Atlanta Hawks: Williams ‘excited’ about return to Atlanta
Vivlamore reporting.
Marvin Williams returns to Atlanta Friday as a member of the Jazz. The Hawks‘ first-round pick, No. 2 overall in 2005, was traded in the offseason after spending his first seven seasons in the organization. Although he won’t play due to inflammation in his right knee, Williams spoke to the AJC about the trade, his time in Atlanta and what kind of reception he might receive.
Q. What are your thoughts about coming back to Atlanta?
A. I’m really, really excited. A lot of those guys I haven’t seen or talked to since last season. Just to get a chance to get back to the city and see a lot of the people in the organization, see a lot of my friends, and I’m excited to get back there.
Q. It’s hard to keep in contact with people as an NBA player. You forge relationships and after such a transition you leave it all behind. Has that been hard?
A. It was difficult for me this summer to hear about the trade. You make friends with guys and you become close to people in the organization, people around the city. It’s like you are here today and gone tomorrow. With trades, I do understand the business. It happens in the NBA. I’ve seen guys come and go as well throughout my time in Atlanta. I know trades do happen and sometimes it ends up like that.
Q. Did the trade catch up by surprise?
A. I can’t necessarily say I was expecting it. I think anytime anybody is traded they are always surprised. It was just one of those things where I was working out and a couple of buddies of mine had told me they heard I got traded. During the summer time there are always rumors going around so I really didn’t pay too much attention. When I got done working out I had a couple voice mails from Rick Sund, my agent. I called Rick Sund back and he expressed to me that I may see it on TV or on Twitter but that I was going to be traded so he wanted to let me know firsthand. I greatly appreciated that. They did everything first class. They were awesome about the whole situation. When I got back to my house, I saw across the bottom of the (TV) screen that I got traded to Utah.
Q. It was Rick Sund who called you? Not Danny Ferry?
A. Actually Danny was on the line as well. I figured Rick reached out to me because he already knew me. I had never met Danny Ferry personally. I didn’t get a chance to speak to him when he got the job.
Q. What are your reflections about your time in Atlanta?
A. I had an absolute blast, man. Looking back on it since I have been gone, I had an absolute blast. The organization, the city, took care of me and watched me grow. You know I was 19 years old when I first got drafted and left when I was 26. I grew into a man before their eyes. As a basketball player, I became a better player each year. My memories of Atlanta I will never forget. I will be forever grateful to that organization for giving me an opportunity to live my dream.
Q. What kind of reaction to you think you might get from the crowd?
A. I don’t know. I guess I haven’t really thought too much about it, to be honest. I’ve always loved Atlanta fans. They’ve always come out and shown their support. They’ve always voiced their opinion. They’ve seen my good days. They’ve seen my bad days. I guess at the end of the day I hope they know that I really did appreciate playing for those guys.
Q. How disappointing is it to return but not get a chance to play?
A. Very, very, very. You get a chance to play against your old team and go back get a chance to play in front of some of the fans that liked you once again. I’ve been going through this knee thing for the last few weeks and it’s been tough. It’s disappointing that I won’t be able to play but at the end of the day I am a member of the Utah Jazz and I have to do what’s best for this organization.
Q. How is life in Utah? How is this new part of your career going?
A. I like it. When I first got traded to Utah my first thought was ‘I don’t know what I’m going to do in Utah.’ I had never spent much time there at all. We would fly in with Atlanta, get in at 1 or 2 in the morning, play the next night and leave. I never spent much time there. The people in Utah, the community, the fans, the people in the organization, everybody has been such a huge help. They’ve made me feel so comfortable since I touched down and I’m really enjoying it out there.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Section 303
January 10th, 2013
7:28 am
I hope Marvin does not fall off the NBA landscape. His season has been a struggle. I was happy when the Hawks traded him, but he seems to be a good guy. Wish him well.
Section 303
January 10th, 2013
7:33 am
I’m still p#ssed off about Saturday night’s loss to the Celtics. One, I hate the Celtics. They’re easily my least favorite team. Second, the 2nd half of that game has set the tone for this entire losing streak. The Hawks came out afraid (you could tell sitting in the stands). Thought this team was past that, but they aren’t. Strong chance this season turns in to a total disaster. This Hawks team just might not be very good.
Ray
January 10th, 2013
7:49 am
Ray
January 10th, 2013
5:52 am
I told you guys back when the season began we’re on track to where I feel like we were going to finish only winning minimum of 40-44 games no more than 48 games max.
I’m not the least bit surprised we’ve lost some of these games. Here is the thing though at 20-14 this team currently contrusted did you expect any more when you only have 2 centers 1 that is a true center?
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Ray
January 10th, 2013
5:54 am
Typo Constructed my bad
Still I’m going to say this need to make up your mind what you’d do with Devin Harris or Lou Williams one must go and one must stay for something better if you know what I mean.
Plus looking at the way things are now as in the Big Picture people like Petro are all but gone, and if you find an upgrade people like Morrow might be gone.
These two posts carried over from the last blog that was up.
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
7:51 am
it was a [turrible] pick
vava74
January 10th, 2013
8:02 am
We need a new Head Coach.
We need someone who would cherish Ivan and his attitude instead of despising him.
Laimbeer springs to mind as someone who would appreciate Ivan and would rub Al’s softness off with a metal scrub until he found the rugged PF/C hybrid we drafted.
Launching jumpers is no excuse to play soft. Laimbeer’s offensive game was based almost exclusive on 3 things: putbacks, elbow and baseline jumpers and 3 pointers.
Notwithstanding this his presence in the paint was ALWAYS felt.
Also, I don’t believe a single word that LD said about going to LA to make sure that Ivan re-signed with us.
If he did go, he must have been told to do so.
Ray
January 10th, 2013
8:06 am
Just to make that clear I carried those two posts over from the last blog.
Ray
January 10th, 2013
8:07 am
Vava74
Don’t worry after this season is done and gone we won’t hear of L.D anymore I’m certain in fact with coaching candidates that are out there right now yeah we can do a lot better than L.D at this point.
vava74
January 10th, 2013
8:14 am
I just want him out NOW.
Give the job to Conner until the end of the season. LD must go!
Lou, JJ2, KK, Josh and Ivan was the line up LD had on the floor when Irving scored the last 12 points of the 3rd quarter.
3 guys who have difficulty defending, being that 2 of them NEED to be fed shots when they are on the floor to justify playing time AND the 3rd guy being a guy who goes into 5 minutes periods in which he does not pass the rock to anyone…
Frankly, what else do we need to see to get this idiot fired?
Bandit
January 10th, 2013
8:15 am
This was a much better team with out Al Horford than with him. The A in Al is for Awful.
Last years team with out Al Kills this years team with Al ….
Al has got to go.
Just Joe
January 10th, 2013
8:18 am
Marvin is “very, very, very” disappinted he’s not going to get to go up against the defensive skills of Kyle Korver.
I also thnk it’s funny that Ferry never even took the time to meet Marvin. I think he knew before he signed his contract, that this kid had to go.
Just Joe
January 10th, 2013
8:31 am
I’m ready to see Ferry’s next trade. The first 3 were outstanding:
1) Joe Johnson for expiring contracts, a trade exception & draft picks.
2) Marvin Williams for an expiring contract.
3) Joe Johnson’s trade exception for Kyle Korver.
kuhndog
January 10th, 2013
8:38 am
I liked Marvin, good kid so so player. We definately could have got better talent with that pick.Marvin stands around on offense instead of moving w/o the ball, he did play the baselines good and was a fair defensive player. I hope he gets a warm welcome treating people with hate is not a good thing, it represents this town.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
January 10th, 2013
8:40 am
DF was just on 680. Did anyone catch it?
Also, is there some trick to posting here on iPhone? My username never saves
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
8:43 am
Co-sign Just Joe.
DF has set the bar very high for himself and this Franchise by stating that within 2 years hes sees an ELITE Atlanta basketball team.. He as a long way too go..
Andrew Wiggins= The next Lebron?
ag
January 10th, 2013
8:54 am
Funny, Marvin could help this team…I think…. but I did not want his contract.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
January 10th, 2013
8:56 am
How can a team that played so brilliantly AT OKC, MEM and destroyed the Bulls at home be losing to these teams now? Before MIN, I said anything worse than 3-1 in next 4 would be a disgrace
SMMFH
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
9:19 am
vava
Lou, KK & JJ together is a wonderful line-up
for Josh to excel.
Your point about defense notwithstanding.
The three guards you mentioned [playing together]
are not any worse than any other set of guards we have.
Teague has quit playing def for all practical purposes.
JJ & KK are well suited to team defense,
stay in position well, they are just not going to overwhelm
anyone with pressure.
Also Lou defends th pg pos at a much higher proficiency than the [2].
My overall point;
that line-up *’`should`’* have opened up the lane for Josh
to have a freakin` field day inside !
Did he take advantage ?
Please see my overall point;
which is not to extoll the virtue of three defenders,
but to reveal the opportunity Josh had and failed to see.
2nd Qtr same outfit;
Josh took three jump shots.
____________________________________________
Also understand that I see your overall point as well.
hfc95
January 10th, 2013
9:19 am
Anybody else notice Josh Smith not shoot that 3 at the end of the 3rd qtr, when he had 1.5 secs and he let it roll to half court and instead of easily getting a good look for a CHANCE at making it, he instead opts to not shoot to try to save his terrible 3pt% from being worse. THOSE are the little things that need to be changed on this team.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
9:24 am
Mr Ferry`s problem:
Money to $pend this $ummer but other than ChrisPaul
no one to Spend it on.
There are names but nobody that`s better than who we already have.
DF is gonna have to $wing a trade … $ooner or Later.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
January 10th, 2013
9:29 am
There ARE FAs out there this summer
Pekovic
Hickson
I’d take either of these dudes over Toilet Tissue Al and want Josh gone
Leon
January 10th, 2013
9:34 am
I thought the Joe Johnson trade would help Marvin excel as a Hawk, but he had to go also. The trade to Utah was a good trade for him, but it will be hard to be anything else but a journey man when his contract is up. I also think Al or Josh will be traded before the deadline also.
Astro Joe
January 10th, 2013
9:37 am
Classy guy, Marvin. Huge disappointment as a basketball player but someone whose life will likely serve humanity far more than some elite ball players (like megastar who struggles to pay his mortgage on his Atlanta home).
I heard the end of the Ferry interview on the radio. He kept saying “smart, solid, fast”. Repeated it 3 or more times. I thought to myself, well the Hawks are generally 1 of 3 in those categories.
Ray
January 10th, 2013
9:41 am
Here is the thing I hate one reason I’m not up in arms about anything dealing with the Hawks this year is because I knew this was going to happen.
Some of you guys act as if this team fielded on the floor are capable of the NBA Championship if they get there they overachieved big time.
Look relax just have fun at 20-14 y’all ready to blow it up again, and then we’ll get on a 5 game win streak everyone is happy again just chill out on the ride.
I’m saying it now Dwight Howard is out of L.A I believe, and honestly even though people might not want him on this team he might not make us Contenders for the title, but getting out the 2nd round I could see.
Also Chris Paul doubt he leaves LAC now just look at what’s going on there?
I see it like this if we’re going to make any noise going to have to wait for the draft trust me trading Devin Harris for a pick somewhere around 15-25 would be a nice start.
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
9:43 am
Too bad DF could not pull off a trade to get Cousins in here..The Hawks need an above average post presence on the low block every night..They have zilch as of now…
Al must be hurting? When was the last time you seen him shoot an 8 footer from 15?
Josh, shoot no more 3’s for the rest of the season.. Oh I forgot, you come to play as Bird/Josh..
Where is that mid-range? Shawty?
Ray
January 10th, 2013
9:47 am
@ Astro Joe
We’d fall into category of just fast.
Right now most fans see us as solid, but really we’re not in fact I really like some of these guys, but if there are upgrades get them like for instance I’d take Glen Davis > Ivan Johnson
That might not make people on this blog happy, but that’s a upgrade.
For the last time we are going to finally need a Center if we get one for a trade cool if not Draft one that would be good. Where is that one guy who actually dominated along with Jenkins in Summer League we need him back with the quickness lol.
Ray
January 10th, 2013
9:50 am
@ Slimjr
HA! You want Cousins here you’re asking for way more trouble then he’s worth, but who knows Mcgee changed his tune once he went to Denver so maybe Cousins might as well.
It’s just we got our own troubles with Josh do we want a second one.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
9:52 am
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
ATL has attempted 8 or fewer FTAs in 3 of last 6 games. By far their biggest weakness, as I wrote a few weeks ago: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/44408/an-eye-on-the-hawks …
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mike
January 10th, 2013
9:55 am
always liked marvin, hope he has a great career…good dude
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
9:57 am
I wonder what would happen if Marvin posted up Korver. The stoppable force vs. the movable object.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
9:59 am
Marvin certainly seems like a good guy, but “it was a terrible pick” and he’s looking like he’s going to be a minimum salary player for the rest of his career after his current contract expires.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
10:02 am
“Also, is there some trick to posting here on iPhone? My username never saves”
I don’t even see a comment box when I load this blog on my iPhone.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
10:10 am
Sure JJ and Pec are FA`s but neither are Franchise Players!
I understand there are pieces;
but that is what we are now … pieces.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
10:11 am
Peachtree Hoops has a Q&A with Al Horford up today.
hot.trod.87
January 10th, 2013
10:27 am
so emotional reading this
vava74
January 10th, 2013
10:35 am
Grandad,
Are you getting short sighted?
http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20130109&game=ATLCLE
Josh played the whole 3rd quarter.
He was 3/4 for 6 points, 2 rebounds (both offensive) had 1 assist and 2 blocks and committed 2 fouls.
WTF did Josh wrong during that 3rd quarter? What? 1 missed 3 pointer (which I acknowledge that he should not have attempted) is what it takes for your to focus on him?
Lou monopolized the rock when he was on the floor, never got ANYONE involved (wasting KK and JJ2’s presence on the floor – KK had 2 FGA (from 3) and JJ zero FGA) and played ZERO D on Irving when that kid went on a tear.
Teague has disappointed, I don’t contest that, but to say that Lou plays or played better D at the PG slot than Teague is preposterous.
Teague usually plays better to close games, including defensively.
If you look at the link above you’ll see that CLE lead went up EXACTLY when LD took Al off and played with 3 small or defenseless guys the rest of the quarter (initially Teague, Lou, JJ2 – for 1 minute – and then KK, JJ2 and Lou for the last 3 minutes in which we were outscored by TEN points, all coming from Irving).
Since Irving scored 18 in the third quarter and the last 12 coming as consecutive points to close the quarter, at least 12 out of those 18 were scored against Lou IN THREE F&%$ING MINUTES.
This also means that AT BEST, Irving scored 6 points against Teague in the 8 minutes and 53 seconds of floor time in which he was on the floor, whilst HE (Teague) scored 7.
FACTS!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
January 10th, 2013
10:38 am
Najeh,
To post, you must then off mobile view on bottom of blog.
Still a royal pain in the Azz though
JM
January 10th, 2013
10:38 am
Been off the blog for a while – to much Josh vs. Al bull. But I want to know what’s up with the D. My biggest concern is the points being put-up against us. The dribble penatration and 3 point d is awful.
Best post from last blog to The Truth – “THAT PLAY WAS OFFENSIVE, LARRY DREW!!!!!!!”
Team might have started to tune LD out.
Go Hawks!
And stand up ATL! Go Falcons!
vava74
January 10th, 2013
10:39 am
Najeh,
You can change from “mobile” to “regular” at the bottom of the page and – as far as I know – only then you can post.
As for GM (JeJe)’s difficulties, I can only say the following:
1. I have no problem posting on “regular” view and it stores my name and e-mail. Perhaps you have to adjust settings on the Safari.
2. Alternatively, reduce the size of your handle; OR
3. Before posting, copy your name so you can paste it (still leaving you to fill in the e-mail address).
doc
January 10th, 2013
10:40 am
really good guy
if he could have ony come close to the numbers of the guy he was supposed to emulate al harrington. got close before he turned 22 then over the hill. go figure never seemed to work on anything to get better. good video gamer and movie critic. sweet guy and wish him well. right rod?
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
10:48 am
vava
What are we saying different ?
I said last eve;
whether it`s Josh floating or Lou not passing or whatever;
Josh should have feasted while being in the middle of that line-up.
Hell Blame LD, Blame Josh, Blame Lou …
it didn`t happen did it !
I was building on your comment.
Short sighted my ass.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
10:51 am
I reckon if one doesn`t kiss Josh`s tail end
with every comment around here ,
then that person will be taken out and flogged.
My gosh, what is it with the
ManLove for Josh Club these Days !
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
10:55 am
vava
Maybe someone will listen now when I say
Lou nor Teague wish to throw the ball to KKorv
and it looks to be the same deal for the kid JJenkins.
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
10:56 am
Welcome back Marv. LOL
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
10:58 am
No … that would never happen …
Teague;
looks at Korv coming off a screen,
then turns a blind eye.
Naw !
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
11:00 am
Some of yawl just watch what you want to see.
You don`t watch the game.
Try watching the game within the game;
I`m certain DannyFerry is watching.
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
11:05 am
“I reckon if one doesn`t kiss Josh`s tail end
with every comment around here ,
then that person will be taken out and flogged.”
I reckon that when you post a bunch of nonsense, some pople here will call you out on it. Myself and Vava never agree, but trust me you and him were not saying the same thing. Tou were finding a way to blame Josh again for something that did not exist. He corrected you with facts and now you have your panty’s in a bunch.
Astro Joe
January 10th, 2013
11:07 am
Regarding summer spending spree (and possible inability to land elite players). Dallas had a lot of cap space this past summer. Dwight was supposed to be a UFA (before he agreed to stay for the extra year and then begged out of Orlando) and Deron was also available. When they failed to land an elite FA, they opted to sign players who weren’t able to find a long-term deal at the desired salary. So they gave Kamen and Mayo a contract with a 1-year opt-out. Those guys get to prove why they are worthy of a lucrative and long-term deal while Dallas maintains cap flexibility for the coming summer.
I can immediately think of two players who potentially would be in a position where they need to prove they are worthy of a long-term contract. Andrew Bynum and Greg Oden. I could envision a scenario where Bynum signs a 2 year, $20M contract with an opt-out after the first year. Oden may be closer to something like 2 years @ $15M. Because these are injury risks (which was not true with Mayo & Kamen) the team may also want some protection. If it works in the CBA, maybe both sides have the ability to end the deal after 1 season.
i think there could be some players who are more like Kamen and Mayo… productive guys who feel they are getting low-balled and refuse to sign a multi-year contract that is beneath their perceived value. Ferry could find those guys and add them as well.
None of these are ideal and clearly signing or trading for an elite player is the preferred way to go. I was just outlining maybe a plan B or C or D approach. And something that has been used by other franchises previously.
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
11:10 am
“Some of yawl just watch what you want to see.
You don`t watch the game”
If you watched the game, what was your opinion of Al Horford. What’s you overall opinion of his defense. What’s your opinion of his help defense. What about his post game? Is Kyle Korver still a good defender? Lou and defends should not be included in the same sentence, and I love Lou (no homo). Are you sure you are watching the same games that we watch, or has it just become a hate on Josh thing for you. Who was the best defensive player on the floor for both teams last night?
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
11:13 am
Fact:
The Hawks shot 5 free-throws and made 2..
AllStar AL had zero,zilch,nada attempts at the Stripe!
Yes bring in Cousins..
Offensively DeMarcus> AL, Josh, and D12 @ 22 years of age already..
Just Joe
January 10th, 2013
11:15 am
They were kind of saying the same thing. Grandad said “Josh should have had a field day”…Vava showed Josh was 3 of 4 with a missed 3 pointer while playing the entire quarter (not exactly having a “field day”).
Only difference is Grandad blamed Josh for (I guess) not being assertive, and Vava blames Lou for not initiating offense & LD for what he considers a bad lineup combination.
Plenty of blame to go around in my opinion.
vava74
January 10th, 2013
11:20 am
KK is a disciplined defender who lacks the physical skills to defend man to man well.
Usually he gets on the right spots and at least does not misses defensive rotations, etc.
That does not make him a good defender, merely a reliable team defender/player who will not be able to check out premier/top grade offensive talents (PP, Lebron, Granger, …), hence, on a playoff team, it makes him a BENCH player.
Lou is an erratic player and that is on BOTH ends of the floor.
There are games in which is puts better effort on D than others and there are match ups in which he is able to give sufficient/acceptable opposition and others in which he doesn’t.
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
11:20 am
A sign of desperation:
Coach Drew calling out his team as playing SOFT publicly..
He may have loss them.. They do not appear to be responding.
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
11:23 am
Hey Danny now your BIGS are being exposed for who they really are? Hmmmm
Your guards apparently can’t carry them anymore?
Heck they cant carry themselves..Oh the Humanity…
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
11:23 am
Marvin Williams= zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
11:24 am
Marvin would have to pay me to watch him ball..
Better entertainment down at the local gym….
hfc95
January 10th, 2013
11:26 am
A few trade ideas
Horford($12M) Morrow ($4M) to PHOX for Gortat($7.2M) Beasley($5.8M) Telfair($1.6M)
Our lineup- Jeff Lou Beasley Josh Gortat
super deep bench-d.harris korver, jj2, zaza, ivan, telfair, stevson
Devin ($8.5M) Petro ($3.5M) & our two 1sts to SAC for Cousins($3.8M) Salmons($8M)
Since SAC will more than likely go to SEA they may be willing to shed a bad contract in salmons and ship out Cousins and look to rebuild fresh in a new city with receiving expiring contracts and having an extra 2 1sts to rebuild a dynasty in the northwest
Lineup-Jeff Korver Josh AL Cousins
Bench Lou, jj2, stevson, salmons, Ivan, Zaza
I also think we take the risk on cousins. he is 22 and the best offensive big in the league and he has played on a team with no help or leaders and has still been awesome(off court/locker room incidents aside). He needs to be on a playoff team and I think his attitude would greatly change. Also he is from Bama and maybe being closer to home would help as well.
Im not over reacting to our recent skid, I have said before the season we will make the playoffs regardless if we stay at 3 or slide to 6. We need a shakeup and I doubt we land any big time FA next summer even with our cap room. GM DF needs to make a move to get a guy soon otherwise I see slim pickins for us this summer. I think we end up like dallas with a lot of new role players and stay mediocre if we dont make a proactive move for a big time guy.
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
11:31 am
“Only difference is Grandad blamed Josh for (I guess) not being assertive, and Vava blames Lou for not initiating offense & LD for what he considers a bad lineup combination.”
Sounds totally different to me.
“Marvin would have to pay me to watch him ball..
Better entertainment down at the local gym….”
If I was playing at Run & Shoot back in the summers and Marvin was standing on the sideline wanting to run, I would pick somebody else. Real talk.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
11:31 am
All-Right Rod f C.P. follow along:
vava @ 3:59 am on 09/10/13
““Al (-2) Josh (-13)
“Nearly that entire difference comes from the end of the 3rd quarter,
when the Cavs went on a run after LD took Al out in favor of Jenkins
(who didn’t play well today).
Plus/minus numbers can say a lot of things
if you take them out of context (kind of like every other stat).”
vava was discussing the (+/-) stat … sir … to put it in context
That was what my whole rationale was to begin with !
How he should have feasted within that personnel grouping.
And he dang well should have !
Blame who the heck you wish;
Blame blasted BillyKnight I don`t care.
Lou, Korv, JJenkins Shoud open the middle for somebody
who wants to SCORE INSIDE ! By Golly !
_____________________________________________
I proceded to follow vava`s posts and if I ripped anyone it was
TEAGUE.
For lack of defense !
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
January 10th, 2013
11:41 am
Thanks Vava. I just find that sometimes I cannot see what I am typing
FIRE LD
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
11:43 am
Continuing with Rod;
1st of all I don`t wear panties;
If `n I wear anything at all it would be drawers.
____________________________________________
Josh blocked 6 shots last nite.
I made the statement;
partially directed at Slimjr;
-paraphrase-
We should not blame our bigs so much for not
blocking enough shots,
`cause there are so many shots at the rim.
Our guards can`t guard beans.
I have been on Teague more than anyone if you would notice !
But No;
You must protect Josh from any perceived slight.
____________________________________________
I have already stated Al showed up for 1 Qtr last eve then disappeared.
You do not ever say anything but what you wish to take out of context.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
11:46 am
Let`s go Rod;
follow vava`s line of reasoning on the (+/-) stat
and comment.
Put something into context w/o diving into the shallow end
before checking for depth.
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
11:47 am
“THE SHIP BE SINKING” -Knick Two Guard-
Update:
The Hawks have been passed by Indiana and Chicago in the Conference standings while losing 5 of the last 6 games played. They are currently a 5th seed and sliding fast.
The Nets should pass them by Monday if not sooner, being only a half game back in the standings. The Nets are red hot now with their new coach at 6-1 on a 4 game winning streak..The Bucks are only 2.5 games back and Boston is only 3 games behind.. Boston will catch them by the end of the month if not sooner..
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
11:50 am
“Only difference is Grandad blamed Josh for * (I guess)
not being assertive, and Vava blames Lou
for not initiating offense & LD for what he considers
a bad lineup combination.”
* Sounds totally different to me.
___________________________________________
Thats you Rod:
” I guess & it sounds ”
Nothing clear and concrete, no facts.
master of conjecture, out of context !
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
11:56 am
“Josh blocked 6 shots last nite.
I made the statement;
partially directed at Slimjr;
-paraphrase-
We should not blame our bigs so much for not
blocking enough shots,
`cause there are so many shots at the rim.
Our guards can`t guard beans.”
So if there are so many shots to block at the rim, because are guards can’t guard, is not not the responsibility of the bigs to HELP an protect the rim, or was Josh just being the lone ranger and doing that on his own. Hell Zaza even had a block. Al Horford-0 blocks, 1 foul, 0 free throws, but your response is Josh should have been more assertive and attacked the paint. If he did that he would obviously be doing something different than the coach is telling them to do, because not one of our bigs attacked the paint after the first quarter. This team lives and dies by the jumper, we see that every night.
Chris Vivlamore
January 10th, 2013
11:59 am
What’s a troll? Someone who posts more than 30 times as 11 different people between 10:20 p.m. and 1:14 a.m. Oh wait, all those posts are gone. See ya troll!
Ryder
January 10th, 2013
11:59 am
No surprise here, I said from the jump that the Hawks were 7th or 8th seeded talent, which isn’t all bad considering they are in a rebuilding stage. LD better start worrying more about their poor offensive output or he will be on the outside looking in come July.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
12:10 pm
Haha @ the unbridled enthusiasm C-Viv shows when dispatching trolls.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
January 10th, 2013
12:11 pm
If we can’t beat Detroit or Cleveland, we can’t beat anyone. We could lose the next 40
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
12:19 pm
“If we can’t beat Detroit or Cleveland, we can’t beat anyone. We could lose the next 40″
When the jumpers are falling we can beat anyone, we they are not we could lose to anyone. Problem is the jumpers usually don’t fall in the playoffs which means well you know what it means.
James Nales
January 10th, 2013
12:25 pm
Wish you well, but glad you are no longer a Hawk. Things I looked for you to do like be a strong rebounder, go to the hoop with the ball, rarely happened
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm
Rod
Where are the quotes around the statement attributed to me;
but your response is:
Josh should have been more assertive and attacked the paint ?
Oh there are none.
Because I did not say that, and you know I did not.
Quit changing my words.
My initial statement was about (+/-) stat regarding
vava`s original post.
I was very clear in explaining that.
I stand by my statement:
If Josh is in with Lou, KK, & JJ;
spreading the floor / [spacing] Josh *’`should`’*
have a field day inside.
If he wishes.
If LD wishes.
If they pass him the ball.
If he makes his shots.
If he actually posts up.
If he runs from the def end to the offensive end of the floor.
If he catches the ball.
If Hell does not freeze over.
If Hell does freeze over.
Unless Ivan kicks his ass out and does it himself !
vava74
January 10th, 2013
12:38 pm
Grandad,
I stated FACTS that show you that all that you said about Teague and Lou on that post was bullsh!t.
Teague has been disappointing but Irving went on a tear ON LOU scoring at least 12 of his 18 third quarter points during the 3 minutes which Teague was not on the floor.
Remember, you stated that Lou was someone who defended better than Teague!!
THESE ARE FACTS
Also, if you have Lou playing PG, 7 or 8 out of 10 games in which that happens you’ll see that the offense is dead.
It’s not Lou’s fault, it’s LD’s.
On the contrary, 7 or 8 times out of 10, Teague will do a DECENT job finding the open man and using his dribble penetration to find the open man.
Lou is not incapable of doing it, simply it’s not his game and when you mess with someone’s game and try to make it different, you better know exactly what you are doing and BE CONSISTENT and not helter skelter about it since that will only give you the worst of that player can give you.
Same sh!t happened with Jamal who LD insisted in playing at the PG slot with ALWAYS the same result against quality teams.
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January 10th, 2013
12:40 pm
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Grandad
January 10th, 2013
12:42 pm
The defensive stats you mentioned were out of context with
the alternate narrative.
You asked that I say something about Al;
I did.
You, flipped the context, once again.
Try and stay with one line of discourse at a time.
Otherwise;
someone may confuse you to be a politician
-or worse-
a republican !
vava74
January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm
Grandad,
How could Josh have a field day inside if Lou does not know how to man an offense and does not pass the rock?
HOW?
Lou spent those 3 minutes looking for his shot and having trouble even dribbling the ball passed the half court.
Astro Joe
January 10th, 2013
12:46 pm
C-Viv, talking smack to the troll. You Go, Boy!
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
12:57 pm
vava;
What in tarnation are you saying.
This is my original Post !
Please Point out The B.S.
I never contradicted one word you said in your entire post
other than to say That Line-up *’`Should`’* have been good for Josh.
____________________________________________
Lou, KK & JJ together is a wonderful line-up
for Josh to excel.
*{{Your point about defense notwithstanding}}.
The three guards you mentioned [playing together]
are not any worse than any other set of guards we have.
Teague has quit playing def for all practical purposes.
JJ & KK are well suited to team defense,
stay in position well, they are just not going to overwhelm
anyone with pressure.
** {{ Also Lou defends th pg pos
at a much higher proficiency than the [2] }}
* {{My overall point;
that line-up *’`should`’* have opened up the lane for Josh
to have a freakin` field day inside}} !
Did he take advantage ? {{ NO }}
**{{ and Yes I See Your Point }} !
Please see my overall point;
which is not to extoll the virtue of three defenders,
but to reveal the opportunity Josh had and failed to see.
** {{ Where was Josh / Was He Posted Callin g For The Ball }}
*** {{ I Do Not Know }}
2nd Qtr same outfit;
Josh took three jump shots.
*{{ FACT }} !
____________________________________________
** {{ Please Note the Following Statement }} !
*{{ Also understand that I see your overall point as well.}}
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm
Scary when your perimeter defense starts to look like Bibby at the point of attack two years ago and add that your 5/4[The Matrix] has lost perhaps a step…
Have they not taken steps backwards?.. Wheres ios when ya need him? lol
Keith
January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm
ESPN.GO.COM MIAMI HEAT PURSUING GREG ODEN?
Greg Oden, a former No. 1 overall pick of the Portland Trail Blazers who has had his career derailed by knee injuries, has decided to make a return to the court, according to sources
Samurai Squirrel
January 10th, 2013
12:59 pm
Obviously C-viv is keeping an eye on the posts. Love the dedication!
vava74
January 10th, 2013
1:08 pm
Grandad,
WTF are you talking about? You put a completely disjointed line up on the floor and Josh is the one “missing opportunities to excel and failing to see what??”
The only thing that Josh failed to see during that period was the ball because he never got it. There was NO BALL rotation, no nothing.
It was a STUPID COMPLETELY MAKESHIFT DONE ON THE SPOT LINE UP.
I can bet that Lou, JJ2, KK, Josh and Ivan never, ever shared the court together all at the same time (even on practice) until yesterday.
That was the true expression of LD’s incompetence, NOT AN OPPORTUNITY.
Slimjr
January 10th, 2013
1:10 pm
iso*
Rod from College Park
January 10th, 2013
1:19 pm
“My overall point;
that line-up *’`should`’* have opened up the lane for Josh
to have a freakin` field day inside !
Did he take advantage ?
Please see my overall point;
which is not to extoll the virtue of three defenders,
but to reveal the opportunity Josh had and failed to see.”
What part of that is not blaming Josh? I never put words in you mouth, which you continue to say, I was responding to Just Joe. He failed to see it huh? LOL
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
1:24 pm
vava
” How could Josh have a field day inside
if Lou does not know how to man an offense
and does not pass the rock? ”
The above question was never at the center of my narrative;
nor was the fact that neither was Josh assertive.
`Though both were integral to the central question;
which I believed to be:
Josh had a -10 (+/-) stat in the 3rd Qtr and that stat
can and was deceiving.
I believe the (+/-) stat must be used in conjunction with
surrounding teammates.
I believed that to be your original point.
I was not only supporting that point but further expressing
my belief in the same.
Also, when looking at floor spacing;
in theory KK, JJ, & Lou should give us our best opportunity
to score in the post.
Looking purely from a spacing perspective.
I also made the statement that Lou defends the pg pos
better than he defends the [2] pos.
For which I will stand by that statement as well.
Everything I said was [in essence] supporting
your original premise.
If you and Rod wish to continue to debate otherwise …
enjoy your dupicitasmyopia.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
1:27 pm
*whoops [duplicitasmyopia]
I left out the ” L ”
It is a made up word anyway.
vava74
January 10th, 2013
1:28 pm
Grandad,
What happened in those last 3 minutes of the 3rd court HAD NOTHING TO DO with what Josh did or could have done.
NOTHING.
He may do many things wrong but last night he had LITTLE responsibility for what happened.
Did he have a bad stretch where he settled for jumpshots? Sure, but that was a drop of water in the ocean. A DROP.
You can only place blame on JOSH for what happened on the 3rd quarter if you consider that he is at the level of Lebron.
vava74
January 10th, 2013
1:29 pm
And even Lebron would not have been able to stop Irvin from scoring 18 points in that quarter and in particular those last 12 points of the quarter.
Lebron on those last 3 minutes would have made little difference.
jlewis
January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm
This is the same team without JJ and Marvin, if they were the problem why are we not better. I know many hated JJ on this site, but I will make anyone a bet that over the next 3 years, the hawks will not find a 6′8 guard that can shoot it, defend his spot and play 3 positions without paying the max for. Josh soured Joe with his ability to want to play the point, always arguing calls, killing momentum. The comments of Joe passing it to Josh at the 3 point line is why Josh took so many threes, Joe’s gone, Josh is shooting more 3’s.
People argued Joe was slowing Teague’s growth, he’s worse, Al is still Al, no defense. The Hawks would have contended for a championship if they would have traded Al or Josh, this roster is still unbalanced.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
1:31 pm
“I can bet that Lou, JJ2, KK, Josh and Ivan never, ever shared the court together all at the same time (even on practice) until yesterday.”
This is correct. In fact Ivan has only been on the court with both Lou and Jenkins at the same time for 8 minutes this season until last night.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
1:32 pm
^Make that 14 minutes.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 10th, 2013
1:34 pm
“And even Lebron would not have been able to stop Irvin from scoring 18 points in that quarter and in particular those last 12 points of the quarter.
Lebron on those last 3 minutes would have made little difference.”
Here I don’t agree. Ball pressure makes a huge difference. Teague was slicing and dicing the Celtics in the first half and then was completely taken out of the game in the 2nd half when Avery Bradley started pressuring him. Irving is a better player, but at the very least, ball pressure would have made it tougher for him to initiate the offense. Teague is easily capable of pressuring, at least every now and then, and the Hawks should probably use him more in that role.
Chris Vivlamore
January 10th, 2013
1:35 pm
New blog posted. Rivers calls ’sour grapes’ on Ferry.
Grandad
January 10th, 2013
1:47 pm
Once again Rod;
pick out one statement out of context.
Yes,
Just Joe did say that.
Did you quote Just Joe ?
Was it in quotes ?
No – you referred it to me.
I said I stand by that statement.
Did Josh fail to see the opportunity ?
You tell me.
Did he Post up stongly and call for the ball ?
You tell me ?
There was no blame.
Why are you so into putting blame onto everything ?
Can a person make an observation w/o vilifying someone ?
_____________________________________________
Quit jumping around Rod;
stick to one item at a time and stay in context.
Random quotes, this and that, here and there, hither and yon.
____________________________________________
Rod;
if I said:
player X has the basketball IQ of a Border Collie ?
*Would that be a negative statement ?
*Would that be a compliment ?
*Would it be insensitive ?
*Would it be mis-leading ?
*Would you be confused ?
*Would it piss you off ?
*Would it cause you to scratch your head ?
Peter
January 10th, 2013
4:33 pm
Marvin was just soft……. I saw him at the Petsmart in Sandy Springs, and thought gee does the guy even lift weights ?
I saw Rip Hamilton push him to the ground on a box out in a game.
My gosh, what is it with the ManLove for Josh Club these Days !
I have posted i think he is a coach killer… all those 3 point shots, not good at the foul line, plays way to far away from the basket…. but hey that is my opinion.
Just like I think Al is too small to play the 1…. Hubie Brown commented…….He is a body of a 4 playing the center position.
KBP
January 10th, 2013
5:05 pm
Al and Josh are too limited offensively to be cornerstone players let alone franchise players. This is a perimeter team without cornerstone (Westbrook) or franchise(Durant) perimeter players. They will fight to hold onto the 8th seed. Really think Ferry is positioning for FA’s this summer and a lottery pick. Should start Jenkins at 2 to see what he can do. I have no problem with Teague, he just needs a real 2 and a better offensive scheme. Josh is not a 3 and Al is too limited as a 4. Trade Al straight up for Gortat if Phoenix would do it. Teague, Jenkins, Stephenson, Smith, Gortat. Jenkins and Stephenson can shoot 3’s off Teague’s penetration and let Josh and Marcin do the dirty work. Lou,Zsa Zsa, Ivan, Korver, Morrow, Harris off the bench. Next season, give either Van Gundy a shot. Not a LD fan. Should have kept Woodson and gave him better talent.
Williams Boys
January 11th, 2013
7:24 am
At least Marvin isn’t the worst of the Williams boys. Sheldon “the Landlord” Williams is out of the NBA and playing in Europe. What a complete joke. Great pick Billy Knight!
Mike is Back
January 11th, 2013
10:34 am
WOW, even Marvin is looking forward to playing us.lol
At the end of the day…it comes down to coaching. Are the lineups you’re putting on the floor…giving your team the best opportunity to win games…based on your current personnel.
Also, why the heck do Zaza and Ivan have to struggle so hard to get PT?
Roy Marble
January 11th, 2013
11:54 am
Overall, I have not been disappointed in the Hawks play. There are several changes they need to consider, however. Play Ivan more- I don’t understand Drews reluctance to play him? If Teague will not push the ball more consistently, bench him for Harris. Bench Josh every time he shoots beyond 15 feet. Return Lou to the bench- we were winning more with his offense off the bench. Try to aquire a taller guard. We should still make the playoffs, but not sure about advancing..
cdog
January 11th, 2013
12:38 pm
are the hawks still playing or are they just showing up for a paycheck? thats the size of it
cdog
January 11th, 2013
1:06 pm
failure to get a center to start opposite of al hortford will doom the hawks season.they are headed to not making the playoffs if this continues which it looks as though it will.
sam'l
January 11th, 2013
2:20 pm
Marvin sounds good on this interview, but he also sounds disconnected from reality. He also could have done a lot more to have helped his team here, the kind of help that could have put us over the top.
Yes, how could this team look so great and win against good teams and then fold to “bad” teams? Drugs perhaps? Parties? The same kind of disconnected thought? Did scouts see enough tape to figure out the new Hawks? Lack of spirit?
Sorry, I don’t see any viable answers on this blog other than to come up with a new coach. Josh needs to be retrained. Horford needs more moves. Teague still needs a brain. The whole team needs heart and courage. A real coach is “a real coach who has been successfull in this league before,” not an assistant and not a knockabout coach. Laimbeer is a terrible idea as are most mentions. Why? I don’t want a bunch of bangers and thugs and people trying to injure people. I want an intelligent, hard working, group of athletes who come out and shoot and shoot and practice on their individual defects and have enough pride to beat Cleveland, Detroit as a matter of course and go out and prove to Miami and Boston and everyone else that they are a great ball club, Starting with foul shooting, shot selection, picking and rolling, and running and running and blocking out and defending…starting with that…….individual lock down defense……..creative mind like Rondo without the gangsta
The only mistake I made this year was underestimating Golden State. Mark Jackson sounded like an idiot on his broadcasts to me, a total downer…….but he (and Woody) showed they could coach.
Tri-Cities Blackhawks
January 11th, 2013
2:46 pm
Who is Marvin Williams?