Thrashers 2009 Preseason Schedule

The 2009 Thrashers Preseason schedule has been announced. There will be a total of six preseason games…three home and three away…as well as a pair of prospect games. The Preseason home games will be at Philips Arena, the prospect games will be held at the Duluth Ice Forum.

Preseason Schedule
Thursday Sept. 17 @ Nashville Predators 8:00 pm eastern
Friday Sept 18 @ Tampa Bay Lightning 7:30 pm eastern
Monday September 21 vs. Carolina Hurricanes 7:00 pm eastern
Wednesday September 23 vs. Nashville Predators 7:00 pm eastern

Friday September 25 @ Carolina Hurricanes 7:00 pm eastern
Sunday September 27 vs. Tampa Bay Lightning 5:00 pm eastern

Prospect Games
Monday       September 14 vs. Nashville Predators 7:00 pm eastern
Tuesday      September 15 vs. Nashville Predators 1:00 pm eastern

Folks…that means only about ten more weeks before we get to go watch a Thrashers hockey game!!!

XLB on 680 The Fan

Also as a reminder…Garnet Exelby will be John Kincade’s guest on 680 The Fan today at 4:50 pm to say goodbye to the classy fans in Atlanta. Don’t miss your chance to hear this as I’m sure it’ll be great!

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Buzilla in CT

July 6th, 2009
2:19 pm

Buzilla in CT

July 6th, 2009
2:20 pm

Prediction…

Exelby and Boulton fight next year

R. Stroz

July 6th, 2009
2:34 pm

Sara

July 6th, 2009
2:36 pm

Six weeks nothin’…prospect camp is in 4 days and that’s good enough for me. I take whatever hockey fix I can get in July.

theratio

July 6th, 2009
2:37 pm

This may be a stupid question, but ehh whatever..

Does anyone know how much preseason game tickets run? Are they free, discounted, or just like regular season tickets? I’ve never been to one yet!

Thanks in advance!

Buzilla in CT

July 6th, 2009
2:47 pm

it should not be very hard to score free tickets, but I remember them being discounted from the regular season in the past.

To get free ones, call a ticket rep and say that you were thinking about getting season tickets and wanted to check out a game

Rawhide

July 6th, 2009
3:03 pm

theratio – Ticket arrangements for the prospects games are still yet to be determined. However, preseason games are normally regular price…which is ridiculous if you ask me.

However…my contact with the Spirit Group has enquired about doing some sort of a group offer for this blog. Something that’ll make it worthwhile to attend.

Details to come.

Glovesave29

July 6th, 2009
3:09 pm

Stroz – didya see who else signed with the Avs? Its a regular AHL all star team (including former Gladiator favorite Chris Durno). Its gonna be a looooong year in Denver. No way in h**l “the Monster” signs with them. Avs goalies are in for 40 SOG against this season. Who’s the big stud at the 2010 draft that they must be gunning for?

Glovesave29

July 6th, 2009
3:22 pm

Damn – the Leafs just got Beauchemin – 3 years / $10M

J(Z)

July 6th, 2009
3:52 pm

Who comes up with these preseason schedules? Kinda lame that we play any divisional opponents at all. And to play TB & CAR twice doesn’t seem like a good idea. And also not cool to have a Tuesday 1pm prospect game!!!

Alan

July 6th, 2009
3:53 pm

Kovalev signs with Ottawa.

Riceowls8891

July 6th, 2009
3:55 pm

Someone looking to save travel time and money? Are these not the closest teams?

Bogotown

July 6th, 2009
4:05 pm

Per Andy Strickland…Contract Negotiations with Kovy has started!

Zoomo

July 6th, 2009
4:46 pm

>>>However…my contact with the Spirit Group has enquired about doing >>>some sort of a group offer for this blog. Something that’ll make it >>>worthwhile to attend.

Open bar at Taco Mac before the game?

LAC

July 6th, 2009
5:25 pm

Found this interesting bit on the NHL site under Carolina…
The LOWEST score one team can get is 122, for Worst… We do ok until
“ownership” where we are 120 of 122, just more evidence these sprit clowns need to exit the sports business because they have ZERO clue as to how to run asports business, and not giving a damn about winning !

The Mag: Ultimate Standings 2009
Welcome to ESPN The Magazine’s seventh annual Ultimate Standings, in which we measure how much MLB, NBA, NFL and NHL franchises give back to the fans in exchange for all the time, money and emotion the fans invest in them.

Perennial Top-10 finisher the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim grabbed the top spot this year for the first time, thanks to their array of affordable tickets, strong coaching and likable players. Curiously, their neighbors just up the road on I-5, the Los Angeles Clippers, are on the opposite end of the rankings, coming in dead last at No. 122.

The eight major categories that make up the Ultimate Standings were created based on feedback from fans about what they want most from their favorite teams (click here for a more detailed account of the method to our madness.) The categories:

Bang For The Buck (BNG): Wins during the past three years (regular season plus postseason) per revenues directly from fans, adjusted for league schedules.

Fan Relations (FRL): Openness and consideration toward fans by players, coaches and management.

Ownership (OWN): Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community.

Affordability (AFF): Price of tickets, parking and concessions.

Stadium Experience (STX): Quality of arena and game-day promotions as well as friendliness of environment.

Players (PLA): Effort on the field and likability off it.

Coaching (CCH): Strength of on-field leadership.

Title Track (TTR): Championships already won or expected in the lifetime of current fans

TEAM RNK BNG FRL OWN AFF STX PLA CCH TTR
108. Atlanta Thrashers 108 94 98 120 91 85 99 81 114

Tom Lysiak

July 6th, 2009
5:49 pm

Rawhide, isn’t that about 10 weeks until they drop the puck? Not trying to call you out here. Just helping with mob control….

R. Stroz

July 6th, 2009
6:11 pm

Glovesave29 – It looks like the Avs and Maple Leafs are preparing for major tank jobs. The Avs are working on an AHL team with Matt Duchene being the centerpiece. Brian Burke has watched Slap Shot too many times as he continues to build a goon squad.

Alan

July 6th, 2009
6:17 pm

The NHLPA has filed an official grievance in regards to the Chicago Blackhawks RFAs.

Alan

July 6th, 2009
6:19 pm

Stroz, I just want to know… will Kaberle be benched for refusing to fight? ;)

R. Stroz

July 6th, 2009
6:22 pm

R. Stroz

July 6th, 2009
6:23 pm

Alan – Kaberle has already told Burke he will strip on the ice if the Leafs “goon it up.” No wonder Burke is trying to trade him.

Glovesave29

July 6th, 2009
6:36 pm

Until the Leafs signed Beauchamin, i’d say Burke was watching Slap Shot 2 or 3!

World Be Free

July 6th, 2009
6:39 pm

Toronto will be better this year, that’s for sure.

Glovesave29

July 6th, 2009
6:41 pm

Not sure if Toronto will be better…they’ll be more penalized! Allaire has his work cut out for him.

Jameson

July 6th, 2009
7:54 pm

One thing that concerns me about Armstrong opting for arbitration is that it could be a sign he wants out of here. If my thinking is correct, and he goes through arbitration, and gets that one year deal that will be required at that point, seeing as how he will be 27 by the end of the season, wouldn’t that bring him to UFA status?

Chris

July 6th, 2009
8:29 pm

LAC–The Falcons were in the lower rungs of those same rankings last year. This year? They jumped higher than any team in those same rankings. There’s some validity to this stuff, but it’d be interesting to see how many fans from all the teams responded, as well as some average scores to their questions from everybody who responded. If only a small number of people respond, that’s not a very accurate representation of a fan base. Why’d the Falcons do so well? We had little to no expectation of success, and we went 11-5. Obviously there’s a lot of love for anything and everything that has to do with that organization.

The Blues were in the top 10 of that list and hadn’t been a perennial contender until recently. Just goes to show how much winning can change things.

And this is some ESPN “there’s nothing on in the summer so we have to make stuff up to fill airtime” material. Plain and simple.

Let’s see how your stupid survey looks next year.

Rawhide

July 6th, 2009
8:51 pm

Tom Lysiak – Yeah…about ten weeks or so. That’s just be getting all excited and trying to get the season here even quicker. Thanks….

Alan

July 6th, 2009
8:57 pm

Stroz, but does Ron Wilson think Kaberle’s wife is “a heck of a gal?” I think that’s the question that is on everyone’s mind right now.

Hanson Brothers

July 6th, 2009
9:23 pm

**The Ratio** – Pre-season tickets do cost the same as regular season, but if you have season tickets you can exchange them for any regular season game, which is a good way to get around the ridiculous notion that they charge full price for pre-season games.

GTthrashfan

July 6th, 2009
9:23 pm

According to SI.com we’ve re-acquired Kwiatkowski and Krog, probably in minor league deals if I had to guess. It was in the same Thrashers announcement as the 2 AHL goalies we signed that’s looking like preparation for a goalie trade.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hockey/nhl/07/06/thrashers.moves.ap/index.html

World Be Free

July 6th, 2009
9:29 pm

Note to Thrasher Management-

Please sign veteran NHL players for depth. Do not sign any more never-was, NHL want a be players for depth. Injuries happen and we need depth. Travis Moen played for less than $1M last year and he doesn’t have a job.

If these keps up, pretty soon I am going to take off my shoes and bang them on the table like Nikita Khrushchev!

FYI-Ottawa overpaid Kovalev at $5M.

Alan

July 6th, 2009
9:44 pm

Barker just re-signed in Chicago. 3yr/$9.25m

Rogie

July 6th, 2009
10:56 pm

Kwiatkowski and Krog both played in Chicago under Anderson won a Calder Cup if memory serves me right. They may blend in better with the Thrashers now then they did in past stints. It’s certainly worth giving them a shot at jobs. As for those who are questioning Pavs value, you have a good point but remember that the jury was out on Olaf Kolzig for his first 3 or 4 pro seasons. He had 2 or 3 stints with the Caps where he seemed overmatched, out of position, and just overwhelmed. His GAA was about 6 and some change each of those stints I think. Hedberg needs to stay here. His role is clearly one of a backup goalie and he is as good as any goalie in the league at that role. His career may only have a few years left and I’d hope that his professionalism and work ethic rub off on some of his teammates and that someday he’s invited to coaching or management. It’s a gamble, but the best trade value of the three, if you’re looking for a decent player in return, is Lehtonen. At this point, I’d hold onto him into the season until some team has an injury or finds themselves with an unexpected sieve for a netminder.

Nikita

July 6th, 2009
11:19 pm

Rogie, you’re correct. Kwiatkowski played a huge role in securing that Cup.

Brendan

July 7th, 2009
12:00 am

Maybe Ottawa signed Kovalev because they’re going to trade Heatley for a defenseman? Someone has to try to replace Heater’s numbers. And in Ottawa, he’ll surely get the chance to rub it in Montreal’s face enough times during the season.

Brendan

July 7th, 2009
12:01 am

R. Stroz, let’s try for Versteeg.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
3:19 am

I don’t understand how Barker is allowed to be re-signed. For arguments sake, let’s assume the grievance filed by the NHLPA is upheld and all players become UFAs, wouldn’t that then mean that as of July 1st ALL of those players should have been able to field calls from every single team? By signing Barker before the grievance has begun the Blackhawks are using their extended exclusive negotiating rights that they shouldn’t be allowed.

In my opinion that Barker contract should be void because he’s a UFA, yet all other 29 teams are forced to wait until the grievance has been accepted/rejected and a hearing held.

Regardless, I assume that the “Old Boys Club” will allow for Chicago to re-sign most of their players, and only one or two will be lost due to cap restraints.

World Be Free

July 7th, 2009
5:57 am

Kwiatkowski and Krog are still both minor leaguers. This isn’t the kind of depth we need.

Sara

July 7th, 2009
7:30 am

ranallo it takes two to tango. Barker (and his agent) were well aware of the circumstances. He could have waited for the grievance to go through and see what other offers might have been out there. Instead, he made the choice to re-sign with Chicago. Sounds to me like that’s where he wants to be, so what legitimate complaint can anyone have with that?

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
7:54 am

I’m sure Barker and his agent are aware of the circumstances, and I’m sure they want to remain in Chicago…however, to me an argument can be made by the other 29 teams (but likely wont be) that they should technically have been able to negotiate with both player and agent alike up to this point in time. Any GM can argue that Chicago has had exclusive negotiating rights with a UFA for 6 days. If the grievance finds that Chicago broke no rules and the players are RFA, then it’s a moot argument…but if they find that the players should have been UFAs on July 1, I feel the contract should be nullified.

If they’re fully aware of the circumstances why can’t they wait until the grievance process is completed before they sign a contract with the team? Signing today or after the expedited hearing takes place (if necessary) shouldn’t matter for them…so why rush it unless Chicago is truly worried about losing the player?

Speaking of breaking the rules, did you notice that a pre-July 1st Ron Wilson comment about the Sedins (naming them as potential free agent targets for Toronto) has Toronto under investigation for tampering? Tampering is very nit-picky and Vancouver didn’t file the complaint, but in my opinion the rules are there and are not to be violated…thus whatever punishment they receive (again, likely wont be anything) is fitting.

Sara

July 7th, 2009
8:35 am

There’s also question that Tampa violated tampering rules with Ohlund – he sure signed an oddly structured deal really fast.

I just don’t see the big deal with the Barker situation. He chose to sign the contract, it’s not like Chicago forced him. Sure I’m certain they were anxious to get a deal done, but it doesn’t invalidate the fact that Barker made his own choice in this.

Buzilla in CT

July 7th, 2009
8:54 am

Who has more value? Lehts or Pavs

One has shown flashes of brilliance but is injury prone
The other is very green and showed that in the few chances he got

I assume Don/Dudley will listen to offers for both

(I still think Lehts is the real deal and with a new D in front of him, I expect great things….GREAT THINGS…)

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
9:08 am

Ranallo – ask and you shall receive…TSN is reporting that Ron Wilson and the Maple Leafs are being inventigated for tampering in the Sedin case.

Didn’t they just lose a draft pick because of something similar? Think they’d learn!

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
9:09 am

Oh, there’s a great new word – inventigated. I meant INVESTIGATED. Should send the previous gaffe to Colbert.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
9:17 am

“but it doesn’t invalidate the fact that Barker made his own choice”

You’re right it doesn’t, but the contract was not negotiated within the confines of the rules. He and his agent can choose to ignore all 29 other GMs who could come calling, but to restrict those GMs for an extra 6 days is not operating within the rules a UFA player is allowed under the CBA. He was treated as if his RFA status was still valid, which the NHLPA contends it was not.

If the NHLPA and NHL deem he was in fact a UFA due to Chicago’s errors, all other GMs should be afforded 6 days of negotiating time before Chicago can lock this player up to a contract (in my opinion). If Barker and his agent are willing to ignore all other 29 teams then that’s fine, it’s their decision…but at this point in time no team other than Chicago has been allowed the opportunity to discuss contract parameters with a UFA.

Sure, Barker and his agent can sign that contract, but there’s no reason they should be allowed to before the grievance has been resolved. For all intent and purpose Barker, Versteeg, and every other Chicago player included in this grievance should be considered “in limbo” until the process has run it’s course, upon which time their contract status can be clearly defined and teams can behave towards them based on their league defined status.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
9:26 am

“Didn’t they just lose a draft pick because of something similar?”

I can’t recall, do you remember the situation?

“There’s also question that Tampa violated tampering rules with Ohlund”

Interesting, where did you read that?

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
9:35 am

They lost the 27th pick in the 4th round for the Jonas Frogen incedent.

Alan

July 7th, 2009
9:43 am

The prior punishment levied by the league against Toronto resulted from a signing bonus to Jonas Frogren that violated the CBA. More information here.

World Be Free

July 7th, 2009
9:53 am

ASG ponied up for Bibby and the Hawks. Time for them to do the same with Kovy and the other veteran help we need.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
9:59 am

Alan – the fine for just a bonus seems a bit innocent, but in fact, the payment was to be used to buy out the final year of his contract to allow the Leafs to get him before he was available to all teams. They subverted the system, and really should have been fined more and Frogen should have been declared a UFA.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
10:00 am

Toronto got “The Monster” – 1 yr / $900,000.

Sara

July 7th, 2009
10:01 am

ranallo you can read the speculation here: http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/nhlnews/story.html?id=694632eb-30f5-473b-970d-ee869f183785 (sorry, haven’t taken the time to learn the fancy method of embedding links in the text).

There’s some strong bias in that article and he takes pot-shots at non-traditional markets and revenue sharing, which is annoying (typical Canadian media coverage). But the logic on the Ohlund argument is sound. That deal went down pretty darn quick and some of the comments are rather revealing. Whether or not the ‘Nucks or anyone else opts to look into this further remains to be seen. As pointed out – stuff like this goes on all the time – most people just manage to keep it on the down-low.

Alan

July 7th, 2009
10:11 am

glovesave, that’s why I linked to the article. It goes more in-depth behind the reasoning, including as you said, the alleged buyout of his contract in the SEL.

Speaking of Toronto, it is believed that “The Monster” has signed a one year, $900k deal to back up Toskala.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
10:22 am

Ahh, Frogren, I remember that drama.

I’d say that’s a good contract length and amount for Gustavsson. Once he proves his NHL value he will get a better contract via free agency or renegotiation with Toronto.

Regarding Ohlund, it seems like speculation only with no solid evidence to prove tampering. We can all assume something happened before noon for them to get a contract agreed upon within 15 minutes, but unless one can prove it happened it’s mere unfounded speculation and no punishment will be levied upon Tampa Bay.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
10:32 am

Sara – i’d be interested to know if Americans take similar swipes at the Canadian teams as “non traditional” markets in baseball, football, soccer and basketball. I for one could care less that Toronto has warm weather sports in a place it snows 7 months out of the year. It’s just so silly…

Brian Burke

July 7th, 2009
10:35 am

I wasn’t in Sweden to recruit those identical sisters. I want REAL men on my team, goons and monsters. If I need women for my Irish goons, I’ll go to Montreal and take their women.

R. Stroz

July 7th, 2009
10:43 am

The Atlanta Hawks just saved 9 million per season on Bibby’s new contract. His old contract was for 15 million/year and the new one is for 6 million/year.

That should have freed up a little ASG money. Oh look, it already did. Lets see Kubina’s contract added 3 million/year to the Thrashers payroll and Antropov’s contract added 4 million/year to the Thrashers payroll.

The difference of 2 million/year can be allocated to the difference between Jamal Crawford’s contract with the Hawks and the movement of Acie Law and Snail Claxton’s contracts to the Golden State Warriors.

Money is fungible.

Ice Meister

July 7th, 2009
11:28 am

Glovesave, Sara-having grown up in wester New York, I can tell you that the Canadian media sends a consistent flow of negativity of America in general. It does not begin or end with sports teams. Hard to understand when Blue Jays’ games are half empty in the self-proclaimed “10th wonder” known as SkyDome.

Who really gives a damn what Canadians think-Canada is the 51st state anyhow.

Brendan

July 7th, 2009
11:46 am

I was about to ask R. Stroz what he thought of Bibby’s $6 million-per-year deal. I am still hopeful that the Thrashers will learn that #17’s future is at stake, and get that payroll up around $52.5 million. Dreeeeaming. Dreeeeaming. Sigh. Well, Kovalchuk should speak up right now. He’s allegedly, supposedly in negotiations with Waddell. Kovy must state, specifically, what still remains to be done.

I saw that Ron Wilson went on 590 AM radio in Toronto and speculated about the Sedin Twins. I don’t know that it will result in anything. He didn’t say, “We’ve contacted them, and anticipate signing them on July 1.”

As for Cam Barker’s deal, I agree with Ranallo. It should be voided, then re-signed by Chicago. Why? Because the market place was never opened. If Chicago wants to re-sign Barker, fine. If Barker wants to re-sign in Chicago, fine. But the market must set the value. How can the market set the value, if the opening bell never sounded on Wall St.? Or, is this instance, Rush St., in Chicago. No GM ever got the chance, including Waddell, to make Barker an offer. Shouldn’t Atlanta, or any other market, at least get the opportunity to toss its hat in the ring? Even if it’s just to be utterly ignored? Maybe Waddell could at least drive up the price on Barker’s deal. Chicago has the potential to be a very good team, for a number of years, with Barker on its roster. I have no ax to grind with Chicago, point of comment, I sympathisize with no Cups since 1961, but I sure don’t want to make it easier for any other team to win a Cup before Atlanta does. Ranallo is right.

Hockey Biltong

July 7th, 2009
11:47 am

Anyone see Tanguay?? Did he crawl under a rock?

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
11:51 am

Thanks Ice Meister – thing is, it really only seems to be coming out of GTA – the rest of Canada SEEMS to be relatively normal. Should be interesting to see the reactions to team USA in Vancouver next February.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
11:59 am

It’s considered tampering just because Wilson mentioned the players by name, before they were unrestricted free agents. Mentioning the player is considered tampering, and that’s why asking Waddell any question such as “who will you target in free agency” is responded with “it’s tampering for me to say any names, but we’re looking at top 4 defenders and big bodied top 6 forwards”…he knows better, as do most GMs in the league.

Wilson should have known better than to say “Sedins”, and could’ve simply said “a couple Tier I UFAs”. Seems silly that they’re picking nits, but the line must be maintained.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
12:10 pm

I am sure Wilson knew exactly what he was doing. He took a calculated risk – knowing the penalty was likely to be a slap on the wrist, and that the upside was landing the Sedins. Let’s face it – they were pretty brazen last summer in giving a player money to buy himself out of a contract. What did that get them? Oooooh, they lose a fouth round draft pick. If found guilty, I am sure the NHL will punish them by losing a seventh rounder, or something similarly horrible.

Ice Meister

July 7th, 2009
12:12 pm

GTA is no surprise. The rest of Canada gets into the whine fest sooner or later, especially when it comes to hockey.

Don’t mean to be so insensitive here Glovesave, but I have heard it all before.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
12:25 pm

Not insensitive at all. I find it all laughable.

The Hockey News just posted a blog about resigning Kovy. Actually pretty positive, they don’t like the recent signings, but feel we have a decent core of good young talent…

Alan

July 7th, 2009
12:28 pm

Interesting? Hardly. The Boo Birds will be out in full force, booing any and every Team USA player who so much as looks at the puck.

Brian Burke

July 7th, 2009
12:31 pm

Who cares about rules, I’m Brian Burke. No one did anything to Ken Holland when he tampered with Hossa last season.

If Bettman tries to fine me, I’ll kick his penguin a$$ to the curb.

Ice Meister

July 7th, 2009
12:40 pm

My experiences go allot deeper guys. I played a few tournaments in Canada as a kid. The hockey “fans” there were a–holes to us most of the time.

You can call us Americans arrogant and insensitive from time to time. But Canadian hockey “fans” take stupidity to a higher level.

Look at all the crap about putting an NHL team in Hamilton because they “deserve it”. Based on what? If you are going to put a team in Hamilton, you might as well put one in Omaha or Austin. No offense to either city, for mentioning them in the same breathe as Hamilton.

Just listen to Don Cherry cry, bitch piss and moan for 3 minutes every Saturday night during hockey season. You will get the picture.

Hamilton is scum-51st state, but we have no room on the flag for ya.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
12:43 pm

Ice Meister – I played up there as a kid…we did a tour of the country one summer with the Atlanta Jr. Flames, so I too have seen it all from BC to NS. I never really noticed any anti-American sentiment, but then, I was 12 years old!

Brendan

July 7th, 2009
1:02 pm

If just mentioning the name is “tampering,” we’re all guilty of tampering! Good thing we’re not NHL Scouts, Coaches and/or GM’s, huh?

They don’t hand out Nobel prizes for “attempted” chemistry, do they? If I walked into a police station and announced, “I’m thinking of trafficking drugs for a living.” Would I be arrested?, with no overt act? And no fellow drug traffickers with whom I’ve supposedly colluded. I would hope that the NHL requires evidence more substantive than public interview speculation. Would the Sedins even be aware of Ron Wilson’s comments, if someone hadn’t brought it to their attention?

It’s quite another matter to summon the Sedins to the league offices, and in sworn affadavit, ask them if Ron Wilson, or any member of the Toronto Maple Leaf organization, contacted them while Vancouver still held their rights, with an AFFIRMATIVE answer. That’s undeniably TAMPERING! But hey, if mentioning names commonly known to be in free agency is “the line of demarcation,” then Wilson should have known better. I’m always told that “ignorance is no excuse.” Of course, we don’t really know what Wilson said, specifically. What if he said, “We all know there are some big names out there. And if you’re asking me if I’d be shocked to discover we’d landed some, … no I wouldn’t be.” And the next question were, “Like the Sedins?” And Wilson replied, “Could be someone like the Sedins.” Is that really tampering? If it is, that’s pretty sad.

Ice Meister

July 7th, 2009
1:13 pm

Glovesave-they are just jealous!

Smoothie

July 7th, 2009
2:31 pm

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283975

Hmmm, per chance there is an opportunity here for the Thrashers if Colby and the Don reach an impasse in their contract talks. If Talbot is out for 5 months and won’t probably be back to top form until the stretch drive, perhaps the Pens would be interested in Colby for his secondary scoring? And they need a back-up goalie too don’t they?

Hey Don, call up your old pal Ray Shero and offer him Colby (~ $2.5 M), Pavelec ($1.4 M), Jim Slater (~ $950 K) and a 2nd round pick in 2010 in return for C Jordan Staal($4 M), LW / RW Pascal Dupuis ($1.4 M) and RW Craig Adams ($550 K).

The deal could help free up roughly $1.1 M in cap space for the Pens and we would get PK help and bottom line depth in Adams and Dupuis. The Pens would then have enough money to bring in another RW and address their paucity of bottom 2 D-men. We could then entertain the notion of flipping Todd White to another salary cap strapped team for draft picks and then go after another UFA like Satan or to sure up the right side of the 3rd line.

Potential Line-up After Trade:

Kovy — Pevs — Antropov

Kozzy — Staal — Little

Dupuis — Marty — UFA Satan (more Russian love for Kovy)

Boultsy — Thorburn — Adams

Satan showed last year that he could play very solid 2-way hockey when motivated. While some would argue that he would rest on the accomplishment of last year and just coast into retirement with this next deal, I see Miro coming into his own as a 2-way role player who can bolster a young team with his experience and leadership similar to what Federov did for the young Caps. Dupuis only has one year so we don’t have to worry about him clogging up the LW for our young prospects like Kane and Machacek. Satan can hold down the fort until Klingberg is ready to come back over from Sweden.

In 2012, our starting line-up may very well look like this anyway:

Kovy — Pevs / Staal / UFA — Antro / Little

Kane / Kozzy — Pevs / Staal / Espo — Little / Antro

Machacek — Pevs / UFA — Klingberg / Adams

Enforcer (Sol?) — Holzapfel? / Thor — Thor / Adams

Wow, am I bored at work or what?? Just thinking what it would be like to get a young 2nd center for the future to replace White. Staal has all the skills and upside for the Top 6 and the prospect of having Staal, Kane, Peverley, Esposito and Holzapfel up the middle looks pretty good to me. Just don’t know what other scenario would help us procure a young up and coming C with Top 6 potential without giving up a Bryan Little or Toby Enstrom.

Hockey Biltong

July 7th, 2009
3:00 pm

The Falconer or Bird Watchers Anony just reported Krabbe and Oysteriser on the Thrash Menu..

Midfield

July 7th, 2009
3:03 pm

Satan is a Slovak, not a Russian

Buzilla in CT

July 7th, 2009
3:31 pm

What’s up with Kovy’s happening Bruce Jenner hair doo?

R. Stroz

July 7th, 2009
3:58 pm

Waddell must have decided today was seafood signing day.

LAC

July 7th, 2009
4:15 pm

Gee Whiz “chris” sorry I offended you by putting up something I thought might be of interest, In the future I will contact YOU first to see if it is ok not to put up stupid stuff, but then again
after seeing your comments…;. Who is Stupid ?

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
4:22 pm

According to TSN, the Avs have called a 3PM news conference for Thursday where it is being speculated that Joe Sakic will retire.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
4:25 pm

And now Chris Pronger signed an extension with the Flyers for 7 years / $35M

Brendan

July 7th, 2009
4:33 pm

Sev-ven years? He’s what? 33-34? I guess that’s a $5 million-a-year cap hit, probably front loaded. By my question is this, Glovesave29? “Won’t Lauren be cold in Philly?” She likes warm, Anaheim temperatures. And NYC is too way away by train or car for her convenience. You watch. Pronger will, eventually, request a trade out of Philly. But it’s important to the Flyers that they firm Pronger up longer than one season. I don’t know that 7 years was all that necessary, but I suppose they did what they had to.

Glovesave29

July 7th, 2009
4:39 pm

He’s 34 – and by the time this contract is half over, he’ll be a shell of his current, dirty self. It’ll be like watching Derian Hatcher all over again. Meanwhile – in Anaheim, Lupul and Sbisa will just be coming into their own…

Tony C.

July 7th, 2009
4:47 pm

Sweet Oysterick got rewarded…and Mr.T sorry, but Evander’s playing for the Giants next season, barring a miraculous camp-Crabb is your 3rd line winger we were “missing”

At least that’s the way I see it.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
5:16 pm

I guess that solves the riddle of who will share 7th defender duties with Valabik this season. Good to see both resigned, I think they’re both fine depth players who are still relatively young. I think Oystrick could still improve but I have a feeling Crabb’s ceiling isn’t too much higher than his current skill.

And I’d agree with Tony C. here…looks like Kane will have to do very well in camp in order to secure a spot on the Thrashers roster. I don’t have a problem with that.

h

July 7th, 2009
5:30 pm

If Crabb plays on the 3rd line, we will be drafting in top 5 again this year. We have to be able to do better than that.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 7th, 2009
5:35 pm

Well if that’s your opinion, who would it take in that spot so the Thrashers didn’t draft in the top 5 again?

Smoothie

July 7th, 2009
6:43 pm

Happy as hell to see Crabb and “Rocky Mtn” Oystrick back on the Thrashers roster menu! Hopefully, Crabb got the message from JA about how hard he needs to work in order to stay up with the big club. I still think he is a better option than both Boulton and Thorburn when it comes to lower line “energy” players as he seems to have more skill. I don’t think we’ll see Crabb fighting too much though.

As for Oystrick, I was beginning to wonder what was happening with him. Very happy to see him back with the club as he seemed to play much better after he wasn’t “saddled” with the free-lancing Schneider on his pairing. He obviously understands JA’s system quite well and brings a bit of an edge to the blueline; I recall at least 2 instances were he dropped gloves and fought admirably on the ice.

Good luck Joey and Nate! We’re gonna need ya!

Rawhide

July 7th, 2009
7:23 pm

Tony C. & ranallo – You may be right about Kane playing with the Giants this fall…barring an incredible training camp and preseason. If so… here are the lines as they stand now as I see it:

Kovy – Peverely – Antropov
Kozlov – White – Little
Crabb – Reasoner Armstrong
Boulton – Slater – Thorburn

So…the battle may be for that magical spot in the press box & the occational start. If given the choice between that and playing everyday in Vancouver for Kane…I would agree that I’d rather him be in in Vancouver.

On defense…

Bogosian – Enstrom
Hainsey – Kubina
Valabik – Salmela/Oystrik

OK folks…how does that shape up for you??

Smoothie

July 7th, 2009
7:47 pm

Keep in mind Rawhide that Thorburn will be paid less than Kane by about $250 K so I would not be surprised if Kane started out on the 3rd line in October with Marty & Colby while Thorburn and Crabb fight it out for the RW spot on the 4th line. If EK can bring effective spot mins on the PK in the pre-season as well as hold his own at ES, I would not be surprised to see either Thorbs or “Shacky” sitting in the pressbox for the first 2 weeks of October.

R. Stroz

July 7th, 2009
7:53 pm

Considering Philly’s cap problems, who/whose contract would you take off their roster in order to alleviate their cap space issues?

Dwayne

July 7th, 2009
8:07 pm

Bill, I’m not sold on Boris yet, Salmela-Oystrik. With Kari in goal, that’s a playoff team. I like the Vets and I like tha fact that JA got a few of his Chicago boys with him. A whole year of Kovy as Captain, Pevs for a whole year, Bogo’s breakout year(this year)BL building some stregnth for a long season, seems he faded a little down the stretch. Lots of other reasons to feel good. I’m an optimist when it comes to the Thrashers.

Smoothie

July 7th, 2009
8:09 pm

Stroz, how about Todd White, Jimmy Slater and Holzapfel for Claude Giroux and Simon Gagne? A salary swap of roughly $2.5 M. Then they can go out and sign Sykora or Satan to fill the hole left by Knuble.

Dwayne

July 7th, 2009
8:16 pm

Hey Stroz, when you are thru with the trade with Philly, see if you can get Broduer from New Jersey.

Rawhide

July 7th, 2009
8:22 pm

Smoothie – Point taken…but what if Espo is ready to go and impresses in camp? That throws another possibilty into the mix. Then…who’s out?

Dwayne – I hear ya…I’m all jazzed about the season too. And get this…what about Kulda and Lewis and Denny? These guys are gonna come into camp with slim chances of playing themselves into a roster spot. Hard to believe we are saying that about a Thrashers defense, eh?

Smoothie

July 7th, 2009
8:31 pm

I hear ya Rawhide, but didn’t Angelo JUST start skating in late June? Won’t it be a minor miracle for him to compete for the big club with only 3 1/2 mos of rehab?? Just sayin’.

I would love it if Angelo could crack the line-up and put pressure on the bottom 3: Slater, Thorby, Crabb, Kane & Machacek. I exempt Boulton because someone has to bust some a$$!! ;-)

ben

July 7th, 2009
8:32 pm

is there a kovy update?

Rawhide

July 7th, 2009
8:40 pm

Smoothinator – Good point!

Ben – Looks like there has been some movement in the right direction there. From Mark Bradley’s recent writeup about Waddell and Kovy…

“I’ve had very good conversations with Kovy, and I talk more with his agent, Jay Grossman,” Waddell said. “And the best thing about this is that the core of our team is all young players. When we won our division [in 2007], we were a much older team. We took some lumps, but we’ve gotten younger.”

Is there a timetable for discussions about Kovalchuk’s extension to begin in earnest? “I’d say over the next six weeks,” Waddell said.

And take this for what’s it worth. On the day Waddell signed Antropov, the GM received a two-word text message from No. 17. The two words: “Good job.”

So, hopefully, this will be sooner rather than later.

Fingers crossed

Knocking wood

Avoiding black cats and ladders

ben

July 7th, 2009
8:46 pm

so . . .

all is quiet on the kovy front.

ben

July 7th, 2009
8:47 pm

other than what’s already been reported

World Be Free

July 7th, 2009
9:16 pm

Have we lost our love for Colby Armstrong? The boys just need to get a deal done, then go forward what’s left out there. Quality free agenst are drying up.

Remember picking up Marty Reasoner last year? Didn’t seemt o be a big thing at the time, turned out to be a great move.

Don/Duds, it only takes one of you to negotiate with Kovy!

R. Stroz

July 7th, 2009
10:25 pm

R. Stroz

July 7th, 2009
10:31 pm

Dwayne – If it were up to me, I’d present Versteeg with an offer sheet. Chicago can’t afford to match any offer sheets.

As far as Philly goes, they can’t match any offer sheets either. It’s time for DW to start playing shrewdly and grab some RFAs with offer sheets that other GMs can’t touch due to salary cap issues.

Waffleboy

July 7th, 2009
10:54 pm

I agree with Stroz. Anybody that we get to sign as an RFA or UFA is coming here of their own volition and will contribute accordingly. Working out trades with players that may not want to be here, a la Maryann, is a recipe for disaster for this club that is struggling to prove to the league that it can be a legit threat for years to come. Bring in guys with something to prove and see what happens. While Williams was a bust in that regard last year, it cost us next to nothing to give him a shot. Does anyone know the RFA’s we can target?

Tom

July 8th, 2009
6:35 am

Stroz

Your theory is absolutely correct, but the problem is Donny wants all the other GM’s to like him. He is the party girl of the NHL. Everyone thinks he is great and takes him home after the party, but he will never get the ring. All he gets is screwed.

Get The Puck Out

July 8th, 2009
9:01 am

What UFA’s are left?

h

July 8th, 2009
9:13 am

Versteeg signed with Chicago

Sara

July 8th, 2009
9:30 am

Chicago has apparently already re-signed Versteeg. Per a tweet from The Fourth Period.

Dwayne

July 8th, 2009
9:35 am

No one else is coming here. Slim, I mean SLIM possibility Dudley and Don get anymore notable players here. Sign Kari and the lineup is set. Now that Dudley is here, I feel confident that he would not let Don do anything stupid, like package Kari with someone and give the job to OP. I hope camp provides some surprises to push JA and company to make hard decisions.

Sara

July 8th, 2009
9:35 am

BTW is anyone else aware the Kiwi signing has started WWIII between the NHL and KHL again? Whoops….

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/khl_claims_nhl_broke_agreement/

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
9:36 am

My question still remains…what happens if the NHLPA’s grievance is substantiated? Chicago can now say “what RFA’s?” because they’ve effectively signed all six of the players in question to new contracts…how is this within the rules?

Dwayne

July 8th, 2009
9:39 am

ranallo10(in AT) answer: original 6, they do what they want.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
9:45 am

Ahhhhh, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying Dwayne.

Next question, how can Atlanta become an Original 6 franchise?

Sara

July 8th, 2009
9:50 am

How is *not* within the rules ranallo? There isn’t anything in the CBA that says they cannot continue to negotiate while the grievance is pending. It’s not Tallon’s fault the NHLPA forgot to add a “stay” clause prohibiting teams and players from entering into new contracts while arbitration is pending.

You can argue this six ways to Sunday but the players weren’t leaving Chicago so it’s all moot anyway.

Dwayne

July 8th, 2009
10:04 am

ranallo10(in AT) answer: start the Southeastern Hockey League, I think my idea is as good as some of the trade senarios that I read in this blog.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
10:14 am

“There isn’t anything in the CBA that says they cannot continue to negotiate while the grievance is pending.”

I wouldn’t know, that’s why I ask. If you’d like to scrape the CBA for such a line, by all means feel free to do it.

The status of the players based on the legitimacy of the RFA offer that was tendered is at question. Chicago is pleading ignorance regarding the breaking of the rules (Tallon actually blamed it on the post office!), but are masking their transgression by signing the players to contracts quickly before the NHLPA grievance can be heard. It was Tallon’s fault for breaking the rules in the first place, he shouldn’t be able to get off without any form of punishment.

“but the players weren’t leaving Chicago so it’s all moot anyway”

It has absolutely nothing to do with where the players are going to play next year, it has to do with following the rules that have been in place since 2005, and how Chicago has knowingly broken the rules (ignorance isn’t a valid defense) but are being allowed to continue exclusive negotiations with these TBDFA players.

As I said, what happens if/when the NHLPA grievance is substantiated? If those players were supposed to be UFAs but never hit the open market, something is inherently wrong with the situation. If I were another GM in the league I’d demand a chance to float a contract to those players. If they want to deny it they’re more than welcome to say so…but they should be FREE agents, if the grievance is upheld. If they were UFAs there was no free market to set their contract value.

I’ve been assuming all along that nothing would happen to these players, that the grievance would be ignored and everything pushed under a rug, but this is getting ridiculous to me. They are accused of breaking a rule and used the requisite investigation time to cover their mistake…again I ask, how is that within the rules? You can’t steal something then return it before being charged and everything is considered okay.

Smoothie

July 8th, 2009
10:25 am

Chicago, Philly and perhaps Boston will need to make some moves before October to get under the cap. Twill be interesting to see how they manage things.

Perhaps a trade with Chicago is in order as they need depth at goalie and we could use a LW. How about Pavelec straight up for Andrew Ladd?

Toby

July 8th, 2009
10:37 am

I would LOVE to have Ladd…but Chicago hangs up the phone.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
10:53 am

I like Ladd and Sharp from their roster, considering players who would actually be available (no matter what Toronto fans wish they will not be able to acquire Versteeg for a backup goalie).

Dwayne — No doubt. I originally started posting on this blog because I got tired of seeing people writing trade scenarios surrounding Peter Forsberg. To each their own I guess, but I try to stay away from the obviously unrealistic trade discussions.

Rawhide or Trixie — Was my response to Sara somehow lost? It was submitted around 10am EST.

Smoothie

July 8th, 2009
11:02 am

Trade speculation is fun and one of the points of a blog if you ask me. It forces you to think a bit and weigh options and alternatives to see if they actually make sense. Obviously, the speculation can become quite maddeningly fanciful at times, but you take the good with the bad.

As for Chicago and their glut of overpaid players, I think Sharp and Ladd would be good assets to obtain. Sharp seems to have a bit of sandpaper to him and can play with an edge.

A deal involving Sharp & Ladd for say Whitey and Pavs would be cap relief to the tune of $1.6 – $1.8 M for the Hawks depending on Pavs’ bonus compensation. Just sayin’.

Disclaimer: I’m not hating on Whitey, but he is one of our few tradeable assets that would be attractive to another team (reasonable salary, career year last year, responsible 2-way player and 2 yrs left on his deal). I have absolutely no problem going into next year with Whitey centering Kozzy and Litts.

Sara

July 8th, 2009
11:19 am

“the cyberspace ate my answer” – likely excuse ranallo. come on – just admit defeat gracefully. :p

Trixie (Rawhide's Secretary)

July 8th, 2009
11:28 am

Mr. Ranallo – Your 10:14 am post was indeed stuck in Comment Purgatory. It has been freed now.

R. Stroz

July 8th, 2009
11:29 am

On the Kiwi issue:

Several years ago, the Thrashers had a goalie under contract, Fred Brathwaite, with the Wolves. While under contract with the Thrashers, he jumped ship to the KHL.

Essentially, Kiwi has done the same thing in reverse, going from the KHL to NHL.

I imagine the Thrashers organization reminded the NHL of the prior incident; as a result, the NHL is choosing to let the Kiwi situation ride.

As we say, payback is a …..

R. Stroz

July 8th, 2009
11:34 am

Speaking of the KHL:

One of the KHL teams just signed Jiri Hudler.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=284076

Sara

July 8th, 2009
11:42 am

Stroz – I saw that. Forget the Braithwaite example – the biggie is Radulov. It was ok for the KHL to poach (anyone recall the talk last off-season about the KHL trying their damnedest to get Kovy to hop back over the pond?), but not ok for the NHL.

Spud Webb

July 8th, 2009
11:43 am

I love the looks of our D. Me thinks Valabik is going to be much better this season, just a hunch.
I want to see us toughen up a bit on the 4th line. I love Boults, but he doesnt strike fear into anyone.
I’m tired of teams running us, year after year. What happened to Hoffman, anyone heard??

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
12:16 pm

Sara — I think the bird from Twitter is to blame…I’m telling you, that thing is evil!

Brendan

July 8th, 2009
12:32 pm

I think GM’s would like to offer deals to every one of those Chicago RFA/suddenly UFA players, just to force Chicago to pay more for them. Let’s face it. The Blackhawks could win a Stanley Cup, maybe even before the current CBA expires. Why not make it harder for them?

I do think Ranallo is right. The market place never opened on Rush St. No GM even got a shot at those players, as UFA’s. I am assuming no RFA offersheets were made for Versteeg or Cam Barker. If Chicago broke the rules, then they must pay “something.” A fine. A loss of some type of draft pick. Snake can’t rob the Qwick-E-Mart, then get pulled over by Chief Wiggum with the loot in his vehicle, and all is forgiven, just by Snake returning the money to Apu. It doesn’t work that way. Not even on “The Simpsons,” (TM, 20th Century Fox, all rights reserved.) Even Snake would have to do some community service. Even if that service is washing Wiggum’s car or playing with Ralph for an hour, while he describes the 17 different ways he enjoys his cat. Or shrubs. Including whether they have prickers on them or not. Allrighteee then. What’s Chicago’s penalty? If Chicago didn’t do anything wrong, and it’s actually the fault of the U.S. Postal Service, then I suppose all is fine and forgiven. But if the U.S. Mail isn’t at fault, Chicago must be penalized in some form or fashion. Which may, or may not, including invalidating the contracts of those players signed, precisely because … as UFA’s … no other GM was given access to them, to set their market value. If I’m Versteeg or Barker, I’d sure want Chicago to pay me $1 million more, if some other GM is offering that much more for me. And if Chicago won’t match it, and I like the team making me the offer, as a UFA, I’ll sign wherever I jolly well please. If you see the point I’m making. And Ranallo (in AT) is making.

World Be Free

July 8th, 2009
12:33 pm

Spud, Boris has to work on his skating abit, which is scary for a guy drafted so high. You should not have to worry about whether the guy can skate.

h

July 8th, 2009
1:03 pm

Boris played well down the stretch last year. He played smarter and was a true asset on the PK. I agree with Spud and expect him to play very well this year. I believe we will see him get a few more minutes this year as a result.

Alan

July 8th, 2009
1:28 pm

Boris has, at least, improved his skating since we first saw him get NHL playing time late in 2007-2008. He’s become far more of an asset on the team than a liability, and started playing the PK extremely well.

That assessment doesn’t mean he doesn’t still have work left to do, it just means he got better as last year came along, and I expect his progress to continue.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
1:31 pm

I have tempered expectation for Valabik because I see him still taking bad penalties and still being beaten to nearly every puck. I like him for his size (which implicitly gives him potential), but I’ve yet to be impressed by his play. I think he still needs conditioning at the NHL level before I would entrust him to critical minutes in a game (PK with 30 seconds left with a one goal lead). He needs more minutes to get that development though, much like Coburn did prior to leading Philadelphia defenders in ATOI.

Speaking of Coburn, he’s going to learn a lot from Pronger…maybe not all good things, but Coburn will be better just by playing on the same team as Pronger.

Russian

July 8th, 2009
2:05 pm

We missed another good player. Koivu is moving to California. He will be Duck for one year – $3.25

R. Stroz

July 8th, 2009
2:15 pm

The only top tier player left is Tanguay.

Glovesave29

July 8th, 2009
2:28 pm

Yeah, Saku’s gonna look strange in black, orange and gold. That logo is almost as bad as the one we are going to have to look at for the Thrashers 10th anniversary.

Is the shine coming off of the Wings? Seem to be bleeding players at a rate they are not used to. Their big stars (minus Hossa) are signed for a long while, but the strength of the team was always the supporting cast, and they seem to be happy to play elsewhere.

I am holding out on Valabik moving on to wing. He is a liability on D and will continue to be so until he improves his skating.

Chicago got away with one. The league should have stepped in and halted any negotiations as the grievance was being investigated. They were RFA’s after all, and no damage would have befallen the Blackhawks as the due dilligence was occuring. If Chicago is found guilty, does the league override the contracts? What if other teams offer more? Chicago may be their preffered destination, but perhaps it would have cost the Hawks more and caused further cap issues. The NHL needs to set a precedent and be a “hard ass”. Rules are rules and they missed a deadline. They should be dually punished

Tony C.

July 8th, 2009
2:39 pm

Well let’s go get him.

Sara

July 8th, 2009
2:44 pm

Brendan – I don’t think Chicago did anything wrong. Maybe they screwed up with the offer sheets sure, but there has been no indication that they didn’t have the right to still sign their players. Otherwise it wouldn’t have happened and the PA would be crying foul all over again.

The market sets the price in a variety of ways besides just direct bidding. Comparable contracts for example. Or if other GMs were so hot to trot, they could have presented offer sheets for Barker or Versteeg.

Frankly I have to be honest here and say the arguments you and ranallo are making really tick me off. That’s deliberately inflating salaries which is already a big enough problem in the NHL. Forcing the Blackhawks to overpay in order to kill their Stanley Cup chances? What kind of pathetic, cheap stunt is that? You want to keep them from winning a Stanley Cup? Build a better team than theirs. Imagine someone trying to pop Little or Bogosian into UFA through some technicality? Or deliberately inflating their value through an offer sheet so that we couldn’t afford to keep them or other players? In the end, BS like this hurts the fans more than anyone else.

It’s all back to the same point – Barker and Versteeg didn’t have to sign – they could have let this play out and seen what other teams might have offered (I guarantee their agents made that case quite clearly). Obviously they feel Chicago has made them fair offers and they want to remain with that franchise. The other 29 teams never stood a chance no matter how much you guys argue that they never got one.

Russian

July 8th, 2009
2:44 pm

Yes. Tanguay left on the Market. I like to see Kotalik also.

Glovesave29

July 8th, 2009
3:01 pm

Sara – but Chicago DID do something wrong. Minor? No doubt. Nitpicking? Absolutely. But the NHLPA did file a grievance, so obviously something was out of line. So what you are saying is that GM’s for the other 29 clubs should just back down and let the Hawks build a powerhouse? I personally would want my GM doing ANYTHING THEY CAN do make the Thrashers a winner. If that means taking advantage of someone elses mistake…then so be it. Would that really leave a bad taste in the mouths of the players / office / fans if a team were to win the Cup using one of these players that Chicago missed the deadline on? Of course not. If you puposefully inflate another teams cap so that they cannot sign other players…well that is just part of the game. It may piss you off, and you have every right to you opinion, but this is business, you take every advantage that is afforded to you within the rules (of if you are Toronto – just take every advantage and damn the rules).

Buzilla in CT

July 8th, 2009
3:08 pm

Lets get Savard back from Boston

Russian

July 8th, 2009
3:22 pm

**to Zilla**
HOW???? :-)
Make him drunk and Kidnapping him

Russian

July 8th, 2009
3:29 pm

Slater is back. :-)

Glovesave29

July 8th, 2009
3:30 pm

Ha! Russian…I was thinking the same thing! Buzilla is up in Connecticut, so by proximity alone, I would nominate him to so the dirty work.

ranallo10 (in AT)

July 8th, 2009
3:38 pm

There is a rule for a reason, and Chicago is attempting to ignore the fact they broke the rule and take advantage of a relatively slow grievance process. As Glovesave said, a precedent must be set. To me this isn’t about punishing Chicago so they can’t win a Stanley Cup, it’s about upholding rules that a team has supposedly broken. I have no idea what sort of punishment will be levied, if any, but in my opinion it should either be a high draft pick (for arguments sake let’s say the same picks it would have cost another NHL team to sign them away as RFAs), or at the very harshest the recent contracts should be rejected and the players should truly be UFAs, open to accepting offers from all other teams (even if they don’t plan on signing them). And yes, if Atlanta broke the rules regarding tendering offers to their RFAs I would expect them to be punished as well.

“The other 29 teams never stood a chance no matter how much you guys argue that they never got one.”

Who cares? They deserve the opportunity to be denied by the agents and players. It doesn’t matter if nobody else had a chance to sign Scott Neidermayer this offseason because he was resolute in his goal to re-sign in Anaheim…as a free agent all other teams are allowed to contact him and be told “no, we’re not interested, even for $1M more than Anaheim is offering”. As of this point no team has been allowed to speak to these players knowing what their status is without a doubt.

The rout of all this is Tallon’s improper submitting of RFA documents, using a method of submitting them that is explicitly prohibited. Why couldn’t he have faxed them? Is it possible that neither the Blackhawks nor Tallon own a fax machine? So, if they broke the rules, what are the consequences? If Chicago is allowed to re-sign the players at an expedited pace in order to avoid punishment, there is absolutely no reason they can’t improperly handle RFA documents in the future.

Barker and Versteeg could command good money from many teams around the league, if they were UFAs. According to the NHLPA they should have been UFAs. So, teams like Toronto and Edmonton should be given a fair chance at bidding on these UFAs (i.e., with the benefit of clarity in their free agent status, specifically no RFA compensation for getting the player signed), as if they had truly hit the open market.

Even if this happened to Bogosian I would be on here saying “Waddell screwed up, and an example needs to be made so it doesn’t happen again”. Ignorance is not a defense, nor is a statement like “nobody else stood a chance to sign the players”. I highly doubt it will happen but I would like to see this situation be dealt with properly so that Chicago doesn’t escape appearing as if it’s received preferential treatment.

Brendan

July 8th, 2009
4:12 pm

And certainly, Chicago (or any other team,) shouldn’t be allowed to do it again, next year, knowing there’s no punishment for it. From the Atlanta perspective, we’re a glass house that is non-receptive to stone throwing. But if I’m in the Blackhawks’ division, challenging them for the division title, I’d try to steal one of these players. Maybe even via the RFA route. Now, in the past, it’s been the unwritten rule (that supports what you’re angry about, Sara,) among GM’s not to poach/artificially inflate player salaries. But, really, Edmonton, and markets like Edmonton, have a hard time bringing in a quality free agent. They basically have to draft Tier I guys or attempt to trade for them. And trading for players who don’t want to be there … is also a bad decision, in the longterm.

Will Detroit, Nashville, St. Louis or Columbus cry foul if the Blackhawks wind up losing some of these players to them? Or other teams? Or be penalized draft picks? Probably not. They’ll probably cheer about it. I can’t rightly say if Chicago did or did not do anything wrong. In my “wishful thinking world,” I presume innocence unless or until evidence to contrary is uncovered and presented. And ifffff it’s true that Chicago did something wrong, they should pay whatever that penalty is. If it’s not against the rules to sign players while their contractual status is in a pending grievance, then NO FOUL occurred. But it seems, to me, that such a rule should be in place, if the “spirit” behind a grievance is to be observed. That there isn’t one seems like a tremendous oversight on the part of the writers of the CBA. Chicago gets the mask their “alleged” wrongdoing by fast tracking contracts? If Atlanta could have made an offer to Versteeg or Barker, as UFA’s, shouldn’t Atlanta at least get the right to have the door slammed in its face? Followed by a Nelson-like, “Ha-haw!”

R. Stroz

July 8th, 2009
4:17 pm

Sara – On the Blackhawks issue, I think the team should face some form of negative reinforcement.

If your children wait till the last minute to do a chore and on top of that did a half measured job, would you be pleased? I would hope not.

If not, how would you motivate them to do their chores in a timely and appropriate manner in the future? RULES and CONSEQUENCES.

Now, if your children knowingly did a half measured job at the last minute again, would you reward them or would they face the preordained consequence?

If there is no consequence to their decision to break the rules, why should they ever follow the rules?

The same holds for filing tax returns. You can either prepare and file your tax return with time to spare giving yourself time to review the return or you can wait till the last minute, send it off, and hope there aren’t any mistakes.

The Blachawks procrastinated, did a hald measured job, and as a result, didn’t follow the rules. As a result, they should pay a price. If there is no consequence for failing to follow the rulebook, every GM in the league should toss the rulebook in the recycle bin.

Smitty

July 8th, 2009
4:54 pm

WBF
Remember Peter McNab. He did not skate very well whenn the Sabres drafted him. They gave up on him and look what he did for the Bruins. I think Boris will do ok this year. As for the penalties the refs are kind of paying attention to him. He kind of stands out when he goes into a corner with a 6 footer. He doesn’t have to lift his arms to elbow somebody in the head. Do not give up on this guy. He may not be a Charo but he could be a force real soon.

ThrashDawg

July 8th, 2009
5:09 pm

Rawhide- saw your top line had Peverly as the Center. I have seen other folks do this as well in their projections. I just wonder why it did not work out with Peverly last year as the top line center? The last several weeks of the season White was the top line center with Kovy and Little on the wings. Any insight?

Tony C.

July 8th, 2009
5:21 pm

I think Peverly being moved off #17’s line had more to do with finding a guy who could be successful with Armi than it was a question of Peverly’s “chemistry” with #17.

Don’t believe me? Go watch Peverly & The Kaptain work in Peverly’s first game with us, then the second game, then the third… he sets #17 up, then scoots to the net.

Also, I feel that Coach is consciously positioning Little for success-White & Little were a known commodity for each other and the fact is that #17 makes a line go just about by himself-you can put Perrin at center and Thorburn at wing and he’s still gonna light the lamp.

Personally, now that we have a legit top-6er to ride shotgun with #17, why not put Peverly in between them and let the “Little White Russian” ride again? Clearly those three guys just click with each other. I’m a HUGE Kovalchuk fan, but even I was quick to point to that line as ATL’s “real” #1 line.

I may be wrong, about the thinking behind moving Peverly “down” and White&Little “up”…but well, heck somebody ask Chris V to ask Coach about that move.

Rawhide

July 8th, 2009
6:52 pm

ThrashDawg – I would echo the insightful comments that Tony C. offered up. Also…and I may be wrong about this…but I think there was an injury to someone last February-ish that caused a lineup shuffle.

Someone help me out with that if they recall as well.

Anywhoooo…let’s also remember that in the first half of the season, the line that was producing the best was the Kozlov – White – Little one. So I thought it was odd splitting them up as well.

However…either way you shake it, in the second half of the season, the Thrashers offense was crankin’ out goals to the tune of 3.44 per game. I’ll take that type of production any day!

World Be Free

July 8th, 2009
6:59 pm

Smitty-boy do I remember Peter McNab. He was one of my favorate Sabres in the mid 70’s along with Rick Dudley. McNab was big and not very quick, but he had a nose for the goal and a scorer’s touch.

I have no idea why Punch Imlach traded McNab, for Andre Savard no less. Savard’s nickname in Boston was “The Lamb”. McNab became a Sabre killer as a Bruin.

Guys Like McNab and Dave Andreychuk could get away with being a little slow because they were not the last line of defense. Boris needs to improve alot to make him worthy of the 10th overall pick.

World Be Free

July 8th, 2009
7:06 pm

Think about it-Chicago is in the pickle they’re in becuase they decided to mail the papers to the head office and not use a courier service.

How much is a Fed Ex/UPS Letter even without a discount?

I guess all the brains left the Black Hawks when Dudley headed out of town.

Dwayne

July 8th, 2009
7:21 pm

I thought Boris was turning the puck over alot late last year. Maybe I’m still upset that Boris didn’t pay Cindy Crotchby a visit. If someone hits me in the gonads? I’m getting me some payback, even if I have to whack him with my stick. Fine and suspension be damned!! How interchangabled is Nik? Barring injury to anyone, Does he center Pevs and Kovy, or does Pevs center that line.
I’ll play the game with yall….If Ladd and Sharpe came to Atl for White and OP, what would the line up look like???

Brendan

July 8th, 2009
8:17 pm

World Be Free, your post did make me chuckle a few times. What WERE the Blackhawks thinking? I can understand procrastination. Almost everybody does it, at some point in their lives. For the Atlanta Spirit, LLC, it’s part of their official company manual. There’s a whole chapter dedicated to it. “Why do today, what you can put off until after the deadline has passed?” But I digress. Chicago should have faxed those tenders. And if their fax was broken, head to the nearest Kroger or Publix and fax it from there. Or go to FedEx or DHL or UPS and ‘get ‘er done.’ If some EGGHEAD says, “it’s too expensive,” show them what the cost of NOT SENDING might be. I bet these tenders are also on file electronically. And if they are, they could have even emailed them, as file attachments, to the player’s agent. Total elapsed time. What? 30 seconds? “Email new, file attachment, browse, select file, hit “okay/upload,” write in a subject line, “Qualifying tender for (supply player name here,) and hit “send.”

Too difficult?

I wonder if we can get a quote from Dudley on the matter. I’d love to read, “And it never would have happened on MY WATCH!”

Glovesave29

July 8th, 2009
8:55 pm

Ottawa sent goalie Alex Auld to Dallas for a 6th rounder. His stats are faaaaar superior to Ondrej. So now we know how little you can get for a backup goalie these days. We’d have to really spice up any offer to get anything at all in return.

Brendan, I’d bet each team can log on to the NHL’s computer network to file all contacts and trades. I would ASSUME the agents and players have passwords too where they can access info that pertains to them. I’d like to think NHL central registry is at least that current with their technology. The Blackhawks are still using mail, Pony Express and Morse code – so it seems. Blaming the mail for this makes him look even more like a total boob.

Brendan

July 8th, 2009
9:03 pm

No argument there, Glovesave29.