Which White Will We Witness This Season?

If I would have told you a year ago that Todd White would account for 73 points in the upcoming season, chances are you would have laughed me clear out of the blogosphere. He was coming off a very lackluster 14 goal, 23 assist performance in his first season in Atlanta and his soft play…most notibly on the defensive side of the ice…earned him the nickname “Charmin” around these parts.

Prior to his arrival in Thrasherville, in the two seasons he played with the Minnesota Wild, White scored 19 goals and 40 points during 61 games as well as 13 goals and 44 points in 77 games. He was a -1 and +8 in his two years there as well. In fact, heading into last season, the most productive year Whitey ever enjoyed in his NHL career was in 2002-03 when he netted 25 goals and 35 assists for 60 points while playing for the Ottawa Senators. He was a +19 that season.

So as you can see, to have predicted such an effort from White…espcially playing for a team that was coming off a 76-point effort the season prior…would have gotten you some very long odds in Vegas.

However, to his credit, that’s exactly what he did.

Last years 73 points were a career high for Todd White (AP Photo Gregory Smith)

Todd White's career-high 73 points were almost double that of the previous season (AP Photo Gregory Smith)

He began the year centering the team’s second line with the veteran Slava Kozlov to his left and the youngster Bryan Little to his right. For the first half of the season that was the most productive and reliable line the Thrashers put out there. He and Little finished off the season with Kaptain Kovy on the top line. The 22 goals last year were not tops for White, however his 51 assists and 73 overall points were.

But the big question that I have about the 5′-10″. 195-pound native of Kanata, ON is…which Todd White are we more likely to see this season?

The one that surprised us all with the career-high 73 points or more of last year?

The one that was all but invisible on the ice two seasons ago?

Or, and this is what I believe…something in between?

Remember, last season was a “career” year…and one such campaign does not necessarily guarantee a follow-up performance at the same level. Certainly I don’t think we’ll see the pedestrian numbers that he put up in his first season in a Thrashers uniform, but I can’t say I’m quite as confident that he’ll match…or top… last year’s either.

Of course, much of that could depend on where he spends his time in the lineup. If the Thrashers don’t make any other major moves to acquire another forward, I would think we would see White, Kozlov and Little form the team’s second line again…and that would be just fine with me. If that is the case, then I think White and that line can be very productive once again.

For the record, I’d like to see Peverley playing the pivot between Kovy and Antropov on the first line.

However, if certain rumors are true and Atlanta brings in, say, Nikolai Zherdev…then that would shuffle things around on the top two lines. Kovy, Antropov and Zherdev could very well be your first line…then the second line could be something like Kozlov, Peverley and Little. If so, then White might be playing down with Reasoner and Armstrong. Is that any way to reward a player’s career year?

Now, some might say to leave White between Little and Kozlov…then place Peverley on the third line. But I think that would really be a waste of Pevs abilities.

Besides, either way you go with that, where would you play Evander Kane? In either scenario, your answer would have to be…Vancouver.

Now please don’t misunderstand me, none of this is at all meant to be a slam on Todd White and I’m certainly not trying …ahem…put the squeeze…ahem… on the player formerly known as Charmin. Like I said prior, I do not believe we’ll see a return to the 2007-09 type of numbers for him. But I’m also skeptical of seeing 73 again as well…though I’d love to be wrong.

Given all that, I’ll throw this matter out to you placing the over/under line on his total point production this coming season at…65.

Look…It’s Rawhide In Russian!

I was recently “cyber-interviewed” by Vadim Kuznetsov who writes for Tribuna.Sports.Ru…and here is the link to his writeup. I warn you though, it’s in Russian. So maybe our friend and frequesnt contributer “Russian” might help us out with the translation, eh?

Anyway, the subject matter includes this summer’s moves by the team, Kovalchuk’s re-signing and how I think the team will do this season.

149 comments Add your comment

World Be Free

August 29th, 2009
9:14 am

I can’t believe I am doing this-FIRST!

World Be Free

August 29th, 2009
9:19 am

Not much about Todd White’s game that really thrills me. I quietly said to myself this summer that an upgrade of Todd White would be beneficial to the team. Doesn’t sound like Thrashers’ fans want to consider getting rid of any of the current regulars. Just look at Jimmy and his legion of supports.

Let’s hope Todd picks it up this year. Frankly, I think we have seen the best of Todd White. Malholtra would have been an upgrade.

Nikita

August 29th, 2009
9:25 am

I love Todd White, and have since about 3 months into his time on the team. I don’t know that we’ll get 70+ points out of him again, but I will be surprised if he doesn’t go north of 50. Which is plenty if the rest of the team pulls its weight.

In his favor:
1. He’s cheap.
2. Kovy likes him.
3. He’s currently our best all-around player and is an asset defensively, offensively, and on special teams.

Kanata Supporter

August 29th, 2009
11:01 am

Your story is so wrong, you are sooo pushing to get White traded. He was for the most part the Thrashers best player last year!!!! Peverly is a bum!!!

mutton

August 29th, 2009
11:22 am

I think 60+ is reasonable to expect from him. He registered 50 assists and that aint a fluke. Maybe he doesnt repeat, but were I he, Id expect at least 45 assists from myself. If his goals total drops off I think we see about 50 points from him, but if he sticks near 20 goals I think we might well see 65-70 points from him.

Just outta curiosity, I looked up how many times a Thrasher has topped 50 assists in Thrash history: Whitey and Kozzy this past season, nobody in 07-08, Hossa, 57, and Kozzy, 52, in 06-07; Savard, 69, and Hossa, 53, in 05-06; nobody in 03-04, but Kovy led with 46; nobody in 02-03, but Kozzy led with 49 with Heater one back at 48; nobody in 01-02, and Heater was the only one with more than 30 at 41; nobody in 00-01 but Ferraro led with 47; nobody past 30 in the inaugural season.

Smoothie

August 29th, 2009
12:11 pm

Ill take the under Rawhide, but just south of 65. I like 20 goals and 40 to 45 assists.

ben

August 29th, 2009
12:23 pm

pevs is no bum!

over on the assists, kovy will be a goal machine this year. Any truth to that interweb rumor that las vegas will land the yotes? myself i feel that would be a bad move. though, I am starting to feel like they should be moved but to a more traditional us market. say, milwakee. the phx economy is just awful, so i’ve read.

Thrashers27

August 29th, 2009
12:24 pm

If Zherdev is brought in and Antro moves to C then we’ll have a heck of a bottleneck at pivot…I would be happy to see this, but from what I hear Antro isn’t too hot on the draw. Beyond that, I’d say that means that White plays second line C and Pevs goes third line LW. Unfortunately, that’s what hamstrung Pevs in Nasvhille. He was playing on the third line and not given a chance to produce. The only other option is trading White, or Peverley for picks, or prospects.

If Zherdev is brought in we could almost have three scoring lines.

Smoothie

August 29th, 2009
12:57 pm

The Zherdev rumor is bunk. Not gonna happen. Dude is a -46 for his career, PASS. A line of Kovy, Antro and Z would be exciting but one and done all the time with no cycling or extended puck possession.

The tuffest thing for Whitey will be duplicating his PP production since he may lose some mins to Antro and even Bogey / Kubes if we move Kovy off the point to mix it up.

My predictions:

Kovy — 52 G – 49 A – 101 pts

Antro — 31 G – 38 A – 69 pts

Kozzy — 23 G – 44 A – 67 pts

Pevs — 24 G – 41 A – 65 pts

Whitey — 21 G – 43 A – 64 pts

Litts — 28 G – 29 A – 57 pts

Army — 24 G – 21 A – 45 pts

Reasy — 16 G – 19 A – 35 pts

Kane / Crabb / Macho — approx 10 G and 15 assists

Slates — 12 G – 13 A – 25 pts

Thor — 7 G – 8 A – 15 pts

Boults — 6 G – 5 A – 11 pts

Team — 260 goals scored with a few from Krogger and Stewart during call-up games

Pam on Weck

August 29th, 2009
1:01 pm

More than enough centers is a good problem to have. White and Pevs were both pleasant surprises last season, so it’s difficult to want to push either to the 3rd line. But is either really THE center that can anticipate and capitalize on Kovy’s every move? Let’s face it. That’s what we really want. I will be more than satisified if Pevs turns out to be THE center and White continues on the 2nd line. Though Pevs has shown signs of greatness, it’s still a gamble.

Thrashers27

August 29th, 2009
1:12 pm

Those are pretty lofty numbers there, Smoothie.

I wonder if Krog might do better here in Atlanta with Anderson at the helm.

I’d love to see Little hit the 40 goal mark this year. I think he can do it.

I think Kane will see his nine games at the beginning of the season and then be shipped back to Vancouver. Unless there’s an injury, or trade, there’s just no room for him right now and there is no need to rush him.

kracker

August 29th, 2009
1:21 pm

Kanata…? Is that like athelitic? Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

I take the under at 65 points. Of course, I’d be quite pleased to be wrong and if the whole team plays like last spring I just might be. However, that’s just as big of an IF as is ‘how will TW play?’. White can’t rack up assists all by himself, Slava and Little have to do their part and score.

Smoothie

August 29th, 2009
1:38 pm

Yeah T27, I got just a bit carried away. I meant for those numbers to total in the neighborhood of 250 goals from our forwards. You have to think we’ll get at least 35-40 G from our blueline with the addition of Kubina. I really think this team is capable of scoring 285-290 goals for the season or an avg of nearly 3.5 per game. Last year, despite a horrible start (the 7 goal game against WSH in the opener notwithstanding) last season, the team still averaged 3.14 GPG. Add in Antropov’s 25 + goals alone and you have an additional .3 GPG. I’ll revise some of my prediction figures so the team as a whole is right around 285 (although I think the potential is higher) or 3.45 GPG:

Kovy — 52 is just fine
Antro — 27 is prolly more realistic
Kozzy — 21 makes more sense
Pevs — 24 is attainable IMHO
Whitey — 19 since his production stands to suffer the most
Little — 27 as 30+ will be hard to duplicate
3rd line — 45-50 goals is a realistic target I believe (20 from Army, 15 from Marty & 10-15 Other)
4th line — 25 goals is attainable as Gods had 19 G w/ Slater missing 20 gms
Team — 245-250 goals from the forwards

D-men Targets:

Bogey — 13 goals
Kubina — 8 goals
Enstrom — 5 goals
Hainsey — 4 goals
Oystrick — 3 goals
Salmsy — 2 goals
Other D — 2 goals
Blueline — 35-40 goals

Even if we do score 3.3-3.5 GPG, the bigger question is can we keep the GAA down around 3.00? If we can do that, then a + goal differential of 20-30 could be good enough to get in the playoffs. If you think I’m being a bit overly optimistic, perhaps I am. But I’m tired of being one of the less optimistic people on this blog. I’m trying to embrace a new positive outlook for this team and I’m just about ready to dive deep into the tank like a Democrat did for Obama!!

Brendan

August 29th, 2009
1:40 pm

I think we’ll see the same Todd White as last season, Rawhide. He fits this team.

Smoothie

August 29th, 2009
2:34 pm

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=289156

Wow, did we really fall asleep and miss this? Tanguay to the Bolts, great. A new French Connection in Tampa of all places. Let’s hope our top line of Kovy — Pevs/White — Antro can offset their goal production against us. Now we really need to sign Malhotra for that third line. C’mon Waddudley, get it done! Convince the ASG to loosen the purse strings!! We can pay MM $2 M per year and still not lose out on revenue sharing.

lee

August 29th, 2009
3:40 pm

nice blog. i luv white, he’s been an all around player and even though he isn’t always scoring he’s a great assister and is always there. the guys luv him too. whites a great guy and maybe with our new friends he can grab the puck a little more often. i think he will show some improvement in some way. lets keep our attitudes positive through out the season. LETS GO THRASHERS!!!!!!!!!!

lee

August 29th, 2009
3:41 pm

smoothie-is waddy really gettin serious about this MM situation??

Rawhide

August 29th, 2009
4:38 pm

mutton – First off, welcome…nice to see new faces around here. And nice work with those numbers…that puts White in some very good company indeed.

Kanata Supporter – So…my “story is so wrong”? Uhhh, tell me…what did I get wrong?

His 73 point production last season? Nope.

That those 73 points were a career high? No, that’s correct.

That he only had 14 goals and 23 assists the season before? No…that’s correct.

The stats from his days in Minnesota? Ottawa? Nope and nope.

That he played on the second line to begin the year with Kozlov and Little? Ummm…I think I got that one right, too.

Or is it, my friend, that you think my “story is so wrong” simply because you disagree with my opinion that Peverley should play on the top line and White would be better off between Little and Kozlov again?

As for me “sooo pushing to get White traded”…oh, I only wish I had that type of pull with Waddell and the Spirit Boys.

And finally, as to Pevs being a “bum”…take a look at his numbers after joining the Thrashers, (13 goals, 22 assist & +16 in 39 games). If you take those stats and project them over the course of an 82 game season…assuming you can do that kind of math…you will see that it equates to right at 73 points. The same total White had last year.

Oh, and the 35 points in 39 games were just 2 shy of White’s total in 2007-08 during a full season of play here.

So, given all of that, would White then be a “bum” as well?

Personally, I would hardly call either of the players a “bum”.

ex-STH

August 29th, 2009
4:48 pm

Now that Tanguay is scratched off the list, anything on bringing in a solid vet with a 1 year signing (ie. Sykora, Rob Niedermayer, (I read Lang wants nothing to do with the Thrash))?? There always seems to be that one veteren player picked up just before camp. Who will it be this pre-season? Or who will be traded off with SO MANY prospects and depth players? (Probably White and a prospect or two) White blew his wad on his career season last year. He is at maximum value right now of his entire career! The guy had a great season and is well liked but isn’t this a “business” and isn’t the objective to improve the team?!?

dandylions

August 29th, 2009
5:15 pm

Breathe, Rawhide breathe. Those of us that read daily but never post know you are “The Man”. And we know you are never wrong!

lee

August 29th, 2009
5:25 pm

rawhide, don’t listen to that guy. he’s the bum and i bet he knows nothin or very little about hockey and how great u r.

lee

August 29th, 2009
5:26 pm

rawhide-how serious is waddy getting into the manny malhotra thing?

Rawhide

August 29th, 2009
5:40 pm

dandylions – Thanks… nice to know you’re out there. But as for me being “never wrong”, I don’t know about that. I know the Divine Mrs. R would definately disagree with you. :lol:

lee – All I have heard is that Waddell made him an offer…he has decided to see if there is a better one out there for him. If that’s true, I would rather not have him here if he’s just shopping around for the money or thinks he can land on a team closer to contending.

Everyone – I have just updated the blog post to include a link to a Russian writer who recently “cyber-interviewed” me about the Thrashers. Russian, can you help a brother out with the translation?

R. Stroz

August 29th, 2009
7:10 pm

Charmin was really on a roll last season.

Curly

August 29th, 2009
8:45 pm

Rawhide – For a translation; try this link – http://translation2.paralink.com/

Brendan

August 29th, 2009
9:30 pm

Before the Todd White blog ends, (though I haven’t seen a Ranallo warning or a note from Trixie,) I want to say this about him. Jump into my time machine. We’re setting the coordinates for July 1, 2007. The Thrashers, after having made four trade deadline deals just to preserve a playoff berth, were swept out of the playoffs by the NY Rangers. A move that former beat writer Craig Custance said, “would set the Thrashers back by five years.”

Still with me? (And let’s not have some Craig Custance-bashing here. I only mentioned it.) Allright, who AGREED to sign with Atlanta after such disappointment and set back? Yes, Eric Perrin did. Who, I think, is still looking for work. But it was Todd White who, without a GUN lodged in his short-ribs, agreed to a 4-year/$9.5 million deal. Or something very similar to this.

Okay. What does it mean? It means that Todd White was WILLING to come here. And maybe, he even WANTED to come here. He knew he’d get 2nd line minutes. He knew he’d get ice time. And I’d wager that the Thrashers were the only team offering him a FOUR YEAR DEAL at that time. Part of wooing a UFA is showing him how COMMITTED you are to his services. I wasn’t opposed to Don Waddell signing Todd White. Every team needs depth players. It was Marian Hossa who privately thought, (SPECULATION ALERT!!), “You’ve got to be kidding me? I asked for caviar, and you gave me a turkey sandwich on rye.”

But really, Todd White hasn’t been some abject failure for the Thrashers. He’s fairly responsible two-way player. He’s excellent value for the money. He’s halfway home now, on his four-year deal. When Todd White arrived at training camp, Kovalchuk expressed his approval of White’s abilities. I’ve never hear Kovalchuk issue a discouraging word at Todd White. That’s probably a GOOD thing, as far as Kovy contract negotiations go.

Why mention any of this? Well, there are/seem to be people who thought Todd White would do a faceplant at Center Ice. Or think this season was an abberration. Todd White has not failed the Thrashers. He took a chance on us, when few players would. He was a UFA signing. And, now, he is a veteran presence during the building project. (Shhh, no OFFICIAL VOICE of the organization will admit to that. It’ll be our secret.) While it’s true that Todd White isn’t getting any younger, I wouldn’t label him as “over the hill” just yet. I look forward to another great season from Todd White, as a steadying force on the 2nd line.

Rawhide

August 29th, 2009
10:34 pm

Curly – Thanks…good translation site! Oh, and… welcome.

Brendan – Well stated professor.

mutton

August 29th, 2009
10:53 pm

Rawhide: Ive been a reader for a while now. Figured it was time to say hello. I always enjoy your blog; keep up the good work!

World Be Free

August 29th, 2009
11:41 pm

I’d take Peverly anytime over White. Rick Peverly made things happen last yeat when he was on the ice. White was pretty uneventful when he was out there. Yeah, he fits this team-mediocre.

Ernest Hemingway

August 30th, 2009
2:07 am

Brendan, please just get to the point and stop asking rhetorical questions that only serve to simply clutter your otherwise acceptable prose.

lee

August 30th, 2009
9:56 am

ernest hemingway-hey dude chill out, he’s making a very good point out there that u r just too lazy to read it all. hockey is very complex, didn’t know if u knew that.

brendan-hey don’t listen to him, i luv ur posts and i bet a lot of other people do too.

rawhide-how much did waddy offer MM?

GaVaHokie

August 30th, 2009
10:42 am

Let’s hope Todd picks it up this year. Frankly, I think we have seen the best of Todd White. Malholtra would have been an upgrade.

wh, wh, what?! Sorry can’t give you that one… there’s a huge difference there.

GaVaHokie

August 30th, 2009
10:54 am

Todd White is a cranial player… if healthy, I don’t see why he shouldn’t get the same numbers. The problem with him in Minnesota was the defensive minded game they play there… why do you think Gaborik wanted out? Which was problem #2… Gaborik was always hurt… White rarely had a superstar to dish the puck to.

Now he has Kovalchuk… or at worst… another cranial player in Slava Kozlov.

I still welcome Malhotra… I’m not bitter… the only reason we’re offended as Thrashers fans is because… well, we’re Thrashers fans. If you had offers from say Phoenix and Florida and then you heard Boston and Pittsburgh had interest in you, wouldn’t you take a “wait and see” approach?

GaVaHokie

August 30th, 2009
11:01 am

Smoothie… saw the Tanguay thing first thing this morning… sickening… Could be one of the best lines in Hockey.

World Be Free

August 30th, 2009
11:08 am

GaVa-yeah, I am over being made at Manny. I would welcome him too. Manny or Zherdev would really help our lineup.

Brendan

August 30th, 2009
11:15 am

Hokie, that’s a good point, and I never thought of that. It’s hard for Todd White to rack up assists when Gaborik wasn’t there. Ya know what? I’m gonna take Minnesota to be one of my adopted Western Conference teams this year. Phoenix is out. It’ll be Minn-E and L.A. this year. (It changes every year.)

Rawhide, I think this was an excellent blog topic, as evidenced by the array of opinions presented here.

Lee, thanks! In the end, none of us can please everybody. In my view of things, I commend Todd White for jumping on board the SS Thrashers. If you ask some others, Todd White’s agreeing to sign here was the equivalent of straigtening out deck chairs on the Titanic, then grabbing a violin and joining in with the band, in the chilly night air.

Buzzeng

August 30th, 2009
11:21 am

Jeepers, Rawhide – your “squeeze” line just made me spray my orange juice all over my laptop, and Stroz’ “roll” line ruined my cleanup effort. Never a dull moment on your blog! Keep up the great work! Go Thrashers!!

lee

August 30th, 2009
11:30 am

i too am not going overboard with mm. white is an excellent player that we definetly need to hold on too. mm is welcome, but he needs to know that we r keeping white. white WANTED to come here. he wanted someone to pass the puck to unlike gaborik. Malhotra kinda doesn’t want to come here, he just wants money and frankly, well white is just as good as malhotra. zherdev and manny r welcome, but their not my top priority for the thrashers.

tanguay, oh, tanguay, he’s just so good. we r really up for a great matchup!

Smoothie

August 30th, 2009
11:41 am

No doubt Hokie, the Tampons could be really tuff this year if the chemistry is there. I would think having an entire line of French-speaking players would certainly help. Perhaps we should make sure we have an entire line of Russians and pick up Zherdev for a 1 year deal afterall. Let’s hope that if in fact Tampa is much improved that Car and Fla drop off quite a bit.

Smoothie

August 30th, 2009
12:48 pm

BTW, nice going Rawhide, excellent use of alliteration!

Rawhide

August 30th, 2009
12:50 pm

rawhide-how much did waddy offer MM?

lee – I believe it was 4-years at about $2 million per.

Rawhide, I think this was an excellent blog topic, as evidenced by the array of opinions presented here.

Brendan – Thanks…just trying to stir the pot, ya know.

Jeepers, Rawhide – your “squeeze” line just made me spray my orange juice all over my laptop, and Stroz’ “roll” line ruined my cleanup effort.

Buzzeng – I hope your laptop wasn’t damaged…should I put up some sort of disclaimer citing “Not Responsible For Damage To Computer Due To Beverage Spewing Caused By Reaction To Reading This Blog Or Subsequent Comments” :lol:

BTW, nice going Rawhide, excellent use of alliteration!

Smoooooothie – Thank youuuu…I was a-hopin’ to use my words gooder for all ya’lls.

mutton – Well, it’s nice to have another “lurker” emerge from the shadows. Please chime in more often!!

World Be Free

August 30th, 2009
12:54 pm

The odd thing about malholtra is that he has just dropped off the face of the earth. Even Eklund has been quiet on Manny. Very strange.

I think Tampa will be much improved with Tanguay. I have never been a big Alex fan, but he’s have some good setup guys to paly with.

kracker

August 30th, 2009
1:18 pm

Amen to that, Earnest.

ben

August 30th, 2009
1:20 pm

just b/c manny “dropped off the face of the earth” that doesn’t mean he’s a lock for Le Thrash. Who else thinks this is Letemin’s last year in Georgia?

lee

August 30th, 2009
1:43 pm

WBF-yeah, i know it’s so weird it’s seems something suspisious is going on.

lee

August 30th, 2009
1:47 pm

ok this might sound weird but i luv video games and i am PUMPED for the NHL 10 game! it looks beast, anyone agree with me???!!!

The Earl of Bud

August 30th, 2009
2:12 pm

Bill Tiller, I have a couple of issues with some of the things you said so I’ll lay them on you and then you tell me if you think I am wrong.

1) You looked at 1 good year of White last season compared to his bad years. But in looking at his bad years your first example was his first with Atlanta. That was the year that not only was the team pitiful, but outside of superstars named Kovalchuk and Hossa, the leading scorer on the team was Perrin at 45 points in 81 games. That tells you right there that it was just a #@#%ty team that even Kozlov could only score 41 points on.

2) His next bad years you looked at were Minnesota. But as someone beat me to it, that is a defensive first team. When White had low totals with the Wild, they were 19th in the league in Goals For, but first in the league in Goals Against. They didn’t win games by having players put up big numbers, but yet they still went to the playoffs by trapping teams and holding the opponents scoring down.

3) That leaves us looking at his Ottawa years, his first 2 full seasons in the league, as a true measuring stick in addition to last year. Keep in mind too he was being shuffled around as Radek Bonk was also putting up big numbers from the center position and getting TOI there.

So now I ask you, do you expect the 2009-10 Atlanta Thrashers to be like the 07-08 Thrashers and trapping Minnesota Wild or more like the Sens of the early decade and the 08-09 Thrashers? I think they will be more like the Sens and 08-09 Thrashers. Thus, Todd White will produce but will get hurt by a loss of PP time when it comes to scoring.

Final note – if we are going to pat Anderson on the back for looking at a guy like Peverley in Milwaukee and turning him into a diamond in the rough, shouldn’t we also expect him to do the same as a coach when he says Todd White can produce? To call White “charmin” when the whole team sucked shows there is a lack of knowledge as to what was really happening on a team that fired Bob Hartley and had Hossa being shopped in addition to all the lockerroom cancers.

Rawhide

August 30th, 2009
2:39 pm

EOB – I don’t really think it’s a matter of you or anyone else offering up an opinion as being “right” or “wrong”…simply perception and observation. My impression of White in his first year here were not positive. I base that not only on his numbers, but also on the way I saw him play.

Last season, I thought he played better…his numbers certainly showed that. I also think that White benifited from Anderson’s style of play as well as having Bryan Little to one side of him. I won’t discount Kozlov either…who had a remarkable season. And to that point I thought he continued to play well once placed with Kovy late in the season.

As for your first point…yes, the Thrashers were flat out awful for the most part in 2007-08. And Todd White was a part of that team. Was he the sole “reason” it was so bad? Nope…but he was a part of it.

As for the points about Minnesota and Ottawa…it’s well taken. Those numbers we simply provided as historical references to his personal stats. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for comparing the current Thrashers with Minn. or Ottawa of the past…that wasn’t the point of my question regarding White. I simply have thrown out to the masses the question of whether or not we’ll see the Todd White of two seasons ago or last season. Personally, I think it’ll more closely resemble that of last season…but maybe not as high a point production as his 73 of last season.

The Earl of Bud

August 30th, 2009
3:50 pm

BT, I don’t think it’s “right” or “wrong” either, I think I was aiming that more at the Kanata guy than you. Your reply was kinda was I was thinking when you said “So…my “story is so wrong”? Uhhh, tell me…what did I get wrong?”

So I was just trying to say “is my opinion at all justified?” and not just say “YOU’RE WRONG TILLER AND GET OFF THE INTERNET!” and left it up to you to say do you agree with me or not. By all means, disagree with me but just tell me why and we can have a fun conversation.

I was throwing all the years up because I think there is “defensive team/crappy team” Todd White and then there is “offensive minded team/more successful team” Todd White. This coming year is going to be more like the 08-09 Thrashers as a whole, so I definitely think we will see a good Todd White. As for some of the weak play that he had two years ago, again, EVERYONE was weak and to even say “well Todd was part of that team” just doesn’t do him justice. Look at Kozlov’s play from that year. He wasn’t skating hard. Hossa wasn’t driving hard. Holik was much worse. Todd walked into a cancer waiting to spread.

I think all he needs to hit is 60 points, say 20 goals and 40 assists. He is the #2 center and it is going to be up to Little to continue to blossom, Kozlov & Antropov to add in their totals, Peverley is the one I think who needs to hit 70+ points. Oh, and I think Kovalchuk hits 100 this year the more I think about it (albeit in my biased way).

Don’t forget, Kubina, Bogosian & Entstrom can all man the point on the PP. That means that Kovalchuk may move down low. Antropov is going to get a lot of time on the 1st unit. That’s 2 forwards who are going to get cut from the PP and I think it will be White & Kozlov. Todd White had 73 points, of which 34 where from the PP. Everyone complained about Enstrom’s drop in play last year but really he just got less PP TOI and no one figured out he was playing better but just getting less PPPs. But since we gauge things on points first we fall into the trap. Todd White is going to have a similar dropoff but don’t think that it means he is going to be doing worse. I put him at 60 and if the drop comes in his PPP then that can mean he is doing just as good.

GaVaHokie

August 30th, 2009
4:05 pm

Malhotra kinda doesn’t want to come here, he just wants money and frankly

Actually, I see it as quite the opposite… he’ll get LESS money going to a contender. If he wanted the big pay day he would have signed with us immediately… I don’t think he’ll get what we’re offering him from anyone else.

I personally think he’ll be happy once he’s signed here and gets into training camp and starts meeting some of the other guys…. wouldn’t be surprised to here, “I was reluctant to sign at first, but really, I couldn’t be happier.”

EOB… I’ll remind you that Todd White’s first year was on a line with an injured Kozlov. A healthy Kozlov with a healthy White, should produce no differently this year than last year.

Prior to coming to Atlanta, he mostly played Checking Line minutes in Minnesota and Ottawa… it’s uncomparable to me.

Todd White is another case of Waddell signing an under-utilized player, that would otherwise seem like a bum, and giving him a bigger role.

Holik, Rucchin, McEachern= veteran experience
Savard, Belanger, White= under-utilized players

Which one’s have panned out the best?