember when Hossa left, all he wanted was the cup. Didn’t get it as a Penguin. Went to the Red Wings, all he wanted was the cup – didn’t get it again. I forsee the Thrashers one day against Kovy or Hossa (or both) for the Cup. Our “star crossed” days have hopefully passed.
Maybe youngsters will one day look forward to being traded to Atlanta. Who knows?
It is what it is.

kracker

February 9th, 2010
8:15 pm

Viv says Kari traded to Dallas for Ivan Vishnevskiy!!! Wow…says Kari didn’t fly out to Colorado w/ the team.

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
8:20 pm

Viv is saying Lehts to Dallas for D-man Ivan Vishevskiy!

Bob

February 9th, 2010
8:53 pm

Why dump Lehts now unless it’s a pure salary dump? the guy finally is ready after the surgeries, he’s a former #2 overall. You just lost a #1 overall. Only thing that makes sense is if there’s another deal made to bring a goalie in now.

Somaatl95

February 9th, 2010
9:18 pm

Lots of people complaining here about the pending/possible Kari trade – look around – I have seen a lot of Dallas fans livid that they are giving so much for a goalie who is prone to injury and hasn’t acted like he has given a squat in his rehab assignment. Plus a lot of people are thinking there may be a deal for Turco in Atlanta coming in the offseason, since the folks in Dallas seem to think Turco is not sticking around. Before you get pissed see what the other teams fans say about the trade – if they are pissed Atlanta got a oood deal, right?

R. Stroz

February 9th, 2010
9:21 pm

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
9:33 pm

Stroz, I heard he was a scorer! That clip confirms it!

Alan R.

February 9th, 2010
9:41 pm

Stendec is going to be devastated. :P

R. Stroz

February 9th, 2010
9:50 pm

stendec just crapped his pants he’s so happy.

Rawhide

February 9th, 2010
9:51 pm

I guess Patrik Stefan could take lessons from Vishneskiy on how to to put the puck into an empt net!

stendec

February 9th, 2010
9:52 pm

God does answer prayers. Amen. ++STENDEC++ WAHOOOO!!!!!!!

R. Stroz

February 9th, 2010
9:56 pm

Rawhide

February 9th, 2010
10:02 pm

C-Viv tweets that the trade is official…Kary to Dallas for Vish and a 4th.

Last week I posted this up at HockeyBuzz…and now, it’s complete. All of the Thrashers top picks in thier first five drafts are now gone.

This is why I don’t buy into the theory that goes, “If you aren’t going to go deep in the playoffs it’s better to tank for the better draft pick”. I mean, how many lottery picks did Don Waddell have to start this franchise off and what do we have to show for it?

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
10:02 pm

“You just lost a #1 overall” Bob, that doesn’t mean we should hang on to him indfinitely. With that thinking we’d still be shoving Stefan out on the ice.

Badger Bob

February 9th, 2010
10:19 pm

Gotta believe they aren’t intending to re-sign Kubina, which sucks. I doubt they plan to leave only one roster spot for Vish / Kulda / Valabik next year.

R. Stroz

February 9th, 2010
10:20 pm

Does anyone else smell a salary dump?

The next two trades should be Armstrong and Kubina based on pending UFA status and contract amount, in return, more low paid RFA prospects.

Actually, I smell something else coming…new ownership.

World Be Free

February 9th, 2010
10:22 pm

Stendec is speechless!
Craig Ludwig just on Dallas Stars between period show, sez Ivan is an offensive minded defenseman that needs to work on his defensive zone coverage. From a d-man that knows his stuff.

Smoothie

February 9th, 2010
10:36 pm

The only way I trade Kubina is to CHI for Versteeg and Barker.
Army could net a good return as well just as Kevin Allen says. Now that I think about it, we might even be able to get another # 1 pick. I have no problem with that as Crabb or Machaek can do his job for less money. Fo’ shizzle.

Brendan

February 9th, 2010
10:40 pm

World Be Free — Thank you. Bowing.

Ivan Vishnevskiy

February 9th, 2010
10:50 pm

It is what it is

Rawhide

February 9th, 2010
11:00 pm

OK…here’s a new blog to discuss the Lehtonen trade.

LAC

February 9th, 2010
11:03 pm

Gee Whiz another Russian who looks to not be much help anytime soon…

Just more of waddell Tornado destroying this team, we should have gotten more OFFENSE, but waddell knows what he is doing, building us a New CHEAP team… Next they will want the FANS to start playing and making them pay to play !!! What a concept, PLEASE Mr.Betteman Take over this MESS NOW !

2025

February 9th, 2010
11:03 pm

After breaking every goaltending record in the NHL, Kari Lehtonen is retiring. Lehtonen, who was initially pressed into service too early in his career by a struggling Atlanta hockey franchise, really turned things around after successful back surgery and a trade to the Dallas Stars. With the Stars, Lehtonen broke Marty Brodeur’s all time win record and once posted an unbelievable eighteen game shutout streak. Lehtonen led the Stars to six Stanley Cup titles in his fifteen year tenure. He will surely be remembered as the best goalie in NHL history.

Brendan

February 9th, 2010
11:07 pm

See Bob’s 8:53PM post. http://blogs.ajc.com/iceman-thrashers-blog/2010/02/09/bergfors-and-oduya-coping-with-%e2%80%98it-is-what-it-is%e2%80%99-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-20630. That’s right on the money.

And Rawhide stole my Thunder, as I was going to post that ALLL FIIIIIVE of this franchise’s 1st round picks are GONE, just GONE, by its 10th season. You tell me if Atlanta’s franchise knows what it’s doing.

1999: Patrik Stefan, traded to Dallas, for Niko Kapanen and Will O’Neill. I guess Will O’Neill is still here, right?

2000: Heatley, traded to Ottawa, for Hossa and DeVries. DeVries walked in free agency, I believe. Hossa = Daultan Leveille (#29 overall, 2008), Erik O’Dell (via Eric Christenson), Colby Armstrong (Stay tuned, dealin’ Don is about to part ways with him, too. As he should), and Angelo Esposito (the new Kari Lehtonen, Uwe Krupp and Jani Hurme of the organization).

2001: Ilya Kovalchuk, traded for Nik Bergfors, Johnny Oduya, 2010 2nd round pick (think #54 overall), and prospect Patrice Cormier

2002: Kari Lehtonen, traded for Ivan Vishnevski (sp?) and a 4th rounder

2003: Braydon Coburn, traded for Alexei Zhitnik

And can we project 2004’s: Boris Valabik for ?????

What was the purpose of these picks? I want an answer. No, I want a SERIOUS answer. Don’t say, “Don Waddell is like a mule with a spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it, and d*mned if he knows what to do with it.”

Folks, let Stendec have his fun. Part of me actually is hopeful that we’re now ‘turning the corner,’ but the other part of me thinks this. And this is straight from my heart. I thought it was the wrong move to pick Lehtonen in 2002. Not because we should have taken Cam Ward instead. If I posted that, I’d be lying. Kari Lehtonen was the top goaltender prospect of his draft year. No, my objection over his drafting was the requisite number of YEARS and YEARS and YEARS it would take to develop him. I felt thennnn, as I still do Nowwww, that we just didn’t have the TIIIIIME to wait for him to be ready.

Flash forward to 2010. Okayyyyyyyy, it’s 8 years later. We’re done INVESTING TIME in Kari’s development. I guess it’s time for some other organization to SWOOP IN and take him from us, with THEIR THANKS to Atlanta for developing him for them. Sheesh. I’m sorry, folks. Even if you believe Kari stinks. The handling of that 2002 draft stinks more. And don’t scream, “But Brendan, without that deal, we wouldn’t have Jim Slater, today. And Jim Slaters … they just don’t grow on trees. You can’t replace them.”

My gosh, what would it have cost to retain Lehtonen? $2 million? He’s back from the surgeries. He’s supposedly this high pedigree goalie. “Don found his man.” Is this, or is this NOT, an admission of FAILURE by Waddell, yet again, in his goaltender decision-making? Yes … or no.

It’s a “yes or no” answer. I can’t wait to hear Waddell’s take on this. When he traded Jason Williams, he said this, “I guess I can’t say we were entirely happy with the player, since we are trading him.” And Williams was merely a ‘try out’ free agent signing. Make no mistake about this, Don Waddell hung his hat on Kari Lehtonen. We were going to sink or swim with him. Guess which one we did?

Well, I’ll give you a hint. Zero playoff wins.

Mark

February 10th, 2010
11:48 am

Iceman,
Did you see or hear about the article in one of the Toronto newspapers about the possible sale of the Thrashers and move to Hamilton?

gategirl

February 10th, 2010
2:10 pm

Chris 16 We thought about making a drinking game out of every time the announcers said Kovy’s name during the NJ – Philly game

Deborah Madey

February 10th, 2010
7:22 pm

Quoted from the article:

We are talking New Jersey here folks, chemical dump central, located in the dark shadow of New York City

mmmm…….When I first moved to New Jersey, I feared that it was full of factories and co-generation plants. Fast forward to now. It is the Garden State and thee is no place I would rather live. I could live anywhere, and choose to live here, and help others do the same.