No, I don’t think Anderson should be fired. However…

Well, as sure as hell is hot, one thing that a nine-game losing streak will spawn is calls for a coach to be fired.

“His system doesn’t work”…is what we’ll hear.

”He’s losing the locker room”…will be the reasoning.

”Someone has to be held accountable”…people will demand.

Certainly, it’s to be expected from paying customers and passionate followers of a team mired in the type of slump the Thrashers find themselves in. This is especially so here in Thrasherville given the fact that not too long ago one coach was axed the day following a sixth-consecutive loss to begin the 2007-08 season.

About the only place that is warm around Atlanta these days is the seat John Anderson is on. But is he the only person in the organization whose backside should be a bit toasty? (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Darryl Dyck)

About the only place that is warm around Atlanta these days is the seat John Anderson is on. But is he the only person in the organization whose backside should be a bit toasty? (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Darryl Dyck)

That man was Bob Hartley and, as many will point out, the losing streak that cost him his job was not six but actually ten games dating back to the four-game sweep just the spring before during the one and only playoff appearance in the franchise’s history. And John Anderson, along with the current edition of the Thrashers, are but loss one away from that magical ten-game slide…albeit, there have been three charity points given them for at least getting a few games into overtime during this frustrating string of losses.

Now, as I stated above, with this nine-game nightmare comes the inevitable and no-so-surprising calls for Anderson’s ouster. But don’t count me in that number…at least, not just yet.

Personally, I put far more of the blame for the current predicament the Thrashers are in on the players than he or the current coaching staff. You can disagree with me if you wish…but I’ve seen what his system can do when players are where they are supposed to be and doing the things they are supposed to do. So, I’m not ready to give up on the good coach at this time.

However, if…IF…IF the Atlanta Spirit gang actually does decide that “enough is enough” and move to make a change, then they need to decide that simply changing just the coach… again… is not “enough”. They need to also give careful consideration to the notion that the man who has hired the first three head coaches in the franchise’s history should not be given the opportunity to hire the fourth.

In short, if a firing of any kind is in order here, this time it simply has to be Don Waddell that is shown the door…whether or whether not the coach is on his way out as well.

There’s a couple of reason’s why I opine in this manner…beginning with the previous statement that Waddell has already been given three chances to place a coach behind the Thrashers bench. Seriously…can anyone out there tell me when the last time is that a GM has been allowed to hire that many coaches…fire that many coaches…then been given the opportunity to try yet again with the same team before being asked to gather his personal effects and turn in his ID badge?

And I’m not just talking about the NHL…but any professional sport.

Thus, if an “accounting” for the team’s performance is in order, then shouldn’t the person who has been in charge of the operation of the franchise for over eleven years also be included in that action?

I mean… at least this one time?

Don Waddell has been the one consistent with this team since day one. Well, that… plus consistently not making the playoffs. The Thrashers have played nine and a half seasons with no playoff victories and as each game passes without the benefit of actual points in the standings it becomes more and more clear that that number will reach ten.

Whose backside should be feeling the most heat?

  • John Anderson (2%, 3 Votes)
  • Don Waddell (68%, 111 Votes)
  • Both of them (26%, 43 Votes)
  • Neither of them (4%, 7 Votes)

Total Voters: 164

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The only tangible evidence of any sort of “success” to be seen in Thrasherville is the 2006-07 Southeast Division Championship banner that hangs in Philips Arena. But given the fact that zero playoff wins came from that “success” …and that we now have three years in which to assess the overall effectiveness of the Waddell’s moves to sure up the team leading up that “success”…it’s pretty clear that the “success” that banner represents came at a very, very heavy price for this franchise.

But being in charge of the on-ice personnel is only part of the issue here. 

Have you been to a Thrashers game at Philips Arena lately? Give the number of empty seats each game, chances are very good that you answered “no” to that question…that, or 8,000 or so of you show up disguised as empty seats most nights.

But contrary to the yammering that spews forth from the “Make-It-Seven” types… this is not because Atlanta is a bad hockey market or that the NHL simply cannot survive in this area of the country. There is a great fan base in the metro Atlanta area…many have relocated from traditional markets that grew up loving the game as well as many, like myself, who are natives of the area and have learned to love the sport.

Nope, it’s not the fans nor is it the market. Rather, I suggest, it is that most of the potential paying population simply isn’t buying what Don Waddell is selling anymore. And it doesn’t matter if there are going through a winning stretch…as they did last spring and this past fall…or, as has been the case of late, losing nine straight games.

In essence, if it’s thought that the coach has “lost the locker room”…then it’s crystal clear that this general manager has “lost the market”.

And in this fan’s humble opinion, that’s worse.

Given all of that, I would contend that if a change once again is needed…this time Don Waddell could should needs has to be a part of what gets change.

Otherwise…what really gets “changed”?

124 comments Add your comment

ThrashDawg

January 7th, 2010
10:55 am

Have we not discussed this before? Is this groundhog day?

Nikita

January 7th, 2010
11:05 am

*I know you can never replace a superstar, but I’ll trade his 50 goals a year for 3 players who can total 60-70 goals a year, AND backcheck and bring other elements to their game (namely grit).*

Amen, brother.

True Hockey Fan

January 7th, 2010
11:24 am

I wasn’t long ago we played Boston for the fourth spot in the Eastern Conference. We can all blame the coaches, the GM or the owners. Bottom line is the players have to play every second of every minute of every shift of every game to be successful. ther are nnights that some players have not shown up at all. Our Captain and I call him KKK ( aka ) Kaptain Kotton Kandy is the biggest defensive problem this team faces game in and game out. KKK very seldom checks and contains his man. KKK only wants the puck . KKK wants tp brinig a winner to Atlanta but he is selfish to ask for so much money and handicap this team for future years. Management did everything KKK asked for. It is time KKK stands up and MAN’S up for the good of this team. If we don’t make the playoffs than I am sure that DW will be gone. We played 500 hockey without KKK. I say trade this defensive liability and selfinsh player. A winning streak shuts us all up.

Nutznorm

January 7th, 2010
11:29 am

This is the first time I will call Rawhide crazy. The proper first move to right the ship after a ten game losing streak is fire the coach now, replace with an assistant or other candidate to get the players attention. At the end of the season, if the playoffs are not made, no excuses Wadell goes too. You cant fire the GM and the coach at the same time. At that point you are kissing off what still could be a happy ending. PS if you win 10 games in a row, you can forget about firing anyone and we can go on our merry way.

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
11:40 am

Nutznorm

This is the first time I will call Rawhide crazy – And certainly you will not be the last :grin:

At the end of the season, if the playoffs are not made, no excuses Wadell goes too – Which was exactly what was being said after Hartley was fired over 2 years ago.

PS if you win 10 games in a row, you can forget about firing anyone and we can go on our merry way. – I would love nothing more to happen.

While I understand what it is you are saying, my point is that IF the organization moves to fire anyone because of this losing streak, then THIS time DW has to be a part of the change. We have tried the “fire the coach and evaluate the GM after the season route” before…and this time, IMHO, the GM needs to be a part of the accounting.

As for JA, as I said in the post…you may disagree with me about whether or not he should be fired. I’m good with that.

Smoothie

January 7th, 2010
11:41 am

Masha – could not agree with you more. I’d like to see Crabb and Macho-check come up here and bang the hell out of everything that moves. To hell with these soft, finesse veterans! Time to shake things up and see what happens. Especially if they lose more than 2 of the next 4. These next 4 games at home are CRITICAL!! They must find a way to win 3 of them or else they will have too many teams to leap-frog later.

If you trade Kovy, which I think we should, who would want Semin and a young grinder like Boyd Gordon in return?? Custance seems to think Wash might be interested at the trade deadline. I wouldn’t mind at all as long as there are some picks involved too. Semin has another year left and if he tells us he doesn’t want to stay, then you can turn around and trade him over the summer when his value is still high.

Smoothie

January 7th, 2010
11:46 am

Forgot to mention that I doubt Waddell would ever trade Kovy to a division rival, but it is intriguing nonetheless to think Wash might make a play for Kovy. But why make your already questionable team D any worse than it is?? :wink:

Darkhorse

January 7th, 2010
11:48 am

Maybe we can hire some old KGB guys as “consultants” to help motivate the players on the ice. They can stay with the players families to keep “costs” down. That seems to be about the only thing that may light a fire under their butts.

Bet because of the supposed “snow storm” there won’t be 5000 at the game tonight.

Drew

January 7th, 2010
12:16 pm

Great article. Only a GM with a track record suck as Lou Lamierello gets to make this many hires & fires. Donny HAS to go. I like John Anderson, but I dont think his brand of hockey works at this level. Oh for the days of Bob Hartley sitting Kovalchuk for his defensive lapses. We have some good prospects in the pipeline, let’s give them the chance to blossom into NHL players with a solid franchise from top to bottom. And most of all shame on ASG for perpetuating this mess.

Question on old history – What was the reason we did not re-sign Marc Savard? To me that as bad or worse than the Coburn/Zhitnik disaster.

Miami Screaming Eagle

January 7th, 2010
12:18 pm

The deterioration of this season started as a result of the Kovy contract situation dragging into the season. The longer it lasts, the deeper the death spiral.

And who is responsible for that?

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
12:38 pm

Per Dan Kamal…IMoose in goal tonight, probably against Chad Johnson. Antropov’s injury keeps him out again while Boris Valabik sits.

Cup Guy

January 7th, 2010
12:50 pm

After reading all of these posts (maybe well thought out, others just ranting about how eveything Thrasherville sucks), I am pleased to announce that DW was fired just 3 hours ago! Oh sorry. I had a dream about that. Anyways. I like Rawhide don’t recognize DW regime but the name of Blueland. We ditched that long ago (I just the end of last season). It is time for a new regime to step in. Someone or a group of someone’s to turn this team around. We have one hell of a team. We just don’t have the motivation to play night in and out. Many want to blame Kovy and his stupid contract. They get paid money to play regardless of who else dresses up to play with them. Heck some nights I could dress up and play just as well if not better then them. There are nights that I want to go to practice the next day, pull out a whistle and yell again, again, again, until someone gets it right. They don’t play for Team Russia, Team USA, Team Sweden. Heck they don’t even play for The Atlanta Thrashers. They all play for what make up the Atlanta Thrashers. They play for the fans of the Thrashers, They play for the people who love hockey and come to watch it regardless of who is playing. They look like crap on the ice, but who they really make look bad and feel stupid are us fans who love them, throw our money at them because we grew up to love this sport, this team, this group of men (some young). This team can suck for the rest of its life and I would still pay to watch. Why? Because I’m stupid, crazy, love to waste money, and because it is a passion of mine. I love hockey. I’m a fan, a true fan of all my favorite teams. The Texas Rangers, suck never won a playoff round in baseball, DIE HARD FAN. Dallas Cowboys, haven’t won a playoff game since 1996. DIE HARD FAN. Atlanta Thrashers, haven’t won a playoff game ever, DIE HARD FAN. How big? I bring a replica Stanley Cup to every game for the 4th season. That my friends is dedication and love to a team that right now doesn’t dedicate it’s time and love back to us. They just half a** it night in a out. 1 period here on a good night 2 periods. Rawhide you are a scholarly man for trying to instill that little hope for us fans out there. You are the one who tries to fire us up when our team can’t. You even tell us straight up, Well Thrasherville they sucked again tonight. The TV commentators go on, I thought they played an excellent game they just fell short…AGAIN!

Tonight I have a meeting with a group from within the Ticket Department. My goal is to go higher. So high that I can talk to a few owners about how to turn the ticket selling around. I will try to meet with Rawhide later tonight to discuss how that meeting went and get him on board with me. Tonight my friends is going to be a big night. Hopefully with regards to the future of this franchise. I will see you all during the 3rd period when the video clip comes on, once again holding up the beloved, most treasured item in all of hockey, The Stanley (Replica) Cup.

Riceowls8891

January 7th, 2010
12:51 pm

Lawyer alert:

To answer, current GMs that have fired three coaches in the NHL: McPhee (5) Washington. Lamoriello 12 (N.J). Rutherford’s fired 2. Although he hired one back. Does that count?

None of McPhee’s Caps coaches have a Cup. Although Lou could fire a hundred with his 3 Cups.

I didn’t got to the other leagues. But how about the Redskins?

Waddell has a job for one reason: He has done what the owners want. As long as that continues, he has a job. On ice results notwithstanding.

And before you pin it all on Waddell, how many playoffs occurr without the Heatley accident, the season of 7 goalies, and without Hossa bolting for less money?

And keep your sheep comments. If the beginning alert isn’t enough, there’s nothing left to be said.

NASCAR Dave

January 7th, 2010
1:09 pm

FIRE WADDELL!!! FIRE WADDELL!!! FIRE WADDELL!!! FIRE DONNIE FRAUDELL!!!

Mr. Heat Miser

January 7th, 2010
1:15 pm

This team needs an enema

Trash

January 7th, 2010
1:21 pm

The coach does earn some responsibilty by being the coach of a team that is on the longest losing streak in franchise history. The hiring of Anderson was always suspect from the beginning as another case of ownership trying to go the cheapest route expressed in dollars and cents. Was he the best qualified coach at that time ?? Maybe he is just a big fish in a little pond and not a NHL-caliber coach. Or is his system a risky venture ?? When it works that’s fine and exciting but can this system retain value all season long ?? When defensemen play offense as a priority does defending become secondary ?? When goals are not being scored what does the system provide as options ?? Seems like we may be here now. . . . . .

Now, why the general manager is still the general manager has been another well-traveled path which the less being said the better. With all the “let’s trade Kovy, he’s part of the problem” >> well after the Hossa trade fiasco (basically Hossa for Armstrong) there better be some wealth and value in return for a few years to come if that trigger is pulled.

erock

January 7th, 2010
1:31 pm

Why are we sitting Boris. We are on a losing streak. Sit Hainsey …Sit Kubina..Sit Schubert…mix it up COACH !!

polskidawg

January 7th, 2010
1:33 pm

Well put, Mr. Rawhide.

My interest level has gone from 10 to 1 in a matter of 3 years (it stayed at 10 1999-2006).

Things won’t improve until ownership changes, or at the group hire a professional to lead.

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
1:36 pm

Riceowls8891 – Thanks for that info…

Bob

January 7th, 2010
1:36 pm

“Question on old history – What was the reason we did not re-sign Marc Savard?”

Because Don Waddell didn’t think he was worth the $5m per year he was asking for. Anyone watch Bruins’ games? Savard is even playing (well) on the PK for them.

I’ve been saying it since the 3rd year when it was apparent to me that Waddell was simply incapable of the job and incapable of judging NHL talent, and I’ve been told by some naive folks that I’m wrong (naive folks who have all disappeared by the way) but year after year we suffer through the same and time has proven it true: nothing meaningful will change here until meaningful changes are made and a real GM is brought in.

Watch this thing take off if they can get a real GM. I still can’t believe they could’ve hired Brian Burke back in 1999, and passed over him to hire Waddell. That single move has doomed this franchise for 10 years, but the past is the past. We can only look to the future and the only thing that matters is what happens going forward. Get a real GM in charge asap, and watch it all finally happen for all of we long suffering fans.

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
1:50 pm

With all the “let’s trade Kovy, he’s part of the problem” >> well after the Hossa trade fiasco (basically Hossa for Armstrong) there better be some wealth and value in return for a few years to come if that trigger is pulled.

Trash – To that point…the one thing I keep hearing some people say is, “Don Waddell could ask for and get a ‘King’s ransom’ for Ilya Kovalchuk…and the team will be better because of it”. And while I can certainly understand the logic that such a notion is based on, I simply have to ask anyone who subscribes to such a belief one simple question.

“Do you want Don Waddell in charge of making a deal that would bring in the highest return for Kovy…should that become necessary”?

Wait, before you respond…let’s look back to the last time Don Waddell was forced to trade a superstar player because he was unable to re-sign him. That was two years ago when Marian Hossa forced his hand. In return for Hossa…and Pascal Dupuis…Waddell received Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, prospect Angelo Esposito and the Penguins first round draft pick of 2008.

Colby Armstrong has turned into a very fine third-line winger for the Thrashers, and I don’t mean that in a sarcastic fashion.

Erik Christensen…well, the best contribution he made for the team was helping to bring in prospect Eric O’Dell.

Angelo Esposito was in Chicago where he suffered his second ACL tear in as many years.

And the Thrashers selected Daultan Leveille with the 29th pick in that year’s draft.

So…that’s a third line winger who will be a free agent this summer and possible could be used as trade-bait come the deadline…a forward who has twice injured his ACL…and two prospects, one playing hockey at Michigan State and another developing in the OHL.

All for Marian Hossa. Oh yeah… and Pascal Dupuis too.

Now…somebody wanna tell me again how DW made out like a bandit in that deal?

The next question I would ask is, “How are you going to feel, say, two years from now if we are looking back at the Kovalchuk trade in the same light”?

Uh-huh…

IF Kovy is to be traded…trusting Waddell to be in charge of that deal would be the same as trusting a “King’s ransom” to be negotiated by the court jester.

GaVaHokie

January 7th, 2010
2:01 pm

Sigh… I’ve been singing Soul Coughing “Circles” in my head all day… soooo tired of this conversation… it really is Groundhog Day.

Red Light

January 7th, 2010
2:02 pm

The Dregs of Pro Sports…always safe as long as the Lions are around!

Record during past 10 seasons:
Detroit Lions: 42 W, 118 L, winning percentage: .263, 0 playoff appearances
L.A. Clippers: 307 W, 465 L, winning percentage: .398, 1 playoff appearance
Atlanta Thrashers: 291 W, 444 L, 45 T, winning percentage: .396, 1 playoff appearance

Record during the past nine seasons:
Columbus: 262 W, 405 L, 33 T, winning percentage: .392, 1 playoff appearance

OTL count as losses in above computation.

The Joker

January 7th, 2010
2:14 pm

Court Jesters are smarter than Waddell.

Somaatl95

January 7th, 2010
2:22 pm

Actually this isn’t “Groundhog Day” – in “Groundhog Day” Bill Murray wakes up next to Andie Macdowell after finally getting things right and he is really happy. As noted before as long as DW does what ownership wants, he has a job. Our metaphorical Andie Macdowell would be ownership that gives a damn about the team and a GM that doesn’t make Barney Fife look like Rambo…

Nikita

January 7th, 2010
2:45 pm

*sigh*

Hate to argue with you, Rawhide, but I’m gonna.

DW, with regard to Hossa, did fine. Any assessment of that trade needs to take a number of factors into consideration:

1. An angry Hossa, who wasn’t going to play well for the team under any circumstances and was going to expire anyway.
2. A particularly ugly coaching situation, which made it hard to bring in anyone at the time.
3. Heavy pressure to go young and a heavy need to invest in the future in the form of picks.
4. Maybe you have a crystal ball, but I do not and I’m pretty sure DW doesn’t either — I doubt he had any way of knowing which of those players would shake out. (I personally always expected Army to work out, Espo to wash out, and had no expectation with EC except that he would do well in the shootout. But with players that young, it’s hard to predict.)
5. Another issue in getting value for Hossa is in the obligation associated with it — we’re really not onligated much, at all, right now. Praise the hockey gods.

*Trash – To that point…the one thing I keep hearing some people say is, “Don Waddell could ask for and get a ‘King’s ransom’ for Ilya Kovalchuk…and the team will be better because of it”.*

You know, I don’t care if we trade him. Either way, at the end of this season we get to redirect his salary. Honestly, if I didn’t think his lazy princess self would drag the whole team down, the direction I’d favor most would be letting him expire in the press box.

*“Do you want Don Waddell in charge of making a deal that would bring in the highest return for Kovy…should that become necessary”?*

Possibly. What better trader do you have in mind? I haven’t had an issue with his trading from the Hossa trade forward, though of course I share the same despair you all have regarding the Zhitnik debacle.

But if someone’s gotta get fired, I certainly saw Waddell over Anderson.

Nikita

January 7th, 2010
2:47 pm

skipping back to other stuff…Savard, well, hate to say it, but we probably weren’t capable of developing him at the time. Likewise Dupuis at the time that he was on the block.

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
2:51 pm

Nikita – Now…you know that agreeing with the blog host is not a prerequisit for participation. You and I can simply agree to disagree about the Hossa trade…no problem here. Now, as to your question as to what better trader I might have in mind….I’ll go with my old standby with that one.

N.E. Body…that’s who. :lol:

Hokie – My friend…I know where you’re coming from. But unfortunatley, as long as DW is the GM and the team under-performs, there is going to be heat given to him.

Smoothie

January 7th, 2010
2:54 pm

Not capable of developing Savard?? Whaat?! He had already developed!!

Into one of the best playmakers in the game! How do you figure he hadn’t developed? Because he wasn’t asked by Hi! Bob ‘Artley to play on the PK?? I understand he had some issues with taking some bad penalties, but that is something easily fixed. I’d rather have an “under-developed” Savard dishing the puck to Kovy 50-60 times per season rather than Todd White forgetting to have his stick on the ice when someone feeds him wide-open in front of the net.

Pee Wee Herman

January 7th, 2010
3:00 pm

He…He…HEH!! It’s SNOWWWWwwwwww-ING!!!

Christoph Schubert

January 7th, 2010
3:08 pm

Don Waddell gleichgestellte umwerben Hofnarr. Das ist ja funy. Ich sorge mich nicht, wer Sie sind.

LAC

January 7th, 2010
3:12 pm

Gee Whiz nikita, I’d rather have Daffy Duck trading #17 instead of IDIOT waddell, What planet are you on ? The waddell moon ?

The man is a career LOSER, always has been and Always will be, he $UCKS ! period. I am at the point now I’d rather they leave town and we get a good AHL team and be done with it, The Thrashers are DOOMED in Atlanta.

GaVaHokie

January 7th, 2010
3:27 pm

Hokie – My friend…I know where you’re coming from. But unfortunatley, as long as DW is the GM and the team under-performs, there is going to be heat given to him.

Understood, but I’m more thinking along the lines of Lloyd Dobbler in ‘Say Anything’… “If you guys know so much about women, how come you’re here at like the Gas ‘n’ Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?”

Jimbo

January 7th, 2010
3:29 pm

291 wins in ten seasons and no playoff wins in our one and only appearance and the leader of it all keeps his job? Incredible! Absolutely incredible. And we seem to take a step forward and then three back. I have followed this team from inception but don’t anymore. There are thousands of us in the metro area that are transplanted northerners who would flock back to a “credible product”. I too don’t put too much blame on Anderson’s shoulders but his system seems to be inflexible with no defensive element in it. Perhaps its because DW has loaded him up with personnel who have no interest in defense. I too believe that there is enough of a solid hockey base in Atlanta to support a decent NHL team. We haven’t really had one in 10 years and now all we have is once again a long losing streak and the theme that we’ve heard played before “we’ll work out a contract solution”. It isn’t going to happen and unfortunately DW “the other teflon Don” will hang on his job. Sorry but true!

Bob

January 7th, 2010
3:29 pm

Nikita, are you trying to be funny? First this gem:

“Honestly, if I didn’t think his lazy princess self would drag the whole team down, the direction I’d favor most would be letting him expire in the press box”

Wha? If we trade him, we still have the exact same position come next July 1 of having all that money to spend (same position as if we just let him “expire in the press box”). But of course you have to trade him and not let him expire, this club is no playoff threat. You can’t just lose that asset for no return, they have to get return for him, and they will. But as Rawhide 100% correctly points out, Waddell cannot be the one to do it, he screws up everything he touches, the Hossa trade included, we got zippo out of that deal, is Armstrong UFA this summer as well? Sayonara.

then you come with this humdinger: “Savard, well, hate to say it, but we probably weren’t capable of developing him at the time.”

Do you follow this team? Savard put up what, 100, 90 points for us? How much more you want him to develop? Hoo boy, with fans like this, it’s no wonder the Spirit thinks they can just pulling the wool over these people’s eyes and have kept Waddell in place.

Paminski

January 7th, 2010
3:32 pm

GaVaHokie – Choice!

I gave the Thrashers my heart and they gave me a nine-game losing streak.

Riceowls8891

January 7th, 2010
3:55 pm

As to Savard being worth $5 million, AT THE TIME, he was a career minus player with 1 plus season and 8 minus seasons. First year in Boston minus 19. (People here would have screamed bloody murder if DW had signed him). Its only the last 3 years he’s been a plus player. Given his track record, that was not forseeable. Also, he was a penalty taking machine with PIMS of 77, 85 and 100. Three years with Atlanta he had 47, 52 and 97 points. Ask San Jose how Chechoo worked out after his career year. Savard is hindsight.

And we didn’t get Armstrong, Christensen, Esposito and the 29th pick for Hossa. We got that for 2 months of Hossa. And what does Pittsburgh have to show for the trade? Dupuis. A 28 point per season player.

DW got the better of the deal. What else was out there, is all speculation.

Zhitnick: better stats before and after the trade. Played big down the stretch. Only the next season was he dreadful. Again, its hindsight.

DW the best? Of course not, thats Lou Lamoriello. But he’s not the worst either. (Ask Garth Snowe how that 15 contract for Dipietro is working out.)

Fire DW for his body of work is fair, because its all about winning. But criticizing some of his decisions looks like pure monday morning quarterbacking to me.

Diego from Lilburn

January 7th, 2010
3:58 pm

The Thrashers need:

1) a dedicated goalie coach
2) forwards that will backcheck (especially Kovy)
3) to stop shooting the puck the instant it crosses the blueline with no one coming with you to pick up the rebound

GaVaHokie

January 7th, 2010
4:08 pm

Also the philosophy with Savard was “why pay a career minus player $5 million when I can put any Tom Dick or Harry out there with Kovy and they can rack up 40-50 assists in a season?”

A reasonable theory… but didn’t work out quite that well… but that’s what you should consider when thinking of Rucchin (Tom), Holik (Dick) and White (Harry) over the past few years.

Nikita

January 7th, 2010
4:09 pm

*You can’t just lose that asset for no return,*

Well, yes, we can, because we’re not “losing” – we’re simply making a different kind of trade. The question is whether we want to trade a rental or apply his salary to buying UFAs and RFAs. Either option won’t get us a premium return.

*Butas Rawhide 100% correctly points out, Waddell cannot be the one to do it, he screws up everything he touches, the Hossa trade included, we got zippo out of that deal, is Armstrong UFA this summer as well? *

I don’t agree, and won’t, on the Hossa trade. I don’t think it’s fair, first, to compare a player who is traded when not actively vying for a trade, with trading a player who didn’t want to come here and blackmailed management until he got the trade he wanted. I don’t take issue with any trade Waddell’s done since then, or the Heatley or Rucchin trades, either. (Because those were both tragic in their own ways.) Savard and Coburn I take issue with. (and I said “Savard” when I meant “Coburn” above. Not smart.) Hanging on to a whole roster full of middle-aged pylons I take issue with. But all of that’s several years back.

I’m fine with replacing Waddell — I just want some idea about who that’s better than “anybody but Waddell.”

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
4:15 pm

And we didn’t get Armstrong, Christensen, Esposito and the 29th pick for Hossa. We got that for 2 months of Hossa. And what does Pittsburgh have to show for the trade? Dupuis. A 28 point per season player.

DW got the better of the deal. What else was out there, is all speculation.

Riceowls8891 – Point taken…however, whomever Kovy might get traded to could only be “renting” him for a couple months as well. Then he can test the free agent waters in July. As for the Hossa trade itself…again, you and I are going to have to just agree to disagree on that my friend.

My point was that in the months leading up to the Hossa deal, I heard much the same chatter about what the Thrashers could get in return for him. Here we are 2 years later and …well…sorry, I just don’t see how Waddell vastly improved this team from that trade.

Was getting what we did “better” than nothing at all? Yes…of course. But in light of the Hossa deal, I’m just leary of buying into the whole “King’s ransom” hype some people keep bringing up.

Especially so considering the Hossa deal and who orchestrated it.

Riceowls8891

January 7th, 2010
4:28 pm

I absolutely agree that we will not get a King’s ransom for Kovy. Not for a rental player who wants a max salary. (I beginning to think the KHL is where he ends up). No argument there at all.

But, can anybody point to a deadline deal that vastly improved the team that lost the star? I honestly don’t remember one, but maybe its happened.

Here’s Versus’s take: (they all inspite whatever from me).

http://www.versus.com/nw/article/view/77090/?tf=NHLArticleWrapper.tpl

Teams get better by drafting well and signing smart. And with the exception of Lou L., its all hit or miss. Even Detroit has had its ups and downs. Trade deadline deals are short term for the buyer, and make the best of it from the seller. I don’t think DW does any worse than anyone else. Again, Lou L. the exception.

Can anyone show a pattern of deadline steals? Not just one-offs?

Fire DW for his body of work? No argument. Thats he’s plain awful, not convinced.

Now, time to head to Taco Mac.

Thrashy Thrashy

January 7th, 2010
4:46 pm

If Anderson goes, Waddell’s got to go right along with him. It would be completely unacceptable for Waddell to stay here if Anderson gets fired.

Russ

January 7th, 2010
5:03 pm

I haven’t commented lately, but have still been following the team and tried to keep up with the blogs for the most part. I have grown too frustrated to put forth more of an effort than that.

However, whenever the debate about Waddell comes up and someone inevitably says something to the effect of “but who would you replace him with” or “what if his replacement does worse”, I feel I must comment the same thing for the umpteenth time. A) Take a good look at this team’s track record: you would be very hard pressed to do worse. B) If a new GM actually was worse, so what. Columbus is probably the only team you could make a legitimate argument that Atlanta might be ahead of during DW’s tenure, so if we fall behind them who cares? Wouldn’t the chance a new GM could significantly improve the product on the ice be worth the remote possibility that he could make it worse? But, I guess we don’t want the Thrashers to look like a clueless organization, so nevermind, just keep DW.

Nikita

January 7th, 2010
5:28 pm

Nobody’s saying that, Russ. What we’re syaing is that anybody-but-Waddell isn’t productive.

I think his trading legacy is so-so…pretty good since the Hossa trade. Also, we all talk about what we’ve gotten in trade, but I think it’s also important to note what a great job he’s done as the garbage tosser for the last two years. Ex, Christensen, Schneider, Klee, Brad What’s His Face, Williams — all no longer our problem.

NASCAR Dave

January 7th, 2010
6:29 pm

Yeah DONNIE can sure pick some winners, that’s for sure!!! LMAO

FIRE WADDELL!!!

Rawhide

January 7th, 2010
6:54 pm

What we’re syaing is that anybody-but-Waddell isn’t productive.

Nikita – Again, I’ll respectfully disagree. In the real world…the one you and I live in…if someone is deemed by their superiors to be underperforming at their job, they get fired. The company then searches for a viable replacement…sometimes they already have one in mind.

There are more than enough viable candidates out there to replace Waddell. Namely…Rick Dudley and any/all Asst. GMs around the NHL. Is any one of them a 100% sure-fire, slam-dunk gaurantee for success? Nope. But that, in and of itself, is not a reason for the Spirit Boys to not dismiss DW if indeed they are of the belief a change needs to be made in the front office.

So…in a sense…yes, “anybody” would be a viable option.

GaVaHokie

January 7th, 2010
7:00 pm

The Hossa deal results are still pending on the futures of Leveille, O’Dell, Esposito and the resigning or trade of Armstrong. That’s the point of a deadline trade; long-term leverage… Loading the cupboard… flexibility.

stendec

January 7th, 2010
7:58 pm

Want to know about total disrespect? How about when the New York Ranjerks start a goalie with peach fuzz who has zero NHL starts. As in absolutely none. Guess Yardbirds have put the fear of God in these rotten Big Apple losers! Guess what? The heartless Loseland tenants have no goals after 20 minutes! Zero. Zilch. Nada. Against a netminder only just removed from high school hockey. Hard to understand why fans fail to shell out big bucks to watch these gutless wonders. Not! Aplogists will whine about close calls. Shove it up your candy a$$es! El Kapitan Ilys “Show Me More Money” Kovalchuk will skate untold figure eights at blue line until Olympics commence. Then Russian will then compete with fire on ice. At least until Russia goes bye bye in Winter Games! Damn losers. Worthless oxygen wastes. To Hell with all of the overpaid prima donna bestards. Will losing streak continue? Bet on it! On to BSC championship. ++STENDEC++

LAC

January 7th, 2010
8:16 pm

It’s over… TEN GAME LOSING STREAK !!!!!!!!!

No Hustle, No nothing and what else can you say… A Terrible team.

Eric C. knida avoided the questions about #17, but not the fact “Only a few hunderd fans show up”

Then they had The Master of Disaster don waddell himself interviewed by MSG. OLD don looked OLD, again as he ALWAYS does, he does NOT look at the camera… Who can blame him the FOOL !

Then we come out and give up, and a rookie goalie making his FIRST EVER START, will beat us as has happened HOW MANY TIMES over the years ????

I say move this awful team, bring in AHL and hope for the best !