Hockey gods did not smile upon frustrated Thrasherville

There are sometimes your team comes away with the consolation point for losing in overtime and you feel fortunate to get it. Then there are nights like Monday when the point gained is more of a disappointment than anything else.

Leads of 1-0 and 3-2 late were not protected…the opposition was on its heels most night…but in the end it wasn’t put away and I watched as the Habs skated away with that all-important second point in the standings, feeling much like I did in the 11th grade after trying attempting failingonce again to get Debbie Hesslafielder to go out on a date with me.

Rejected, frustrated, turned away and denied…again.

In a complete reversal from last Saturday night’s 5-4 loss to New Jersey, the Thrashers came out Monday night and controlled most of the game versus the Montreal Canadiens, outshooting them 50-23 for the game…18-3 in the first period alone.

Montreal's Marc-Andre Bergeron scores the game winner in overtime past Johan Hedberg (AP Photo/Gregory Smith)

Montreal's Marc-Andre Bergeron scores the game winner in overtime past Johan Hedberg (AP Photo/Gregory Smith)

I don’t know what is more impressive here…the fact that the Thrashers were able to get off 50 SOG or that they held the opposition to so few. Hmmmm….I guess all it took was C-Viv calling them out in this piece, eh?

Regardless, it’s just an absolute bummer to see the team play as well as they did for so much of the night but not be able to come out of it with the two points for a win.

Getting the nod between the pipes for Montreal, Jaroslav Halak was able to stop 47 of the 50 Thrashers shots as he improved his record to 8-5-0 and improving his saves percentage to .916.

Ilya Kovalchuk played as good as I’ve seen for several weeks now…he had a lot of jump in his game, scoring once on 5 shots.

Nik Antropov score twice in the third period’s opening 104 seconds. The second one was while on a Thrashers power play created when Jaroslav Spacek was forced to hook Zach Bogosian as he sliced and diced his way in towards Montreal’s goal.

They were Nik’s 8th and 9th goals of the season and he has now scored in four straight games and six of the last seven. Good to see this big guy starting to deposit the biscuit in the basket with regularity.

Maxim Afinogenov was like a man possessed out on the ice Monday night…twice he made strong moves into the net from the right side. He was credited with an assist on Kovalchuk’s goal and had 3 shots, finishing a +1.

Zach Bogosian took a very untimely hooking penalty with just 2:09 remaining in the third and Atlanta up 3-2. Marc-Andre Bergeron made the mistake a very costly one just 24 seconds into Montreal’s man advantage.

How many of the available 14 points will the Thrashers win on the 7-game road trip?

  • ZERO: It's the beginning of the end! (5%, 4 Votes)
  • 1 to 3: Very un-good road trip (4%, 3 Votes)
  • 4 to 6: Not good, but not a total disaster (19%, 14 Votes)
  • 7 to 9: They'll survive somehow (56%, 41 Votes)
  • 10 to 13: A very good road trip (11%, 8 Votes)
  • FOURTEEN: That's right...all 14 BA-BEEeeee!!! (5%, 3 Votes)

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Bergeron then ended the game in overtime by taking a pass from Andrei Markov during a 2 on 1 break and beating Johan Hedberg on the only shot the Canadiens took in OT. The goal was reviewed in Toronto as the net came off it’s moorings during the play, but it was rightfully held up.

“I tried to get my leg over there but I couldn’t reach. He ran into me and got pushed into the post,” Hedberg said. “I felt like it was a good goal.”

The Thrashers coach summed up the game by saying, “We did exactly what we wanted to do the whole game. It was just one of those games…the hockey gods weren’t with us”.

The point earned gives the Thrashers 40 on the season after 35 games…10 behind Washington and just one in front of Florida in the Southeast Division following the Panthers 4-1 win over the Flyers. Atlanta has 3 games in hand with Florida, however.

They are still in 6th place in the Eastern Conference standings…tied with Ottawa who has played 36 games. Boston is in 5th place and the Thrashers will pay the Bruins a visit Wednesday night to kick off the great 7-game holiday Trip-A-Paloosa. After games in Tampa Bay and New Jersey, Atlanta will return to Beantown next week before finishing the road trip out in Buffalo, Long Island and Pittsburgh after New Years.

The Bruins, Bolts, Devils, Buffalo, Islanders and Penguins…not a true “softie” in that bunch, so the Thrashers will indeed have their work cut out for them.

Saturday Night Viewing Party at TJs

TJs will again be the location of the next Thrashers Viewing Party…this Saturday night, the day after Christmas…when the team makes it’s way down to Tampa Bay to take on the Lightning.

A live DJ will be there to rock the place like Philips Arena and prizes will be raffled off including tickets to upcoming games in January.

If you plan on attending, please join me in bringing canned good items to donate to help re-stock the shelves for those in need in the area. Those who bring 5 or more canned items will receive a special raffle ticket for a special autographed prize.

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

62 comments Add your comment

World Be Free

December 22nd, 2009
7:42 am

You cannot win in any league if you can’t protect a lead.

Riceowls8891

December 22nd, 2009
7:48 am

If that team shows up the rest of the year, the Thrashers WILL be in the playioffs and WILL win a round.

Now, about that “snag” mentioned in C-Viv’s article. YIKES!

Joshgekko

December 22nd, 2009
7:48 am

You have to feel that if they play like that consistently, they’ll win far more often than lose.

Buzzeng

December 22nd, 2009
8:18 am

A few comments:
1) I’m in Quebec with the in-laws and enjoyed watching the game for a change – had to go to Quebec to see them! I was proud of the way they played.
2) The RDS (Quebec – French)feed had a poll – basically “Do you think the Thrashers will make the playoffs?” 51% said no, but 49% said yes. Would that be slight evidence of some r-e-s-p-e-c-t for Les Thrashers? I think so… in years past they would have picked “c: Who are the Thrashers?”
3) I counted 3 shots off the post – any one could have gone in and it’s a different ending. Great effort across the ice.
4) sure would be nice to beat Boston and jump them in the standings.
5) as always – Go Thrashers!!

Nikita

December 22nd, 2009
9:15 am

I wasn’t thrilled with last night’s game. Yes, we got a point. We should have gotten two.

Most notably, though Moose played very well in general, only one of the Habs’s goals was a hard goal. He seems to do well on close shots, less well on long range shots.

The Montreal commentators spent most of the second intermission deconstructing the earlier goals, and placed the blame pretty much squarely on poor positioning. Specifically, one of the goals was caused by the Thrasher offense breaking out of the defensive zone without the puck, leaving the Habs to stuff it in. Also, Ron Hainsey was really pissed off — seemingly at Bogosian, but it could just as well have been at the whole squad since he was left defending against three opposing players for one of the goals. All of these are things that can and should be fixed.

The team’s overall energy and effort looked good, though. Kane was chippy.

As to the contract talks…Eff Princess Kovalchuk. Or rather, good luck to him on the open market. Maybe he can rejoin mercenary Hossa in Chi-town.

Tony C.

December 22nd, 2009
9:17 am

OK, better effort, but this “snag” is a gaping chasm in the way it’s affecting #17 and thusly trickling down to the whole team. This saddens me-but I completely understand; working on a contract is different than working salary-I’m sure #17 feels he’s more than proved his worth and desire (the foot’s still broken right?)… yet I also wouldn’t sign the guy who’s been wearing #17 these past few games to a 10+-year, max-cap deal. You want that kind of money, you play on both sides of the ice-skating figure-eights @ our blueline while the opposition has four(!) skaters below the dots isn’t going to cut it. My bet is, once Wadudley figures out how to shuffle the money #17 will re-sign. If not, well, DW should have plenty of time to write that book he keeps talking about.

Somebody opined that coach walrus may be loosing the room-I’m still convinced that this recent bad patch of play is directly attributable to the loss of coach’s Fu-manchu.

Don’t believe me? Just look @ tape from November and the slide to December-team looked good and played with some discernible fire. Anderson says the Hockey Gods weren’t with us? .duh. They’ve been angered by the loss of THE FU’.

Seriously though, I feel that once DW makes an offer that is over 10years and is in the Malkin/Ovechkin range, #17 will sign-hopefully Nashville fades, and we swap Todd White & our 2K10 2nd rounder for Goc, and (hopefully) their kid in Milwaukee that plays RW-forget the name but I like his game and think he’d look great in Thrasherbleu.

Still can’t figure out WTF happened to the defense on Saturday. I thought last night’s game was an “honest” result-sometimes the bounces go the other way, but I wasn’t sick to my stomach at the (lack of) effort I saw from our boys.

Miami Screaming Eagle

December 22nd, 2009
9:21 am

Open letter to ASG and Kovy-

Please give your long-suffering fans a holiday present. Announce that you have an agreement in principle on a long term contract. Maybe I am dreaming, but I know what the tonic is to get this team out of the clouds and into the right frame of mind, as a team to move towards the playoffs.

This guy is supposed to be the team leader-well, show some leadership and remove the smog that is hanging over this team.

Maybe I should stay away from the brown acid.

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
9:35 am

The Thrashers have been very lucky to win many games early this year where they were outshot and outplayed.

Last night they were very unlucky to lose a game where they outplayed the Habs. It happens, but that’s the effort the boys need to bring every night, and then it’ll all work out, Kovy or no Kovy.

DWTOO

December 22nd, 2009
9:40 am

I’d really like to see Kovy signed here, but, I’m tired of the specualtion, trade talk, etc. Time to step up and either sign or trade him. JUST DO IT!

This had to be one of the most disheartening losses. All the talk of improving this team just doesn’t cut it. Last night’s loss reminded of the Thrashers of before – blown leads and sloppy play. In three out of the last four games the Thrashers have allowed goals in the last minute of play. Not moves a playoff team makes.

five_hole

December 22nd, 2009
9:48 am

Bill, I’d like to see some statistics on our win-loss percentage when we outshoot the opposition, vs when they outshoot us. My gut feeling is that we actually do better when they outshoot us.

As the old country song says, “sometimes you’re the bug, sometimes you’re the windshield”.

Nikita

December 22nd, 2009
9:55 am

I’d actually like to see kovy offered a very generous pay-for-performance contract. I’m sure he wouldn’t do it, but I really think that would be most effective in getting a fire lit under his ass consistently.

Rawhide

December 22nd, 2009
9:59 am

Bill, I’d like to see some statistics on our win-loss percentage when we outshoot the opposition, vs when they outshoot us. My gut feeling is that we actually do better when they outshoot us.

five_hole – BWA’s timmyf recently poted this about how the Thrashers do when outshoot & being outshot by the opposition.

Spud Webb

December 22nd, 2009
10:00 am

OK, here goes some steam……… MFER, man, first headline I see is contract negotiations have hit a snag. REALLY DON????????? NO F ing KIDDING> they’ve hit a snag because this should’ve been done last year. Then I read this quote…“Our position is different than his position right now,” Waddell told the Journal-Constitution. “Their position is fixed years with money and we have a different side of that. That’s what we have to work through. We’ve gotten through every thing else, now we have to make it through that.”
We’ve GOTTEN THROUGH EVERY THING ELSE, except for the years and money???? GOOD GRIEF don, shut your mouth. So you’ve accomplished NOTHING Don????????????????????????? We’re off on years and money??? What an idiot, I mean really??????????????? He’s backing us right into a corner AGAIN (see hossa) and were gonna end up with Eric Christianson again, I FEEL IT> Dandy don is going to get FLEECED at the deadline. Kovy doesn’t care. TRADE HIM NOW, do NOT sit on the pot and let us get hosed again DON. Un FREAKING BELIEVABLE. WOW. Then we lose to the freaking FROGS last night, we did out play them, but moral victories are for falcons fans. hahaaha.

sisu

December 22nd, 2009
10:14 am

Last night in OT and somewhat prior the team kept running the same play over and over! One dman would go into Montreal’s zone and get pushed gently behind the Montreal net with no chance of scoring, then they would turn the puck over and Montreal went on with an odd man rush since 4 Thrashers were stuck in the offensive zone. Easy to figure out the outcome…

TableHockey

December 22nd, 2009
10:23 am

but moral victories are for falcons fans

Priceless…

I almost fell over when I saw the SOG from the Thrasher’s after the first period on my blackberry. Watching the highlights it looked like the team was really hustling. As you say Bill – the next seven games are going to have a huge impact on post-season aspirations.

Headed out to the practice today – will be interesting to see what kind of spirit the team is in.

Spud Webb

December 22nd, 2009
10:33 am

TableHockey, do us all a favor and see if you can talk to don and ask him WTF he is doing?? hahahaha

Smoothie

December 22nd, 2009
10:38 am

You would think that after listening to (or reading) the GM’s comments regarding the contract negotiations, we would all feel a bit reassured. But in the case of Don Waddell, he just makes us sick to our stomachs. The part about Kovy wanting a “fixed” deal versus a variable amount deal (sliding scale with more money up front I would presume) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And why has it taken this long to discuss numbers?? Was there not an offer and counter-offer (per Don) back in October when he said things were progressing forward in a positive fashion and everything had been “constructive” thus far??

Anyway, if Kovy prefers a fixed amount (assuming the amount is fair and reasonable) to a deal that is front-loaded in which he got more money up front, how in the world do you say ‘no’ to that!!? They (Grossman and Kovy) would be doing you a favor! Or have you not heard of the TIME VALUE OF MONEY!!! More money today is worth a hell of a lot more than the same money 10 years from now!!

Goodness gracious, this guy is a jackalope if I ever saw one. Now would be a good time for the ASG to fire Waddell and promote Dudley so this deal gets done THE RIGHT WAY!! I am insulted hearing this other nonsense and I reckon Grossman is frustrated at every turn (again assuming he is a rational and logical man). Please ASG, pull the plug on ol’ Donnie Boy NOW!!! Dudley can get this done.

Brendan

December 22nd, 2009
10:52 am

Spud, I just try to ignore Waddell quotes at this point. When you look back on Hossa, and then realize that Hossa’s camp never made a counter offer, then what were those Waddell quotes on the negotiations really about? What I remember is. Hossa said, “Those are some powerful people,” after being wined and dined at an Atlanta Hawks basketball game, where he sat courtside. Well gee, Hossa sure did enjoy some “hoops action” that night, but it didn’t get him any closer to signing. And Waddell may well have been told in July of 2007, “I’m not re-signing.” We’ll never know.

five_hole

December 22nd, 2009
11:07 am

Thanks Bill. So I was right, even though it’s a statistical anomaly. I’ll take what I can get.

Midfield

December 22nd, 2009
11:14 am

Bogosian looks like he made a couple of steps back in terms of his maturity compared to the end of last year. As for Hainsey, that was a dramatic piece of performance when he was shaking his head and waving his hands. Madonna mia, mi dispiace-e-e-e-e!

Miami Screaming Eagle

December 22nd, 2009
11:15 am

I know this isn’t a Braves’ blog-but here’s stupid-

Trading Vasquez AND Boone Logan for Melky Cabrera and garbage? Melky Friggin Cabrera? Is that your power upgrade?

Ya’ll love to trash Waddell, but he’s never made as stupid a trade as this one. Frank wren is a bird brain!

Brendan

December 22nd, 2009
12:01 pm

Miami Screaming Eagle, Mike Milbury might be the WORST GM of all-time. Frank Wren has nothing on that guy. I have no idea who the GMs of the Buffalo Bills have been since the Super Bowl years of that franchise, but it’s pretty clear they don’t know what they’re doing, either. Last playoff berth was 1999? Is that right? It feels about right. But I digress. That anyone actually pays Mike Milbury to express his opinions is incredible. But, when you realize that Milbury, like Don Cherry, gets paid to be the “Archie Buker” of the “All in the Family” show, it all makes sense. Ron MacLean plays the “straight” man. Ever listen to “Buck-n-Kincaid?” That “Philly John” schtick never gets old, for some. Here’s a snipet from them, during the offseason, discussing one of Don Waddell’s moves.

The worst part, thinking back on it, is that Buck Belue actually said this, and I LAUGHED HYSTERICALLY at it, “I’m tell ya, John. That Kubina, pal. He’s gonna make ALLLL the difference. You just wait-N-see.” John Kincaid, even over the radio, managed to pull off a double-take, then laughed, “See, Buck. No. You’re wrong. He won’t be the difference. This is a nice salary dump move by Toronto. He’ll play out the year, then leave. Buck, he’s 32. He’s not part of the YOUTH MOVEMENT. This is a bandaid move. It’s not like the Thrashers just landed Chris Pronger.” Belue, “There ya go AGAIN, Kincaid. What a SURPRISE that ‘Philly John’ would throw Pronger in our face. And what’s he gonna cost, parDner? Is he part of the Flyers YOUTH MOVEMENT?” “Buck,” John replies, “Chris Pronger is a Tier I defenseman, with a Cup ring, Partner. He’s coveted.” Buck, grabbing Kubina’s bio to have some CLUE how to respond to him, says, “Says here, ParDner, that Kubina has a ring, too. 2004, with Tampa Bay, Buck? He’s the REAL DEAL. Why do Y’ALLWAYS have to dump on ‘im?” Kincaid, laughing, “Whatever, Buck. This move isn’t gonna win the Stanley Cup for Atlanta. I can tell you that, Partner.”

I shook my head at the entire exchange. And yet, … GULP … and YET … I went on record at the near mid-point of the season saying, “I cast my MVP vote for Pavel Kubina, over Hedberg and Peverley.” I can’t believe it. I’m actually AGREEING with Buck Belue … on something Hockey-related. I know. You can’t see this, but I’m gazing out the window, checking for SIGNS of the FOUR HORSEMEN of the coming Apocalypse.

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm

“But in the case of Don Waddell, he just makes us sick to our stomachs”

Fret not, Pollyanna, I mean Sara, will be in here any moment to tell us how wonderful Waddell is and that we’re all stupid for thinking there could possibly be a problem with the Kovy contract. All is well, rest assured, Don Waddell is here to save the day!

Spud Webb

December 22nd, 2009
12:11 pm

Brendan you’re the best blogger on here (my opinion). Classic, I agree with Buck Belue!! ahhahaha. Pronger was watching a few of those goals last night, standing there!! I was giggling. He’s a mess and philly gave up a lot to get him.
Lets list the Milbury boners…
Bertuzzi, McCabe, 3rd rounder(Ruutu) for Linden
Spezza, Chara, Muckalt for Yashin
Luongo, Jokinen for Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
Berard for Potvin
New York Islanders traded Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and D.J. Smith to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Darby Hendrickson, Sean Haggerty, Kenny Jonsson and 1st round selection (Roberto Luongo)
Buffalo Sabres traded Michael Peca to the New York Islanders for Tim Connolly and Taylor Pyatt.
Edmonton Oilers traded Janne Niinimaa and a 2nd round selection in 2003 to the New York Islanders for Brad Isbister and Raffi Torres.
New York Islanders traded Chris Osgood and a 3rd round selection in 2003 to the St. Louis Blues for Justin Papineau and a 2nd round selection in 2003.

hahahahahha, yes, Milbury is by far the worst GM in ANY sport. That is a serious list of mistakes and some big names. Love it.

Spud Webb

December 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm

So if you’re keeping score, the Isles COULD have right now…
Spezza, Luongo, Chara and Heatley. They had to draft Depetrio instead of Heatley, because they had traded Luongo. hahahahhahahah
Maybe DW has the same aspirations as Millsy????????? Want’s to be a commentator? I think he’s well on his way.

hip czech

December 22nd, 2009
12:22 pm

“I know this isn’t a Braves’ blog-but here’s stupid-”

I’ll join the baseball digression…the Braves are becoming the Pirates. Trade your most valuable pitching asset in a deal where the centerpiece is a PROSPECT. Bad…very bad.

One more lump of coal for the Atlanta sports stocking.

I really feel for Waddell (no, really!) in the Kovalchuk situation. He is in a no win situation. 10 years at a max cap hit for one player would be dangerous in NY or Montreal or Toronto. It’s scary for Atlanta.

But, not signing him could be a public relations nightmare.

Philly is supposedly ready to offer Jeff Carter and Claude Giroux and maybe a pick…that might be awful tempting…plus they need goaltending in a bad way – include Lehtonen for Van Riemsdyk.

World Be Free

December 22nd, 2009
12:29 pm

The Bills have been going downhill since they fired Bill Polian (now with Indy) and let AJ Smith walk off to San Diego (DS is not bad too).

Their current “GM” is a PR guy. No wonder nobody with a recoard wants to coach the Bills.

Miami Screaming Eagle

December 22nd, 2009
12:36 pm

Hey Spud, thanks for the list of Milbury’s “Greatest hits-or misses”. I was referring to active GM’s; Milbury will never be active as a GM again. I actually don’t mind Milbury in his current role. Both he and Matt Millen were horrible GMs, but they are not bad analysts. At least they are giving us stuff that we can disagree with. Look at it this way-noeither could ever be as bad as Bob Davie.

Canadians think they are so smart-then you look at one of their idols, Don Cherry and you realize that they are just as stupid as we are.

Miami Screaming Eagle

December 22nd, 2009
12:39 pm

Hip-as a human being, I kinda feel for Waddell too, a very little. But the truth of the matter is that this guy has negotiated this franchise into this position. By that I mean that the mess that we are is his fault. If the Kovy situation is so crucial to the club’s future, then he should have been a better GM for the last 9 years, maybe it would not have come to this!

What a horrible trade! The Braves need power and now they have too many outfielders. WTF!!!!!

Nate

December 22nd, 2009
12:41 pm

Rawhide – Me thinks the shot discrepancy has more to do with Montreal than the Thrashers or C. Viv. Remember we outshot them 34-19 the last meeting and the Habs have been outshot most games recently. I’d like to see the same kind of shot differential in our favor against different opposition.

hip czech

December 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm

MSE – “But the truth of the matter is that this guy has negotiated this franchise into this position”

Fair enough…at least Waddell and ownership together have so you are correct it is self-inflicted.

IF they sign Kovy at what he wants (10 years at 20%) half the people are going to be up in arms at how this is going to cripple the franchise and so on. IF they trade him half the people will never forgive the current regime for not signing him.

It really is too bad a compromise can’t be worked out, like a 3-4 year deal at 10 mil per. That way Kovy can still be in his ‘prime’ for one last shot as an unrestricted FA and at that point pursue the Hossa dream.

Miami Screaming Eagle

December 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm

One more thing Hip-

Sam Pollack, the master of building so many Montreal Canadian teams once said that the team that gets the best player in a trade, wins the trade no matter how many players they have to give up to get the best player.

So if Philly gives up the 3 guys you noted earlier for Kovy, they will have won this trade. Anyone the Thrashers trade with they will lose. But if you can’t sign him, you gotta get something.

hip czech

December 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm

which leads to the question of whether a 40 goal scorer who is a minus player is better than 2 20 goal scorers who are defensively responsible (assuming Carter’s 40 goals last year were an anomaly).

I don’t know the answer to that one.

Nikita

December 22nd, 2009
1:53 pm

hip czech, I dunno. But I’ve been wondering the same about Maxim. His +/- sucks, but he generates a decent number of goals. Is it worth the consistently poor defense and movement toward our goal to generate that number of goals?

Smoothie

December 22nd, 2009
2:29 pm

hip – I’d say the answer is yes, 2 20 goal scorers with a plus rating are better than a 40 goal scorer who plays defense when he feels like it. Had Erik Christensen turned out to be a solid # 2 center that won 55% of his F/O, netted 15 goals a year, dished out 30+ assists with a +/- between 10 and 15, I’d say both parties were equal in the Hossa deal. However, that did not come to pass. Perhaps if Eric O’Dell becomes that player (looks like Espo is done) in 3 years, you could say that, but by then Colby Armstrong may be long gone.

If we’re lucky enough to get Carter, Giroux and JVR for Kovy, Lehtonen and a prospect, then no one will be able to complain that we lost Kovy (assuming Kovy did not want to be here or the money was too absurd).

five_hole

December 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm

Why don’t we play Bogosian on the PP? The kid has a killer shot and would free Kovy. Ilya makes his living shooting from the top of the circle. It would certainly give us a new look on the PP, which we desperately need.

five_hole

December 22nd, 2009
2:45 pm

But I’ve been wondering the same about Maxim. His +/- sucks, but he generates a decent number of goals.Nikita For the record, Max’s +/- is -4, which isn’t good, but is better than (forwards only) Slater (-5), Slava (-9) and White (-9). Max is tied with Little (-4) and just above Ilya(-3) and Boulton (-3). In other words, that’s 7 of the 13 forwards on the team. Looks to me like he’s in the middle of the pack.

hip czech

December 22nd, 2009
2:57 pm

Bogosian definitely needs to shoot more (I yell for him to shoot the puck any time he gets it). I am not sure why he is passing up so many shots lately.

The PP seems to be a different philosophy than other teams. Other teams seem to be about getting people in front of the net and getting shots. The Thrashers PP seems to be more about setting up for the one perfect scoring chance, or at least set it up so the shot comes from a pre-diagrammed place (Kovy). When it works it’s great…when it doesn’t it’s frustrating (and the fans start yelling ’shoot’).

Nikita

December 22nd, 2009
3:09 pm

Hmmm, five_hole. I’m looking at bad stats. Pardon.

*Had Erik Christensen turned out to be a solid # 2 center that won 55% of his F/O, netted 15 goals a year, dished out 30+ assists with a +/- between 10 and 15, I’d say both parties were equal in the Hossa deal. However, that did not come to pass. Perhaps if Eric O’Dell becomes that player (looks like Espo is done) in 3 years, you could say that, but by then Colby Armstrong may be long gone.*

Yes and no. I keep hearing that we “lost” so-and-so as though we did not also get additional resources to put toward acquiring other players. We lost the ability to bargain with that player, but comparing players doesn’t strictly reflect what we get in any given trade. Especially given the horizon on each asset acquired. And when your goal is to go young, you can expect a lot of your trades to wash out.

Dwayne

December 22nd, 2009
3:39 pm

Made it home from the Bulb an hour ago. Myself, daughter and 2 oldest grandsons has a great time. Got to meet Bill, Zoomo, Kracker and RStroz. That was cool, put faces with names. Yes, I know Bills picture is at the top of this page. Since we all know how the game turned out, I’ll share a little story from the seats.
I had a Canadien fan sitting next to me, so, with Atlanta up by 3-2, 5 or so minutes left, I believe Hainsey or Kubina has the puck behind our own net, just standing there. I start hollering “4 corner offense, 4 corner offense”. The guy next to me says”this isn’t football”.

hip czech

December 22nd, 2009
4:04 pm

A view from the Philly side:

“But for the Flyers to take on a contact the magnitude of what Kovalchuk will command on the open market, they will have to shed a big-money, long-term contract.

With Briere, Hartnell, Gagne, Timonen, and Pronger all shielded by no-trade and no-movement clauses, Richards is literally the ONLY option on the table at this point.

A deal of this magnitude would need to be a blockbuster, simply by virtue of the fact that the Flyers would need to shed salary to fit Kovalchuk into their salary structure.

Expect Flyers wingers, defensemen, and a goalie to be included in the deal if it somehow materialized, and don’t be surprised if one of Atlanta’s surplus of goaltenders comes back in the deal.

None of this is based on insider knowledge.

You don’t have to be an insider to look at the math on Flyers salary structure to see there is no way the Flyers could carry that many monolithic contracts, and add another $11 million allotted to a single player.

If Carter does somehow go to Atlanta, you can rest assured Richards will be leaving town in another deal, because the reality of the Flyers cap situation says there is no way this team can add another big-money long-term deal without Richards leaving town.”

Again, I want to see Kovy signed…but if it doesn’t happen it seems the chatter is Boston (a deal centered around Krejci or Wheeler), Philly (deal centered around Carter or Richards), and even Washington (deal centered around Semin).

Philly would seem to make the most sense in terms of what they need, though they have cap issues. Boston would seem to make sense in that they have a boatload of picks (thanks Toronto) and some young talent. Washington doesn’t make much sense…

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
4:04 pm

“Made it home from the Bulb an hour ago.”

I know Atlanta traffic is bad, but just damn!

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
4:08 pm

“Boston (a deal centered around Krejci or Wheeler), Philly (deal centered around Carter or Richards), and even Washington (deal centered around Semin)”

He won’t be traded to the East to potentially face us in the playofs, he’d go West most likely, unless an absolute blockbuster of a deal happens, and no one is giving up a Carter or Semin for a playoff rental, ain’t gonna happen.

World Be Free

December 22nd, 2009
4:11 pm

Semin is a UFA this summer, so getting this overrated chump would be no deal. Your rumors match so of the ones I have heard recently. Philly loves the no movement clauses, then they get stuck with slugs for an eternity!

Dwayne

December 22nd, 2009
4:12 pm

Good one Bob….

hip czech

December 22nd, 2009
4:16 pm

as a rental, no, it won’t…but apparently the Flyers are shopping Carter and reportedly have approached the Thrashers:

“Recent reports suggest the Flyers have approached the Atlanta Thrashers about the possibility of landing Ilya Kovalchuk. Needless to say, it will take a lot more than just Carter to bring Kovalchuk to Philly, but the Flyers are more than capable of putting together a package of roster players, prospects and draft picks for Kovalchuk, adding some validity to the rumors.”

It’s all rumor, but it would appear the Flyers (or Bruins) would think they could sign him to a long term deal. More power to them if we can’t.

Dwayne

December 22nd, 2009
4:23 pm

so i’m guessing Philly and Boston had scouts in the bulb. explains why Kovy played hard??? Philly would be good for me. My favorite player on my hometown team. win-win

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
4:49 pm

Lloyd B Free, Semin is RFA, not UFA. No way anyone gives us a Carter, Semin, or Krejci for a playoff rental.

Now, if Waddell could swing a sign and trade then sure, you can expect that kind of quality back and then some. But not for a rental, we’ll get an Armstrong type, prospect, and a #1 pick. And the cap space for Dudley (please!) to use wildly to replace Kovy next summer.

glovesave29

December 22nd, 2009
5:01 pm

To be honest, I don’t give a squirt of p**s as to what Grossman and Waddell are saying in the media. This is a contract negotiation, neither side is dumb enough to play their cards in the media and in the court of public opinion. I still say he re-signs. I hope there is a big signing bonus and a smaller salary. Make the contract long so that the bonus hits the cap over a longer time in smaller amounts. Structure the contract a la Hossa and Pronger so that it far exceeds his playing career, thus allowing us space under the cap to build a team around him. If he does go via trade, anyone in the East better offer a helluva lot more than a Western team, get him outta this conference, I surely don’t want to have to face him on a regular basis.

I am not going to dog Kovy on his play. The guy came back after 3 weeks off of a broken foot. My daughter is in week 5 in her cast from the same injury. Anyone here think maybe he’s toughing it out and playing hurt? We didn’t know Slava was hurt badly two seasons back, we just read (ad nauseum) of him being thrown under the bus time and time again for poor play. He is a pro, every time he steps on the ice, his sole thought is to score and to win, nothing else… especially a contact negotiation, is even in his mind. Why would it be? he’s not playing to just stay in the league, he knows wherever he ends up next year, hes gonna be a rich, rich man. What’s he to worry about?

Kari was practicing today and looked pretty good. Still cannot fully butterfly, but he’s further along that I’d recently been told her was.

LAC

December 22nd, 2009
5:48 pm

14 goals against in three games is showing we have a Glaring issue on defense and in goal. Hedburg looke very average last evening…