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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/iceman-thrashers-blog/2009/07/29/zamboni-drives-into-us-hhof/comment-page-2/#comment-7845</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good snooping, Jameson.  I thought it was prohibited.  Now, I am fairly sure that a team, like right now, can be OVER the limit, but only because the season hasn&#039;t started yet.  Teams over the limit must get under $56.8 million, by the official start of the season.  Or, that is my belief.  For example, right now, the NHL wouldn&#039;t reject a contract that exceeds the upper limit of the cap ... because the season hasn&#039;t started yet.  But if the team couldn&#039;t trade away enough salary to get under the upper limit, then what?  The &#039;offending contract&#039; had already been approved, and allowed, because the season hadn&#039;t started yet.  In that situation, I&#039;m thinking there has to be some kind of punishment.  And &#039;severe&#039; at that.  Or, at least &#039;severe enough&#039; that few, if any teams would even try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good snooping, Jameson.  I thought it was prohibited.  Now, I am fairly sure that a team, like right now, can be OVER the limit, but only because the season hasn&#8217;t started yet.  Teams over the limit must get under $56.8 million, by the official start of the season.  Or, that is my belief.  For example, right now, the NHL wouldn&#8217;t reject a contract that exceeds the upper limit of the cap &#8230; because the season hasn&#8217;t started yet.  But if the team couldn&#8217;t trade away enough salary to get under the upper limit, then what?  The &#8216;offending contract&#8217; had already been approved, and allowed, because the season hadn&#8217;t started yet.  In that situation, I&#8217;m thinking there has to be some kind of punishment.  And &#8217;severe&#8217; at that.  Or, at least &#8217;severe enough&#8217; that few, if any teams would even try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, upon reading that, again, I think if a team even tries to file a contract that would put them over the limit, they owe the league at least $25,000, and would still expect the contract to be rejected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, upon reading that, again, I think if a team even tries to file a contract that would put them over the limit, they owe the league at least $25,000, and would still expect the contract to be rejected.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s followed by a lengthy explanation of the NHLPA&#039;s appeal process, which makes me think that it&#039;s possible a club could manage to get away with doing it, and only paying the minimum fine.  What I do like about this paragraph, though, is that it seems to me that a team could be fined for just trying to go above the limit:
26.9 Violative Filings. Any Club which files an SPC, which if approved and
registered, would cause the Club&#039;s Averaged Club Salary to impermissibly exceed the
Upper Limit of the Range, shall be fined a minimum of $25,000, regardless of whether
the SPC was registered and regardless of whether the terms of the SPC constitute or are
the result of a Circumvention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it&#8217;s followed by a lengthy explanation of the NHLPA&#8217;s appeal process, which makes me think that it&#8217;s possible a club could manage to get away with doing it, and only paying the minimum fine.  What I do like about this paragraph, though, is that it seems to me that a team could be fined for just trying to go above the limit:<br />
26.9 Violative Filings. Any Club which files an SPC, which if approved and<br />
registered, would cause the Club&#8217;s Averaged Club Salary to impermissibly exceed the<br />
Upper Limit of the Range, shall be fined a minimum of $25,000, regardless of whether<br />
the SPC was registered and regardless of whether the terms of the SPC constitute or are<br />
the result of a Circumvention.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the important part:
If an SPC or an Offer Sheet is rejected: (A) because it results in
the signing Club exceeding the Upper Limit, or (B) because it does
not comply with the Maximum Player Salary or (C) because it is or
involves a Circumvention of either the Club&#039;s Upper Limit or the
Maximum Player Salary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the important part:<br />
If an SPC or an Offer Sheet is rejected: (A) because it results in<br />
the signing Club exceeding the Upper Limit, or (B) because it does<br />
not comply with the Maximum Player Salary or (C) because it is or<br />
involves a Circumvention of either the Club&#8217;s Upper Limit or the<br />
Maximum Player Salary</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Brendan-&lt;/strong&gt; If I&#039;m reading this correctly, according to section 11.6 the NHL can actually reject player contracts if it puts a team over the cap, so the league can actually prevent a team from being over the cap, period.  That is, if I&#039;m reading it right.  I&#039;m no lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Brendan-</strong> If I&#8217;m reading this correctly, according to section 11.6 the NHL can actually reject player contracts if it puts a team over the cap, so the league can actually prevent a team from being over the cap, period.  That is, if I&#8217;m reading it right.  I&#8217;m no lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jameson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If cost was no object, and all I had to do to be any amount over the cap was to give away one year worth of crap picks, I might just have a roster full of players paid $11.36 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If cost was no object, and all I had to do to be any amount over the cap was to give away one year worth of crap picks, I might just have a roster full of players paid $11.36 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking for a CBA specialist out there, who can answer this question, which I recently received.  &quot;What&#039;s the penalty for being OVER the cap on &quot;Opening Night?&quot;   My answer was, that it was my understanding that all teams HAD to be under the cap, once the season started, and throughout the ENTIRETY of the season.  Period, the end.  He counter-argued, &quot;No, no they don&#039;t.  They can pay a fine, or forfeit some draft picks.  But if a team really WANTED to be at $90 million, nobody could stop them.&quot;  And then he cited Jim Balsillie as a likely candidate to do precisely this, if ever awarded an NHL franchise.

Anyone got the CORRECT answer?  I&#039;m hoping that the answer is something along the lines of this, &quot;You could, but the punishment is so severe, that no one, not even Balsillie, would try it.&quot;  Putting on my &quot;armchair GM hat,&quot; If I found out that, by being over the cap, I&#039;d have to forfeit all of my next year&#039;s draft picks ... I&#039;d be very discouraged from being over the cap limit.  And if I found out I&#039;d be losing multiple years&#039; worth of draft picks, I&#039;d never even consider it.  

But I do have to throw this out there.  What if you were George Steinbrenner?   And you wanted to own a powerhouse franchise.  And you were willing to pay whatever the cost was for being over the cap limit.  With the idea in your brain that ... well gee, if my $90 million roster doesn&#039;t win the Stanley Cup every year, but gets close, I&#039;m only giving up picks #29, #59, #89, #119, etc.  In other words, &#039;crapshoot&#039; to &#039;shot-in-the-dark&#039; type picks, anyway.  To land decent players, from those draft positions, you do have to have EXCELLENT scouting. Really, truly.  Isn&#039;t this what a George Steinbrenner / Jim Ballsillie-type owner might try, if cost were no object??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking for a CBA specialist out there, who can answer this question, which I recently received.  &#8220;What&#8217;s the penalty for being OVER the cap on &#8220;Opening Night?&#8221;   My answer was, that it was my understanding that all teams HAD to be under the cap, once the season started, and throughout the ENTIRETY of the season.  Period, the end.  He counter-argued, &#8220;No, no they don&#8217;t.  They can pay a fine, or forfeit some draft picks.  But if a team really WANTED to be at $90 million, nobody could stop them.&#8221;  And then he cited Jim Balsillie as a likely candidate to do precisely this, if ever awarded an NHL franchise.</p>
<p>Anyone got the CORRECT answer?  I&#8217;m hoping that the answer is something along the lines of this, &#8220;You could, but the punishment is so severe, that no one, not even Balsillie, would try it.&#8221;  Putting on my &#8220;armchair GM hat,&#8221; If I found out that, by being over the cap, I&#8217;d have to forfeit all of my next year&#8217;s draft picks &#8230; I&#8217;d be very discouraged from being over the cap limit.  And if I found out I&#8217;d be losing multiple years&#8217; worth of draft picks, I&#8217;d never even consider it.  </p>
<p>But I do have to throw this out there.  What if you were George Steinbrenner?   And you wanted to own a powerhouse franchise.  And you were willing to pay whatever the cost was for being over the cap limit.  With the idea in your brain that &#8230; well gee, if my $90 million roster doesn&#8217;t win the Stanley Cup every year, but gets close, I&#8217;m only giving up picks #29, #59, #89, #119, etc.  In other words, &#8216;crapshoot&#8217; to &#8217;shot-in-the-dark&#8217; type picks, anyway.  To land decent players, from those draft positions, you do have to have EXCELLENT scouting. Really, truly.  Isn&#8217;t this what a George Steinbrenner / Jim Ballsillie-type owner might try, if cost were no object??</p>
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		<title>By: World Be Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>World Be Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Brendan, great explanation.  Bettman seems to have the power to intervene on franchise movements, but little power to intervene on player contracts.  Or if he has the power, he does not use it too often.  I thought the DiPietro contract was the dunbest thing I ever heard.  But it was coming from the Islanders, so it made alotta sense?!?!

I believe as you do, that the subject of long term contracts will be a part of the next collective bargaining agreement.  The union should not care, since the player is getting what they want-a long term commitment.  

Reckless contracts-I am trying to remember that Hawks&#039; center who was paid for years after he retired-Rasmussen was it?  Reckless and stupid contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Brendan, great explanation.  Bettman seems to have the power to intervene on franchise movements, but little power to intervene on player contracts.  Or if he has the power, he does not use it too often.  I thought the DiPietro contract was the dunbest thing I ever heard.  But it was coming from the Islanders, so it made alotta sense?!?!</p>
<p>I believe as you do, that the subject of long term contracts will be a part of the next collective bargaining agreement.  The union should not care, since the player is getting what they want-a long term commitment.  </p>
<p>Reckless contracts-I am trying to remember that Hawks&#8217; center who was paid for years after he retired-Rasmussen was it?  Reckless and stupid contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R.Stroz, I had thought that certain elements or aspects of the Patriot Act had expired or been eliminated, except as it relates to obvious and overt instances of terrorism, or narcoterrorism, or money laundering in furtherance of terrorism.  I really should brush up on it!  That &quot;fine print&quot; clause of the Cash for Clunkers is shocking.

World Be Free, I want to give a hypothetical example of what &#039;the problem&#039; is with these longer term deals, as currently structured by this CBA.  Let&#039;s just say... for spits and giggles, Kovalchuk and his agent, Jay Grossman, have made it abundantly clear that they will not sign ANYWHERE for less than a $100 million deal.   This is hypothetical.  Everyone can stop hyperventillating now.  Still with me?  Okay, the obvious choice might be 10-years at $10 million, for a (say it with me) cap hit of $10 million.  That&#039;s one way to get to $100 million.  Here&#039;s another.  Kovy&#039;s 26, roughly.  What the heyyy, let&#039;s demonstrate absurdity by being absurd!  Atlanta&#039;s offer is 20 years for a total of $100 million.  Well, the &quot;new&quot; Cap Hit is $5 million-per-season.  

Allright.  Shrugging sarcastically.  Anybody got a problem with a new Kovy deal at a cap hit of $5 million??   That pays him until he&#039;s 46!  Somewhere, Chris Chelios is smiling.   Or laughing.  Charles Wang, the disgruntled owner of the NY Islanders, inked goalie Rick DiPietro to a 15 year deal that pays the netminder until he&#039;s 40.  That contract made us all laugh heartily when it was announced.  Commissioner Bettman&#039;s reaction, at the time, was to say ... &quot;No one knows the wisdom of making such deals.  Time will tell.  But it&#039;s not prohibited.&quot;  And Bettman urged the use of caution when making contracts of this size and scope.   Islanders fans argued that $4.5 million cap hit, for DiPietro, was a good deal.  Many bloggers here counter-argued, &quot;And he&#039;ll have $4.5 million reasons to ride the pine or sit up in the pressbox, being the highest paid spectator in the building&quot; at the tail end of his career.  

As a proponent of protecting the smaller markets, I&#039;m opposed to &quot;front loading&quot; contracts.  If the Blackhawks were actually going to pay Hossa $5.23 million for each and every season ... until he&#039;s 42, I&#039;m fine with that.  They&#039;d be saving money up front, but paying through the nose at the end, and be STUCK with it, too.  And when Hossa turns 40, making $5.23 million, under my scenario, fans will question why Chicago ever made this deal.  He won&#039;t be worth that kind of money.  Probably.

Ladies and Gentlemen, GM&#039;s &lt;strong&gt; ARE RESPONSIBLE&lt;/strong&gt; for oversight and direction of the team they manage.  That&#039;s it.  Some GM&#039;s are good at what they do, planning properly for the future, drafting well, trading well and responsibly.  Others, not so much.  A reckless contract can ruin a team for YEARS.  Who made the contract?  Was there ever a GUN involved in the negotiations?  Allright then.  I think Commissioner Bettman could have interceded in some capacity to challenge the Rick DiPietro contract.  Ohhh, maybe he couldn&#039;t have negated it, but he could have at least tabled an emergency panel to review and discuss it, to make sure future contracts would have &quot;pronounced warning flags&quot; all over them, discouraging GM&#039;s from reckless contract-making.   Bygones.  This CBA expires in 2011.  Maybe that very topic will be addressed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.Stroz, I had thought that certain elements or aspects of the Patriot Act had expired or been eliminated, except as it relates to obvious and overt instances of terrorism, or narcoterrorism, or money laundering in furtherance of terrorism.  I really should brush up on it!  That &#8220;fine print&#8221; clause of the Cash for Clunkers is shocking.</p>
<p>World Be Free, I want to give a hypothetical example of what &#8216;the problem&#8217; is with these longer term deals, as currently structured by this CBA.  Let&#8217;s just say&#8230; for spits and giggles, Kovalchuk and his agent, Jay Grossman, have made it abundantly clear that they will not sign ANYWHERE for less than a $100 million deal.   This is hypothetical.  Everyone can stop hyperventillating now.  Still with me?  Okay, the obvious choice might be 10-years at $10 million, for a (say it with me) cap hit of $10 million.  That&#8217;s one way to get to $100 million.  Here&#8217;s another.  Kovy&#8217;s 26, roughly.  What the heyyy, let&#8217;s demonstrate absurdity by being absurd!  Atlanta&#8217;s offer is 20 years for a total of $100 million.  Well, the &#8220;new&#8221; Cap Hit is $5 million-per-season.  </p>
<p>Allright.  Shrugging sarcastically.  Anybody got a problem with a new Kovy deal at a cap hit of $5 million??   That pays him until he&#8217;s 46!  Somewhere, Chris Chelios is smiling.   Or laughing.  Charles Wang, the disgruntled owner of the NY Islanders, inked goalie Rick DiPietro to a 15 year deal that pays the netminder until he&#8217;s 40.  That contract made us all laugh heartily when it was announced.  Commissioner Bettman&#8217;s reaction, at the time, was to say &#8230; &#8220;No one knows the wisdom of making such deals.  Time will tell.  But it&#8217;s not prohibited.&#8221;  And Bettman urged the use of caution when making contracts of this size and scope.   Islanders fans argued that $4.5 million cap hit, for DiPietro, was a good deal.  Many bloggers here counter-argued, &#8220;And he&#8217;ll have $4.5 million reasons to ride the pine or sit up in the pressbox, being the highest paid spectator in the building&#8221; at the tail end of his career.  </p>
<p>As a proponent of protecting the smaller markets, I&#8217;m opposed to &#8220;front loading&#8221; contracts.  If the Blackhawks were actually going to pay Hossa $5.23 million for each and every season &#8230; until he&#8217;s 42, I&#8217;m fine with that.  They&#8217;d be saving money up front, but paying through the nose at the end, and be STUCK with it, too.  And when Hossa turns 40, making $5.23 million, under my scenario, fans will question why Chicago ever made this deal.  He won&#8217;t be worth that kind of money.  Probably.</p>
<p>Ladies and Gentlemen, GM&#8217;s <strong> ARE RESPONSIBLE</strong> for oversight and direction of the team they manage.  That&#8217;s it.  Some GM&#8217;s are good at what they do, planning properly for the future, drafting well, trading well and responsibly.  Others, not so much.  A reckless contract can ruin a team for YEARS.  Who made the contract?  Was there ever a GUN involved in the negotiations?  Allright then.  I think Commissioner Bettman could have interceded in some capacity to challenge the Rick DiPietro contract.  Ohhh, maybe he couldn&#8217;t have negated it, but he could have at least tabled an emergency panel to review and discuss it, to make sure future contracts would have &#8220;pronounced warning flags&#8221; all over them, discouraging GM&#8217;s from reckless contract-making.   Bygones.  This CBA expires in 2011.  Maybe that very topic will be addressed?</p>
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		<title>By: World Be Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>World Be Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Red Light, I think we all played in a number of those &quot;semi--open&quot; indoor arenas, cold as heck.

There&#039;s a rink in Ft. Erie, Ontario that we all knew as &quot;The Barn&quot;.  It basically was a barn with an ice surface; not certain if the place is still there.  

Better yet, we had the rink in Cazenovia Park in South Buffalo with no glass, just fencing or &quot;chicken wire&quot; in the corners and end zones.  Great to get your face rammed in that stuff!  I never played HS hockey there, but I remember someone telling me that they were once spat on during a high school game by the opposing fans from a &quot;prep&quot; school.  

Rinks do have unique sounds-you know you can get on the ice when you hear the Zamboni doors close and the sound of skates hitting a fresh ice surface.

Hockey is not for the weak, that&#039;s for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Red Light, I think we all played in a number of those &#8220;semi&#8211;open&#8221; indoor arenas, cold as heck.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a rink in Ft. Erie, Ontario that we all knew as &#8220;The Barn&#8221;.  It basically was a barn with an ice surface; not certain if the place is still there.  </p>
<p>Better yet, we had the rink in Cazenovia Park in South Buffalo with no glass, just fencing or &#8220;chicken wire&#8221; in the corners and end zones.  Great to get your face rammed in that stuff!  I never played HS hockey there, but I remember someone telling me that they were once spat on during a high school game by the opposing fans from a &#8220;prep&#8221; school.  </p>
<p>Rinks do have unique sounds-you know you can get on the ice when you hear the Zamboni doors close and the sound of skates hitting a fresh ice surface.</p>
<p>Hockey is not for the weak, that&#8217;s for sure!</p>
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