Thrashers drop tough one during Music City Snow Jam 2010

Whatever, Debbie Downer.

Those of us who did not attend were hard-pressed to comprehend the game, since the feed on Centre Ice was…well…if you haven’t seen it, you have no idea how weird it was. Let’s see…not hi-def. No commentary or score bar. Occasional interruptions of the game to show us the organ guy rocking out. It was very strange.

As to the game, we lost a game that we should have won. Those first two goals were ridiculous and inexcusable. Beyond that, if only the Slater/Whoever fight hadn’t happened, we should have made it to overtime.

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It was extremely frustrated to see the hard work in the second negated by such a sloppy start to the third. It was also frustrating when the Kane goal got wiped out. Alas, that came back to haunt Atlanta.

Good thing Boris and Arnott seemed okay. That not only looked bad live, it sounded bad live.

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It’s past time that they split up Hainsey & Bogosian. I think I’d rather see Hainsey & Valabik on the 2nd pairing at this point. Every time somebody scores a goal it seems Zach and / or Ron are behind the play just coasting towards the goal. Or they could just trade Hainsey & Kovy to Calgary for Phaneuf, Bourque & Boyd. Saw the replay of Kane’s sweet (no)goal and I can’t for the life of me understand why you would blow the whistle behind the play like that when they are so far from the puck, but I guess that’s how it works. Blow the whistle as soon as the altercation gets heated. But they hadn’t even thrown off the gloves! Oh well, the goal to start the third was inexcusably lazy.

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Oh yeah, heard a lot of LET’S GO THRASHERS chants which had to have been good for the team to hear. Hope they appreciated all of you driving through the weather for a chance to see them play hockey outside Phillips and to be so vocal about it! They owe you thanks, should give you a ticket voucher with ticket stub from Nashville.

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If Waddell blows this Kovalchuk situation and loses him for nothing, he should be fired immediately and driven straight to the airport, given a one-way ticket out of town never to return to this region again.

Why the heck this issue goes unresolved is way beyond me.

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Rawhide, safe travels. Nashvegas can have that effect on some people. Sounds like everyone had a great time. The Preds’ house looked PACKED on the “Jumbotron feed” that Center Ice ran last night.

WBF, the bottom line is this. Going into the 3rd period, Atlanta positioned themselves for ONE POINT in the standings, if they played the 3rd stanza “even” with the Preds. They did not. Consequently, they got ZIP. No points. But am I broken up about it? Look, Nashville is the better team. And there it is. We lose to the Leafs, Isles, Bolts or Cats like that, and it bothers me a bunch.

Miami Screaming Eagle, I think I’m ready to make my prediction on Kovalchuk. They’re not gonna trade him. They’ll obfuscate that Atlanta is way too close to making the playoffs, and keep him. At season’s end, the gloves come off, and Kovy is free to say whatever he jolly well pleases about ownership, Waddell, Coach Anderson, the scouts, whomever. By that point, fans of the club are so angry … that they welcome the trade at the June draft for some other team’s disgruntled, high-salaried cap issue PROBLEM CHILD and a 3rd round pick to the Thrashers.

Our reaction? The problem child player ‘maybe just needs a change of scenery’ and the 3rd round pick is moved for this club’s next Chris Thorburn, to replace either Thorburn or Boulton. And life continues on, led by the perpetually clueless in charge. With their ‘pattented strategy’ of league minimum payroll and reloading via the lottery draft. With six thousand (6,000) fans of the other team attending the home games. Come to think of it, the AS, LLC doesn’t even need a ticket rep for that. They just need an open box office on game day. Yay! Another cost-cutting measure! They should hire me as a consultant. I can fleece them out of their money, Waddell-style. He gave me the blueprint and the idea. All I’d have to do is follow it.

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Just watched the highlights (or lowlights) Man, Bogosian has turned into the worst. Sit him/make him acountable.

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LAC, Brendan, I look at what Burke just did in Toronto, pretty amazing. Change can be done in situations where it is needed, like Atlanta.

With virtually no assets, Burke just went out and bettered his team by getting a superior player to what he gave in return. That’s how a pro does it. Dion Phaneuf can play on my team anytime. All Toronto really gave up to get him was Hagman, who came to Toronto free anyhow – thru free agency.

You have to be willing to make changes in your roster, considering the number of teams in the playoff hunt especially in spots 6-8. By now, it is clear what we are and what we are not. Make some moves, either trades or callups to get this roster going.

Atlanta leads the league in 1 goal games; a few more wins in these games, where would we be?

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WBF, You are CORRECT, he saw a sinking ship and did something to repair it. Will it stick, maybe… maybe not, but for now it might help.

Meanwhile here in Atlanta we are stuck with the man with NO brain waddell, who is STILL calling the shots, though I cannot believe how after he has ruined hockey here and he will do NOTHING to improve the team and esp the DEFENSE, which is being ruined by this zach b. kid !

WAIVE zach b NOW !

We don’t have a preyer as long as The Master of Disaster is in control !

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Thanks to the Nashville High AV club for the game broadcast on NHL Center Ice…of course that is better than we got for the local stations here.

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I think Burke purposely did that to insult Waddell. Haha I can imagine this:

Burke-Hey Donny, guess who I signed??? And guess who you didn’t?
Waddell-Shut up Burke, I bet I could sign Kovy by tomorrow!
Burke-(chuckles) Ooook, whatever.
2 years later, Burke decideds to call Waddell to see what he’s up to, waddell never answers because the team moved.

Sigh……………..

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LAC-even a callup would suit me right now. You have to stor the pot on occasion and this pot is lon overdue for a mixup.

I don’t share your desire to get rid of Bogo, but I do agree with your feelings on his play. I still say he needs a vet to get him in the right direction.

The coaching staff needs to deal with this.

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I am no Waddell fan….however-the last 2 trades between Burke and Waddell, there is no arguing Waddell flattened him.

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Time to beat a dead horse to death. Anderson’s “SYSTEM” stinks. Early in the season we entered the offensive zone with multiple passes and it was fun to see. Now, we’re back to the old dump and chase. BORING. And there is NO DEFENSIVE COMPonent to it. Why in the world can’t Hainsey and Bogosian recognize their defensive assignments when their partner is in the corner or behind the net? All they do is run around and leave gapping holes in front of Moose. Time for Bogosian to sit and watch for awhile. Bring up Kulda. FRUSTRATING, FRUSTRATING to see this team with its talent simply run around.

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When the D-man at the points [ offensive zone ] turns around and starts quickly skating towards his zone to be in position for the other team’s oncoming puck carrier I call it “hauling a$$”. It is usually a smart move.

Right now the Thrasher’s D ain’t hauling a$$ when they should. They are either standing at the other teams blueline or ,even worse, trapped on a stupid pinch.

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WBF, I completely agree. More directly to the point, how do you compensate for blowing the Coburn situation? Well, isn’t the answer, “You get Phaneuf, the 9th overall pick from 2003, one draft position behind #8 Coburn?” Ummn-hmmn. Yes, that’s what you do.

How did Burke pull this off? What did he give up for Giguere, by the way? Giggy walks in this door, he’s the #1 goaltender in Atlanta. Pavelec can be the backup. Toronto had nothing to give. They suck. There’s Schenn, but that’s crazy to give up. So, now they have Kessel, Giggy, and Phaneuf. Next order of business for the Leafs? Jettison Exelby for whatever you can salvage. Oh gosh, he’s coming back to Atlanta, isn’t he? Carolina caught the Leafs in the standings, WBF. Maybe that’s the impetus for these moves. Boston is smiling.

Ya know what? Let’s say the Bruins MISS the playoffs. That means they’ll draft anywhere between 5th and 14th overall. Plus, they get Toronto’s 1st rounder and 2nd rounder vis the Kessel trade. WBF, for argument’s sake, let’s say the Bruins draft 10th overall. Still with me? And, let’s say that the Leafs finish 28th or 29th in the league. Let’s just say 28th. That’s the 3rd overall pick, plus the 10th overall pick, plus the 33rd overall pick. Plus their own 2nd round pick, makes 40th overall. What does it mean? Boston gets four picks inside the Top 40 overall.

Think what they could do! If I’m Waddell, and I must trade Kovalchuk, I’d sure like that 3rd overall pick, via Toronto, from Boston. Even their 10th overall wouldn’t be bad. The Bruins know that Savard and Kovalchuk is a combination that will work. It worked in Atlanta, so it’ll work in Boston, too.

Yeah, I know. The Bruins might make the playoffs, too. I hear ya.

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Well, nice job DWad sleeping on the job again! Shoulda, coulda had Phaneuf. We might have even been able to dump Ron Hainsey considering all of the salary Calgary took on in the deal with TOR. They are SO desperate to make the playoffs that they didn’t even get any real cap relief. Like WBF said, we might have been able to jettison the likes of Afinogenov, White and dare I say, Little to get a #1 D-man to tutor the struggling D-man of the future, Bogosian. Not that Kovy wants to stay. A trade of Kovy, Hainsey & Little for Phaneuf, Bourque, Boyd and Sjostrom (a guy we should’ve signed as a FA) would have given them more cap relief, plus a legitimate shot at keeping Kovy. This team needs grit and work ethic to play with Antro, Kane, Peverley, Slater & Army. If we don’t pick up some hard-working NHL players with a future, we have no shot at keeping Colby in the fold. Now I guess we should focus our attention on Boston and Philly as they seem to be the likely front-runner for Kaptain Kupcake.

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Bourque – Antro – Max

Kane – Peverley – Army

Boyd – Slater – Sjostrom

Boults – Reasy – Thor / White

Phaneuf & Bogo

Kubina & Tobes

Boris & Peanut

Yeah, I think I could like that line-up even with Finny’s nasty habit of turning the puck over at the blueline and whiffing on one-timers.

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Brendan, I totally forgot about the draft! A number of teams dropped the ball on Dion, naturally we were one of them. This guy is 24 years old, barely broken in when you consider the development of defenseman. Elisha will like Toronto.

As for the trades, well like Sam Pollack used to say, the team that gets the best player in a deal wins the deal. Tronna got Jiggy and Dion in 2 deals. Nuff said. Ian White is very over rated. If he didn’t play for the Leafs nobody would know who he is. Mayers is a pipe fitter.

Red Light-I like Stajan and I agree with you that he has not reached his potential. Getting our of Toronto will help him, as it did for Alyn McAuley.

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Where did you sit Rawhide? I didn’t see you at the tailgate or anywhere with the group.

Your take in the Thrashers fans loading up disappointed is completely wrong. Yes it was a tough loss but all the fans who went had a great time before, during and after the game. The bus I rode was very lively and lots of good hockey talk. Many thanks to the Fan Club for setting this trip up.

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Besides our own village idoit running the show here, how can all the other GMs not have offered a better package for Dion than Burke? Surprised the Flames didn’t wait and get a better deal elsewhere. Many teams around the league have better NHL quality depth they could send for Dion than what Toronto sent.

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Rawhide- great meeting you last night, sorry we didn’t run into ya on Broadway, but we’ll jus make a point to do it later this season when the preds and thrash meet in the Stanley Cup Finals. Hope you had a safe trip back…tough one to think about on the drive though…

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Smoothie-hope the boys upstairs are reading your post. Sign him or trade him; doing nothing invites the possibility us getting nothing or close to nothing-what Florida received for Bouwmeester right before he became a UFA.

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Toronto drafted 7th last year, right? If they’re ahead of us by next season, I’m gonna hurl.

I mean, technically, good for the Leafs, right? They’re TRYYYYING to improve themselves. Gazing at the standings, we’re in better position than they are. But really, don’t you have this sinking feeling in the pit of your stomachs that … we’re just marching games off the schedule, with no real goal in sight?

I’m sure there are those who do feel that if losing Kovy is inevitable, we might as well keep him, in hopes of a playoff berth. Rather than trading him and foregoing the rest of the season with whatever is the return. In Waddell’s shoes, Kovy walking in free agency makes #17 look like the bad guy, who wouldn’t accept a reasonable contract. 10-years, $85 million isn’t chump change, if that really was the offer. And if Kovy had accepted it, Atlanta could have really fielded a decent team around him. Of course, that’s more of a July 2009 price structure. Inflation now makes Kovy’s “value” more like $10+ million. Consequences for inaction, anyone?

Truthfully, I don’t know that Atlanta can make the playoffs, even if Kovy stays. I guess it’s possible. But the final 5 games are the toughest games on the whole schedule. I see a point, maybe two, in those final five games. I know that trading Kovalchuk won’t ever replace him. I know that waiting until the June draft to trade him to where he wants to go … might get us something, but it won’t be as good as what we can get at the deadline. And above all, I know we can’t turn the hands of the clock back to 2007, to fire Waddell and Hartley … and bring in real instruments of change for this franchise.

It’s hard to watch it all unfold, folks. But this is the “effect” of standing pat with Waddell. I’ve always said, we must compare ourselves to other teams, in similar situations. One of those teams was the Columbus Blue Jackets, who did fire their village idiot, Doug MacLean. But right now, I think Columbus is in 13th or 14th place in the West, after a 2009 playoff berth, where they got swept by Detroit. So, believe it or not, we’re actually ahead of them, with Waddell. Amazingly. But GM Scott Howson has to make a decision on Head Coach Ken Hitchcock pretty quickly. In fact, it can be argued that he’s already wasted too much time. Tampa Bay is another club to measure ourselves against. Today, the Bolts lost to the Capitals in regulation time. Never cheered so loudly for an Ovechkin goal. I suppose, we can take some comfort in knowing that the Florida Panthers are about an inept as we are. Florida, believe it or not folks, hasn’t won a playoff game since 1997. And they haven’t made the playoffs since 2000, when they were swept out by New Jersey.

The point? Well, sadly, it’s this. There are quite a few inadequate franchises in the NHL. It’s not just us. But just because some other clubs are just as pathetic and poorly run as we are … is no excuse for inaction.

For all the vitriol of Sage of Bluesland, (and this time, that is the real Sage, not the imposters,) he is right about something that is very painful for me to discuss. When Atlanta fans get disrespected, we shrug and make excuses for the ownership and Waddell. Oh, it’s the lawsuit. We can’t expect much. Oh, it’s the hoodwinkable ownership. They just don’t know any better. Oh, it’s that the ownership cares about basketball, not hockey. And then … there’s this thought. We better be happy to be sleeping on the cot in the basement, because it’s really much colder outside. Meanwhile, hubby is shacked up with his secretary, in our bedroom, in OUR house, wearing our pearls. And all the neighbors know it. Her car was in the driveway … all night long. So, she spent the night. But when she goes off to work, it looks like a ‘happy, stable home’ … and a successful marriage, from the curbside drive-by onlookers.

Folks, our house is in disarray. We’re being tremendously disrespected. Hubby’s pretty happy with his live-in mistress, though. Her name is the Hawks. He hasn’t been served with divorce papers, because the Thrasher fans are happy to have a cot … in the cold, damp … mildewy basement. Ostensibly because … it’s really much colder outside. If we don’t get an attorney, to reclaim our house, and order inside it, Hubby won’t be held accountable for his treasonous transgressions. If you’re a STH, you’ve got to call your ticket rep to say … your seat will be empty next season, unless your fire Waddell.

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Rawhide, despite the loss, I think a great time was had by all. It was a pleasure speaking with you for a few moments over at The Second Fiddle.

I spoke with numerous Preds fans that night and all of them were cool people and most thought that we as Thrasher fans travelled real well. It was great to go on the road and make it feel at home.

As for the game itself, Anderson has to find a way to shore up the man advantages that teams get up ice against us. it seems that almost every game teams get 2-3 breakaways from the blue line in and multiple other 2 on 1’s and 3 on 2’s. There really should be no excuse in allowing a goal 7 seconds into a period.

As for Kovy, whether he stays or goes is one thing, but the thing that bothers me the most is that it does not seem like he is putting in a full effort for the last 10 games. He has not been hustling to the puck as he normally does, he hardly hits anyone anymore (is he saving his body for his new contract?) and just appears to be loafing at times when he is on the ice. if your gonna leave us, at least gives us your best until the last game.

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Keep ‘em coming, R.Stroz. You’re on a roll!

I think Todd White can be packaged. You’ve just got to find a team flush against the cap. If Waddell can find a home for Patrik Stefan and Brad Larsen, he can trade White, as well.

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Well brown 33, YOU been watching zach’s play this season, HE $UCKS, PERIOD.

At this point you should improve not regress and he is THE WORST Defensmen on the
team, he has COST us at least 6-7 games this seasons, Games we would have WON if NOT for good old little wimp boy zach… He is not going to improve, if he was he would be, he is a WASTER third overall pick who is NOT NHL ready and not worthy of the “A”, he SHOULD be in the ECHL at the very very best.

So brown33, YOU watch his play next game and see how many goals he gives Tampa, I bet TWO !

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What the heck is Calgary doing? First Phaneuf, now Jokinen (if the deal goes through) for some ‘interesting’ pieces in return. I wonder if they’re putting together a package to trade for…?

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Why would the Flames ever consider trading Jokinen for Kotalik?? At least Ollie hustles and plays both ways.

Damn it, I knew CGY would be open to trading both Phaneuf and Jokinen. ATL could have been the trading partner with Kovy as the centerpiece. But perhaps they wanted at least 2 roster players (Little and Hainsey?) back in a deal for Dion.

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Watched the low def game on center ice, while listening to 680 the low def radio broadcast. The sound of Thrasher fans was very cool to hear coming from Nashvegas!!! Kudos to all the Thrasher fans who made the trip!!
After watching OTF last night and learning about all the moves the ML’s just made, I cant’ help but wonder what sort of things are going on with Dudley and Waddell in terms of deals? Dealin’ Don and Rick have got to have something up their collective sleaves, right????
WBF – 119 H for Tues.. Hope to see you!!! You too Rawhide , ya big galumph…

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Am I the only one that is asick of NBC showing the Penguins every week? Don’t get me wrong I like having the extra hockey, but good grief……
NBC = Nothing But Crosby. And is there a bigger douche than Pierre McGuire? I’m waiting for he and Sid to elope.

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Yes!

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Biltong – I hear ya man. I’m getting annoyed to the point that I wish Dealin’ Donnie would trade for Campbell and Malhotra and sign Zherdev to a $6.5 M deal to replace Kovy. Make all the players who spurned us play in this terrible hockey purgatory. Then again, I guess Z wanted to play for us. I traded for him in NHL 2009 and he couldn’t finish as well as I would like so I traded him to CHI for Patrick Sharp. Man I love me some Patrick Sharp!

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hip czech – there are a lot worse players who could come here than Jokinen such as Kotalik, Redden and over-the-hill Drury. Hell, if that were to happen and we could get let’s say Jokinen, Staal and Dubinsky (we would surely have to give up Little or Army and probably Kubina), I would be quite pleased. Kovy and Grossman would not need to worry about a lack of funds because Sather would certainly find a way to give Kovy what he wants.

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Apparently, the Flames / Rangers deal might still be on according to Sportsnet in CA. According to them, Kotalik must give permission.

This trade seems very odd to me. It would basically be Chris Higgins for Ollie Jokinen straight up. Prust is a goon and plays 5-6 mins / night at best (does this mean Brashear is gonna get cut?) and Kotalik is a PP specialist capable of scoring once every blue moon at best.

Will there be more dealing by Sather to free up space for Kovy? Would Kovalchuk ever agree to play in NY for Torts of all coaches? Doubtful if you ask me. As much as I still think Jokinen has game (in the right system), I hope to hell Donnie does not make a deal with NY as I fear the worst when it comes to some of their old, washed-up players.

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Sutter wouldn’t look like so much a fool then, would he?

No, he wouldn’t..guess who winds up playing the fool in that scenario? Sorry, Hagman and Higgins are good 2nd or 3rd line players…we have enough of those already.

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Phaneuf is signed for 4 years after this year at a hit of $6.5m per year. That would leave us about $2.5m to sign someone to replace Kozlov on the 2nd line, Kane is taking the top LW spot next year.

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Red Light – interesting scenario you paint. I think we would be much better off with that trio than what we have now. I’d rather have Hagman on the 2nd line than Afina-skatearound. Max is wearing me out. At least he isn’t turning the puck over as much.

hip czech – I realize that return wouldn’t be very glamourous, but wouldn’t you rather have a consistent, 2-way player like Hagman who can pot 20-25 goals / year over Kozlov and Max? Add some grit to that line with Higgins who has not realized his potential due to erratic minutes and I think it would be a decent trade. Look at the line up potential:

Kane – Antro – Little (or Max)

Hagman – Pevs – Higgins

Army – Slater – Max (or B-Lits)

Reasy’s Pieces

Kubes & Tobes

Bogo & White

Hainsey & rotation of Boris / Salmsy

Right now, White would be an upgrade over either of our two under-performing 2nd pairing D-men.

While I think we could do better in a Kovy trade, at least we wouldn’t have to trade a goalie to CGY in this scenario. I’d rather they wait longer with Lehtonen and trade Moose at the deadline if Lehts plays well and can show his early spring form of last season.

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WBF, I swear I posted saturday, Kovy for Dion??? I knew he was about to be traded, now I’m freaking pissed off. UGH. I hate toronto and they FLEECED the flames.
That a boy DW and ASG. A stud D man for the next four years at 6.5 is a STEAL (see Brian Campbell). We have a disgruntled captain, let’s be realistic ladies and gentleman, the time for signing Kovy has come and gone…unfortunate, but the fact none the less. Now what do we do???
Side note, I’ve gone to a nashville game each of the last 5 years…that barn is one of the coolest places ever to see a hockey game. I love it. Sorry I missed going to see the thrashers this time> I’ve actually never gone to see ATL, just other various teams from the West. As far as the bars Bill, well I have a few stories, being a single, bald, skinny guy!! What happens in Nashville stays at the marriott, ugh I mean in nashville!!! I love that town. What a party, all the time. I also suggest the country music fest in the summer, even if you dont like country, if you’re single it’s a HELL of a weekend!!!!!!

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Bill – thank you for mentioning Joey Crabb. Boy is flat-out on a tear of late. Scored 2 goals on Friday night’s win I think and has something like 10 goals in his last 16 games. Uh, time to cut bait with Slava or White and to open up a roster slot for 3rd line grit auditions. I’d rather have Colby playing wing on the 2nd line than White or Kozlov, especially if DWad is going to chicken out and keep Kovy for the “playoffs” stretch run. Idiot.

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apparently Exelby was wearing number 7 at the leafs skate this AM – guess he got no love when Dion came in and wanted his number.

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Donny didn’t fleece me, I just needed to clear cap space for Komiserick.

I like Donny, he’s a moron, but I like him anyway.

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WE DONT NEED ANYMORE EUROPEAN PLAYERS…..PERIOD !!!!!!

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Kooling off for Kovy????

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/151770-interest-in-kovalchuk-cooling?eref=fromSI

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the roster is at capacity, I believe. you can’t bring someone up without making room. there’s also the issue of having to clear waivers for some players. not as simple as sticking someone from chicago in the roster for a game or two just to take a look.

as far as a petition goes, i think that’s been talked about pretty much every season and may have been tried at some point with little to no participation and/or success.

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Did the Thrashers practice today? If so, any reports from Duluth?

If today passes and we still have 3 goalies then Waddell’s statement from last week is just one more case of Waddell blowing hot air.

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Rawhide – Spencer Macho-check would certainly not need to clear waivers as he’s only played 2 NHL games. Crabb and Gratton may be a different story. I still think Crabb should have been on the roster starting from day 1. He probably would have made it if not for the late waiver pick-up of Schubert. And the injury to Valabik made Popovic necessary. Not really sure how Oystrick’s play at the end of last season didn’t count for more in the battle with Popovic. I like Pops but Oystrick played well in spite of XLB and sometimes Valabik.

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relax everybody, i am not sure how dion going to perform in east against big guns (ove, sid, malkin, stamkos, ext.) fire power in west, ofcourse he not played against iginla, much lesser. also remember kovy, when not contract distracted made him look like clown. so i am not in a hurry to declare toronto winner in this trade. now, could somebody explain me what asg is thinking. we already 6-8 point short because kovy situation affected everybody on the team. he is playing 40-50 % (don’t pay attention what JA saying, he knows it’s not tru but he must follow ASG+DW lie rule). let me get 2 possibilittis. #1 kovy got hurt on olimpicks or prior. what return DW going to get on deadline march 3 – nothing. #2 kovy not sign we in playoff playing with him. would he play to win or to save consider if he get seriosly injured it’s jeopardize his future long term big bucks. any way like usually asg screw up everything shoting himself in the foot. i give up guys.

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I just wish #17 would MAN UP to the FANS here on what he will do.

This cat and mouse crap has gone far enough, either come out and say
it’s over in Atlanta I will not resign or resign.

As far as don waddell goes, he is the most lying piece of human scum I have ever seen, Nobody like that deserves to be employed
even as a dish washer, waddell has LIED and LIED and LIED to ALL of us
I would just like to walk up and knock his teeth out, maybe, just maybe then the little coward would finally show some backbone, but I doubt it.

waddell has no idea what to do or how to do it. He will screw up any type trade that comes along, give #17 a week to sign or get out of town
before the Olympics, so all this mess will not be hanging over our heads for three weeks… GOD to have a REAL Professional GM, could this EVER happen for this messed up franchise ?

Like I said, Where the HELL is the NHL and Gary Bettman, I am losing a LOT of respect for him as each day passes, he needs to step in and
take over this club before it sinks to the absolute bottom.

Come on Bettman DO SOMETHING !

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Silly sheep! Don’t you realize that all you’re discussing–all you’ve EVER been discussing is merely re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic???

Do you even realize that? I’m serious with this question. I snicker when reading some of the comments which are sure to make the team do better–line changes and such rot in particular!

Keep re-arranging those chairs, lambchops, but allow me to let you in on a little secret: the Titanic is going down…down…down…This particular one has been sinking for near a decade now.

Yet many simply said, “MMMMM, Chocolate!” when it was quite the opposite being fed to them…but you lapped it up, didn’t you? You wanted to believe so, so badly!

(and you refused to listen to those who can spot a fraud a mile away)

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Alex-the comments from players out west, especially in Vancouver are all elated that they will no longer have to play against Dion Phaneuf on a regular basis. Had Atlanta acquired Phaneuf, I can assure you that all the guys you listed would have had their heads up whenever Dion was on the ice. And at 24, he has plenty of gas to play his game, 28 minutes per game with no problem.

In football, if the opposing team has a great pass rusher off the right end (i.e. Bruce Smith), you go out and get a left tackle to attempt to neutralize him. Phaneuf would have been a neutralizer for Atlanta. Mean, nasty, surly, warrior, body checker-sounds alot like Denis Potvin to me.

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R.Stroz, “Habitit for Hockey,” how to be a minor league team in the NHL, and make ‘incremental progress’ doing it.

Ya know what I think of when I think of our team? Ever see a little kid trying to make it up a really steep incline on his bike? Right about the time it looks like he’s reached the plateau … and will rocket down the other side … he plummets back down the hill, from whence he started.

That’s ussssssssssssss. We’re that little kid, still trying to climb that steep hill on our first bike. But we can’t help it. We keep watching and hoping that today is the day that the kid makes it over the hill, to the other side.

WBF, I have to wonder if Rick Dudley is having second thoughts. Maybe, he’s still silently behind the scenes … pulling his hair out. But he can’t say anything, ‘cuz he’s secretly hoping that Waddell gets fired or kicked upstairs, so that he can gain control of the team.

But I’ll repeat this thought, if that’s true. You cannot bring about change … while retaining Waddell at the same time. If you make Rick Dudley the GM, but he has to ask, “Mother, may I?” to Don Waddell before making any move, then nothing has changed. It’s just been renamed. Waddell’s still in charge. Just not the “face” sitting in the GM chair. And Dudley would be nothing more than a puppet, like the LAST EMPEROR, Pu Yi. And Blueland would be his “Manchuquo.” Not Manchuria. Dudley will not be the next “Lord of 10,000 Years, His Majesty, the Emperor.” If Waddell is forced to clean out his office, then I’ll believe real changes are afoot. Despite what many claim, I think Waddell has far more power, authority and direction over the Thrashers than many think. Said another way, the AS, LLC will defer all matters of hockey judgement to Dudley, if Waddell walks or is FORCED out.

I simply don’t believe, back in 2005, that any member of the AS, LLC could positively identify Devin Setoguchi in a police lineup. Nor do I believe that the AS, LLC ever said to Don, “You get us Alexei Zhitnik, or you’re fired.” I believe they said, “YOU SAYYYY we need a defenseman. Go get one. Go fix it. Fix it, now! Or else!” And that’s vastly different from, “Either you get us Alexei Zhitnik, or we get ourselves a new GM.” And therein lies a fairly substantial difference. In the same spot, Dudley may have fired Hartley and come down to the bench to “fix” the problem. Or, he would have made a better trade.

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Let’s hope the team is working as a unit Tuesday night and wins, as we have ZERO chance to win in D.C.

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Give me Danick Paquette, Jeremy Morin, Karl Klingberg, Paul Postma and Arturs Kulda to go with Kane, Bogosian, Machacek, Slater, Thorburn and Crabb. They seem anything but slow and soft. Okay, perhaps Morin is a bit slow. But how much longer am I willing to wait??

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Is the trade official World?

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WBF – good comment on the CBJ. My reference was only to point out that they took decisive action, versus “milling about smartly”!!!!

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So Calgary is overloaded with Wings now – guess another trade is coming soon. Could it involve Kovy? What does Calgary have to offer?

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Table-not sure Calgary has much left that I would have interest in.

The player that interests me is Ethan Moreau from the Oilers. The team captain, hard working, good corner man and net charger. He needs a change.

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If the Philly part of this rumor is true, I will personally drive Kovalchuk to Philly…

The Rangers are talking to Atlanta about Kovalchuk, but so far the Rangers are insisting that Redden be a part of the deal. Atlanta is not biting.

The Kings and Thrashers are not getting closer to a deal either (as of 6pm tonight at least) The Thrashers are not getting a “key element” Waddell wants in the deal. The Kings are offering up the prospects, but not the player Waddell is looking for who could help the Thrashers this season to make a run.

While there are expected to be as many as 10 teams in on Kovalchuk this week (the Official Week of Kovalchuk I am told) it really comes down to the same few teams..

The Bruins (who are in need of a piece they could be getting from Edmonton still)
The Flyers (The Thrashers would want 2 of van Riemsdyk, Hartnell, Giroux… The Flyers would need the Thrashers or someone else to take more money off their hands likely Carle)

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Remember prior to and during the deadline in 2008 with Hossa?

Cory Stillman, Mike Commodore, Patrick Eaves, Joe Corvo, Brian Campbell, Steve Bernier Tuomo Ruutu, Andrew Ladd, Cristobal Huet, Brad Richards, Jussi Jokinen, Marc Andre Bergeron, Hal Gill and Brad Stuart changed sweaters before Waddell finally pulled the trigger on the infamous Hossa deal.

The summer following, free agents like Rolston, Hossa, Ryder, Stillman, Hagman, Streit, Commodore, Campbell, J. Ruutu, Orpik, Huselius, B. Morrison, Montador and Brisebois and Selanne were among those available.

Waddell signed Reasoner, Hainsey, J. Williams and Boulton.

This year, Kovy, Marleau, Nabokov, Cullen, Jokinen, Higgins, Plekanec, Frolov, Tanguay, Ponikarovsky, Stajan, Svatos, Kubina, Volchenkov, Turco and Rinne are available.

Both years are eerily similar because after the top 5-10 players there really isn’t a whole lot of quality help available and there are plenty of teams that will have plenty of cap space to bid on the top guys.

In my opinion, you either have to re-sign Kovy and Kubina or deal everyone on your UFA list to try to stockpile your roster for next season or the next two seasons. If you don’t think you have enough depth in Chicago (doubtful) to sustain you then it would seem the time is right for several deals now. If you depend upon Atlanta’s ability to overpay the top free agents this summer, which we all know ain’t happening, then you have to do it through trades.

We’ve lost the ability to strike while the iron is hot, thanks to Sutter, Burke and Sather, so we had better strike when the iron is at least medium.

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while i am aching for the Kovalchuk issue to be resolved, I did buy tickets for the game tonight in hopes of catching him in thrasher blue one more time in person, so if something happens today, i hope it’s after 10:30pm or so.

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J.B – I had the same thoughts. I caught Hossa’s last home game why not go for Kovy’s? Though there could be some credibility in the theory that no team will pick up Kovy before the Olympics since they would have to pay his salary while he is playing in Vancouver.

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Hartnell may be a D!ck, but, he would be the Thrashers D!ck. World of difference there.

Smoothie – I would pull the trigger on that trade right now and ride shotgun with you all the way to Philly so we wouldn’t have to stop.

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No way would I want to see Emery here. Decent goalie when he’s on his game, but not good for a locker room.

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Smoothie… of course it was Eklund. Nobody rebutable is willing to say that much… that’s why I qualified it with “if it’s true”.

I’d say the LA deal sounds best to me if Lombardi is willing to budge on the “key element”… which I’m guessing is either Jack Johnson or Dustin Brown… the prospects would have to be Brayden Schenn and Loktionov… maybe Simmonds if he’s still considered a “prospect”.

Simmonds could also be the “key element”… the kid is emerging and scouts, apparently, are crazy about him.

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TableHockey – I agree no other team will want to pay kovy while he’s skating for Russia in Vancouver. I figured since i’m not going to the olympics, today was still likely my last chance even though he could technically still be a thrasher until the trade deadline.

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Well, with regards to Machacek… anyone willing to give up so much for Kovalchuk as a rental might want some long term value as well, ie Machacek.

So, would you give up Kovalchuk and Machacek for, say, JVR, Giroux and Carle?

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Philly would have to move Carter if they had any chance to sign Kovalcuk long term…unless the other players they have signed to big contracts waive their no-trade clause.

Carter/Giroux/Carle for Kovalchuk/Salmela or some D in Chicago/ and a goalie

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Not to switch gears too much, but how can the Lightning be sold twice in the past to years, and we can’t find a buyer? Tampa’s not going anywhere for a few years at least, and a Boston based guy is buying them now.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightning/content/meetings-move-tampa-bay-lightning-sale-closer-conclusion

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Smoothie – I’d like Hartnell and JVR first. Think we could someone with Hartnell’s attitude. Giroux would be the second choice after JVR. He has some slick moves, but, think we need power first.

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Could be worse Thrasher fans

It definetly could be worse – I was perusing the Flames message boards today and that place is a wreck right now!

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DWTOO – agreed on that count. But none of this will probably happen. Sigh. I think we’re stuck with Kovy until at least the deadline. And if we go 3 – 2 – 1 or 2 – 2 – 2 over this next 6 games, Waddell will probably foolishly hang onto Kovy for the “stretch run”…ha ha! Damn.

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GavA-too prone to injury. Really liked him Buffalo, but he has slowed down.

Table-I bet they are totally losing their minds in Calgary. Stinks in Edmonton too, being in LAST PLACE. Fans are not so smug in Alberta these days!

Now Eklund has Kovy rumored to New Jersey. Is this his Groundhog Day Prediction? Could you imagine Kovy and Jacques LeMaire together? The only team not in play for Kovy is my favorite team from the old North American Hockey League-the Beauce Jaros.

http://www.officialgamepuck.com/TownIndex/Canadian/Quebec%20Towns/Beauce%20Jaros.htm

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Briere would fit right in on a line with White and Kozlov on the wings!

If we trade for Briere, I’m officially changing my allegiance to NSH or some team out west that I will only have to see play once in awhile.

This week’s series of games against SE Division rivals will probably set the table for what we do at the deadline. Win the TB and Fla games and DWad has some breathing room on making a Kovy trade. If not, and we lose 4 or 5 of 6, then we could end up wholesale sellers come March 2nd!

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Come on, guys. Eklund? You really believe any of his nonsense? Waddell and Grossman won’t even talk to the press, and you think Eklund has info? Really? No, really!?

Calgary’s GM needs his head examined for moving Phaneuf for that, again I’d have taken Phaneuf for Kovy straight up and laughed about if for years. Phaneuf is a stud and will be for years, Burke made a very smart move there. Remember, we could have had Burke from Day 1, yet we still sit here saddled with Waddell.

Ok, here’s my made up fantasy Eklund impersonation for today. Burke grabbed Phaneuf and Giggy and will move them after the All-Star break to Atlanta for Kovy and Lehtonen

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Haven’t we been burned by Philly and GM Holmgren enough? Honestly, why can’t Dudley be making our trades, if there are trades to be made?

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WBF – I would love to get LeMaire’s autograph! Think he is tied for the record for most game winning Stanley Cup goals.

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Bob… it’s called “passing the time”… I don’t think anyone here truly believes Eklund… and really, do we need to be reminded of that everytime someone says “Eklund”?!

Kind of gets the same reaction when anyone mentions the word, “Waddell”.

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How many times has Carle been traded now? I don’t know what’s true and what isn’t, but anytime a player is traded every two years or so, it’s not usually all that good. For it means each that gets him, thinks he’s an expendable piece.

Folks, I’ll remind you of something, as you deliberate who you’d like Atlanta to get, if the player didn’t AGREE TO SIGN HERE, he probably doesn’t want to be here. And when the option is exclusively his, about where he plays, he’ll likely make like a tree and leave. So, you’ve got to look at a Phaneuf-type situation, where the player is still locked in for 4 or more years.

I completely agree with Bob. This trade of Phaneuf is utterly ridiculous. I’m at the point, now, where I wonder if Darryl Suter will still be the Flames GM in the Fall of 2010. If the team falters, what does Darryl do? Fire his own brother, Brent? Any time a team brings in six (6) new faces, this late into a season, then that should tell you that something’s gone haywire.

Folks, I’ll toss this question out there for your deliberation. Is the trade deadline for ‘tweaking’ your roster, or OVERHAULING in desperation? You shouldn’t need much time to craft your answer.

If the Flames do fire Darryl Suter, he’d still be a better GM than Waddell. With Darryl as GM, and Brent as Head Coach, at least our boys would play defense. And we’d have vision and a strategy. And it wouldn’t take a DECADE’s worth of time to craft it.

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Smoothie-I believe you are correct on LeMaire at 10 cups. Very underrated as a player, exceptional at both ends of the rink, but not outstanding. He still looks like he has “the fire” too.

Brendan-I think Carle’s biggest problem is that he carries a contract that is too rich for his talent. Like alotta guys Philly brings on. Overpaid for his abilities. I hope the Thrashers don’t become a dumping ground for bad contracts. We already have a few ourselves.

GaVa-you wonder why McKenzie has never been on Hockey Night in Canada. He’s pretty straight – maybe that’s his problem with HNIC!

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WBF – I’m afraid u r attributing me credit for something someone else wrote w/r/t Lemaire. But very true. Perhaps Lemaire would be able to convince Kovy to play a 2-way game 100 percent of the time. But I’m afraid until Kovy learns to diversify his offensive game it won’t matter. He can’t even score on his backhand and rarely scores off a deke or a greasy goal from in front. His game is too drpendent on the rush and scoring thru screens.

Brendan – to take your point a step further: do you really believe Kovy wants to be here? If he did, he’d be signed by now. And if this is the 3rd year of a 4 year rebuild, then we can’t afford to get just picks and prospects. We’ve got some talent but we are not a complete team, obviously.

Nikita – good points about Macho. He seems like the right kind of player for this organization right now, someone who, along with Kane, Bogo and Pevs, can change this team’s culture. Let’s hope their buddy Levko Koper (love that name) blossoms as well as a future Thrasher.

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“Eklund is no worse than any of the Canadian press outlets.”

Hokie, you say the silliest things sometimes, that’s like saying Obama is as good a Prez as, ah, nevermind.

I’m likin’ Popovic back in the lineup. I played golf with a couple guys from Tronna last month and they were talking Pops up, said we’d be happy with how he pans out for us. I’ve always liked his game.

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“you wonder why McKenzie has never been on Hockey Night in Canada. He’s pretty straight – maybe that’s his problem with HNIC!”

McKenzie is on there a lot, can’t say I’ve seen him this year, but he was all over it last, I like his takes

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From Darren Dreger on TSN chat: “…the Atlanta Thrashers are still working hard to re-sign their captain to a long term, mega-million dollar deal. As of yesterday, sources close to the negotiation stated there’s as good a chance of Kovalchuk staying in Atlanta as there is of Thrashers GM Don Waddell trading him. Atlanta remains in a battle for a playoff spot and Kovalchuk is key to this franchise making the playoffs. There has been much written about LA’s expected play for Kovalchuk, however I believe the Kings have targeted Ray Whitney. Boston has also been rumoured to have interest, and the Bruins do, but not if it means mortgaging the future to make the deal. Multiple teams will continue to keep Waddell’s number on speed dial, however the asking price is said to include 4 or 5 key assets. We’re talking a young roster player(s), prospects and draft picks. Few teams will line up to pay that.”

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Grossman’s twitter must’ve crapped out before he could finish that sentence with: “…but a couple million dollars.”

Sorry, I have just grown tired of this charade. Surely if Kovy is the kind of leader and person we all thought he was at the beginning of this season, he would realize that asking for more than what Ovie is getting paid is quite insane not to mention what a $10 M + contract will do to this already cash-strapped ownership group. If we are going to allow Kovy to hold us prisoner, why not just offer him 10% stake in the ASG with the option to buy more shares after he retires??

Even with the allowance for playing in a place like ATL where there is a lot of perceived uncertainty, there is no way Kovy is worth more than $1 M more than market value which should place him in the area of $7.5 – 8.5 M / year. Perhaps Grossman realizes that, eventhough the Cap will probably not go up for a few years, inflation will start to move well above 3% under Obama and 5-10% more of his earnings will get taxed.

Brendan – lastly, if it is that obvious to us that both ASG and DW suck beyond sucking, why the hell does anyone believe Kovy would be foolish enough to sign here long-term?? If we don’t trade him, you can darn well bet Lombardi will use Frolov’s $5 M and Randy Jones’ $2.4 M to sign Kovy to a lucrative deal between $7.5 – $8.5 M / year. Surely, they can afford to get him in FA. Where does that leave us if Donnie refuses to pay above market value? That’s right, another re-build.

All we can do is hope and pray that Boston, Philly, even LA falters again in the next 2 weeks to make them desperate enough to cave into some of Waddell’s trade demands. If not, then we can only hope Dudley can help DWad get a good return from CHI and rescue them from salary cap hell. $10 M over if Buffy, Versteeg and Barker all get 10% raises. The Hawks may have no choice, but they don’t need to do it now.

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just passin’ it along

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I’m sick of rebuilding. I want to win NOW. And by win I don’t even need a cup just ONE playoff victory would be nice

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I see McKenzie on TSN not HNIC

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Smoothie, for Kovy, Atlanta is one of the markets he can utterly commandeer. If that’s his goal. Think of the POWER he’d hold? GM’s and Coaches cost $1 million apiece, at the most. His deal is worth $10+ million. Who’s in charge? Kovy is, with a no trade clause.

But what are Kovy’s true intentions? If Kovy gets his deal from Atlanta, maybe he could demand Waddell’s firing? That’d be nice. But that act, alone, won’t stabilize the ownership situation. Smoothie, I don’t know what to tell ya, bro. The AS, LLC runs the Thrashers like a business, not a sports franchise. In their view, Kovy is the one selling the tickets. So, they’ll probably keep him, blustering and obfuscating about a playoff berth. Counting the gate after every game.

And if they do manage to re-sign him at some ungodly sum, it’ll be pretty tough for them to do much more with the roster. We’ll be “middling fodder” for the rest of the league for the duration of Kovalchuk’s new deal. Welcome to 15th place in the NHL, in perpetuity. Some years we make the playoffs at #7 or #8, and sometimes, we miss at #9. Anyway you slice and dice it, we’re DONE in the 1st round of the playoffs, as a “one-trick” pony.

If the Thrashers can finagle a trade for locked-up players, it’s worth at least pursuing. Of course, in my view of things, I’d fire Waddell immediately, and use the draft picks to re-shape and mold the team. Let the new GM hold the firesale. Kovy and Savard have worked before. Prying that lottery draft pick the Bruins hold via Toronto, to give them Kovalchuk, might be a nice possibility for the next GM. Imagine if the Thrashers drafted 3rd and 8th, let’s just say? Even if the next GM doesn’t want to make the selections, he can still trade them for roster players. It’s a bit short-sighted, in terms of strategy, but changing the minor-league climate that exists here is, or should be, a top priority.

We could go on and on about speculations, Smoothie. But, I really … I just have zero confidence that the AS, LLC will remove Waddell, EVER. Waddell will be here for as long as they are in charge. They think they have a “prize” in the GM chair. So, what will it matter whether we get draft picks, prospects, traded players, or merely salary cap relief as Kovy walks for nothing? Or something close to nothing at the June Draft. Step #1 … is not a Kovy trade. Step #1 … is making Waddell clean out his desk, about six years too late.

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That is all about recycling!!! LEED certified at that.

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mother f**kin thrashers cant f****n win! 2-0 bolts so far! F**k the thrashers! Im now a Caps fan!

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I now have to agree, I am switching to a WINNER, Nashville, I am SICK and TIRED of this TRASH called the Thrashers. This first period was $HIT
period, NO NOTHING as USUAl and The Coaster was back out there Coasting as Always !!!

I’ve finally had enough and cannot support this Wreck anylonger, just a bunch of QUITTERS and a minor league coach and owners who are simply
put should be in a mental hospital and a GM that the WORST HUMAN BEING
on Earth, there is NOTHING that could be bad enough to happen to the man who destroyed hockey in Atlanta… Go to HELL YOU QUITTERS !

GO NASHVILLE !!!!!!!!! Well owned, Well Managed and players who know how to win and they GIVE A DAMN, Atlanta players do not !

Go to HELL waddell !!!!!!!!!

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Rawhide-Didn’t I tell you Whitey would score??

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At the beginning of the broadcast Darren mentioned that Kincaid had a rumor about Kolvy being traded this weekend. He did not give any details. Does anyone know anything.

Personally I think his leaving is now the best thing for the team. A great disappointment as Captain.

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“I see McKenzie on TSN not HNIC”

Oh, you’re right. He’s on TSN all the time, sorry!

White scored? Blind squirrel, it was Pop’s good play that he just tipped. Pavelec looked awful in the 1st, better in the 2nd. This club is so dysfunctional this 3rd could go either way, we win 4-3 or lose 5-1, it’s TheHockeyWay

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CC !

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Stendec, Do you think last place in the east is still something Atlanta can gun for ? I do, Your thoughts on these QUITTERS who, like you say,
NO heart, NO grit, NO hustle, NO giving a damn. You are correct, AS always, on Captain Quitter, max salary NO WAY !

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Standec…. Can you just see Willi Plett against Captain Creampuff ?
How about Ken Houston, He broke Dave Schultz’s jaw remember, against
say crybaby zach ? Or Pat Ribble going up against, ron, I missed him on the ice, so you can quote me in the paper, hainsey ? If would be a slaughter !!!!

Lastly, like YOU said, Where O Where are all these “I love waddell”
Idiots. They rake us over the coals when WE TELL IT LIKE IT IS, but when IT does come out with lackluster play etc… Where the HELL are they. Crying in their BEER because WE ARE RIGHT and they have not a leg to stand on. Bet Slava is laughing his tail off because he is not involved in this crap.

I just think everyone should boycott ALL remaining games until a new OWNER is found, one who will FINALLY FIRE worthless waddell !

Thanks for your support Mr.Stendec !!!!!! Keep up the GOOD WORK !

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Does anyone remember an ESPN commercial, perhaps 12-16 years ago, with Rangers goalie Mike Rickter stopping everything shot at him,….or the puck appeared to hit the post? He then skates away and another shot, obviously on net bounces out. He comes back and rubs the rubber mark off a plexy-glass net covering. Seems like that in the Nittymaki situation against the Thrashers.

Moose lost a couple of games giving up 2, or less, goals,..now Pavs gets the same result. This can’t be blamed on our defense,…can it? Coach’s system is offensive,…if we get 1 goal I’d have to say it isn’t working too well.

Who are the Atlanta Thrashers. What is their identity?

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Do you think the Marx Brothers (ASG) got together and said “gee, let’s buy a hockey team and make sure it sucks all the time. We can hire a clown (Waddell) to run it, who will hire our first coach (Fraser) who has no business being an NHL coach. And it will go on forever unless we piss everyone off so nobody allows us to steal their money anymore”.

Atlanta Thrashers=Pittsburgh Pirates of the National Hockey League.

How could anybody let this Kovy situation get this far? How incompetent are these people, from top to bottom. This should have resolved months ago. Don Waddell should be fired tomorrow. How can anyone let a player control a situation so much that it disrupts the team for 1/2 a season. The sports world must be laughing at us for supporting this franchise for 10 years.

Most of all, then we can dedicate ourselves to gangster basketball.

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I totally agree Don Waddell should have been fired (fill in blank) years ago. Owners? What owners? Cowards are chicken shet bestards afraid to show their crater pocketed faces! Have absolutely no use for ANY of them. But you know something that bothers me even more? A player who puts himself above the team! A supremely SELFISH player. That player is Russian immigrant Ilya Kovalchoke. The team (insert laughter here) captain who does not give a damn about the team of which he is the captain. Understand? And he is holding out (mentally at least) for $10 million per season. Really? What have you done for me lately IK? Missed hundreds of wide open shots? Fled like a thief in the night when an opponent skates nearby? Marked the ice surface with figure eights awaiting breakout passes? You let me down. No problem. You let the fans down. Who cares? You let the city down. Been done by other pro teams. You let your teammates down! As captain? Totally unacceptable! Was that explained enough? ++STENDEC++

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sinserelly but wrong. this is amater view. still not get why you pick up on nationality. is russians due you. i assume he is not legal immigrant, if so GM of usa team get him on the olimpic roster despite your hate. only upper managment responsible for environment to star players be succesfull. check how that working in deitroit, washington, pittsburg, ets. sorry organizations atlanta, miami, columbus always get stendecs to blame players for managments fouls. don’t worry he going to be ok because in suberia exile (atlanta) he already been, and this is the worst. need to get rid of asg and donny ASAP. maybe to late and hockey be out of there in 2 years.

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