Zach Bogosian – “Scary Good”
“He’ll be scary good in a couple of years”…Those are the words of Atlanta Thrashers team captain Ilya Kovalchuk talking about his teammate Zach Bogosian last spring. That’s a fairly powerful assesment given the fact that it comes from a player who’s “scary good” himself.
Indeed Bogey’s 6′-2″, 200 pound frame supplies the “scary” part… especially if you’re a winger caught in his sights for an open-ice check…or a defender who is charged with de-pucking the native of Massena, New York as he smoothly yet powerfully motors his way through center ice.
Who would you like to see Bogosian paired with this season?
- Tobias Enstrom (72%, 107 Votes)
- Pavel Kubina (21%, 31 Votes)
- Ron Hainsey (7%, 10 Votes)
Total Voters: 148
Loading ...There was little doubt that Bogosian would suit up in Atlanta to begin last season. He had the build and skill to play at this level and the Thrashers defense was in desperate need of what he brings to the ice. Sure, he’d have to play through some rookie mistakes…but as I reflect back on the previous season, there aren’t too many that really stand out in my mind. And in his debut on opening night, he thrilled the Thrasherville masses by dropping the gloves Washington Capitals’ tough-guy Donald Brashear.
His rookie season was shortened due to a leg injury suffered from a check against the boards by Darrell Powe of the Flyers. And as if seeing Bogisian limp from the ice wasn’t “scary” enough…the Thrashers were then spanked by Philly 7-0 in that game which was played during the week of Halloween. However, in 47 games he managed to net 9 goals and 10 assist. Projected over the course of 82 games, that would be something like 16 goals and 33 points. His +11 rating tied centerman Marty Reasoner for third best on the team.
That’s a pretty good rookie season.
Once his leg had healed, he took little time getting his game on track after returning to the lineup on New Years Eve. He scored his first ever NHL goal during a 7-2 routing of Nashville on January 17 and a month later…in a game labeled as “Armenian Heritage Night” in L.A.’s Staples Arena…he contributed three assists in a 7-6 shootout win against the Kings.
Zach displayed excellent abilities on the defensive side of the ice during his rookie campaign, but his ability to step into the play on the attacking end is a huge benefit to this squad and this plays right into John Anderson’s style. Few doubted whether or not Bogosian could contribute in this type of system, but as winter gave way to spring it became clear he was thriving in it.
There’s no reason to believe this will not continue to be the case as Bogosian moves into his second season with the Thrashers and he continues to become the good…no, “scary good”…player that many believe he’ll be.
Thrashers Oh-fer Two In Traverse City
The Thrashers prospects fell to those of the New York Rangers 4-1 Monday night in the second game of the 2009 Traverse City Prospects Tournament. As he did the night before, Evander Kane scored for Atlanta with Darryl Smith and Drew Paris being credited with the assists.
Josh Unice was in goal for the Thrashers as New York outshot Atlanta 35-29 and both teams failed to score on the six power play chances they each had in the game.
Kane has two goals and is a -3 with four PIM in the two games played so far while Andrew Kozek, Paris and Smith each have a goal and an assist.
Atlanta has been outscored 10-5 so far in the tournament as they head into their third game on Wednesday against the Carolina Hurricanes. The Canes are 2-0 after having beaten the Rangers 5-3 on Sunday and the Red Wings on Monday by the same score.
Also Monday night in Traverse City…the Wild down Dallas 2-1 in a shootout and Columbus beat St. Louis 5-4.
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91 comments Add your comment
Brendan
September 7th, 2009
10:09 pm
Bogosian is a solid draft pick. Even Craig Custance talked about him as potential “Captain” material.
Brendan
September 7th, 2009
10:15 pm
Where’s R.Stroz to claim “Silver?”
R. Stroz
September 7th, 2009
11:19 pm
Third, or Bronze
ben
September 8th, 2009
12:32 am
drop ze puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!
Lee
September 8th, 2009
7:08 am
oh, i bet he will. im expecting like A LOT from him. maybe he’ll become a bryan little!
LET THE SEASON BEGIN!!!!!!!!!
Sara
September 8th, 2009
7:50 am
In thinking about the prospect tournament and the team’s performance…it seems to my memory that over the years they’ve been participating, generally the Thrashers prospects have performed pretty well. Then again, so did the Wolves. However, that never translated to tons of success for the big club.
Btw, there was a comment on the last blog I wanted to respond to. Someone took exception to my “no shame in losing to the Wings” comment. There was a reason there was a winky emoticon after that as it was a tongue-in-cheek remark. Regulars around these parts know my feelings on the Wings. And when the games don’t count, I’ll tweek a nose or two (Stroz’s nose in particular
). Key phrase being when the games don’t count.
5 days folks, and the guys are back on the ice. I’m geeked!
World Be Free
September 8th, 2009
8:05 am
Everyone in Toronto (and Canada) likes to talk about how great Luke Schenn is and how good he will be. Bogo is already better than Schenn, and will continue to get better this year.
I have to admit, I thought it was a mistake to keep him up last year, especially after he broke his leg. But he came as as the season progressed, to the point of being dominating in the last 20 games in every aspect of the game. I can’t wait to see what this season brings.
Looks like the Thrashers struck gold with this pick.
Tony C.
September 8th, 2009
8:15 am
He plays with a healthy dose of “nasty” too….
Brendan
September 8th, 2009
8:25 am
When the Leafs traded with the Islanders at the 2008 Draft to get Luke Schenn, I thought it was a great move on Toronto’s part. GM Brian Burke wasn’t able to make deals with TB, LA, ATL, or STL to get a pick higher than 5th overall. If they had, they probably would have picked Bogosian. Most teams won’t budge from a lottery draft pick. The Islanders, however, are the New York Islanders for a reason. I sure hope, for their sake, that those 2nd and 3rd round picks they acquired were worth passing on Schenn and moving back to pick #7, which … again … they traded for a 2nd rounder to move back to #9. The Islanders did get a very promising Center with the 9th overall pick, named Josh Bailey.
The 2008 Draft was a good and deep draft. Had Toronto not picked 5th and stayed at 7th spot, the next two most promising D-men were Tyler Myers (taked by Buffalo, 12th overall) and Colten Teubert, taken 13th overall by Los Angeles. Just remember, WBF, because Toronto moved up to get Schenn … is part of why they love him. Leaf fans, like most fans, always want their team to move up in the draft. This year, when Los Angeles claimed Brayden Schenn, Brian Burke scowled, shaking his head. As if the Kings are supposed to sit there, and NOT PICK him, to make the Leafs and their fans happy? I forgot who Toronto selected 7th overall this year, but I know he came out of the Ontario Hockey League, since Don Cherry harped on the fact that the Leafs never pick the local boys on Draft Day.
kracker
September 8th, 2009
8:50 am
Bogus (to use Russian’s name for him) sort of had two seasons last year. The first was the short stint of about 13 games before he injured the leg where he got out on the ice with the big boys, getting a feel for the speed of the NHL. Then came the rehabbing and watching/learning the team and JA’s systems from the press box. Bogo seemed to have learned it well because he was good to go in the second part of his season.
Bob
September 8th, 2009
8:55 am
I concur, Bogosian is going to be a real good one, if he can develop into a true minute sucking machine #1 dman, that helps this club tremendously.
Toby
September 8th, 2009
8:59 am
The stand out in the tourney is Kane with 2 goals so far. The disappointments (in only 2 games) have been Morin and Postma. Nothing great out of them so far.
Glovesave29
September 8th, 2009
9:21 am
I’d like to thank Brian Burke for leaving Bogo off of the USA Olympic roster (even though he deserves to be on the team) as he, along with the other deserving Thrashers Bryan Little will be sitting home resting while others are out in Vancouver giving it their all and risking injury. If we can forgo last years atrocious start, and remain in the race through the winter doldrums, having two of youre best young players well rested for the stretch drive may prove to be helpful for a team that desperately needs to get in and win a playoff game…
J.B.
September 8th, 2009
9:47 am
Speaking of Russian, he said a couple of billy blogs ago that he read in the russian media that Zherdev was headed to the states on the 12th. Has anyone heard anything about him coming to atlanta lately? The rumor mill came to a grinding halt on that one this week. …Of course DW keeps things pretty quiet and it’s usually silent right before something big happens.
World Be Free
September 8th, 2009
10:01 am
I was watching the 2008 when Toronto drafted Schenn. I thought Pierre Maguire was going to cry, he went on for minutes about how great Luke Schenn was going to be, how he’ll be the cornerstone of the Leafs’ defense for the next 15 years, bring on the Stanley Cup, second coming of Tim Horton stuff.
Luke Schenn is a really good hockey player. But I don’t see him having the upside to put him in the elile defenseman of the league. The Canadian media knows very little about Bogo, because he’s not Canadian and he doesn’t play in Canada.
Talking about great defenseman-let me say again that the Islanders made a mistake in passing on Victor Hedman. Hedman has all the tools and will only get better. He’s got Nic Lidstrom written all over him.
Pam on Weck
September 8th, 2009
10:07 am
So now that the training camp schedule is posted, who will be hanging out in Duluth at some point? I work very close to the IceForum and will be stopping by on lunches when the schedule coincides well. If any other blog commenters will be attendance, how should we identify each other? It might be time to develop a Rawhides Rowdies logo.
Smoothie
September 8th, 2009
10:13 am
Bogus >> Drew Doughty >> Luke Schenn
Deal with it Toronto! But at least you have lots more snow.
Bogosian has a pretty scary slapper from the point as well. There is a youtube.com clip of him winning the hardest shot competition in the OHL All-Star proceedings. His first shot went 95 or so and I think his second attempt eclipsed 100 mph. Henceforth he should be known as the:
BOGOSIAN EXPLOSIAN!!!!!!! BOOM!!
kracker
September 8th, 2009
10:15 am
If the Isles made one mistake by passing on Hedman, they made two: Allowing him to be there for the TB Bolts.
TableHockey
September 8th, 2009
10:16 am
Pam -
I am going to try to get up there a few times. My work schedule generally has the flexibility to slip away on Mondays and Fridays. Hoping I can make it up there on the 14th and the 18th.
Smoothie
September 8th, 2009
10:42 am
Owww! Holy smokes owww!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4mjzr7KVww&feature=related
Sorry, I stand corrected. It was 96.6 on the 1st and 98 mph on the 2nd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA4DTj9lzrY
Still, not too shabby for a 17 y/o (17 at the time).
Sara
September 8th, 2009
11:06 am
Brendan – one minor correction. Cliff Fletcher drafted Luke Schenn, not Burke – he was still the GM of Anaheim at the time.
Smoothie
September 8th, 2009
11:25 am
Bill, you’re getting some nice attention on Puck Daddy…well done! You’ve officially hit the big time!
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 8th, 2009
11:32 am
Brendan — Nazim Kadri is the player drafted by Toronto this season. He’s doing well in their prospects tournament and has two goals, I think.
WBF — Hedman, like Lidstrom, is not a “face of the franchise” type player in my opinion. The Islanders made the best decision based on talent (Tavares definitely has it in high quantity) and marketability. In my opinion there was no “wrong” decision for the Islanders this past draft when selecting between Hedman or Tavares.
I know Sara will have some insight into Lidstrom that differs from my previous statement, but I contend Lidstrom is great captain material but is not the type of person who sells tickets for his franchise just because he’s on the roster.
Smoothie
September 8th, 2009
11:39 am
Oooops! Sorry Bill, I meant to type Kukla’s Korner! Puck Daddy is too busy pushing a blogger who has taken great delight in bashing our centers because we seemingly have a dearth of talent up the middle. Do we now? While we may not have a true # 1, I wouldn’t say we have a lack of talent as two of our current pivots had a positive + / – ratio on a team that was -10 overall ES. I’d say that’s better than average.
Scotty
September 8th, 2009
11:49 am
Bogosian is a MONSTER! I can’t wait to see him when he is at his peak!
World Be Free
September 8th, 2009
12:29 pm
I’ll hate to see Hedman in a TB uniform for the next 10-15 years!
I understand the “face of the franchise” point of view. I just think Hedman will have a greater impact on his team over the long term.
Franchise defenseman like Hedman come along every 7-10 seasons. These types of players are on the No. 1 powerplay unit, kill penalties and play against the opponents top line every night. They log more minutes than any other skater on their prospective teams. The best way to market your team is by winning.
You can name the elite defenseman in this year on one hand. Hedman will be one of those digits, very soon and for a long time.
World Be Free
September 8th, 2009
12:31 pm
Nazim Kadri was an outstanding junior scorer. Toronto may of had a star drop in the lap.
Rawhide
September 8th, 2009
12:51 pm
It might be time to develop a Rawhides Rowdies logo.
Pam – Hmmmmm…now there’s a thought. Suggestions?
I understand the “face of the franchise” point of view. I just think Hedman will have a greater impact on his team over the long term.
WBF – I agree 100%. Hedman is going to be a powerful force on that Bolts blueline…and we get to deal with him 6 times a year now.
Bill, you’re getting some nice attention on….Oooops! Sorry Bill, I meant to type Kukla’s Korner!
Smoothie – Yeah, I saw the incoming link on my control panel this morning…very nice, indeed.
R. Stroz
September 8th, 2009
1:00 pm
If any other blog commenters will be attendance, how should we identify each other? It might be time to develop a Rawhides Rowdies logo.
Pam on Weck – I’ll be there on Sunday.
Maybe we should make up “Official Rawhide Rowdies Membership Cards” with our names on them and put them in our “Exclusive Rawhide Rowdies Lanyards.”
All joking aside, we could just put our blog names on a sticky label. We’ll know who is who that way.
ben
September 8th, 2009
1:06 pm
why do i keep reading on other blogs that zherdev is coming as though it’s gosple? how real is that?
R. Stroz
September 8th, 2009
1:12 pm
For one, I hope Zherdev is coming to play in Atlanta.
I know others have a different opinion, and I’m cool with that.
Viking
September 8th, 2009
2:00 pm
1) Christian Bäckman (UFA) (Formerly Blue Jackets, Rangers and Blues) is going to training camp with Florida Panthers for a possible contract.
2) Eklund’s only entry on his rumor chart is Satan at 30% to Atlanta (higher than any other team).
Rawhide
September 8th, 2009
2:51 pm
ben – Mostly, the Zherdev discussion is rumor mill stuff. However, there was a Russian internet site that had quoted him last week as saying thet he has been in talks with the Thrashers and that possibly he would sign a 1-year deal here.
The guy over there that cyber-interviewed me for a story he was doing on the Thrashers last month translated the story me and confirmed that is what he said.
But again…given how the Thrashers’ front office tends to keep these kinda things close to their chests, I’ll believe that story when Waddell steps to the podium to announce it.
Lee
September 8th, 2009
3:25 pm
beastly bogo! man, waddell made a great choice and ppl that think luke schenn is better are stupid, they just like to stick up for their team. i bet bogo and kane r gonna be best buds.
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 8th, 2009
3:26 pm
WBF — I do not disagree with your take on Hedman, not in the least bit. I merely feel New York could not make a “wrong” decision between the two, and many people would be saying the opposite you are had New York selected Hedman instead of Tavares. And, as Rawhide just did regarding Hedman, people in these parts would be upset Atlanta has to face Tavares 6 times per year.
That’s the beauty of the lottery picks…we as fans can speculate to no end over which player is better to draft than the other.
Hedman and Tavares will be good players. Hopefully we can say the same about Kane in a few years time.
Brendan
September 8th, 2009
4:29 pm
I stand corrected, Sara. Cliff Fletcher was the GM who pulled off that trade with the Islanders. I should have remembered that Brian Burke was Anaheim’s GM, as he drafted Eric O’Dell in the 2nd round, now property of the Atlanta Thrashers. Or, at least his rights are.
I can’t see how taking either Tavares or Hedman could be wrong. Imagine next year’s draft featured Joe Sakic and Steve Yzerman rookie clones. Would it be “wrong” for either team to draft the Stevie Y clone? Or if the clones were Scott Stevens and Patrick Roy. Would either team be “sorry” they took Stevens over Roy? Or vice versa? I think Tavares will be the face of the Islanders franchise. He’ll do a fine job.
I’m interested in evaluating Steven Stamkos next season. He came into his Draft Year will glowing praises, as the only player to be drafted 1st overall in the OHL and NHL. Tampa Bay having Lecavalier, Stamkos, Hedman, and Niittymaki, plus Marty St. Louis, Andrej Meszaros, and Mattias Ohlund, makes me wonder if the Bolts aren’t flying under the radar a little bit. I can’t see Toronto faring better than TB or Atlanta next season. And Leaf fans still blame Mats Sundin for that, since he wouldn’t waive his no trade clause.
LSThrasher04
September 8th, 2009
4:31 pm
I went to that game in Los Angeles at Staples Center (not Arena) and it was the best game of the year. The Armenians loved him that night and they sold out the place. I think I was one of about 10 Thrashers fans there lol.
Brendan
September 8th, 2009
4:34 pm
I am hoping that Pavel Kubina winds up on the 2nd pairing, rather than the top. I think Atlanta made a miscalculation with Matthieu Schneider playing top pairing minutes much of last season. I’d much rather see Enstrom paired with Bogosian, each playing 23:00 to 25:00 a game. Kubina and Hainsey are fine for the middle pairing. And that leaves Valabik with Salmela or Oystrick. I hope we will see more of Nathan Oystrick. I hope Mark Popovic can be assigned to the Chicago Wolves and used as a call-up, as I do see him as NHL-ready.
Has Jordan LaVallee been signed, or not?
polskidawg
September 8th, 2009
4:58 pm
Bogosian performed even better than I expected. Very poised, very focused and a great skater that arrives with malice in intent.
How about 18g 39a for 57 this season?
R. Stroz
September 8th, 2009
5:12 pm
The title of the article encompasses the concept of “Scary Good.”
That said, I’m actually going to make the pitch as to why Zherdev should be signed.
1) Zherdev expressed an interest in signing with the Thrashers, and you don’t hear that from NHL players every day. Does anyone remember what Dan Boyle thought of coming to Atlanta last year?
2) As fans, we wanted Kovy to recruit players that he thought would help the Thrashers. Since Kovy and Zherdev trained together, we can infer Kovy recruited Zherdev. Shouldn’t management accept Kovy’s help with recruiting based on how well Waddell has recruited in the past? Would you rather have Kovy recruiting Antropov and Zherdev or Waddell recruiting the Jason Williams and Ken Klee’s of the NHL?
3) Next, for a second, think of the high powered offense of the Edmonton Oilers of the early 1980’s. Now, think of this group of players: Kovy, Little, Antropov, Zherdev, Peverley, White, Kozlov, Armstrong, Reasoner, Esposito, and Kane on offense. Next think of the offensive capabilities of Bogo, Enstrom, Hainsey, and Kubina on defense.
Now, imagine this, a Thrasher team without Kovy, Zherdev, Little, Armstrong, Peverley, and Kubina. None of these players are signed past this season.
So, who wants to make Kovy happy by signing Zherdev now? Who wants to show Kovy some love for recruiting when Waddell has failed at recruiting top tier talent in the past?
I contend that the Thrashers future hangs in the balance.
ben
September 8th, 2009
5:52 pm
R. Stroz agreed at least for the shortterm
IllegalCurve.com » Blog Archive » Hockey Hits: Sens fans continue to hate Heatley, the ice at HP Pavillion arena is questioned, How high will Balsillie go and does pre-season action mean anything?
September 8th, 2009
6:01 pm
[...] Ice Man: Atlanta Thrasher Zach Bogosian is scary good. Pretty high praise from someone who is himself, pretty ’scary good’ (Ilya Kovalchuk). [...]
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 8th, 2009
6:07 pm
I’m just curious…who clicks on those links?
R. Stroz
September 8th, 2009
6:11 pm
ranallo10 – Not Me, Not Me
Pam on Weck
September 8th, 2009
7:12 pm
ranallo10 – Not me. I think I must have turned old this year. Suddenly, all these tweets and twits are confounding me.
Smoothie
September 8th, 2009
7:12 pm
Stroz, you make some compelling arguments. The only problem I see is that it forces Little back to the middle and either moves Pevs or White down to the 3rd line. I suppose the potential for a hi-octane offense a la EDM might be foolhardy to pass up. I’d be okay with a short-term deal especially if White can be traded for a solid, veteran goalie who isn’t a diminutive 5′9″ and at the end of their career…isn’t Moose small and old enough??
R. Stroz
September 8th, 2009
7:29 pm
Smoothie – My idea is to roll four high octane lines.
Keep the goons in the press box most nights.
Rawhide
September 8th, 2009
7:33 pm
ranallo & Pam – Those links, like the one at 6:01 PM, simply indicate when my blog entry is being linked at another site. This time it’s a site called “illegal curve”…an online hockey site that I’ve even contributed to before.
Case in point, here’s one from an L.A. Kings Fans site…and here’s another from the Empty Netters page of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
Most of the time they get caught in the spam filter…or I just delete them as to not clutter up the discussion thread.
Brendan
September 8th, 2009
7:38 pm
I’ve never been steadfastly opposed to Nikki Zherdev coming here. I’m even less opposed to it, infering that Kovalchuk wants him to be here. And right about now, I’m in “appeasement” mode.
That said, if we’re going to spend $4 to $4.5 million, I want an upgrade along the blueline. Can’t Kovalchuk recruit a Russian on defense? If Atlanta surrenders 290 to 310 goals this season, (and Zherdev may contribute his fair share to that,) they’ll be fortunate to be .500. We’ve got to upgrade the blueline for a serious run in the playoffs. A Stanley Cup winner, like Kovy imagines, neds two (2) Tier I defensemen on the Top pairing. Think Stevens and Daneyko. Or Lidstrom and Rafalski. Or Pronger and Niedermayer. I love Bogosian and Enstrom, but they’re just not there yet. And neither is Kubina and Hainsey, and they’re not newbies on the scene.
While adding Zherdev would be “fun” to watch, and an upgrade, the team needs balance. If it happens, I think it’ll be okay. And if it isn’t okay, well … Zherdev can leave or be dealt at the trade deadline. But I don’t see how that would make Kovy happy.
What about goaltending? I think we’ve heavily invested in Lehtonen. Trouble is, we STILL DON’T KNOW if he’s truly an elite goaltender, or can become one. And Pavelec is a star for the future. Not now. I hear ya, whoever just screamed, “What about Khabibulin? Surely, Kovy could have talked to him?” Yes, well. I think he got a 4-5 year deal out in Edmonton, and would any of us really want to make this kind of commitment to Nicholai, so late in his career? And what message would that send to Pavelec, who ‘may not’ really want to be here, anyway? And then, what’s the trade return on any of these guys (Lehtonen-Pavelec) anyway? It’s quite a situation, isn’t it? We’re sitting on two potentially great goalies who have no trade value. It’s bizarre to explain.
R.Stroz, I enjoyed reading your argument. It has spun some interesting debate.
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 8th, 2009
7:50 pm
That said, if we’re going to spend $4 to $4.5 million, I want an upgrade along the blueline.
Okay, like whom. I don’t see too many $4-$4.5M defenders out there that in my opinion are drastic improvements over the current top 4. Backman, who I consider the best defender still available (off the top of my head), is definitely not a top 2 defender now do I think he’s worth the money you’re mentioning. Apparently he’s going to Florida for a tryout so I guess 29 other teams didn’t consider him worthy of extending a contract.
So, who is available to fill that need on defense?
For what it’s worth, I think the roster will stay the way it is right now because, to my knowledge, the team is over the salary floor. That alone fulfills the requirements set by the team’s internal “budget”.
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 8th, 2009
7:54 pm
Rawhide — I like it when the Blog Advertisements get caught in the spam filter. Thanks for clearing out those that do not. I don’t like people pimping their site to your audience.
World Be Free
September 8th, 2009
8:13 pm
Ranallo-I agree with you on Travaras. The Isles needed a drawing card. The Nassau Coliseum was packed Islander fans cheering the Johnny T. pick. As you have stated, he’s a great drawing card, better than Hedman would have been. I just like Hedman better from a pure hockey standpoint.
Another tidbit about Tavaras-his uncle, also John Tavaras is one of the best players in the Major Indoor Lacrosee league history. He’s played with the Buffalo Bandits the past 16-17 seasons. Little Johnny almost went the lacrosse route too, but decided his uncle was already too famous to follow. Good for hockey.
Rawhide
September 8th, 2009
8:18 pm
Ranallous Magnus – People “pimping” there sites does happen like that too…and those always get whacked. But in this case, and the two I gave as examples, the sites weren’t as much being “pimped” as they were simply indicating that this or a past article of mine had been linked as a reference on their side.
Sage of Bluesland
September 8th, 2009
8:26 pm
Thank God bumbling Donny took Bogo–and didn’t trade down (only to get the player ‘he wanted all along’) or misuse the pick on a Euroteen who was years away from contributing…
Thank goodness for small miracles, indeed.
R. Stroz
September 8th, 2009
8:36 pm
Sage – Due to blog change over after your response to my questions a week or so ago, I didn’t address your answer.
I thought your answer made sense based on the BS Donny has dished out over the years.
Although I still don’t trust DW’s statements, I really believe Kovy may be able to put the screws to management for at least one season of enjoyable hockey. If not, the ASG will have to hand out tickets for free next season without having Kovy.
I see the re-signing of Kovy as a Texas Hold Em tournament when either the ASG has to go all in or fold and leave the table.
Bwahahahaha
September 8th, 2009
8:46 pm
A logo for blog readers? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Brendan
September 8th, 2009
9:22 pm
I was speaking ‘conceptually,’ Ranallo. I didn’t have someone specifically in mind. And I don’t dare suggest a trade scenario. Besides, I don’t like trades. I have no idea what the situation is in Russia. Are there any ‘holdout’ star Russian defenseman who Kovy might encourage to come here.
(Don’t say Nikulin. He’s not a Tier I guy, anyway.)
I agree with you, Ranallo. I think the roster is essentially set. If there’s a trade, I guess I wouldn’t be totally stunned. Nobody is going to want our junk players. So, that means prospects (Sterling, Holzapfel, Machacek, O’Dell, Pavelec) and/or picks. And considering that we’ll probably finish between 22nd and 26th, our 1st round pick in 2010 is quite possibly a Top 10 overall selection. I sure don’t want to trade that. The only way that could cut the mustard … is if we get a player with 4-5 years left on his deal, who is a bonafide top pairing defender. And I don’t mean Brian Campbell. And I don’t see Chicago parting with Cam Barker, either. I honestly don’t have an answer. Or a specific player in mind. Which teams are still over the cap? Those are the ones who must jettison players that they’d rather not let go.
Brendan
September 8th, 2009
9:49 pm
I have an idea for the logo. A computer mouse with a hammer and sickle on one side and an olive branch on the other.
Smoothie
September 8th, 2009
10:11 pm
Why not trade White for another bonafide Tier II d-man who is a) over 30 and b) moderately priced much like White? Surely there is a team with a surplus of d-men and a dearth of scoring (other than TOR of course)! Anyway, I doubt the ASG is going to pony up more than $2.5 M for Zherdev even if they are interested so let’s hope Z reeeaaallly wants to play with Kovy.
Justin
September 8th, 2009
10:18 pm
It is a shame Bogosian’s rookie campaign was shortened by injury, as I have no doubt that he would have been a front-runner for Calder. He has excellent speed in bursts, but also in stride. He also has an excellent first pass, a great shot and high IQ. I cannot wait to see the kind of defenseman he becomes.
Justin
September 8th, 2009
10:24 pm
Reading a few comments up, Brendan, I’m not sure you have seen much of Nikulin. He is a top defensive dman and would easily make top 4 on EVERY team in the league. There are likely only a couple of teams that he wouldn’t be the top one or two. If you are basing your opinion on offensive numbers, remember that second assists are not tracked in the KHL.
ben
September 8th, 2009
11:22 pm
uh oh the preds are in a world of dookie. boots is going to jail
R. Stroz
September 9th, 2009
12:04 am
Before camp starts, I hope the sounds and images of the Thrashers vs. Red Wings game at Philips last season burns in the minds of Don Waddell and the ASG owners. After ten years, the Thrashers still have not converted enough of the transplant fans to avoid an outright embarrassment in their own arena.
The Red Wing fans outnumbered the Thrasher fans 50 to 1 at Philips last season. The situation was a disgrace to the players and fans wearing the Thrasher jersey. By no fault of their own, the players were subjected to being in “the other teams” arena while playing at home. The home town fans were openly mocked. Why? Because ASG ownership has been unwilling to raise the Thrasher payroll out of the bottom 20% of the league for the past two seasons. Why? Because Don Waddell hasn’t accepted responsibility or been held accountable for 10 years of under performance.
Waddell and the ASG should be ashamed to stand in front of the Thrasher players and fans after the Red Wings game last season. The lack luster effort by Waddell and ownership has caused the team’s premier player to force their hand in order to keep him. The ASG and Waddell have been unwilling to show “good faith” to the players or fans by putting their best foot forward. Now, after two seasons of low balling payroll relative to the rest of the league, Kovy is holding their feet to the fire. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER COME TO THIS.
ASG, for once, allocate the proper resources to field a highly competeitive team or watch another franchise player walk out the door. End the excuses, find the solutions, accept responsibilty, and improve the product.
According to nhlnumbers.com, the Thrashers have the lowest payroll in the Southeast division again this season. At some point, this franchise is going to have to pay to play. This offseason has been the best upgrade in years, but the team still has significant room for improvement. The PK issue still hasn’t been addressed.
So here’s my challenge for the ASG. GIVE THE PLAYERS A CHANCE TO SUCCEED WITHOUT HAVING TO PLAY PERFECT HOCKEY EVERY GAME.
ASG, if you can’t keep Kovy, don’t expect the diehard hockey fanactics to give you another chance. You are out of “wait till next year” excuses, the fans are running out of patience. Kovy wants to stay in Atlanta, don’t force him to leave with a half measured effort to field a team. The fans are behind Kovy and Kovy is behind the fans.
There are unique opportunities still available to improve the team this season. Take a gamble on Zherdev if Kovy thinks he can improve Zherdev’s work ethic. Go get a PK specialist such as Malhotra. Take some bold steps. Get serious.
We love hockey. We applaud the players for their effort during the second half of last season. The players busted their humps with nothing to play for but pride.
It’s time for Waddell and the ASG to bust their humps for once, instead of “skating by” and hoping something good happens.
Like every other Thrasher fan, I want the franchise to prosper. I want to see sellouts. I want to hear Philips Arena rock, but not because those in attendance are cheering for the other team.
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
1:04 am
I don’t know the situation in Russia, Justin. I don’t. I don’t follow the KHL. And I’ll accept your testimony that Nikulin is a big star there. All I know is … the man has had a DECADE TO REPORT and never showed. Nikulin has been a WASTED draft pick. And I don’t mean the “throw away” latter round variety. It’s a sore subject on these message boards. We’ve waited and waited, like Linus in the pumpkin patch, for the Great Nikulin to fly through the air, with his bag of toys. If he hasn’t come by now ….
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 9th, 2009
3:56 am
From what I saw of Nikulin in the World Championships this year I would tab him a #3 or 4 defenseman who can log time on the top PP. On this roster he’d likely be a #2. But Nikulin is no longer an option and hasn’t been since the almost-move to Atlanta last season. That ship has unfortunately sailed.
Rawhide — I hear you. It’s good to know those site owners aren’t actively using ad space to grab your captive audience…but for me this blog pimping (I love the term) is no different than a pop-up advertisement, television timeouts sponsored by UPS, or advertisements on the uniforms. Sure, there is probably something in that other website that appeals to me, but I don’t like being forced to see the ad if I hadn’t sought it out to begin with.
So again, I like that most of those links get SPAM filtered automatically. To me it’s a nuisance. To each his/her own, obviously.
Stroz — Word. The ASG + Zherdev posts are right on.
World Be Free
September 9th, 2009
6:35 am
Nice post Stroz, I totally agree with your post. But it is a similar scene at Braves’ games when NY or Chicago come to town. Same for the old Falcons games before Blank bought the Dirty Birds.
Conversion requires total commitment from management to get the locals to set aside their hometown teams for their adopted team. As a Sabres fan since youth, I will say that I always wear my Thrashers’ jerseys at Buffalo-Atlanta games. I hope others will do the same in the future, if the team continues to move in the right direct.
Winning in the perfect conversion formula.
Sara
September 9th, 2009
7:10 am
Brendan – I’m not sure that it matters that Bogosian and Enstrom aren’t at the point of being a top pair on a SC team. There is no expectation of winning a Cup this year. Kovy himself isn’t even looking for that. He just wants play-off hockey (and I imagine that definition includes winning a game or two this time around). The idea should be that, given the youth on the roster, this team should potentially be competitive for the SC within the next 4-5 seasons. And I think that’s more than reasonable. In 3-5 years, Bogosian, Enstrom, Kane, Little, Army will all be in their prime – Kovy still will be as well. Plus whomever else we develop/draft in the meantime.
While the ASG certainly had to jump in with both feet into the market this off-season to upgrade this roster, I don’t think it was or is necessary to go all in right now. As I alluded, the point this year, IMO, is to prove to Kovy (and by extension everyone else) that the core we have right now is talented and legit. There can be no regression after this season, but I still think we are at least one if not two more seasons away from the “all in” point. Not to mention, as a GM, I’d focus on making sure we have most of the core locked up into another set of contracts first before we start spending on anyone else.
Tony C.
September 9th, 2009
7:25 am
I know it goes against “the book” …but… seeing as how they’re letting #17 build Sportak Atlanta/RedArmySouth, what about making a trade with Rutherford for Babchuk?
I also agree that unless Zherdev & his agent are willing to knock $2M or so off what he asked NYR for, then that money would be MUCH better used on the blueline.
Stroz-Although we’d have the skaters to probably play some “fire on ice” all-Ofense all the time type hockey a la EDM’s halcyon 80’s teams… we’re missing a key component-Lehtonen ain’t even close to Grant Fuhr. Look back at tape of those Edmonton teams and you see Fuhr having to make at least one “save of a lifetime” per game (if not per period), Fuhr was OK with being left alone on an island like that. I just don’t believe KL has the right ‘tude to do that-it’d be awesome if he does, but he has shown me exactly nothing to make me think he could be that kind of a backstop (to be fair, I can only think of 3 guys in the league that I think have the right make-up to play that sort of a high-wire act-).
Glovesave29
September 9th, 2009
8:50 am
But how many goalie are like Grant Fuhr? Theres a reason why he is in the hall of fame. Even other greats like Roy, Dryden and Brodeur would have been irate if they played behind a defense like EDM’s. Some guys have the proper mindset to win every game 7-5 and GAA be damned. I would contend that most don’t.
KL is a good goalie, certainly not a great one. He is good enough that with the proper team, can go deep into the playoffs. We have seen stretches of brilliance that, should that time come in May, could keep a team playing even longer. Our problem is rebounds…KL makes to many first (and second) saves just to watch the rebound get shoved home. This is more taxing on a goalie that you can imagine. Let’s see what a big body like Kubina keeping the slot clear, and then missing Exelby’s “clearing, but not out” defense being subtracted does for the team this season. I expect to see fewer shots (especially rebounds), less out-of-control goalmouth scrambles and much fewer goals against this season.
Sara
September 9th, 2009
9:56 am
Actually, let’s bear in mind that Kari knows no other way to play. He’s been forced every single season to be the guy that bails the team out. Granted, it doesn’t always happen. And Kari has shown frustration at being left hung out to dry by his defense (and forwards too) on a constant basis. But there is great benefit, IMO, to having a goalie who knows what he might be getting into with such a wide open approach then trying to bring in someone else who either expects or is at least used to having a more committed defense in front of him.
I think with marginal improvement – particular as Glovesave addressed in clearing out some bodies in front of the crease and being more adept at clearing the puck once we have possession in our own zone – that we will see an overall improvement for Kari. He can handle a lot of shots as a general rule, just not quite at the level he typically sees – or the high-quality close in shots that cause problems with rebounds. If the 5 skaters would focus on an effort to force the opposition to play the outsides more than around the crease or in the slot (like so many teams do to us), it could make all the difference in the world.
Smoothie
September 9th, 2009
11:30 am
Peter Mannino — our savior!!!
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 9th, 2009
11:41 am
I’m just curious…where do you think The Parade would be downtown, if the Thrashers were ever to win the Stanley Cup? Marietta Street past the projects and the streets where most college kids shouldn’t walk alone without being strapped or wearing a flak jacket? Peachtree Street where not even professional boxers are safe when gassing their car? Centennial Olympic Park Drive past the college dorms and traffic congestion?
I’m sure things would be “cleaned up” for this unlikely parade, but just thinking of the possibilities makes me shiver.
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
11:46 am
Sara, I don’t expect the Stanley Cup this year. I don’t think that’s reasonable. But I’m not Kovalchuk. Let’s look at what Kovalchuk actually said. I call your attention to a Mike Knobler blog, on April 11, 2009, following a 6-2 Thrashing of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Here is the link.
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/thrashers/stories/2009/04/11/thrashers_lightning.html?cxntlid=inform_sr
This is the Kovalchuk quote I’m refering to: Mike Knobler’s lead in was, “Kovalchuk said he wants to see the Thrashers invest in free agents.” Now, here is the Kovalchuk quote, “Hopefully this summer we’re going to do something to build our team,” he said. “Already we made great moves at the [trade] deadline. We kept the right guys here. Everybody worked so hard the last 35 games. I think we can play at a higher level. [Kovalchuk added,] “We need to sign some free agents, spend some money. … I don’t want to compete just for the playoffs. I want to compete for the [Stanley] Cup. I think this city deserves it.” Note: Kovalchuk never specifically said, “in the 2009-10 season,” but I think he implied it, when he qualified about “this Summer” and what the offseason moves needed to be. He spelled his case.
From the same article, Knobler continued, “Asked if that means the Thrashers need to have a payroll closer to the salary cap, Kovalchuk first said “oh, yeah” but quickly qualified that with “I don’t know. I’m not an owner.”
Well, I think that was Kovy trying to be diplomatic moreso than him backpeddling from his demand for fielding a Stanley Cup winning roster for the 2009-10 season.
That whole article is pretty good. There’s a nice quote from Colby Armstrong about the mood of the team improving down the stretch and positive momentum headed into next season. There’s a quote from Bruce Levenson, “Some more pieces, and we can turn this thing around quickly.” Waddell talked about wanting to re-sign Marty Reasoner. And the article ends with Kari Lehtonen’s quote, “I think I can help this team, and I really want to take my game to the next level next year,” Lehtonen said. “I found something new there the last couple of months.”
That was back in April, 2009. We now know that Marty Reasoner did re-sign. Kari re-signed. I don’t recall if it was his qualifying offer, or what. We know that Colby Armstrong re-signed, but only for 1-year. We know Valabik got a new deal. I think it was for 2-years. We know Crabb and Oysterick got contracts. Salmela will be back. We got Kubina in the trade for XLB and Colin Stuart, plus they threw in Stapleton as part of the deal. We got Nik Antropov, on a 4-year deal. Waddell has basically done a pretty decent job this offseason. What would raise my offseason grade of him would be a PROACTIVE deal for Bryan Little, and to put the Wadster off the charts, a locked up Kovalchuk, even if it’s only a 2-year. That’s still a success.
Smoothie
September 9th, 2009
11:50 am
Parade route: from historic Suwanee to Satellite Blvd and culminating at the Ice Forum…to hell with downtown ATL…does Shirley Franklin even know we have a hockey team?
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
11:51 am
Glovesave29, I think that’s right. Not too many goalies would relish the idea of playing a “defense optional” sort of pedal to the metal offense. Generally speaking, I don’t know that goalies mind a lot of shots, so much as they just want to limit the quality scoring chances. I knew a goalie who once told me, “I love to touch the puck. It helps my mental focus. I don’t like going 10-12 minutes without a shot or a dump-in behind the net. I want to feel the ebb and flow of the game.” Well, that’s one goalie’s perspective.
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
11:54 am
Ranallo, the parade route must go up International Boulevard, Peachtree St., past the Civic Center, up past the Woodruff Arts Center and High Museum of Art and just keep going into Mid-Town.
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 9th, 2009
12:24 pm
Smoothie — Surely you jest.
Brendan — I wonder if they’d meander past Ted’s Montana Grill, just for irony’s sake.
Hockey Biltong
September 9th, 2009
12:30 pm
R. Stroz- amen to that sentiment. Imagine if we actually have to trade Kovy in Feb because he wont sign.. I would probably never grace the rink again.Tv would be a sorry replacement…
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
12:44 pm
Ranallo, I would they would pass by Ted’s Montana Grill! And be VERY, VERY LOUD about it. Maybe carrying a sign that read, “Here’s another Championship you didn’t win.” Then again, why sully such a fine moment with shadenfreude? Knowing the City of Atlanta, they’d bill Thrashers fans for the parade costs.
Shirley Franklin knows there’s a hockey team there. City bonds are tied to the arena, if I’m recalling correctly. Wasn’t it just a few months ago that someone was calling for renovating Philips Arena? It struck me as “odd,” since the facility is so relatively new. And it was just LEED certified, too. Has technology changed so much in 10 years, that Philips needs renovation?
Mayor Franklin would, probably, also insist on the parade route emanating from the steps of the Capital Building, on MLK. Pausing. I’d have never GUESSED that we’d be talking about, of all things, a parade route. Then again, I think Kovalchuk would be smiling that we are.
World Be Free
September 9th, 2009
12:44 pm
Why not parade up Veterans Memorial Parkway?
That parade would move fast!
Sara
September 9th, 2009
12:44 pm
Parade routes? Are you people nuts? Why don’t you just go touch the Stanley Cup while you’re at it. Shush!
Brendan – I cannot fathom in even his wildest imaginings that Kovy would honestly expect the team to go out and win the Stanley Cup *this* season. I’m sure he wants it – most all the players do. They must have that mindset coming into every season. But he isn’t going to bolt if the team doesn’t win the Cup. He is likely to bolt if the team does not make the play-offs at all and possibly even if they do but make a very poor showing. Kovy’s reasonable (more than since he hasn’t already checked out at this point) – he knows what a young core this is. Even Pittsburgh couldn’t snag it on their first try. In two shots at it, Ovy and Co. haven’t even made it to the final dance. But they both had shots at it and achieved post-season success. That’s what he’s looking for. He knows good and well that even if we put together a roster as impressive as Pittsburgh’s or Detroit’s it still could not guarantee a Cup. There are never any guarantees – that’s why he’s opposed to Cup chasing like Hossa did. He just wants to believe he’s got a fair shot at getting it and that’s what Waddell and Co. have to prove.
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
12:56 pm
Hockey Biltong, GM Don Waddell has given us HIS WORD … that Kovalchuk will NEVER be traded. If he leaves, per Waddell, it would be Kovalchujk’s choice, via Free Agency.
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I’m just passing along what was reported in the AJC, Biltong. Don’t shoot the messenger. I do, honestly, suspect that DW doesn’t want to trade Kovalchuk. He doesn’t want that to be part of his legacy. If Kovy walks, that’s very, very disappointing. But it does clear $6.5 million in cap room, to either get PROACTIVE with Bogosian or Kane, down the road. Not to mention to free up money for Bryan Little’s next deal. If Antropov re-signed to play with Kovalchuk, and Kovalchuk indicated, privately, to Nik … that he wasn’t staying, I’d bet Antropov wouldn’t have AGREED to a 4-year deal. That’s a long time to spend in Atlanta, sans Kovalchuk. Does Nik love the A-T-L that much? Or his inflated contract so much? Or does he know something? Like? Like Kovy’s using his contract as leverage to get the roster he wants, for the next few years, maybe even promising Nik that more Russians are coming. That’s pure speculation, of course. Perhaps, wild speculation, entirely offbase. But in Kovy’s shoes, I’d wait to sign until June 30, 2010. In fact, that’s my guess in the contest!
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 9th, 2009
1:06 pm
You’re funny Sara — as if us talking about possible routes for the Stanley Cup is the jinx…not the management’s track record, ownership’s unwillingness to spend league average, and all of the other factors we’ve argued ad nausea in these parts. Nah, it’s the talking of parade routes if the Thrashers ever win a Stanley Cup.
Brendan — I was thinking the ownership would do it simply because it was at Ted’s Montana Grill that many of the sales discussions happened…in Ted’s private suite above the restaurant with his son-in-law Beau and the other involved parties. It’s not Shadenfreude towards Time Warner, but rather a tribute to the shady ways they (the ASG) were “allowed” to purchase the team. It would seem fitting but yet ironic at the same time.
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
1:13 pm
Well, Sara, Kovalchuk did specifically say that “I don’t want to just compete for the playoffs.” He wants–has asked for–the chance to COMPETE FOR the Stanley Cup THIS SEASON. That’s his goal, per his quote. Lest the quote be factually misrepresented to Mike Knobler. I take that to mean … that Kovalchuk sees this upcoming season, from an April 2009 perspective, as an opportunity to go DEEP into the playoffs in 2010. I don’t think Kovalchuk’s request is doable, without a new business plan.
We’ve seen the ownership’s response. NHLnumbers.com has the cap at roughly $44,322,000. Capgeek.com has it at about $48 million, and some change. Capgeek has been a little better at keeping its site up-to-date. Not sure NHLnumbers even lists Colby Armstrong’s contract yet this season.
In ownership’s shoes, I’d sit #17 down … and explain “THE PLAN.” If Kovy reviews “THE PLAN” and says, “No sale. Trade me, now. Or I’m playing out my contract and nothing more,” then I’d have to decide to (1) give Kovalchuk what he wants, and that means opening up the purse strings, like it or not, or (2) deciding whether to trade him now or at the 2010 trade deadline. Or, I suppose, letting him walk for nothing, and have an irate fan base, ready to tear down and torch the offices of the Atlanta Thrashers. (Note: You should not EVER resort to this kind of violence, over a sporting event. End note.)
Brendan
September 9th, 2009
1:18 pm
Ahh. I hadn’t thought of that, Ranallo. Very interesting. Well qualified.
Sara
September 9th, 2009
1:22 pm
Ranallo laugh all you want – just remember what happened in Vancouver last season…that’s all I’m sayin’. Fact is we DO have enough issues to get over without adding jinxes to the mix. :-p
Smoothie
September 9th, 2009
1:23 pm
Brendan, pass me a pitch fork and a torch! I’m ready to rumble!
Actually, I’m ready to see some damn hockey! With or without Zherdev I just wanna see some hitting and pretty goals.
ranallo — indeed I was jesting, but I imagine Shirley Franklin only cares about the Thrashers insofar as that the attendance / revenues are large enough to cover said bond payments. Of course, I do think the Thrashers, IIIIIIFFF they were ever able to win a Cup, would owe it to the majority of their fans, who do reside north of I-285 and Perimeter Mall to have a major celebration at the biggest park in Alpharetta or Roswell…something along those lines.
RStroz — did you send your eloquent missive to Don Waddell, Bruce Levenson et al? You’re preachin’ to the choir here on this blog eh?
I’m setting the over / under on goals allowed today against the Canes at 4…I’m thinking we lose 5 – 3 and Kane pots two of them. Anyone?
Rawhide
September 9th, 2009
1:29 pm
Holy #$%@! I go away to write a new blog and I come back to see people are already planning a championship parade around here!!! Oh, the hockey gods are NOT going to be pleased with this at all!!
Time for a new subject obviously!
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 9th, 2009
2:30 pm
Call me cycnical…the hockey gods already dislike the city enough, discussing unrealistic championship parades is not going to anger them further. Hell, it might put Atlanta ON THEIR MAP.
ranallo10 (in AT)
September 9th, 2009
2:30 pm
“cycnical”…well done
Sage of Bluesland
September 9th, 2009
8:45 pm
“…We’ve waited and waited, like Linus in the pumpkin patch, for the Great Nikulin to fly through the air, with his bag of toys. If he hasn’t come by now ….” [Brendan]
Line of the year. Post of the year.
Brilliant “Five-Year Plan” Donny’s lips are moving, folks…pssst, he’s lying and blustering…