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	<title>Comments on: Oilers, Avs &amp; Wild Making Moves &#8211; Islanders Too?</title>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glovesave29, I can&#039;t rightly tell you what the average payroll was in 2003, in the NHL.  But the Wild had one of the lowest.  It may have even been LESS than the Thrashers in &#039;03.  It was, at a minimum, &quot;comparable&quot; to Atlanta&#039;s.  Remember, the salary cap didn&#039;t come into effect until 2005-06.  And in &#039;03, there were teams like NY, Philly, Washington that were up in the $70 million range, and someone had $88 million.  I want to say it was the Capitals, but it might have been the Rangers or even the Leafs.  Hey, with no cap limit, they could spend to their very heart&#039;s content.  It was up to the owner to approve it, nothing more.  It was that &quot;hogwild&quot; spending that helped contribute to the lockout.  And thank god for it, for it put limits on the spenders and FORCED the smaller markets to at least meet the floor of the cap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glovesave29, I can&#8217;t rightly tell you what the average payroll was in 2003, in the NHL.  But the Wild had one of the lowest.  It may have even been LESS than the Thrashers in &#8216;03.  It was, at a minimum, &#8220;comparable&#8221; to Atlanta&#8217;s.  Remember, the salary cap didn&#8217;t come into effect until 2005-06.  And in &#8216;03, there were teams like NY, Philly, Washington that were up in the $70 million range, and someone had $88 million.  I want to say it was the Capitals, but it might have been the Rangers or even the Leafs.  Hey, with no cap limit, they could spend to their very heart&#8217;s content.  It was up to the owner to approve it, nothing more.  It was that &#8220;hogwild&#8221; spending that helped contribute to the lockout.  And thank god for it, for it put limits on the spenders and FORCED the smaller markets to at least meet the floor of the cap.</p>
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		<title>By: JAmes_kovyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAmes_kovyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scout team
owners

get the ---- out
ur ruining us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scout team<br />
owners</p>
<p>get the &#8212;- out<br />
ur ruining us</p>
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		<title>By: ranallo10 (in AT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ranallo10 (in AT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;His job that he gets paid to do is build the Thrashers team,being distracted by trying to put together Team USA would be an honor,but it’s taking up time he should be spending on making the Thrashers better.&quot;

He helped identify players that should go to Switzerland with the team.  He&#039;s an advisor.  I have a hard time believing that he&#039;s LOSING time towards the Thrashers simply because he&#039;s helping with Team USA.  Burke, Poille, Holmgren, Lombardi and Shero are all helping with Team USA as well...it&#039;s not like Waddell is the only NHL GM there with a team that needs improvement (4 of the 6 GMs missed the playoffs, 2 have lottery picks in the upcoming draft).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;His job that he gets paid to do is build the Thrashers team,being distracted by trying to put together Team USA would be an honor,but it’s taking up time he should be spending on making the Thrashers better.&#8221;</p>
<p>He helped identify players that should go to Switzerland with the team.  He&#8217;s an advisor.  I have a hard time believing that he&#8217;s LOSING time towards the Thrashers simply because he&#8217;s helping with Team USA.  Burke, Poille, Holmgren, Lombardi and Shero are all helping with Team USA as well&#8230;it&#8217;s not like Waddell is the only NHL GM there with a team that needs improvement (4 of the 6 GMs missed the playoffs, 2 have lottery picks in the upcoming draft).</p>
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		<title>By: pond scum</title>
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		<dc:creator>pond scum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d first love to ask this question for anyone to maybe give me a reason for this;
The season is over yeah,but WHY hasn&#039;t reasoner been resigned yet?  I haven&#039;t found ANY fan who doesn&#039;t want him back,he has stated it publicly he wants to stay and I haven&#039;t seen anything in the CBA that states that a UFA player can&#039;t be resigned by his last team before july 1st? Going out and getting this taken care of would be a great follow up statement to the second half of this season for the fans. If you want season ticket holders and want them to commit,how about some commitment first? 

As for the GM/coaching changes- yeah Lemaire got the Wild to the finals in what 03&#039;,with a $22 million dollar payroll.But look at the team then,a collection of vets and a trap system that in all honesty overachieved. Asking for that to happen again is VERY unlikely.

Also,Dallas, Montreal and Minnesota are better markets than we are. We started over from scratch,but Dallas didn&#039;t have to.  Minnesota did as the North-Stars moved down south,but they have sold out EVERY game since the very first Wild home opener,those folks are the hockey state no doubt. Then the franchise that has won more cups than any other,you better believe they have a great following to. Comparing the state of these franchises to ours is unfair. Gainey should be canned as well,for he has no limits on his payroll and the Habs seem to draft fairly well. Just what kind of real GM is he if you take those two tangibles of the franchise away?  As for Dallas,he was just about in the same situation,established teams that only needed tweaking,not rebuilt or completely built from the ground up. Risebourgh has brought the Wild probably as far as he can,but something doesn&#039;t make sense when the only real superstar you have is your own draft pick and he won&#039;t resign with you,yet your cash vaults stayed packed by the fans attendance? There is more than meets the eye with alot of teams and how they operate.

No, i&#039;m not a big supporter of DW for the many gaffes he has had as GM coming from a franchise in Detroit which,for years sucked but as time went along they got better and better and returned to glory. Our ownership at times I can&#039;t stand neither,because they can&#039;t work together as a team to achieve any goals. They are going to have to open up the billfolds some to get to the cap floor anyways.They want commitment from fans,I&#039;m ready and willing.But when you say your going to try and keep this team together and yet drag your feet when the process should already be in motion,it makes me feel as I&#039;m getting more lip service.And for the life of me,WHY does DW get chosen to have anything to do with our international hockey teams? His job that he gets paid to do is build the Thrashers team,being distracted by trying to put together Team USA would be an honor,but it&#039;s taking up time he should be spending on making the Thrashers better.

 The folks with the Thrashers franchise who should be taking the most heat is the scouting department IMHO,and since DW won&#039;t fire them,then he too should go.

 I work hard for the money I spend on this team year round and have done so for years now.It&#039;s time to demand that hard work be put into this team by it&#039;s management to see it become better. I&#039;m not demanding a Cup win in a certain amount of time,but other than our 1 playoff season and the last 3 months of this season doesn&#039;t make up for the other short comings season after season of heartbreak and disappointment. Quit being lazy,cheap,and distracted DW and get going keeping this team moving up.......  you&#039;ve had alot of rest in the other times you didn&#039;t work to keep Savard,Staios,Belanger,Brunette,ect.  but threw at us Rucchin,Holik,Kapanen,Modry,Tamer.  Find your spine and get to it,i&#039;ll bring you a vault soda straight from my bottling plant to help you out.

 Sorry,I&#039;m not trying to attack any of you fellow posters about the GM/coach talk....... but just don&#039;t know how to really feel about it cause any new GM may not like our current scheme and decide to scrap it and we forever stay in building mode to his likeness.

But I am sick and tired of being sick and tired with the cluelessness that which the team I love most is operated by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d first love to ask this question for anyone to maybe give me a reason for this;<br />
The season is over yeah,but WHY hasn&#8217;t reasoner been resigned yet?  I haven&#8217;t found ANY fan who doesn&#8217;t want him back,he has stated it publicly he wants to stay and I haven&#8217;t seen anything in the CBA that states that a UFA player can&#8217;t be resigned by his last team before july 1st? Going out and getting this taken care of would be a great follow up statement to the second half of this season for the fans. If you want season ticket holders and want them to commit,how about some commitment first? </p>
<p>As for the GM/coaching changes- yeah Lemaire got the Wild to the finals in what 03&#8242;,with a $22 million dollar payroll.But look at the team then,a collection of vets and a trap system that in all honesty overachieved. Asking for that to happen again is VERY unlikely.</p>
<p>Also,Dallas, Montreal and Minnesota are better markets than we are. We started over from scratch,but Dallas didn&#8217;t have to.  Minnesota did as the North-Stars moved down south,but they have sold out EVERY game since the very first Wild home opener,those folks are the hockey state no doubt. Then the franchise that has won more cups than any other,you better believe they have a great following to. Comparing the state of these franchises to ours is unfair. Gainey should be canned as well,for he has no limits on his payroll and the Habs seem to draft fairly well. Just what kind of real GM is he if you take those two tangibles of the franchise away?  As for Dallas,he was just about in the same situation,established teams that only needed tweaking,not rebuilt or completely built from the ground up. Risebourgh has brought the Wild probably as far as he can,but something doesn&#8217;t make sense when the only real superstar you have is your own draft pick and he won&#8217;t resign with you,yet your cash vaults stayed packed by the fans attendance? There is more than meets the eye with alot of teams and how they operate.</p>
<p>No, i&#8217;m not a big supporter of DW for the many gaffes he has had as GM coming from a franchise in Detroit which,for years sucked but as time went along they got better and better and returned to glory. Our ownership at times I can&#8217;t stand neither,because they can&#8217;t work together as a team to achieve any goals. They are going to have to open up the billfolds some to get to the cap floor anyways.They want commitment from fans,I&#8217;m ready and willing.But when you say your going to try and keep this team together and yet drag your feet when the process should already be in motion,it makes me feel as I&#8217;m getting more lip service.And for the life of me,WHY does DW get chosen to have anything to do with our international hockey teams? His job that he gets paid to do is build the Thrashers team,being distracted by trying to put together Team USA would be an honor,but it&#8217;s taking up time he should be spending on making the Thrashers better.</p>
<p> The folks with the Thrashers franchise who should be taking the most heat is the scouting department IMHO,and since DW won&#8217;t fire them,then he too should go.</p>
<p> I work hard for the money I spend on this team year round and have done so for years now.It&#8217;s time to demand that hard work be put into this team by it&#8217;s management to see it become better. I&#8217;m not demanding a Cup win in a certain amount of time,but other than our 1 playoff season and the last 3 months of this season doesn&#8217;t make up for the other short comings season after season of heartbreak and disappointment. Quit being lazy,cheap,and distracted DW and get going keeping this team moving up&#8230;&#8230;.  you&#8217;ve had alot of rest in the other times you didn&#8217;t work to keep Savard,Staios,Belanger,Brunette,ect.  but threw at us Rucchin,Holik,Kapanen,Modry,Tamer.  Find your spine and get to it,i&#8217;ll bring you a vault soda straight from my bottling plant to help you out.</p>
<p> Sorry,I&#8217;m not trying to attack any of you fellow posters about the GM/coach talk&#8230;&#8230;. but just don&#8217;t know how to really feel about it cause any new GM may not like our current scheme and decide to scrap it and we forever stay in building mode to his likeness.</p>
<p>But I am sick and tired of being sick and tired with the cluelessness that which the team I love most is operated by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Glovesave29</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glovesave29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our assemblage of players doesn&#039;t fit the Jacques Lemaire system. He&#039;s a brilliant hockey mind, but I&#039;d pass on him here. Personally, I prefer an uptempo and high scoring game (yeah, and this from a goalie!) and although I truly would love the successes that he would eventually bring, I think we could get a more suitable GM or coach here to get those same results without all the boring hockey that follows him. 

Funny thing, though...as a player with Montreal in the 1970&#039;s Lemaire was a swift sakting sniper, he and LaFleur and Cournoyer were blurs in the ice.

Brendan...what was the average team payroll in that 2003 year?

Thrasher Ed...I have been calling for the Gladiators to move up to the AHL for a while now. All of the other ECHL teams in the SE are falling by the wayside. They can have the AAA team here to work with the Thrash, call ups are easier, and Jeff Pyle, the coach of the Glads plays a similar style to that Anderson employs. Its a winning proposition all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our assemblage of players doesn&#8217;t fit the Jacques Lemaire system. He&#8217;s a brilliant hockey mind, but I&#8217;d pass on him here. Personally, I prefer an uptempo and high scoring game (yeah, and this from a goalie!) and although I truly would love the successes that he would eventually bring, I think we could get a more suitable GM or coach here to get those same results without all the boring hockey that follows him. </p>
<p>Funny thing, though&#8230;as a player with Montreal in the 1970&#8217;s Lemaire was a swift sakting sniper, he and LaFleur and Cournoyer were blurs in the ice.</p>
<p>Brendan&#8230;what was the average team payroll in that 2003 year?</p>
<p>Thrasher Ed&#8230;I have been calling for the Gladiators to move up to the AHL for a while now. All of the other ECHL teams in the SE are falling by the wayside. They can have the AAA team here to work with the Thrash, call ups are easier, and Jeff Pyle, the coach of the Glads plays a similar style to that Anderson employs. Its a winning proposition all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I like Risebrough and Gainey.  For that matter, I like the Head Coaches they canned, Guy Carbonneau and Jacques Lemaire.  Hey, plucking guys who won multiple Cups with Montreal in their heyday can&#039;t possibly be a bad thing!

Segue:  True or False time.  Here now the question: &quot;True or False, Jacques Lemaire once took a team to the Conference Finals on a $22 million budget?&quot;

Cue the theme to &quot;Jeopardy!&quot;  Still humming.  Not quite done yet.  Almost there.  Okay.  Time&#039;s up.

What did you pick?  Oh, c&#039;mon now.  Don&#039;t be shy.  There&#039;s a 50/50 chance to get this one right.  (If only there were a 50/50 chance Waddell was getting fired!)

The correct answer is (drumroll, please):  &lt;strong&gt;TRUE!&lt;/strong&gt;  In 2003, the Minnesota Wild team payroll was $22 million dollars, and it reached the Conference Finals.  Now, I&#039;ll readily admit that it only scored one (1) goal in those CF, but the point is, they GOT THERE.  It&#039;s &quot;doable.&quot;  So, &lt;strong&gt;if Jacques Lemaire were hired as a GM or Coach,&lt;/strong&gt; or both GM and Coach, &lt;strong&gt;he knows how to get results with a shoestring budget.&lt;/strong&gt;  And well, if you&#039;re asking meeeeee who&#039;d I&#039;d rather have overseeing a team with a salary cap floor budget, Waddell or Lemaire, I&#039;d pick Jacques Lemaire faster than you can say &quot;Rumpelstiltskin.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I like Risebrough and Gainey.  For that matter, I like the Head Coaches they canned, Guy Carbonneau and Jacques Lemaire.  Hey, plucking guys who won multiple Cups with Montreal in their heyday can&#8217;t possibly be a bad thing!</p>
<p>Segue:  True or False time.  Here now the question: &#8220;True or False, Jacques Lemaire once took a team to the Conference Finals on a $22 million budget?&#8221;</p>
<p>Cue the theme to &#8220;Jeopardy!&#8221;  Still humming.  Not quite done yet.  Almost there.  Okay.  Time&#8217;s up.</p>
<p>What did you pick?  Oh, c&#8217;mon now.  Don&#8217;t be shy.  There&#8217;s a 50/50 chance to get this one right.  (If only there were a 50/50 chance Waddell was getting fired!)</p>
<p>The correct answer is (drumroll, please):  <strong>TRUE!</strong>  In 2003, the Minnesota Wild team payroll was $22 million dollars, and it reached the Conference Finals.  Now, I&#8217;ll readily admit that it only scored one (1) goal in those CF, but the point is, they GOT THERE.  It&#8217;s &#8220;doable.&#8221;  So, <strong>if Jacques Lemaire were hired as a GM or Coach,</strong> or both GM and Coach, <strong>he knows how to get results with a shoestring budget.</strong>  And well, if you&#8217;re asking meeeeee who&#8217;d I&#8217;d rather have overseeing a team with a salary cap floor budget, Waddell or Lemaire, I&#8217;d pick Jacques Lemaire faster than you can say &#8220;Rumpelstiltskin.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff Fletcher&#039;s son Chuck is Ray Shero&#039;s assistant in PGH. He and Fenton (Poile&#039;s assistant) both used to work for the Ducks organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff Fletcher&#8217;s son Chuck is Ray Shero&#8217;s assistant in PGH. He and Fenton (Poile&#8217;s assistant) both used to work for the Ducks organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Sage of Bluesland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sage of Bluesland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASG and Don Waddell deserve each other...At least we showed a pulse as we closed out our second &quot;Five-Year Plan&quot;...We&#039;ll see what happens when the pressure is on from day-one.

Maybe, if we play bad next year, Don Waddell will finally be shown the door?  I can only hope and dream...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASG and Don Waddell deserve each other&#8230;At least we showed a pulse as we closed out our second &#8220;Five-Year Plan&#8221;&#8230;We&#8217;ll see what happens when the pressure is on from day-one.</p>
<p>Maybe, if we play bad next year, Don Waddell will finally be shown the door?  I can only hope and dream&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ranallo10 (in AT)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ranallo10 (in AT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, no...&lt;a href=&quot;http://predators.nhl.com/team/app/predators?page=NHLPage&amp;service=page&amp;bcid=tea_PaulFenton&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Fenton&lt;/a&gt; is the Assistant GM in Nashville.  I don&#039;t believe he&#039;s of any relation to Cliff Fletcher.

(I hope that linkage worked)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, no&#8230;<a href="http://predators.nhl.com/team/app/predators?page=NHLPage&amp;service=page&amp;bcid=tea_PaulFenton" rel="nofollow">Paul Fenton</a> is the Assistant GM in Nashville.  I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;s of any relation to Cliff Fletcher.</p>
<p>(I hope that linkage worked)</p>
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		<title>By: LAC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See when you have an OWNER, Like in Minnesota, a guy who wants to WIN, change is a good thing !

In Atlanta where you have a bunch of drunk clowns trying to play sports owners and failing at every turn, they cannot admit mistakes and forge a NEW direction, they want more losing which is Their NHL motto !..

And the Career Loser GM proves the point every day !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See when you have an OWNER, Like in Minnesota, a guy who wants to WIN, change is a good thing !</p>
<p>In Atlanta where you have a bunch of drunk clowns trying to play sports owners and failing at every turn, they cannot admit mistakes and forge a NEW direction, they want more losing which is Their NHL motto !..</p>
<p>And the Career Loser GM proves the point every day !</p>
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