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	<title>Comments on: For Thrashers, what will be the lasting legacy of letting Manny go?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim n Buckhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim n Buckhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im no hockey man but since day 1 the Thrashers have had goalie issues and waiting for the guy....Moose has been the only consistent goalie the Thrash have had...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im no hockey man but since day 1 the Thrashers have had goalie issues and waiting for the guy&#8230;.Moose has been the only consistent goalie the Thrash have had&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dwayne, I think teams would be interested in Colby Armstrong.  But since he&#039;ll be a UFA at season&#039;s end, some teams that want him may be willing to wait to pluck him on July 1, 2010, &lt;strong&gt;where it won&#039;t cost them anything other than money.&lt;/strong&gt;

It might be more valuable to move Armstrong at the deadline, if a trade is really ever going to materialize.  My guess is that Colby would like to play 2nd line minutes.  I can&#039;t blame him there.  Will he get those minutes in Atlanta, either this season or next?   Maybe not.  If Waddell needed to &#039;sweeten up&#039; a deal, another GM&#039;s ears would perk up at the suggestion of Colby Armstrong.  Keep something else in mind, a Colby Armstrong trade sends $2.4 million in cap hit the other way.  If Waddell is really, truly authorized for $50.0 million, it means he could land a fairly high dollar player, as long as he shipped Colby the other way.  And that&#039;s something to think about.  Speculating is fun, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwayne, I think teams would be interested in Colby Armstrong.  But since he&#8217;ll be a UFA at season&#8217;s end, some teams that want him may be willing to wait to pluck him on July 1, 2010, <strong>where it won&#8217;t cost them anything other than money.</strong></p>
<p>It might be more valuable to move Armstrong at the deadline, if a trade is really ever going to materialize.  My guess is that Colby would like to play 2nd line minutes.  I can&#8217;t blame him there.  Will he get those minutes in Atlanta, either this season or next?   Maybe not.  If Waddell needed to &#8217;sweeten up&#8217; a deal, another GM&#8217;s ears would perk up at the suggestion of Colby Armstrong.  Keep something else in mind, a Colby Armstrong trade sends $2.4 million in cap hit the other way.  If Waddell is really, truly authorized for $50.0 million, it means he could land a fairly high dollar player, as long as he shipped Colby the other way.  And that&#8217;s something to think about.  Speculating is fun, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I&#039;d be delighted for an Opening Night contract extension announcement for Kovalchuk.  But I won&#039;t hold my breathe for it.  The things that sticks out in my mind is ... that Waddell has stated that there have been counter-offers, and that fact, alone, makes this situation different from that of Marian Hossa.   

Okayyyyy.  But as Sara suggested, &quot;whattaya mean, &#039;counter-offer?&#039;&quot;  In essence, just AGREE to whatever Kovy&#039;s camp demands.  And be done with it.  If Waddell submitted years and dollars, and Jay Grossman responded with years and dollars, then the contract negotiations should be OVERRRRRRRRR.  In this respect, I completely agree with Sara.

But in my way of thinking, the counter-proposal was not years and dollars.  It was list of names who should be signed to play in Atlanta.   Can I PROVE that?  Of course not.  I don&#039;t have wire tap authority.  But what if I was right?   And what if Nikki Zherdev&#039;s name was on the list?   I sure hope I&#039;m wrong.  Because if I&#039;m right, then the opportunity to PROVE to Kovalchuk that the Thrashers had turned the corner and become committed to winning the Stanley Cup ... failed when Zherdev signed with Atlant, in the KHL.   Maybe Kovy didn&#039;t want him.  Did Kovy want Max more than Nikki?  Shrugs.  I have no EARTHLY IDEA.  I know Waddell got Antropov for Kovy.  And Kovy liked it.  And I&#039;m guessing that Kovy liked the Kubina acquisition, too.   That&#039;s something, at least. 

I sure hope there&#039;s some BIG ANNOUNCEMENT that&#039;s being hushed up for the Opening Night game.  A Kovalchuk contract would make losing that game, 8-0, stomachable.   Of course, if this contract drags on ... and on ... and on ... and ultimately results in him walking for nothing ... or traded at the deadline, I&#039;m going to harp on my belief that April 2007 was the perfect time to clean house.   Fire Hartley, Fire Waddell, Fire the Scouting Staff, and conduct an exhaustive search for a replacement ... or ask the NHL to step in and run the team.  Ask yourself this question, would a different GM have passed on Bogosian?  Would a different GM have passed on Kane?  If the answer is no, then it really wouldn&#039;t have hurt the organization to fire Waddell, other than to eat his salary until 2009, and Harley&#039;s until 2008.  Hartley was fired six games into a fresh, new 2-year deal.  Waddell got that contract extension right after the team went 11-4-1 after Hartley was fired.  But let&#039;s not talk about that, since a Kovy re-signing would supercede all of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I&#8217;d be delighted for an Opening Night contract extension announcement for Kovalchuk.  But I won&#8217;t hold my breathe for it.  The things that sticks out in my mind is &#8230; that Waddell has stated that there have been counter-offers, and that fact, alone, makes this situation different from that of Marian Hossa.   </p>
<p>Okayyyyy.  But as Sara suggested, &#8220;whattaya mean, &#8216;counter-offer?&#8217;&#8221;  In essence, just AGREE to whatever Kovy&#8217;s camp demands.  And be done with it.  If Waddell submitted years and dollars, and Jay Grossman responded with years and dollars, then the contract negotiations should be OVERRRRRRRRR.  In this respect, I completely agree with Sara.</p>
<p>But in my way of thinking, the counter-proposal was not years and dollars.  It was list of names who should be signed to play in Atlanta.   Can I PROVE that?  Of course not.  I don&#8217;t have wire tap authority.  But what if I was right?   And what if Nikki Zherdev&#8217;s name was on the list?   I sure hope I&#8217;m wrong.  Because if I&#8217;m right, then the opportunity to PROVE to Kovalchuk that the Thrashers had turned the corner and become committed to winning the Stanley Cup &#8230; failed when Zherdev signed with Atlant, in the KHL.   Maybe Kovy didn&#8217;t want him.  Did Kovy want Max more than Nikki?  Shrugs.  I have no EARTHLY IDEA.  I know Waddell got Antropov for Kovy.  And Kovy liked it.  And I&#8217;m guessing that Kovy liked the Kubina acquisition, too.   That&#8217;s something, at least. </p>
<p>I sure hope there&#8217;s some BIG ANNOUNCEMENT that&#8217;s being hushed up for the Opening Night game.  A Kovalchuk contract would make losing that game, 8-0, stomachable.   Of course, if this contract drags on &#8230; and on &#8230; and on &#8230; and ultimately results in him walking for nothing &#8230; or traded at the deadline, I&#8217;m going to harp on my belief that April 2007 was the perfect time to clean house.   Fire Hartley, Fire Waddell, Fire the Scouting Staff, and conduct an exhaustive search for a replacement &#8230; or ask the NHL to step in and run the team.  Ask yourself this question, would a different GM have passed on Bogosian?  Would a different GM have passed on Kane?  If the answer is no, then it really wouldn&#8217;t have hurt the organization to fire Waddell, other than to eat his salary until 2009, and Harley&#8217;s until 2008.  Hartley was fired six games into a fresh, new 2-year deal.  Waddell got that contract extension right after the team went 11-4-1 after Hartley was fired.  But let&#8217;s not talk about that, since a Kovy re-signing would supercede all of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listening to Don Waddell talk about signing Ilya is bringing on cold sweats. Like that nightmare you have that comes back every couple of years. 

Phrases like &quot;we are having productive talks&quot; and &quot;we are very close&quot; and &quot;we expect a deal to be done soon&quot; just make me sick to my stomach. 

What the hell are they thinking. Let Ilya&#039;s agent make an offer, say yes, and then move on. But you and I know that Ilya&#039;s agent is not making an offer. Don keeps making offers and our captains agent is taking them under consideration. 

We need to call the organization onto the carpet tomorrow at the fan event before the big wigs hide in their executive suites funneling lies and deceptions down to the fans and reporters. 

(damn, I am getting to Stendec levels of aggravation. It is a bad day to stop sniffing glue ((Airplane)) ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to Don Waddell talk about signing Ilya is bringing on cold sweats. Like that nightmare you have that comes back every couple of years. </p>
<p>Phrases like &#8220;we are having productive talks&#8221; and &#8220;we are very close&#8221; and &#8220;we expect a deal to be done soon&#8221; just make me sick to my stomach. </p>
<p>What the hell are they thinking. Let Ilya&#8217;s agent make an offer, say yes, and then move on. But you and I know that Ilya&#8217;s agent is not making an offer. Don keeps making offers and our captains agent is taking them under consideration. </p>
<p>We need to call the organization onto the carpet tomorrow at the fan event before the big wigs hide in their executive suites funneling lies and deceptions down to the fans and reporters. </p>
<p>(damn, I am getting to Stendec levels of aggravation. It is a bad day to stop sniffing glue ((Airplane)) ).</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Kane is ready to play a full season, based on his 9 games. Will a trade happen? Who will he replace?  Are the Trasher Management going to package a combination of 2 or 3 bodies??, say, Army, White, Pevs or a draft pick for a goalie, Would broke up KL be worth a chance for another team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Kane is ready to play a full season, based on his 9 games. Will a trade happen? Who will he replace?  Are the Trasher Management going to package a combination of 2 or 3 bodies??, say, Army, White, Pevs or a draft pick for a goalie, Would broke up KL be worth a chance for another team?</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WBF....I hope your Doris was prettier than the Thrashers Doris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WBF&#8230;.I hope your Doris was prettier than the Thrashers Doris.</p>
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		<title>By: ranallo10 (in AT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ranallo10 (in AT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I must have skipped over the different handle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I must have skipped over the different handle.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smoothie, I can&#039;t swear to anything.  Perhaps it was only my mistaken impression that a player in the situation of a Colin Stuart, would be subject to a waiver claim each and every time he is either demoted or called up.   But you very well may be right, with that CBA clause.  If Stuart hasn&#039;t played the requisite amount of NHL games this season, and he won&#039;t, since he&#039;s starting in the minors, it may not be an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoothie, I can&#8217;t swear to anything.  Perhaps it was only my mistaken impression that a player in the situation of a Colin Stuart, would be subject to a waiver claim each and every time he is either demoted or called up.   But you very well may be right, with that CBA clause.  If Stuart hasn&#8217;t played the requisite amount of NHL games this season, and he won&#8217;t, since he&#8217;s starting in the minors, it may not be an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Smoothie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smoothie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true about Savard ranallo...that&#039;s why I posted that scenario under the handle Dreamer Smoothie...tis nice to dream sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true about Savard ranallo&#8230;that&#8217;s why I posted that scenario under the handle Dreamer Smoothie&#8230;tis nice to dream sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: ranallo10 (in AT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ranallo10 (in AT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Mark Stuart as a #4/#5 defender, but I&#039;m not too high on Kobasew.  I wouldn&#039;t be willing to give up a fresh prospect in Morin and Valabik (who will learn well from Chara I&#039;m sure) just for a #4/#5 defender.

A Savard trade isn&#039;t realistic, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Mark Stuart as a #4/#5 defender, but I&#8217;m not too high on Kobasew.  I wouldn&#8217;t be willing to give up a fresh prospect in Morin and Valabik (who will learn well from Chara I&#8217;m sure) just for a #4/#5 defender.</p>
<p>A Savard trade isn&#8217;t realistic, in my opinion.</p>
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