Billboards On Skates? Not A Fan

Eli Manning, the Super Bowl winning quarterback for the New York Giants, has a bit of a dilemma. See, the team he plays for…the one that pays his salary… went and sold ad space on their practice jerseys to Timex. Problem is… Eli endorses Citizen watches.

So what’s Manning going to do about this situation? Well, according to Darren Rovell of CNBC

“Manning’s jersey has the patch on it and news crews might be able to film the small patch – 3½ inches by 4½ inches – from afar, but for this practice and all future practices, Manning is not expected to give Timex much love due to his conflict of interest. We’re told Manning will do interviews before practice in a t-shirt and will take off his pads for any interviews after practice”.

Well…I guess that takes care of that, huh?

Now, what does any of this have to do with the Thrashers and/or the NHL? Well, I’m glad you asked me that my friend.

Reading this story reminded me of a particular topic that has circled around the hockey world for some time now. It’s the one about possibly granting corporate sponsors the ability to place their logos on NHL team jerseys. If this is allowed, it would help generate more revenue for the teams and the league. It would also, in my opinion, simply pollute some of the greatest jerseys in professional sports.

Certainly, this isn’t a new idea as European hockey and soccer leagues allow such advertisement on the uniforms of their teams. Depending on the sport and the league, you could see jerseys with a single, large logo of a sponsor on the front of the uniform…or a smattering of smaller logos scattered all over it.

Needless to say…I’m not a fan of the idea.

(AP modified photo)

Don't we get enough of this alongside our interstate highways? (AP modified photo)

Obviously, corporate sponsorships are a necessary aspect of professional sports and the placement of product ads can be found all over the place. From the naming of arenas and stadiums…to ads on the boards and hanging from inside of them…to the word “official” stamped on everything from the teams airline to jock-itch powder…franchises in each league generate a lot of dough by selling space for advertisement. And certainly these ads help bring enough money for the teams and offset ticket prices and run the business end of the organization. So I’m not suggesting that there isn’t a place for logos, ads and sponsorships.

TV…fine.

Radio…no problem.

Billboards along I-75…blocks the natural scenary, but OK.

Internet sites…hey, it keeps the surfing the net free of charge, right?

Like I said, advertisement is fine in it’s place. But what I am asking…hoping… is that such a place not be located on the jerseys. That’s all. The last thing in the world I want to see is the ice surface at Philips Arena looking more like a mini NASCAR track than an NHL hockey game.

I was in a sports store the other day looking at soccer…I mean, football… jerseys from teams in England and Germany. there isn’t a one of them that isn’t displaying some type of corporate logo on the front of the jersey. I couldn’t help but wonder if the fans that bought and wore the shirts were supporting, say, Manchester United or AIG…just sayin’.

That plus the Manning story kinda got me thinking about how a Thrashers uni would look with…oh, I don’t know…a big Coca-Cola or Home Depot or Delta or maybe even UPS logo plastered on the front as the team’s crest. Then, of course, the Thrashers logo would be relegated to a small patch on the shoulder.

In a word…yeck!

See…I like Home Depot, dropped many-a-coin there since becoming a homeowner. I fly Delta whenever I travel…never had a problem with the airline. I enjoy the occasional Coca-Cola and I use UPS whenever I need to send a package.

Again…I like those companies.

But I am a fanatic of the Atlanta Thrashers. And that’s the logo I want to see on the front when watching them play. And when I buy a new jersey, I want the logo of my team to be on display, not necessarily some product or service that I may or may not use…or may or may not even like.

Besides, I think it’d just look tacky as hell…but that’s just me.

Now, I honestly don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to think that we’ll soon see the day when a small logo could be added to NHL jerseys for a corporate sponsor…much like the Kroger patch on those worn by the ECHL’s Gwinnett Gladiators. I suppose it’s inevitable…where there is a dollar to be made, a dollar will indeed be made…whether I, or anyone else for that matter, like it or not.

I hope it doesn’t, but if and when such a day should ever come, I hope the league officials will temper their enthusiasm and desire for the extra money that could be generated by advertisement with the wisdom and foresight of not allowing the sport to degenerate into nothing more than “Ads on Ice and turn the players into ”Billboards on Skates”.

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R. Stroz

August 5th, 2009
1:06 pm

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August 5th, 2009
1:19 pm

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Buzilla in CT

August 5th, 2009
1:23 pm

I went to high school with Darren Rovell. His brother Brian Rovell was in my year. Darren was two years ahead.

Just thought I would share…

GaVaHokie

August 5th, 2009
1:23 pm

Doesn’t bother me any as long as there is still hockey… hell… if Home Depot will pay the entire $56 million in salary, I’d call them the Home Depot Thrashers… they just happen to play in Atlanta.

It’ll be just like Little League where your team is the name of a local business.

Tom

August 5th, 2009
1:25 pm

Great points Rawhide.

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Smoothie

August 5th, 2009
1:29 pm

http://thrashersrecaps.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-does-antropov-fit-in-team.html

I should have known it was too close to “ranallo time” to post a new entry on a “stale” blog (not to say the conversation was stale mind you). Anyway, once again, check out the link above for a good read on Antropov and how the giant RW likes to do his scoring damage. If he can replicate these numbers (in terms of where on the ice he scores his goals) playing with Kovy, then I think we will all be quite happy with the potential production of our top line.

EOB – I agree with you. To answer the question the blogger poses at the end of the piece, I say PEVERLEY!! I was very impressed with Rich’s ability to get back on D to “protect” his linemates from a possible 2 on 1 either developing or leading directly to a goal.

Buzilla in CT

August 5th, 2009
1:31 pm

by the way, Blueland is an extension of what you’re saying Rawhide. It took a few years but eventually Phillips weaseled their way into the colors of the Thrashers jersey already. The blue lettering of the “Phillips” logo looks pretty similar to all the same color blue from our “new” blue jerseys. If you remember, my tag name used to be ‘Buzilla Baby Blue’ in protest of these new blue jerseys that I have always hated and really hated because of the fact that it was corporate sponsorship that made them a reality. I miss the old maroon jersey with the ultimate warrior logo on the front. That, to me, is the one true pure Thrasher jersey. I never liked the big “Superman” logo on the white jersey(I have also heard it called the Coffee cup logo since it looks like a bird stirring his morning cup of Joe) and I don’t like anything about the blue jersey’s other than the word “Atlanta” down the sleeve. The only reason I own one was because I won it in a fan video contest.

This was longer than I expected. Sorry.

Buzilla in CT

August 5th, 2009
1:32 pm

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The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
1:39 pm

Smoothie, it’s Lindy Ruff’s classic combo – a sniper, a banger and a passer. Peverley would fit perfectly for those two as the passer.

Bill Tiller, we are in the South, shouldn’t we go the way of NASCAR? Just kidding. Check out the top photo puck daddy used for this article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Moving-forever-closer-to-advertising-on-NHL-jers?urn=nhl,179465

Finally, I think of when the Vancouver Grizzlies moved to Memphis. FedEx, whose corp HQ is in Memphis, wanted to buy the naming rights to the team. They would be called the Memphis Express, complete with new logo. But David Stern put the kibosh on it and we have the Memphis Grizzlies instead.

Toby

August 5th, 2009
1:46 pm

Man…I can sure go for a basket of wings while I shop for my laptop…

Rawhide

August 5th, 2009
1:56 pm

EOB – The New York MLS team have the same thing happen as what you were describing with the Memphis Grizzlies…they are now known as the New York Red Bulls.

Tacky!

Thrashy Thrashy

August 5th, 2009
2:01 pm

It’s entertainment. Entertainment generally is overladen with sponsorship. I’d rather not see ads all over the unis, but if the teams can make some cash off of it, why not?

GaVaHokie

August 5th, 2009
2:02 pm

What if I told you, you could replace your entire roster of players with just ONE player? It shoots, it scores, iit fights, it will block shots… it even shoots T-shirts!

It’s the Hockey Bot 3000

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ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
2:03 pm

If allowing corporate sponsors a tiny piece of uniform gave struggling markets like Atlanta, Nashville, Florida, Phoenix, etc, a chance to compete monetarily with the big dogs, why not allow it? A salary cap limits spending, but allowing sponsorships provides added revenue for teams who struggle at the gate, filling the corporate suites, etc., which ultimately allows for salary parity across the league.

I should say now that I don’t believe for one second that the NHL will ever become a commercial on skates like the foreign leagues have (it should be recognized that those foreign leagues are dying for any money they can find, where as most NHL teams are swimming in money). If any sort of logo creep appears on NHL sweaters I would expect it to be small patches somewhere on the shoulder (like where the numbers appear on the Buffalo uniforms).

Speaking of on ice advertisements, doesn’t the 4 advertisements around the faceoff circle, the billboards strung along the ice itself, and the now compulsory scrolling advertisement on the LED board in the stands make you think that corporate creep is already in full effect?

Again, I wouldn’t care if it was the Home Depot Thrashers of Atlanta and the uniforms were bright orange…if that was the only way the team was financially able to stay in Atlanta, so be it. I don’t believe it will ever get to that point in the NHL, and I agree that I wish (for traditions sake) that logos never bust their way onto the uniform, but I can live with it if it were to unfortunately happen.

Futbol uniforms are definitely not a problem compared to international hockey sweaters… http://www.football-wallpapers.com/wallpapers2/real_madrid_10_1024×768.jpg — to me one medium sized logo isn’t too bad.

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
2:13 pm

BT, I forgot about the Red Bulls, of course soccer isn’t at the top of the memory bank.

ranallo10 (in AT), while yes, the struggling markets might get a little more $$ by doing this, but once they do it so will the O-6 teams and then the great divide still exists.

But if the Thrashers win some playoff games this year, shouldn’t they be the Delta Thrashers and not the Home Depot or Coke Thrashers? After all that would be a change.

GaVaHokie

August 5th, 2009
2:18 pm

Now, if the money from Timex became so lucrative to the Giants that it forced them to trade Eli Manning because of his Citizen endorsement… then maybe we have a problem.

R. Stroz

August 5th, 2009
2:20 pm

Smoothie – In reference to your earlier post, it’s always important to be effective in the crease.

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R. Stroz

August 5th, 2009
2:26 pm

Alexei Zhitnik was invited to the Russian Olympic team camp. No Joke.

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Jacques Strapp

August 5th, 2009
2:27 pm

Mr. RStroz, if ze Viagra deed indeed sponsour ze Thrashiers, they could then say zat zee team is gitting bigger, stronger with ze faster reaction time.

Don Waddell

August 5th, 2009
2:29 pm

Alexei Zhitnik is going to be a big part of Russia’s Olympic team.

Alan

August 5th, 2009
2:35 pm

Zhitnik was only invited because he makes a good practice pylon.

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Smoothie

August 5th, 2009
2:46 pm

R Stroz — nice one buddy! Can always count on you for a few zingers to wake me up from my desk stupor. LOL And I noticed that particular peculiarity on the Russian invitee list as well. Perhaps Zhitty has finally woken up from his on-ice stupor and has returned to being an effective puck mover once again. Doubtful, but it is the KHL where the talent level is a bit lower. Then again, he is probably expected to be the perfect practice pylon around which to skate, through which to shoot and off which to pocket-pick.

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
2:57 pm

EOB — The salary cap already keeps those free spenders in check. Allowing for more revenue would just pad their pockets, while it would make the lower end teams more competitive. The problem, however, is that the cap is directly linked to league revenue. If Atlanta makes more money all teams in the NHL benefit from it by sharing said revenue and by the rising of the cap.

Until the link between salary cap and revenue gets broken the highend teams will gain from an increase in ad revenue generated.

fes

August 5th, 2009
3:02 pm

I would not purchase another hockey jersey if sponsor logos were added. Feel free to add them to the multitude of colored practice jerseys though.

The NHL has an advantage over several other leagues by placing ads along the boards and around center ice. MLB has taken notice and increased their ads along walls and the green screens behind the plate that can display whatever they want it to (which seem to always say sponge tech regardless of the city, wtf). The Braves have also been advertising on the stairs in the section behind home plate.

five_hole

August 5th, 2009
3:13 pm

Bill, I’m surprised that you’re coming out against the free market. Isn’t it the right of the owners to sell the space on goalie masks, jerseys, whatever, to the highest bidder? Revenue, revenue, revenue. Who cares about aesthetics?

Seriously, this has been in the making for decades. Stadiums used to be named after owners (Wrigley field, Commisky park) or simply the team (Dodgers stadium). Then corporate ownership took over, and how we have corporate names plastered everywhere. I fully expect them to sell advertising space over the men’s urinals and women’s stalls.

Is it the case of “We need more in order to compete”, or “We need more because we don’t have enough now”? I would argue that if you put a competetive team here that could win consistently, there would be enough revenue to make a reasonable profit, and my proof is the other teams with winning records.

Personally, I hate billboards on the highways, and I really hate the idea of sports jerseys being loaded up with Nike/Coke/Verizon logos.

five_hole

August 5th, 2009
3:17 pm

I almost forgot my favorite Jeremy Roenick moment. Anyone else remember the playoffs, when Darrien Hatcher hit Roenick with an elbow to the face & shattered his jaw in 6 place? Roenick was out for the rest of the game, but came back the next night with the birdcage helmet and played the rest of the series. I’ve been a fan of his ever since.

I’ll miss you Jeremy.

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
3:24 pm

ranallo10 (in AT), I am confused by your replies.

“If allowing corporate sponsors a tiny piece of uniform gave struggling markets like Atlanta, Nashville, Florida, Phoenix, etc, a chance to compete monetarily with the big dogs, why not allow it? A salary cap limits spending, but allowing sponsorships provides added revenue for teams who struggle at the gate, filling the corporate suites, etc., which ultimately allows for salary parity across the league.

This made me think you are for these ads as it will help close the gap between high end and low end teams.

“Until the link between salary cap and revenue gets broken the highend teams will gain from an increase in ad revenue generated.”

This now makes me think you are against it. Which is it?

Pam on Weck

August 5th, 2009
3:26 pm

They can feed me all the logos they want on the free promotional items (i.e. Hair Cuttery mullet wig, Nuvox team flag). However, if I have to pay for the merch, it better be clean.

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
3:29 pm

Ultimately I think that there is a line that won’t be crossed, even though we keep getting closer and closer to it. I brought up the Memphis Express example earlier that may be done by a league like the MLS, but not the big 4. I also think back to the Spiderman bases fiasco. These ads on jerseys crosses the line, but we will continue to see other ways exposed.

Pop quiz – what was the first stadium/arena to have it’s name sold to an outside company? Wrigley was a company but the Wrigley family owned it so that doesn’t count.

fes

August 5th, 2009
3:38 pm

EOB: Busch stadium

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
3:40 pm

fes, the Anheuser Busch family owned the Cardinals when they did that, so that was not technically an “outside company” but like my Wrigley example.

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
3:44 pm

EOB — I can understand (and state) both sides of an argument and not be “for” or “against” it. That’s the beauty (and complexity) of having an opinion…I’m “for” Atlanta and other struggling markets having almost every opportunity afforded to them in order to remain afloat without having to move their franchise to another city. I’m “against” the uniforms in the European leagues because the purist in me despises seeing a uniform littered with a plethora of advertisements.

If someone gave me the choice between the Atlanta Red Bulls or the Kitchener Thrashers, I’d pick Red Bulls immediately.

Rawhide — I find it interesting your statement about the MLS Red Bulls because one thing I appreciate about the Red Bulls invasion is that their franchise shows only ONE advertisement. The Red Bulls Salzburg (Austrian hockey and soccer teams) is only one advertisement, Red Bulls. When compared to the logo plastered teams, that one advertisement is definitely much more pleasing on the eyes.

If the Austrian teams could afford to field a competitive team WITHOUT the need for advertisements, they would do it. If an NHL team cannot field a competitive team without advertisements, it should be within their rights to at least broach the subject of selling logo space on their uniforms.

The purist in me wants it to stay within reason, so as not to make it appear as if the NHL is whoring itself out for the almighty dollar.

Rawhide

August 5th, 2009
3:44 pm

EOB – My guess would be the Great Western Forum in L.A.

ranallo – Like I said, I really would have no issue with a small patch…I just would hate to see the entire front sold out to corporate sponsorship. As for the Red Bulls…I get your point, but I’m still not too keen on a team being bought by a company and changing their names as such. I know stadiums and arena do such…but that’s where I draw the line.

I also have an issue with Chick-Fil-A renaming the “Peach Bowl” the “Chick-Fil-A Bowl”….but that’s a whole other issue entirely.

Five_Hole – J.R. will be missed…on the ice and for his quotes.

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
3:53 pm

ranallo10 (in AT), I am not saying you are for or against the revenue idea, I don’t know if you think it will help low market teams or hurt low market teams. In one sense you said the ads will help low end teams compete, then you said any new ads will only help high end teams (unless there’s a break between revenues and salary cap). So how will these ads help a team like Atlanta if the ads only help high end teams (“Until the link between salary cap and revenue gets broken the highend teams will gain from an increase in ad revenue generated.”)? That’s where I am confused, does it help us or hurt us?

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
3:53 pm

RH — You’re right, there is a line. If that line is crossed I would rather it go the way that Red Bull has brought it and let the entire sponsorship be purchased, as opposed to the piecemeal uniforms you see on the other teams.

But to me one logo, in a relatively non-obtrusive location, is within reason. Center mass is obtrusive, but I would say shoulder or pant leg isn’t too annoying.

GaVaHokie

August 5th, 2009
3:57 pm

Excellent question EOB… was it Rich Products?

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
4:05 pm

EOB — That was my attempt at conceeding the downside to my first statement. I know there is a weakness in the current CBA which would make any form of revenue generated by a low market team “hurt” them in the scheme of things (i.e., increased league revenue = increased salary cap).

I don’t know enough about the specifics in the CBA to explain it thoroughly, but basically I see the “catch” being that if Atlanta raises their revenue too high, they lose out on a large chunk of revenue sharing dollars. If they raise it beyond the mid market level, their revenue is positively impacting the league revenue bottom line, which is where the revenue sharing numbers come from (overall revenue across the board). If Atlanta’s increased revenue also increases the leagues, the cap gets raise, and Atlanta is then possibly placed back into the “low income” bracket of teams as they stand currently.

I’m not sure exactly if it will help or hurt the team, but as I said before if it comes down to moving the team or taking on advertisements (assuming the team cannot afford to do otherwise), I would live with the advertisements to keep the team in Atlanta. Clearly the New York Red Bulls agree.

five_hole — I understand your opinion, but how does that explain the New Jersey Devil’s of the league? The win consistently but yet cannot sellout. Likewise the Toronto Maple Leafs never seem to win, but always seem to sellout. The biggest obstacle I see in your opinion is “consistently win”, because there is no proof that Atlanta can do so without more money in their coffers. I would say in a market like Atlanta’s, you need winning to sustain a team…however, you need money to sustain the ability to build a consistent winner. Thus, there needs to be an infusion of money before the team can get to the point of self-sustainability.

Right now there are no money bags on the horizon for this franchise…what happens if the money never arrives to build the team to a sustained competitive level?

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
4:06 pm

GaVaHokie got it, although knowing there are some Buffalo guys here might have helped him. The Patriots actually had one in place at the same time but it didn’t go through all the way. In the early 70’s, Rich Products bought a 25 year lease for Rich Stadium’s name in Buffalo, now known as Ralph Wilson Stadium since the lease expired. I think they paid around a million $$ for the whole 25 years. That won’t get you 1 year’s worth for a stadium today.

The Earl of Bud

August 5th, 2009
4:11 pm

ranallo10 (in AT), got it now. I’ve got a database running, always some excel worksheets going and lotus in addition to having these hockey blogs open, so sometimes I get a little confused. I definitely don’t think they will cross that line though, but if need be then I will bite the bullet.

GaVaHokie

August 5th, 2009
4:29 pm

EOB… I cheated. :) But I found it one my own… that was a tough one to research. I learned a lot along the way.

Like the Patriots stadium issue… that was supposed to be Schaefer Beer, but it got dropped for “family value” issues.

five_hole

August 5th, 2009
4:31 pm

ranallo10 (in AT) It does seem to be a “Catch-22″. And yet teams do manage to develop winning trends and change their fortunes. And New Jersey and Toronto not withstanding, I maintain that the traditional methods of getting revenue work, and “outside” revenue would not be diverted to things like increasing team payrolls.

Bruce Levenson

August 5th, 2009
4:42 pm

We need more liquor company sponsors.

Their motto could be “We’re on our way to drinking out of the Stanley Cup.”

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
4:58 pm

five_hole — My point about New Jersey and Toronto is that though they are outliers, there is no “normal” market one can point to as a model for success. Most NHL hockey teams either have a history of winning, tradition, or simply luxury of location that feed their fans the passion to go to games. Atlanta has basically none of those (arguably they have tradition, though it’s not pushed by the current regime). There is no coincidence that the non-traditional markets like Phoenix, Atlanta, and Florida are struggling to make money, while the markets swimming in tradition have little problems if any (the only exceptions I can think of are Pittsburgh and Buffalo).

To get Atlanta fans to come to games the team must win, and win often. To get the team to win the ownership needs to commit themselves to fielding a competitive team. They (owners) don’t need to spend max cap, but they need to spend more than 28/30 for the duration of the season in order to feign interest in fielding a competitive team. Then they could also prove their interest by holding many of the original crew accountable for the continued failures.

But in the end, I feel this team needs more money in order to build a successful team that will drive the team to consistent sellouts and higher season ticket sales.

The turnover rate in the ASG’s sales department shows me they know nothing about what they’re doing wrong, and truly think a different sales pitch will draw more fans.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to diverty the topic to the ASG. My whole point is that if the ASG (or another NHL ownership situation) cannot afford to field a competitive franchise, they should be allowed to look for more advertising space if it will bring in more revenue and be spent properly to improve the franchise (not necessarily bigger player salaries, but allowing for better scouts, coaches, facilities, marketing, etc).

ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
4:59 pm

I need to proofread more often…what does “diverty” mean?

Bruce Levenson

August 5th, 2009
5:10 pm

diverty, ranallo10 has been drinking with me.

Pam on Weck

August 5th, 2009
5:35 pm

A bank sponsor could advertise a penalty-free checking account.

Pam on Weck

August 5th, 2009
5:49 pm

EOB – Funny. I didn’t even know Rich Stadium was named for Rich Products. And I marched the halftime show there twice with my high school band!

ThrasherFan

August 5th, 2009
5:49 pm

America isn’t suited for logos on Jersey’s yet. In Soccer it works because it’s been done for so long. I can’t imagine a soccer jersey without a sponsorship tag on it. It’s a way to generate revenue for the teams around the world.

I will also say that European and world ticket prices for soccer games are NOWHERE near what we pay in this country for a sporting event. You can get into a match for 15 dollars in most places and part of that is because of the shirt sponsor.

I can hardly afford a set of tix to a hockey game so if they want to advertise and bring down that cost, do it!

rightshot

August 5th, 2009
5:51 pm

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ranallo10 (in AT)

August 5th, 2009
6:08 pm

Hmmm, I’m suddenly finding myself thirsty, hungry, and in the mood to fly somewhere to do some house work…how strange.