Atlanta Hawks: Drew makes it clear that Teague needs to play with energy (updated)
Vivlamore reporting.
Larry Drew didn’t like the way Jeff Teague was playing. So the Hawks coach let his point guard know about it.
During halftime of last week’s lopsided loss at the 76ers, Drew pulled Teague aside to hammer home the message that he needed more energy from the position. The following night, Teague set the tone early in a lopsided win over the Bulls. Next, Teague scored nine points in double overtime en route to a Hawks victory Wednesday over the Pistons that came after a blown 22-point fourth-quarter lead.
“When he’s not bringing the energy, it’s my job to let him know,” Drew said. “I told him he was not bringing energy. For whatever reason, it was not there and he needed to bring it. He didn’t have a good night that night but he came back the following night against Chicago and I thought he played much, much better.
“It all starts with him. … That point guard position is a very high energized position. I’ve made him aware of it and I’ll continue to make him aware of it. I need energy from that spot. When he brings it, he makes us an effective ball club.”
The Hawks (17-9) will need similar energy from Teague in Friday’s game at the Cavaliers (7-23). It was the Cavaliers who erased a nine-point fourth-quarter lead in a 113-111 victory over the Hawks on Nov. 30 at Philips Arena. The winning points came on Alonzo Gee’s put-back with four-tenths of a second remaining.
In snapping the Hawks’ six-game win streak, the Cavaliers played without point guard Kylie Irving, out with a broken finger. He’s back now. Irving figures to give the Hawks more fits with his ability to dribble penetrate, an issue for the Hawks in the first meeting even without the start guard.
“Easier said than done,” Teague said of the task of slowing Irving. “He’s really talented. He can make shots. He can do a lot with the basketball. Try to go out there, keep a lot of bodies in his face, make him see a wall of defenders in transition and try to go at him at the offensive end.”
Teague had five points and three assists in the loss to the 76ers. He came back with 11 points and eight assists against the Bulls and a double-double of 17 points and 11 assists against the Pistons.
“I’ve tried to make a conscious effort to come out with a lot of energy and push the basketball and playing a more up-tempo style,” Teague said of the past two games. “I think that gets everybody going.”
The Hawks insist they don’t view Friday’s game with a revenge factor. Although the Cavaliers snapped a win streak, the Hawks escaped with a couple of victories in the run. They included a last-second victory over the Wizards and a three-point win over the Bobcats.
“It’s just about getting a win,” center Al Horford said. “Obviously, we dodged some bullets here at home from some other teams. We kind of felt we were living on the edge a little bit and one was going to catch up with us. Cleveland got us that night. It’s about us going up there and getting a win.”
Practice update: Guard Devin Harris will miss his fifth straight game with a sore left foot as he did not travel with the Hawks to Cleveland. Harris was a limited participant in Thursday’s practice.
Josh Smith remains eighth among Eastern Conference frontcourt players in NBA All-Star fan balloting released by the league Thursday. Smith has 111,260 votes. He is behind Joakim Noah (129,331) and ahead of Anderson Varejao (99,955).
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northcyde
December 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
LOL . . he is always calling out Teague.
northcyde
December 27th, 2012
1:53 pm
1ST OVERTIME
- 4:16 . . Lou drives all the way to the baseline, drawing 2 people, so he passes it out to Josh, who is camped out by the 3 point line. With 15 seconds still on the shot clock, and a man coming out at him, he shoots the rainbow 3 . . . airball. Just a horrific shot from Josh at that point in the game.
- 2:00 . . . Horford passes it to Josh in the post, and the Hawks let him go to work. He shoots a quick left hand hook over Charlie V, but he misses. Not the best shot in the world, but better than a contested 3.
- 0:03 . . . Only time to pretty much do one move and shoot. Although Lou pops out toward the inbounder, the pass goes to Josh down on the block vs Charlie V. He does a probe dribble into the lane, but every other Piston stays on their man. Josh’s shoot a fadeaway in the lane that hits the front rim. We go to another OT.
2ND OVERTIME
- 4:45 . . . Lou and Josh run a pick and roll on the right side. Lou is too far out and is doubled at the 3 point line, so he passes to an open Josh along the baseline. Monroe or Drummond rotate over to Josh, who takes 2 dribbles toward the basket. When the Piston bumps into Josh and falls down, Josh shoots an open 14 foot jumper . . . airball again. Josh holds his hands out by his side like . . “why didn’t you call that foul ref?”
- 2:23 . . . With the Hawks up 3, Josh gets the ball at the top of the key. Lou comes off of a Horford pick and Josh tosses an alley-oop to Lou. Needless to say, that play didn’t work. Lou couldn’t control the pass, and it goes out of bounds.
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Too bad for Josh. Overall, he had a great game. But those final 20 or so minutes that he played was less to be desired. I’m just glad that we didn’t lose.
northcyde
December 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
It’s always about “Energy” with Drew. Maybe the Hawks need to make some uniforms out of solar panels, so that the Hawks will never run out of energy.
northcyde
December 27th, 2012
1:56 pm
Rusty . . . what you think about Drew calling out Teague?
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
1:57 pm
LARRY, YOU ARE FULL OF COW EXCREMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
1:58 pm
lol @ northcyde…. Solar Panels… I’ll call Georgia Power to see how much that would cost
Rod from College Park
December 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
LD really has a problem with Teague, Ivan and it seems Morrow is added to that list. No matter how well they play they either can’t get regular minutes, or they need to play with more energy. No statements about Josh jacking up 3’s at the wrong time, Horford letting guards come into the paint at will or Lou Williams taking any shot he wants to. LD is a funny guy.
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
“Al for Cousins. I would offer Al, as I believe Josh is more dynamic on both ends, and he is the hometown star. That balances the team.” -Duluth Joe-
You’ll have to give up more than AL more than likely..Don’t know if AL has as much value to GM’s through out the league as we believe on this blog?
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
I dont mind a coach calling out his players, but be EQUAL!. Teague is the young guy of the group, so Drew isnt scared to call him out. Smoove doesnt get called out, Al doesnt get called out, neither does Lou. But Teague gets called out, and taken out of the game Way too much.
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
2:03 pm
The [Escort Service] was in full effect last night.. Nothing new there..His help defense is non-existent…
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
2:05 pm
Interior defense is very soft.Nobody is afraid to come into the paint and dominate our Bigs!!!!!
Even little point guards feast in there….
Peter
December 27th, 2012
2:06 pm
Well at least we don’t have Joe Johnson here any longer !
Jamaaliver
December 27th, 2012
2:10 pm
The reason Teague gets pulled so often and not josh or AL is because there are other options on the bench capable of producing at PG.
Not so much at Center & PF.
doc
December 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
slimj from last blog i agreed and emphasized how lin has done it while unchanging and with class.
that is brief version.
with cviv and his quick pace and off button to prior blogs i am going to maybe start copying all my comments until i am sure he has not struck quickly again. .:-)
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
“Al for Cousins. I would offer Al, as I believe Josh is more dynamic on both ends, and he is the hometown star. That balances the team.” -Duluth Joe-
You’ll have to give up more than AL more than likely..Don’t know if AL has as much value to GM’s through out the league as we believe on this blog?”
Slim, you are on it sir! I guarantee you LD would throw LD in on a trade to move him. I don’t think he will ever give JT the confidence to run his team. So much for LD never calling his players out for all to see.
Jamaal, Ivan has plenty of talent and is used in small spurts. Wonder why LD keeps him glued to the bench despite what Josh does? To me, LD learned nothing about how well we can play without Al….
You think we struggle with 9-23 Cleveland? I do.
Despite the Avery firing, I still believe he was a better choice than LD.
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
haha, LD would throw in LD…..you know I meant JT!
ILL-Logical
December 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
Atlanta Hawks: Drew makes it clear that Teague needs to play with energy (updated).
Translation: Your job is at stake!
hfc95
December 27th, 2012
2:52 pm
BREAKING NEWS
Brooklyn Nets fire Avery Johnson!!
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
“Hawks blog posted. Drew met with Teague to increase energy level. http://bit.ly/V7TGlL #ATLHawks”
What next? Will LD give more splinters to Ivan if Josh keeps throwing up airballs?
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
LD sits Teague becasie he doesnt believe in him. Ivan and ZaZa have more than showed they can produce off the bench. LD seems intimidated, which is why i dont think he’s here next year.
hfc95
December 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
Its funny to think the Hawks can’t beat Clev when Irving was injured but now Varejao is injured and with him gone I think we will beat Clev by 10+ pts. Varejao completley destroyed us last game with 20pts 18rbs(7offensively) so with him out all clev has now is zeller but he is not someone that I worry about, Clev will be small and all we have to do now is not let them get clean looks from 3, and try to contain Irving.
Bynum/Villaneuva/Daye-52 pts combined 10-18 from 3 last night
Bynum-6.6ppg Villanueva-7.8ppg Daye-3.6ppg=18ppg
Basically all that happened last night besides the hawks losing their energy after the big lead was, bynum/vill/daye starting jacking 3’s as they had nothing to lose and they just hit em last night. Those three will not combine for over 50 again this year, fluke game by DET.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
Blame Teague for everything.
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
3:11 pm
I am not defending LD;
and I do not believe in “handling” players [player issues]
through the media.
Also all of you fellas are correct, LD is scared of Josh,
or whatever ………………& refuses to coach Josh hard.
-BUT-
The fact remains, what he said is accurate.
Teaguer is inconsistent, lacks confidence,
and most of all does not play defense up to his capabilities !
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It`s time we realized Jeff Teague is what he is.
An above avg pg / never an all-star.
Also;
a pg should / needs to be a leader;
however,
JT, much like JJohnson, will never be that leader;
`tis not in his DNA.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
Allow Josh shoot long jumpers. Allow Horford to let guards walk down the lane but call Teague out for not bring enough energy.
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
And with those comments, G-Dad, he can be included in any deal that brings a potential star to this city.
Cousins gives you 16.6/9.5 in 30 minutes with a FT% of 76%. We don’t have 2 guys shooting under 60% FT and they are 1st and 3rd in getting to the line for us. That will hurt us going forward in close games.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 27th, 2012
3:22 pm
Grandad
Ok Teague has flaws. But tell me what are Horford’s flaws? What are Smoove’s flaws?
Teague is still learning the game because Woody and LD refused to play him early in his career. Each year as a starter Teague has improved his game but LD refuses to give the man props. Plus Teague stays healthy which Hinrich or Devin Harris could not do.
When we traded for Hinrich LD never called him out. His play was horrible but we never saw LD go on a rant in the paper on how he needs to do this and that.
LD shows favortism and he needs to stop.
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
3:29 pm
@Clyde. Youre right on. Teagues the young guy that gets picked on cuz LD doesnt have the marbles to do it to Smoove or Al. Regarless of the winning record, LD is the one who needs to be called out.
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
3:30 pm
Jeff Teague, Johan Petro & Houston’s pick to Toronto for Kyle Lowry, Quincy Acy (spelling???) & a 2nd rd pick.
Lowry will have to play his way back in to the starting lineup for Toronto since the team has improved with Calderon as the starting PG while Lowry was injured. Teague, as a restricted free agent, gives Toronto the option of extending him a long-term contract, vs. Lowry, who is an unrestricted free agent after next year.
Lowry would bring a steady, veteran presence to the Hawks backcourt. Lowry’s 2013/14 salary is just over $6M.
Dr. Warren
December 27th, 2012
3:32 pm
Don’t worry. I am betting Ferry sees`all.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 27th, 2012
3:34 pm
Just Joe Lowry can’t stay healthy. That was the problem with Hinrich. We traded JC2 and a first rounder to get him them he broke down in the playoffs. Even this year Devin Harris was suppose to challenge Teague for the starting position but he can’t stay healthy.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 27th, 2012
3:36 pm
Teague lead us to a victory in the second overtime but LD complains about his lack of energy.
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
3:47 pm
Lowry was great with Houston. But even when he was healthy, he hasnt shown that same ability. Teague should be our starting PG and PG of the near fututre because he has, and i believe, will continue to improve the more he plays.
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
3:52 pm
Clyde…Can’t tell you what the difference in age between Hinrich & Lowry is at the moment, or their history of games played. Just trying to improve the PG position. I think Lowry brings a little of what Raymond Felton brings to the Knicks.
Rod from College Park
December 27th, 2012
4:01 pm
LD has called Josh out many times. He has also taken him out of the game. He should do it more often, but he has done it. I have never once heard him say one bad thing about Horford. Not one thing. Never called him out for missing clutch free throws, never called him out for lack of energy, never called him out for allowing guards to come in the paint at will. Never heard him call out Marvin either. I truly don’t understand it.
ATMAN
December 27th, 2012
4:04 pm
Teague needs to come out with a chip on his shoulder and play agressive. He’s not the weak link, but could stand to improve.
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
Did AllStar Al win this Game? Certainly not. He choked on the Free-throw line right on que..
Did Josh win this Game. Certainly not..He shot his load by the end of the 3rd quarter.. Went 0-9 in the 4th quarter with multiple Air-balls..
Teague, shifted into beast mode and put everybody on his strong shoulders and finished off the opposition once and for all!
HEY LARRY WE AINT BUY THAT CHIT YOUR SELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
4:08 pm
Rod,
I dont recal LD ever calling Josh out by name ever. But youre right. Horford is gold in his eyes.
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
SlimJr,
I couldnt agree more
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
4:11 pm
BUYING^^^^
DB
December 27th, 2012
4:13 pm
We ride this team way too hard, get up too much during victories (sometimes down) and get down too low during defeats. This is still a playoff caliber team. How far the hawks go will depend on rebounding and defense. Simple as that.
ATMAN
December 27th, 2012
4:16 pm
LD couldn’t handle Cousins
Rod from College Park
December 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
“Rod,
I dont recal LD ever calling Josh out by name ever.”
He has done it many times. He called him out in the playoffs when Josh was taking long jumpers, after saying all year that he wanted Josh to take the shot if he was open. It’s documented in these blogs. Horford, Marvin or Joe, never heard him say a word.
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
4:22 pm
On a scale of 1-10, 10 being a superb help defender Al registers a________ you fill in the blank.
SHEEEEESH!
Swingman912
December 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
Cousins has so much skill. But LD isnt the coach to harness that talent. Trade for Cousins and Let LD walk this offseason. The hard part tho will be finding a coach that can deal with that head case
hfc95
December 27th, 2012
4:29 pm
Im curious slim jr?
if you were a GM and you, for theoretical purposes were forced to sign Al Horford(lol I know you never would) what would you give him? Say a 3yr contract for??? what would you deem fair market value for him, again I know you dispise him but entertain us, what would you pay him and why?
LD, unless we make it to the second round, will be fired. I could see him being given an extension if its for a very low salary which LD would take. We all know GM DF likes to employ people he has worked with in the past, so does anyone have any plausible ideas for the next head coach of the hawks?
I honestly cant think of any “sexy” canidates, Brian Shaw- Jerry Sloan?
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
4:30 pm
“Lame Duck,” get it together. Teague saved your ASS[ets] in double-overtime last night with his made free throws not to mention his other positive plays.
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
4:32 pm
Some may laugh, but we would be better served with Zaza in the game at the end as opposed to Al. Just on FT% alone.
We played this level of ball without Al last year. We can duplicate it once he’s dealt. He’s not Tim Duncan like I envisioned him having to be for us when we drafted him.
But our problem will be deciding what Josh and his personality is worth.
Perhaps Danny can pull another ‘miracle’ out of his cell phone.
I like our team and they are competitive but we are not contending until we get a superstar or 2. Houston gets more pub than us they are pieced together in 1 offseason.
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
4:34 pm
Hmmm, would Danny Ferry give Avery a chance to run this team should a change be made?
Avery didn’t get any time to get the job done in NJ. They will not improve by all of a sudden playing Kris Humphries.
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
4:38 pm
“LD really has a problem with Teague, Ivan and it seems Morrow is added to that list. No matter how well they play they either can’t get regular minutes, or they need to play with more energy. No statements about Josh jacking up 3’s at the wrong time, Horford letting guards come into the paint at will or Lou Williams taking any shot he wants to. LD is a funny guy.” – Rod from College Park @1:59pm, 12/27/2012
Yeah, and you never heard “Lame Duck” “call out” (Kirk) Hinrich and you probably won’t (ever) hear him (LD) “call out” (Kyle) Korver. He’s (too) afraid of “THE MAN.” LD, ya scary, wanna-be corporate, company man SOB (Son of a Biscuit).
Rod from College Park
December 27th, 2012
4:47 pm
“Yeah, and you never heard “Lame Duck” “call out” (Kirk) Hinrich and you probably won’t (ever) hear him (LD) “call out” (Kyle) Korver. He’s (too) afraid of “THE MAN.” LD, ya scary, wanna-be corporate, company man SOB (Son of a Biscuit).”
Know way he would call either of those guys out. Remember their “Basketball IQ” is too high. LOL
Rod from College Park
December 27th, 2012
4:48 pm
“Know”- No
MsDee
December 27th, 2012
4:56 pm
The Hawks and Indiana Pacers are also dark horse contenders to sign Millsap if Josh Smith and David West are not re-signed. RealGM
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
5:01 pm
@doc
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doc
December 27th, 2012
1:33 pm
well as i have said before it is about to get ugly in brooklyn.
all the smiles are now gone.
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doc, you said it would “get ugly” in Brooklyn and it turns out (that) you’re right. So, is it “Precious” ugly (from the movie starring Gabourey “Gabby” Sidibe), “Celie” ugly (from “The Color Purple” starring Whoopi Goldberg), Tyrone Hill ugly (before he got his “grill” fixed), “Too Short” ugly (Todd Shaw before he got his “grill” fixed), Oprah Winfrey (without the makeup) ugly. Shabba Ranks ugly or Flavor Flav ugly (in full Public Enemy regalia such as the “Big Clock” necklace, etc)?
BravesFan79
December 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
How about Will the Thrill Bynum! One of my favorite players on that 2004 GT Final 4 team, and one of the most undervalued (along with Jarred Jack ) players in the NBA.
NORRIS CHUCK
December 27th, 2012
5:14 pm
“When he’s not bringing the energy, it’s my job to let him know,” Drew said.
Ok coach Drew…when Josh is missing all his 20 plus footers, then…IT’S YOUR JOB TO TELL HIM TO STOP!
I truly believe Josh has some photos of Drew from a LA hotel in a safe deposit box somewhere!
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
5:18 pm
KevinM
December 27th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Some may laugh, but we would be better served with Zaza in the game at the end as opposed to Al. Just on FT% alone”
I hear ya KevinM! You maybe onto something?
BravesFan79
December 27th, 2012
5:22 pm
Glad others are now seeing that Morrow should be getting more minutes because of his scoring ability. LD has def held his game back.
MattP
December 27th, 2012
5:27 pm
LD is an idiot. The only thing he says is Teague needs more energy, not Smith. Teague was the reason the Hawks beat the Pistons in overtime. Where was Smiths energy? Oh ya, sitting at the 3pt arc and shooting jumpers. He never calls out anyone else on the team, it is always Teague’s fault.
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
5:27 pm
hfc95
December 27th, 2012
4:29 pm
“Im curious slim jr?
if you were a GM and you, for theoretical purposes were forced to sign Al Horford(lol I know you never would) what would you give him? Say a 3yr contract for??? what would you deem fair market value for him, again I know you dispise him but entertain us, what would you pay him and why?”
Whats the matter Allstar AL aint given you enough entertainment? I will not waste your time in theory’s about Al’s worth..But I will say this, if you think this guy can lead your team to an ECF, then I would say a bridge in Brooklyn maybe available for sale to you.. hahahahaha
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
Lowery’s best season he averaged 14.3 ppg, 6.6 assists per game while shooting 40.9% from the floor.
He’s not much of an upgrade, if any, over Jeff Teague.
And he turns 27 in March. Teague is 24.
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
5:39 pm
Jeremy Lin – 11.9ppg 6.3 assists per game, PER 14.46
Jeff Teague – 13.1 ppg, 6.5 assists per game, PER 16.4
Both 24 years old.
Do some of you guys even know what we’ve got in JT?
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
5:42 pm
4th pick mike Conley – 13.6 ppg 6.3 assists per game
Jeff Teague, see above
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
5th pick Raymond Felton – 15.8 ppg on 39.6% shooting. Teague at 44.2%.
Felton 6.3 assists per game, Teague 6.5 assists per game.
Teague higher PER.
Felton out 4-6 weeks.
When’s the last time JT missed much time? Iron man last year.
Teague is blossoming into the pass first PG some of you said he’d never become before your eyes.
What games do some of you people watch? Any?
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
5:57 pm
Teague is averaging more assists per game than:
Stephen Curry
Brandon Jennings
Kemba Walker
Gorman Dragic
Jason Kidd
Conley, Felton, Lin, Jack and a ton of other “name” guys like the 40 million dollar man george Hill, who people think is a good value, Darren collision and more.
Wake up and smell the coffee people. Teague is getting good at the assist thing. He’s always been a scorer. And he’s usually around top 10 in steals, low turnovers.
Teagues a solid nba player, getting better, and is better or just as good as some of the guys some of you put ahead of him.
Blackula
December 27th, 2012
6:02 pm
Yes, the 10 dollars in my bank account is better then the 6 or 7 in
my son’s account
daughters account
friends account
friends friend account
joe mama’s account.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
6:03 pm
Notthcyde LD always has to make up some crap about JT to cover his azz when he coaches stupid,too bad he doesn’t.hold anyone else accountable,he has to pick on JT & Ivan. Last year he cost us the Celtic playoffs,this team will still win a lot of games in spite of him
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
Grandad you don’t make any sense. JTis supposed to be a leader when every teammate sees how LD shows it no respect.dont you think JT would be a lot more successful if LD wasn’t always jerking his chain.Give the man a break,
Nate ArchiBALL
December 27th, 2012
6:17 pm
Assist per turnover – Jeff Teague is #52 all players
#43 all guards = 2.43 a/t
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
6:22 pm
Larry picks on JT because he knows that if he picked on JJ ,JS or AL he would be fired.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
LD is such a big AZZHOLE he picks on JT when he just won the game for the hawks,LD certainly didn’t win the game for us.
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
6:34 pm
Teague – 13.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.7 tpg, 44% fgs, 38% from 3 (2.5 attempts per game)
Lowry – 15.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5.8 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.6 tpg, 40% fgs, 34% from 3 (4.6 attempts per game)
Difference is that Lowry is a consistent rebounder and defender, plus he’s a proven 3-pt shooter attempting over 4.5 per game in each of the last 3 years. Not a major upgrade over Teague, but he brings more consistency, and he can go off for a 30+ pt game on occasion. Teague, hasn’t scored more than 20 pts all year.
doc
December 27th, 2012
6:36 pm
steve w earlier today said teague will be asking for the ssne as conley and lin though i think lin will be more the scorer in time than the three of them. yes all three have similar numbers.
high sider all that and more ugly, promise.
soooo glad we didnt go after avery. he wanted too much money anyway.
kevin avery after about 160 games is only at a winning percentage if .333 with the nets. again they are a bad team if stack is playing over 15 mpg which he is.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
6:45 pm
Just Joe JT doesn’t score over 20 points because LD doesn’t let him .LD starts & plays Williams the 4th quarter & then putsJT in with 1.5 min left & with our lead lost. Does anyone call that good coaching.
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
6:55 pm
Teague averages over 31 minutes a game. In 26 games, he’s hit 20 points once. Not more than 20, just 20. That’s just being timid and deferring to your teammates. And at only 6 assists per game, please don’t try to sell me that he’s a “pass first” point guard.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
6:57 pm
Grandad I always got the impression from you that the coach should rule with an iron hand & his players should hold him in high esteem,I always felt that hr would have to earn that respect from his players. I sure don’t believe that LD has earned that respect.
keith
December 27th, 2012
6:57 pm
Rubin’s Cube
December 27th, 2012
5:56 pm
*Time to trade Al and Teague”
Ditto!!!!!!!!
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
6:59 pm
My buzz word for Teague isn’t “energy”, it’s “aggressive”. Dude is too passive, soft spoken, timid, etc… Hawks had to hire a coach just to hopefully bring out his “inner dog”. I like the kid, but if he’s going to lead this team for the next 5 or 6 years, he needs to find that inner dog, and start being more aggressive.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
Keith still the village idiot.
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
Clyde
I have recently detailed Horford`s shortcomings [on the blog]
and according to some;,- evidently -,; I routinely list Josh`s
many, many, many, many, deficiencies as well. [especially B-ball IQ]
I like Jeff, but not as a pg.
He`s a tweener ….. or a [1.5].
I also think in many ways he is very much the same player as is Lou.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
7:02 pm
Just Joe Well than we need him to walk away as LD will never stop FK ing with him
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
7:06 pm
Grandad Again I feel you are wrong Williams just looks for his own shots where JT always looks for his teammates.The hawks play well when JT is playing I give him a lot of credit for our record being as goo d as it is.
tyger
December 27th, 2012
7:09 pm
Bad Josh cant finish, schedule unkind…
It was painful watching the Hawks’ last 5 min…
That used to be JJ’s time, his attribute…he could finish…
Hawks now spread love around, so far so good…
Yet, schedule has been kind…not much longer…
Lenny Wilkens says beat all below .500 teams…
Split with above .500 and see what happens in playoffs…
Hawks on pace, yet below .500 teams running out…
Trampled by Warriors, Thunder, Heat…
Struggled with Wizards, Pistons…
Forecast: Cloudy and overcast…
Good Josh, Bad Josh – never so illustrative…
Brilliant for 3Q, painful down the stretch…
My biggest issue with the JJ trade…
Who would rise to the occassion?
Lots of 3.5Q players…
NYK v LAL – Gasol didnt have great 3Q but…
Down stretch, he rose to occasion…
7fter that scores easily in the post…
Exactly where we struggle…
Hawks at cross-roads?
Spend $14-$15M for decency?
Or $19M and a chance at a chip?
Ardilla
December 27th, 2012
7:15 pm
Smoove has got to go. I love his play, but can’t stand how stubborn he is. He almost lost the game for us last night with his pouting and mental mistakes. Hope we don’t re-sign him; better get something of value before the deadline.
Also can’t wait until we get a real coach who knows how to use his bench.
rainman
December 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
Tyger so the heat didnt stuggle with the wizards? They struggled with the bobcats the other night also. An i recall us beating the thunder one game this season so not sure if thats called being trampled. Us struggling with the pistons is nothing new, we struggled with them in the past because of their size. You are another fool, very similar to keith who thinks pau gasol will help us get better to contend for a title.
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
JJ – that’s only a 16 game sample on a terrible team ( it was when he was starting) for Lowry, because he’s been injured.
Put Teague on a terrible team, and he may average more ppg also.
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
7:23 pm
Lowry is a better rebounder than Teague. Better at anything else? Debateable. JT averages more assists, has better shooting %’s, stays much healthier (to this point).
Doc, I don’t think I said Teague wanted as much as Lin and Conley. But he’s in their League as a player, I know that.
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
7:24 pm
JJ – And i don’t think JT is so great. But he’s not bad either
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
7:25 pm
Tyger is Keith or not then they are a match made wherever.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
7:27 pm
Many people here are stupid thinking JT is not real good.
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
Steve…not a bad player at all. I just have my doubts about him taking that next step. Hope I’m wrong for the sake of my Hawks.
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
7:41 pm
From a Coaches POV
Having observed for many moons I`ve arrived at the following
conclusions at this point in time.
1st, we have an exceptional team.
Our team is most likely to win a Championship
but not out of the realm of possibility.
2nd, were I coaching, this would be my approach:
I have always liked a two guard system and have had success.
The 86 Celtics were *(opinion) the Geatest Team Ever;
The [original] Dream Team notwithstanding.
The 86 Celts had DJ and Ainge yet neither or both were the pg.
In other words they could / would interchange fluidly.
-NOW-
With Teaguer & Lou that could work when they are on the ct together.
However, my starting line-up would be:
[1] Teaguer / Lou – my starter would be the better defender
[2] KKorv
[3] Josh
[4] Al
[5] Zaza
Ivan would be my primary back-up Big
DSteve would be my def stopper off the bench
Morrow would be a regular as would JJenkins
As for improving the team for the future;
I trust DFerry !
-HOWEVER-
As a fan, I`ve looked at potential trade partners and FAs.
Nothing makes much sense as far as a trade.
We would only be trading our headaches, heartburn, and frustration
-for-
someone else`s antiques or garage clutter.
The really good young players have recently been signed
or, they are *untouchable. *[prime]
The Very Best Hope is DFerry will convince CPaul
to come Back to the South.
I`m talking about a real SuperDuperStar / GameChanger ! CP3.
In the meanwhile;
I`m not the Coach, LD is doing a respectable job.
Although, I still believe he Will-Not be back Next Season.
DFerry gets his man.
The Future is bright – and yes – there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
ATMAN
December 27th, 2012
7:50 pm
Well, said Grandad.
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
Our team is most likely to win a Championship
SHOULD HAVE READ::
Our Team is Most Likely *[Not] Going to Win a Championship !
Typo & Grammatical / Double Dippin`
JustSayinB
December 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
Nets management fired Avery Johnson. I look at how the Nets are playing; they looked worst than the Hawks did last year and the year before. Oh, that right-they got “iso Joe”. The Hawks did good to rid themselves of “trotter” Marvin and slow iso-Joe. Joe Johnson is on display for all the world to see-that he is the most grossly overpaid player and the Hawks were impressively dumb for making that trade in the first place. When Steve Nash and Joe Johnson was in Pheonix-it was Nash who was the real ballah that made Joe looked good. Why the Hawks didn’t see that back then-amazes me. They also had Armarie Stoudamire. I don’t like what the Nets did to Avery, but he had to take the fall for the underachieving Brooklyn Nets.
ATMAN
December 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
I filled in the “not”, figured that’s what you meant
keith
December 27th, 2012
8:08 pm
“MYOPIC MIDGET MONKEY BRAINS”
Anyone with “reasonable INTELLIGENCE” who watched that Basketball Game last night would have to surmise that the Atlanta Hawks will be a more complete team once we “Jettison” Jeff Teague and Al “Soft” Horford Outta here!!!!! They are holding this team back!!!!!
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
8:08 pm
Grandad I’m not really sure what you are really saying, all very generalized.
Mitchell
December 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
yall are blind if you cant realize teague is one of the main reasons our team is as good as it is. he keeps the offense going, looks to pass, penetrates, and creates. plain and simple. you are idiots who are saying he should be replaced. Hes a top 15 pg in the league and can only get better. Once he learns how to shoot off the dribble and gains some confidence in his shot he will be an all-star. Athletically, he is one notch below westbrook/rose and belongs in the same category as bledsoe/irving. The team collapses when hes out of the game, and his durability spoils yall as yall neglect to realize how bad our team would be without him.
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
1995-96: Greatest Ever? Bulls Win 72 Games..
Lost only 10 games? Wow! This maybe the greatest NBA team ever?
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
Keith we all know exactly what your saying & it is real,real stupid.
keith
December 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
“THESE CLOWNS” who are faithfully supporting Al and Jeff are probably in that 47% group that Mitt Romney spoke of in his Banquet Speech!!!!!!
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Mitchell I have to give you a lot of credit,you certainly see things clearly,you are probably one of the more intelligent bloggers
keith
December 27th, 2012
8:20 pm
“Yall????”
If you begin a sentence with “Yall” you might be a___________________??? Probably in that 47% Mitt Romney spoke of!!!
keith
December 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
Hope Al and Jeff are watching the Thunder play “Grown man Basketball” tonight….Not that “Chump” ball that they play night-in and night-out!!!
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
Slimmer the jr
” 1995-96: Greatest Ever? Bulls ”
My youngest son;
[who is now a Head Coach with his own team]
and myself argue that point almost daily.
I`m also a fan of the 88-90 Pistons,
and the 60`s Celtics !
Melvin
December 27th, 2012
8:40 pm
DWade is by far the dirtiest player in the NBA. Just look at some of the incidents that he has had…
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/dwyane-wade-kicks-ramon-sessions-groin-video/167544
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
December 27th, 2012
8:42 pm
Is LD’s only job to call out Jeff Teague?
Why not call out Josh for his incompetence at the free throw line? Same with Al
ATMAN
December 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
Al does seem less agressive after his pec injury, his shot is off, too. Josh, terrible shooter, hustles 10% of the time, most talented. Teague is just passive, plays good with a chip on his shoulder, maybe he’ll get that eye of the tiger. I liked Grandad’s lineup, we got to get ZaZa and Ivan in there banging, boxing out, defending/hustling. We are just soft in the paint, it parts like the Red Sea. We got cap room to add a big name next yr or maybe DF makes a trade beforehand plus a big name next yr. Still 17-9 and no JJ contract, I’m cautiously optimistic.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
December 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Obviously a dirty play by Wade.
Notice how none of the courtside fans even reacted
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
9:01 pm
Rusty:
-bullet points- ……. *’`from my 7:41 pm post`’*
*I like our team
*Good but not Great
*missing an ingredient – I did not directly say that
*Obviously I do not see eye to eye with LD
*LD is doing a credible job
*LD (opinion) will not win a Championship – inferred
*Teaguer is a `tweener, so is Lou
-note- [1.5 + 1.5 = 3] also [1 + 2= 3]
-or- two [1.5`s] are the same as a[1] and a [2].
*then there`s Korver [size]
*I would start Zaza
*I would play Ivan alot
*I would play JJenkins some, every game.
*I would utilize Morrow, same for DSteve
*I would define roles
*There is not an impact player available in a trade
*In FreeAgency I think DFerry is and will GoHard after CP3
*CP3 will transform the Hawks
*CP3 was / is the missin` ingredient
*DFerry will not trust LD with the keys to a Championship Team
*I like our Team
*I`m gonna like `em even better
_____________________________________________________
I hope that was easy readin`
JOE
December 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
Yes i belive the rook jenkins would be a better three shooter than (KYLE)KOVER.I COACHED CITY BALL BETTER THAN (LD).WITH JOSH YOU LIVE OR DIE WITH HIM,JUST LIKE A BOX OF YOU KNOW FORREST GUMP.JOSH STOP LETTING TEAMS MAKE YOU PLAY TO YOUR WEAKNESS.JEFF PUT LD OUT OF YOUR HEAD,AND PLAY THE GAME THAT YOU HAVE DEEP DOWN INSIDE,LD WHERE IS THE OPTIONS WHEN JEFF IS DRIVING LANE?.JEFF YOU HAVE TO SEE THE FLOOR.STUDY NASH,STOCKTON,I WON’T TO SEE MORE OF IVAN.IF AL IS NOT BEING OF ANY USE IN TH PAINT ON DEFENCE,LARRY PUT IVAN IN THE GAME.I PERFER ZAZA AND IVAN.
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
Coach Mike Brown was fired after going 1 – 4 (0.200) with the Lakers during this 2012 – 2013 regular season. Last season, Coach Mike Brown and the Lakers finished the 2011 -2012 regular season with a record of 41 – 26 (0.621).
Coach Avery Johnson was fired after going 14 – 14 (0.500) with the Nets during this 2012 – 2013 regular season.
Coach Mike D’Antoni is currently 9 – 10 (0.474) with the Lakers during this 2012 – 2013 regular season. How long of a “leash” will the Lakers give Coach (Mike) D’Antoni?
Don’t get me wrong; I was never “crazy about” (or a big fan) of Coach (Mike) Brown or Coach (Avery) Johnson but think about what kind of message is being sent (out to the public) with firing(s)/termination(s) of these two (_____) men. (I’ll let you fill in the blank or you can leave the blank, blank.)
BTW, (Mavs’ coach) Rick Carlisle is currently 12 – 16 (0.426)? Is he (Coach Carlisle) on the “hot seat”?
Message to LD and Woody:
Don’t get too “comfy” because the “tide can change” on you in a “New York minute” – pun intended for Woody (and I guess Avery Johnson, too).
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
Melvin
I agree wholeheartedly *’`except`’* Blake Griffin is:
*Dirtier
*Cheap Shotier
*More Bush League
-&-
*Whinier
____________________________________________
Then there`s KG *’`the Bully`’*
likes to run his yap,
start stuff,
then pray for protection to arrive.
Zaza called his bluff … then KG cheap-shotted Zaza
near the end of game seven in `08;
so Zaza would not have enough time to retaliate.
____________________________________________
Pseudo Tough Guys
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
^Correction: “Don’t get me wrong; I was never “crazy about” (or a big fan) of Coach (Mike) Brown or Coach (Avery) Johnson but think about what kind of message is being sent (out to the public) with firing(s)/termination(s) of these two (_____) men?* (I’ll let you fill in the blank or you can leave the blank, blank.)”
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
9:16 pm
Disregard my post @9:14pm, 12/27/2012.
Melvin
December 27th, 2012
9:17 pm
Grandad,
But DWade has cause injuries with his tactics… I hope somebody bust his (you know what) at least one time before he retires. He broke Kobe nose in an All Star Game, comeon….
ATMAN
December 27th, 2012
9:18 pm
Yes, get Jenkins some mins, pure shooter. LD just hammers his starters with tons of mins, bench guys wouldn’t be much of a drop off if any. I know JJ logged some crazy mins over last season, guess we were tryin’ to get our $$$ worth, lol!
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
9:26 pm
Grandad why the hell would CP3 even think about coming here? I don’t see JT or LW being similar like players at all,I see JT as a much better PG & our team seems to play a lot better with him as the PG. I see that you are tip towing around the LD situation.
keith
December 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
” CP3 or any other Player will come for Big Money, BIG DUMMIES”
Musty and his gang of idiots are at it again. Money Talks and BS Walks!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
Now that was a very expensive kick in his family jewels by Mr Wade..
He was suspended without pay for one game? How much does he make a night 150k?
Duh
December 27th, 2012
9:34 pm
Rod,
So because Jamal scores the most points in the 4th quater you’d rather have the ball in his hands over Kobe? Durant? LeBron? That’s a nice sentiment but it didn’t mean a damn thing when Jamal couldn’t score against the bulls in the playoffs. Come back to me when Jamal improves his resume. Give me Mr. Big Shot thanks.
As far as your sources are concerned, “pretty much” isn’t good enough.
Duluth Joe
December 27th, 2012
9:36 pm
CP3 is not coming to Atlanta. Too much of a sure thing in Clippers with almost a complete team. Why would he leave that and the LA market and its visibility for uncertainty of Hawks? How many times are Clippers on TV this year? How many times are Hawks on TV this year?
I like Teague, I think he has room for growth. He won’t be K. Irving or Rondo, but his vision will improve with time. I want him to throw better lobs to Al and Josh in near term.
Larry Drew is on a one year contract. What incentive does he have to develop Jenkins if he is not here past end of the year? If you want to see rookies develop, then Danny Ferry needs to either extend Drew or hire a coach with a 3-4 years contract. Larry Drew has been kept on a short leash ever since here(Blame Rick Sund and ASG). No way he can develop Teague and Jenkins and others, if he has no certainty for his own future next year.
Duluth Joe
December 27th, 2012
9:38 pm
TV=National TV in above comment
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
9:39 pm
^Correction: “…with [the] firing(s)/termination(s) of these two (_____) men.”
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
9:43 pm
The more I watch “Westbrick” play, the more I can’t stand him (”Westbrick”). (smh)
keith
December 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
” WHY DID JAMES HARDEN LEAVE OKLAHOMA CITY???”
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS, MONEY TALKS AND BS WALKS!!!!!
Honesty
December 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Watched the game on DVR and I have a different take on it. LD sees Teague as a crutch. Teague is his coach in the floor. In that final overtime whever Lou would get the ball on a defensive rebound he would direct him to give the ball to Teague (LD seemed more relaxed after the ball was in Teague’s hands). He even let Teague call his own plays; At one point, Teague pointed at Lou basically saying “we’re running this play for you” and Lou hits a dagger jumper.
I agree with LD, Teague has a high ceiling. As a PG he has to defer a lot but anyone who saw Teague play in HS or college can tell you that naturally he is an offensive pitbull when it comes to attacking the rim. He will figure out the proper balance eventually.
Honesty
December 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Watched the game on DVR and I have a different take on it. LD sees Teague as a crutch. Teague is his coach in the floor. In that final overtime whever Lou would get the ball on a defensive rebound he would direct him to give the ball to Teague (LD seemed more relaxed after the ball was in Teague’s hands). He even let Teague call his own plays; At one point, Teague pointed at Lou basically saying “we’re running this play for you” and Lou hits a dagger jumper.
I agree with LD, Teague has a high ceiling. As a PG he has to defer a lot but anyone who saw Teague play in HS or college can tell you that naturally he is an offensive pitbull when it comes to attacking the rim. He will figure out the proper balance eventually.
keith
December 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Russell Westbrook is an NBA Superstar!!! IF Russell Westbrook came to the Hawks, he would immediately be the BEST player on the team, PERIOD!!!
Just Joe
December 27th, 2012
10:03 pm
I want Teague to put up Tony Parker stats. 18 PPG on 50% shooting. 4-5 trips to the line per game. Parker was doing it when he was 23-24.
Teague has the potential to put up those numbers in my opinion, plus be an above avg defender.
Honesty
December 27th, 2012
10:11 pm
Honestly,
Jeff Will violate all of these other average, over-hyped point guards that y’all have been mentioning. I think that’ the most important lesson of the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWbZj4F8tds
Honesty
December 27th, 2012
10:15 pm
Just Joe,
I agree with you there. You could even take guys like Kidd and Chauncey into consideration. These guys didn’t lead their teams to the finals until they were 26-28 years old. Teague will get there.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
10:18 pm
Keith The reason harden left is because the thunder didn’t want to pay him(sort of like JC) which will not be the case withCP3 ,dope
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
10:23 pm
He (JT) might get there if LD stops FKing around with him.
Please Answer This
December 27th, 2012
10:24 pm
Our two top players consist of a complete air-head, who makes basketball decisions worse than an 8 Y/O and a complete Wissie, whose daddy has taught him to avoid contact so he can “stay in the league”.
And yet our coach chooses to publicly call-out and embarrass Jeff teague !
Does anyone here think this might be an indication of what goes on behind closed doors as well ?
This is unforgivable. If I were the GM, LD would be fired for this article being printed. I’ve supported Atlanta sports for over 40 years and I’ve never seen anything more cowardly and repulsive than this.
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
10:26 pm
Hi-Sider:
As I looked over the complete list of coaches in the NBA;
I surmised 9 coaches are on some sort of hot seat,
some warmer than others.
Of the Nine there were five white guys and four black guys;
if that is of some concern to you.
The list below omits coaches who have vitually no chance of being fired
or Brooklyn who is in a state of flux
Also I included LD, wdsn, D`Antoni, plus Carlisle
to whom you had referenced.
____________________________________________
Larry Drew – we all have a shared opinion
Mike Dunlap – rookie coach with a shorter leash than most [Mike]
Byron Scott – on the hot seat
Rick Carlisle – NBA Champs one yr removed / Dirk inj
Lawrence Frank – on his way out !
Kevin McHale – family tragedy will buy time plus their winning
Frank Vogel – they didn`t really like him when they hired him
Vinny Del Negro – Gone if they are not in the Finals
Mike D’Antoni – will finish the season / Kobe & Nash will decide his fate
Scott Skiles – hot seat
Rick Adelman – If they don`t want him we`ll take `im
Monty Williams – hasn`t had enuff time
Mike Woodson – solid for now
Jacque Vaughn – see Monty Williams
Doug Collins – *Bynum`s inj; not his fault
Alvin Gentry – ten u o u s at best
Terry Stotts – will be gone sooner than later
Keith Smart – the next to go; not his fault Cousins is Nuts
Dwane Casey – in a race with keith Smart
Tyrone Corbin – the most difficult to gauge
Randy Wittman – will be gone soon
____________________________________________
Yes, AveryJohnson was fired abruptly
and most probably unfairly.
`tis a business as they say.
And, I`ll be durned, he was fired by a Russian !
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
10:35 pm
Are you guys watch this OKC/Dallas game? OKC was down most of the game by double digits.
Now if the 4th qtr, they have made their run. BTW they have a closer in [Durant] who is taking over ,hitting a variety of shots, and just taking the lead 96-95 with 2:06 left…
Wish we HAD A CLOSER…
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
10:35 pm
Rusty
I ain`t never tip-toed `round anything in my life.
What are you talking about ?
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
10:36 pm
[in]
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
10:39 pm
[watching]
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
10:39 pm
Duluth Joe
If CPaul were to come to Atlanta;
I imagine we would become the TV darling
and the Clips would revert to their rightful place of being the Clips.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
10:39 pm
The reason LD picks on JT is because he probably doesn’t like.him.JT has made him look bad because of the MB situation & then forcing the hawks to give up 2 first rounders for a washed up KH.He also thinks he can getaway with picking on JT as he thinks JT has a lot of faults which seem to be also apparent to some fans as he assumes they have swallowed his bullcrap.
Rusty
December 27th, 2012
10:42 pm
Grandad by tip towing around I just mean you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
tyger
December 27th, 2012
10:46 pm
Lets play a game: Name Top 10 PG:
1. Rajon Rondo
2. Chris Paul
3. Derrick Rose
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Deron Williams
6. Jason Kidd
7. Tony Parker
8. Kyrie Irving
9. Ty Lawson
10. Brandon Jennings
11. Mario Chalmers
12. Jrue Holiday
13. Raymond Felton
14. Steve Nash
15. Mike Conley
16. Kyle Lowry
17. Stephen Curry
18. Darren Collison
19. Jose Calderon
20. Damian Lillard
21. Brandon Knight
22. Mo Williams
23. Jameer Nelson
24. Eric Bledsoe
25. Grevis Vaszquez
26. Jeremy Lin
27. Kemba Walker
28. George Hill
29. Jarrett Jack
30. Jeff Teague
note: compare asst/turnover ratios
Grandad
December 27th, 2012
10:46 pm
Rusty
I have to leave for a bit.
please post something specific.
When I get back, I will respond.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
10:56 pm
JJ – Parker also only averaged 5.5 assists per game at age 24, 1.1 steals compared to Jeff’s 1.6, and Jeff has a better assist/turnover ratio, which tyger seems to think indicates a better PG.
Compare the stats. Teague is as good or better than Felton, Conley, and Lin. He’s in their class
SteveW
December 27th, 2012
10:57 pm
Throw Ty Lawson in that mix also. Jeff’s PER is about 2 points higher
Slimjr
December 27th, 2012
11:02 pm
LAC up 21 to 6 on the Men in Green!
Going for 15 in a row at home? Nice..
Honesty
December 27th, 2012
11:10 pm
Guys….lets not make this complicated. This is all you need to know about Jeff Teague:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcP3TE34ZnA
I rest my case, any more responses will be met with a Jeff Teague facial
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
11:25 pm
@Grandad
“Yes, AveryJohnson was fired abruptly
and most probably unfairly.
`tis a business as they say.
And, I`ll be durned, he was fired by a Russian !” – Grandad @10:26pm, 12/27/2012
That was impressive list, however, I believe Avery Johnson was fired by the Nets’ GM, Billy King (who’s ironically a black man).
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
11:36 pm
High-sider
December 27th, 2012
11:25 pm
@Grandad
“Yes, AveryJohnson was fired abruptly
and most probably unfairly.
`tis a business as they say.
And, I`ll be durned, he was fired by a Russian !” – Grandad @10:26pm, 12/27/2012
That was impressive list, however, I believe Avery Johnson was fired by the Nets’ GM, Billy King (who’s ironically a black man).
—————————————————-
Either/or; both/and
falCans
December 27th, 2012
11:43 pm
Lawson is earning 11 mill annual…Jrue 9 million….right now (not based off potential) Teague is not in that league, not even close. Soooo i say keep him @ 5 mill a year…7 if you wanna pay based off potential. Anything more and we’ll all be pissed Trust that
O'Brien
December 28th, 2012
12:27 am
Just Joe,
I want Teague to put up Tony Parker stats. 18 PPG on 50% shooting. 4-5 trips to the line per game. Parker was doing it when he was 23-24..
Tony Parker’s average his first 4 years in the league (by the way, he was a starter from day one).
Year 1: 9 pts, 3 assists in 29 mpg
Year 2: 16 and 5 in 32 mpg
Year 3: 15 and 6 in 34 mpg
Year 4: 17 and 6 in 34 mpg
Year 5: 19 and 6 in 34 mpg.
So Parker did not average 18+ ppg until his 5th year as a starter (even if he was only 24). But you expect Teague to put up those numbers in year 2 as a starter? Not to mention the fact that Parker plays for one of the best coaches and best organizations in the NBA. Shouldn’t that count for something too?
Teague is in his second year starting and averaging 13 and 7 in 31 mpg. So he is already averaging more assists than Tony Parker did in their respective year 2 as starters (despite Parker having better talent to pass to). Give Teague some time.
doc
December 28th, 2012
12:32 am
high sider, nothing is ever black and white, sir. get over it. it is about green, as in money. astro joe rule is “follow the money”. it wont lead you astray or lead you to sounding like an angry black man that is as unbecoming as an angry white man. you dont need it. remember it is about green, not black and white. blacks white and yellow or any color bow down it it and it super cedes any racial argument anyone wants to apple. sorry it does.
as an example, people would like you to believe otherwise because it keeps good people on separate sides of the fence. it is like the deaths in conn. it has nothing to do with gun legislation but mental health. he could have done more damage with a self made bomb, he found on the internet, or driven cars into a group of kids. the next day a guy wanted to set his neighborhood on fire. legislate matches for sure then.
government doesnt want to take on mental health, costs too much as in green. so they allow all of us to split up into groups and miss the point that mental health is a huge issue that gets swept under the table. it is an issue that affects blacks, whites and yellows, reds, in betweens, in every facet of life. government wants you to be angry because it keeps you from really understanding the issues. god forbid that folks come to love one another and get together, to do the right things. catch my drift here?
so, just keep on trying to do everything you can to keep people hating and separate and feed right into their hands, ok? stir it up good. be proud.
O'Brien
December 28th, 2012
12:32 am
Slimjr,
You’ll have to give up more than AL more than likely..Don’t know if AL has as much value to GM’s through out the league as we believe on this blog?.
So you’re telling me…that the Kings would want more than Al in a trade for Cousins? Surely you are not talking about DeMarcus Cousins. Because the Cousins I know has been in the news for all the wrong reasons;
Some of his news clippings (I wont include the date or link, but if you google it, you will find it);
On Wednesday afternoon, the NBA announced that it had suspended Sacramento King big man DeMarcus Cousins for one game for striking Dallas Mavericks guard O.J. Mayo in the groin..
Accidents happen right? Some more Cousins news;
Cousins was suspended two games for confronting and instigating an “animated conversation” with San Antonio Spurs TV commentator (and former player) Sean Elliott..
Still think Kings wouldn’t take Horford for him?
Cousins got into a war of words with head coach Keith Smart as the Kings were taking on the Los Angeles Clippers. Cousins was benched and subsequently hit with an indefinite suspension..
And by the way, Cousins had a feud with the previous Kings coach (Paul Westphal), and got him fired. And you don’t think the Kings would love to get Horford for him?
Is Cousins more talented? Sure. But he has a career 16 and 10 average, on a losing team. Isn’t it easier to get numbers on a losing team?
And BTW, Al’s career average is 13 and 10, so not far behind, despite Al being a 3rd/4th option for most of his career…on a winning team no less.
Please take your GM cap off
O'Brien
December 28th, 2012
12:37 am
I have no issues with LD caling out Teague, because he is right. Teague is too passive at times, and lacks energy, especially against the no name PGs.
I just wish LD would be more consistent and call out other players as well. For example, against the Pistons, I wonder if after the 4th quarter (and before the OT period started), did he pull Josh to the side to talk to him about his 4th quarter shot selection? Did he talk to Al about not contesting shots in the paint?
Be consistent LD.
doc
December 28th, 2012
12:40 am
btw, form espn,
“Avery Johnson was hired by the Nets in June 2010 and compiled a 60-116 record over two-plus seasons.”
facts, not good enough. as i said earlier he was .333 in two seasons, 10 losses in the last 13 games. no signs of it getting better nor was it unfair.
maybe it was as simple as d williams was unhappy. kobe was unhappy. men of color taking down coaches of color. so who is to blame? color green or desire to get to the winners circle. press a bit further, black on black crime?
man, i smelled this weeks ago. it smelled of green burning. dont make it out to be something other than green, please.
O'Brien
December 28th, 2012
12:40 am
And the Pistons game reinforces one of the Hawks issues which will manifest itself in the playoffs (and I think Rod has mentioned it before).
Except for Lou Williams (who is streaky), no-one on the Hawks is good at creating their own shots off the dribble. And you need that in the playoffs (unless we’re making a high % of our 3’s).
Rusty
December 28th, 2012
12:53 am
Watching the clipper Denver game on DVR ,too bad woody & LD didn’t know how to correctively utilize JC.
Rusty
December 28th, 2012
1:03 am
Why would any coach sit their starting PG for almost the whole 4th when a big lead is evaporating?
Rusty
December 28th, 2012
1:04 am
4th quarter
Ken Strickland
December 28th, 2012
1:06 am
Our undoing in the playoffs will be the lack of a rebounding and defending SF. There’s just too much pressure on Josh and AL to outrebound other teams frontline. Also, 2(Zaza/Ivan)of our top 4 rebounders(Josh/AL/Zaza/Ivan) come off the bench.
And for some stupid reason Drew won’t give Ivan consistent mins, no matter how well he plays.
ROD FROM CP AND AL OTHER HORFORD HATERS-Where do you get this absolutely stupid idea that it’s Horford’s responsibility to stop all of these guards and SFs from getting into the lane?
How much intelligence and/or common sense does it require for you to start placing the blame on the guards and SFs that are assigned to defend them? On one hand you clowns want Horford to keep them out of the lane. Then you want him to defend the rim when they get into the lane. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
MattP
December 28th, 2012
1:08 am
O’Brien,
The fact is that no matter what Teague does Drew hates him. Teague starts out great but is the first one pulled. Yes, everyone knows Teague needs to be more consistent but how can he if the coach never likes the way he plays no matter what.
Grandad
December 28th, 2012
1:13 am
doc @ 12:32 pm
Preach it doc … well said.
It`s like my Preacher [RIP] used to say:
” Love God and Love People ”
My interpretation of Loving God
-or-
How does a person devote oneself to Loving God ?
Answer – By Loving other people, all people.
____________________________________________
Sorry doc – I got a little preachin` in myself.
JaeEvolution
December 28th, 2012
1:14 am
Demarcus Cousins is everything we want Al to be minus the craziness.
He has guard-like handles on the perimeter something Al will never develop, every now and then he tries but he just can’t get past his defender without fear of getting picked. Cousins has a sweet post-up game and uses his 280 lb frame to bully usually smaller players. He has a beautiful mid-range jumper, that if given more work could become absolutely deadly on his part. Defensively he has a ways to go, but he blocks shots at around what Al does, and draws a lot of charges something I don’t think Al has ever done in his career.
People complain about his FG% but look at his team, I mean seriously glance over the Kings roster, he has to create offense for himself in that selfish system which is a major proponent of his low FG%.
It’s a shame the guy is bat sh*t crazy, because if you put his skill set minus the headaches in the same positions Al is given on this team he could easily get 25 and 13 nightly, and I mean easy.
Grandad
December 28th, 2012
1:18 am
Rusty
As I said – I was away for a bit:
Have you had enough time for a specific response ?
doc
December 28th, 2012
1:20 am
heard today something that struck me, gdad. “love someone else and see the face of god”. it is the only way.
doc
December 28th, 2012
1:21 am
not sure if vinny and doc werent having a “discussion” there at the end tonight.
Rod from College Park
December 28th, 2012
1:46 am
“ROD FROM CP AND AL OTHER HORFORD HATERS-Where do you get this absolutely stupid idea that it’s Horford’s responsibility to stop all of these guards and SFs from getting into the lane?”
I am not a Horford hater, I call it like I see it. On every team, I’ve ever played on the center is always the last line of defense. Regardless of what the guards do, you as a center must protect the rim. Teams never attack Josh at the rim, they always go at Horford. I wonder why? Allowing point guards to go right at you with no resistance is not good defense on any level.
Rod from College Park
December 28th, 2012
1:49 am
For all you Jamal haters, the game tonight really convinced me that Boston would have been able to shut down Jamal last year. SMH
Najeh Davenpoop
December 28th, 2012
1:51 am
FTPB
“Also, Lin’s jersey was number 2 in sales in NBA. Does sale of merchandise and associated increase in revenue for that club justify higher pay? Do you think Conley’s jersey ever is number 2 in sales?
How about higher ticket revenue as result of new demographics being attracted to the game? The increase in sales of tickets, can justify a more lucrative contract for a team. Do you think Conley = increased ticket sales in Memphis or NBA?
How about TV exposure? Do you think Conley gets Memphis on TV on Christmas day? While Hardin is by far the star of that team, Lin’s story, is a critical sub-plot to their popularity on a national level.”
This is all very true. I totally agree that Lin brings value off the court that Conley (and 99% of other players) do not bring, and all of my previous statements were related only to on court performance. But that brings me to this:
“this goes back to when i said players were trashing lin unneedlessly and it struck of reasons other than lin’s basketball talents. i was surprised at two players in particular being so out spoken. i have never heard one speak down to anyone’s contract as they did lin’s. it struck of petty jealousy or racist overtones and said do.”
If there is one thing I have completely disagreed with doc on it is this. Yes, Lin sells tons of jerseys and is a ticket sales draw, but this all has very little to do with his level of on-court production (or else other players who produce like him would have the same amount of impact off the court for their franchise). If he is being singled out or targeted by other players, it is because of hype, not his ethnicity, and Lin himself doesn’t seem to understand this. Yi Jianlian, Yuta Tabuse, Ha Seung-Jin, Wang Zhizhi and Mengke Bateer are wondering where all these supposedly racist NBA players were to target them and single them out.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 28th, 2012
1:52 am
I know I am late on this, but the Nets did Avery Johnson wrong. That team is not nearly as talented as Prokhorov thinks it is.
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
2:05 am
@doc
“high sider, nothing is ever black and white, sir. get over it. it is about green, as in money. astro joe rule is “follow the money”. it wont lead you astray or lead you to sounding like an angry black man that is as unbecoming as an angry white man.” – doc @12:32am, 12/28/2012
You can keep livin’ in that “fantasy world” where race doesn’t matter if you want (to). Because I dare to point out (or identify) (racial) inconsistencies, disparities, inequities and injustices, that makes me a(n angry) hater, bigot, racist, separatist and/or supremacist? As I stated previously, it’s (almost always) about race and money – “who gets what and how much.” Keep the blinders (on) if you want (to) but don’t be surprised if you get “hit upside the head” (with racial bigotry or racism). You know who’s (usually) “the last hired and the first fired.” Speaking of NBA head coach employment (and terminations), check out the link below.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm
Najeh Davenpoop
December 28th, 2012
2:18 am
Completely agree with SteveW’s 5:57 post. A point guard’s job, whether he is labeled “pass-first” or not, is to initiate the offense and get teammates involved. Teague is the 3rd scoring option on this team, and there are games where he is 4th (behind Lou). If he was on some .200 team like Kyrie Irving where he had free reign to do whatever he wanted with the ball, playing with a bunch of D-League caliber teammates, I have no doubts he could put up 20 a game (and so could many other PGs who don’t score much).
There are very few truly “pass-first” PGs in the league — even Chris Paul routinely looks for his own shot at least as much as he looks to set up his teammates — and many of the ones who acquire the “pass-first” label don’t necessarily set the world on fire when it comes to assist rate, turnover rate, etc. compared to their “shoot-first” peers.
Teague has had only 3 games with as many turnovers than assists this year. By comparison, Curry has 4, Lowry has 2 in only 15 games, Lawson has 3, Westbrook has 3, and Lin has 6. Teague has a better assist/turnover ratio than, among others, Holiday, Lowry, Jennings, Lin, Lillard, Conley, and Curry. Teague may not be Jason Kidd in his prime, and these stats only go so far in showing how well a player plays point guard, but for all the talk that he is supposedly not a “real” PG, he isn’t lagging behind his peers in any of the areas that usually indicate how well a PG is playing the position. The Hawks could do a lot worse than Teague at PG.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 28th, 2012
2:34 am
Of course, none of that means the Hawks shouldn’t move Teague if the right deal comes along. Same with Al, Josh, and anyone else on this team. Anyone who is not a superstar shouldn’t be untouchable in a trade.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 28th, 2012
2:36 am
“I want Teague to put up Tony Parker stats. 18 PPG on 50% shooting. 4-5 trips to the line per game. Parker was doing it when he was 23-24.
Teague has the potential to put up those numbers in my opinion, plus be an above avg defender.”
I agree that Teague’s ceiling is a more athletic Tony Parker. Keep in mind, though, that Parker was a starter at age 19 in his rookie year, whereas Teague didn’t start a game until he was nearly 23. Parker had a lot more experience at the same age. It may take Teague a little longer to reach that level.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 28th, 2012
2:39 am
“I’ve supported Atlanta sports for over 40 years and I’ve never seen anything more cowardly and repulsive than this.”
Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7×3x6QHlrA
#FAIL
December 28th, 2012
2:49 am
keith
Yall????”
If you begin a sentence with “Yall” you might be a___________________??? Probably in that 47% Mitt Romney spoke of!!!
_____________________________________
It looks like you’re confused. I’m pretty sure more backwater, country, hillbilly types in the deep south (Romney voters) would say “Yall” before people in Cali, Oregon, New England, etc. It’s funny because the demographic you’re trying to make a “joke” about learned their grammar from those hillbillies. #FAIL
Grandad
December 28th, 2012
2:50 am
Rusty
Did you read my bullet points ?
-or-
Do you need someone to read them to you ?
You said you could not discern my post @ 7:41 pm;
so I made bullet points @ 9:01 pm.
I figured that would make the reading and comprehension
somewhat easier for you.
-then-
You said I was tip-towing around the LD situation.
Assuming you meant tip-toeing; I responded;
asking for elucidation ?
-wherewith- and I quote:
” Grandad by tip towing around
I just mean you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.”
Now, since you will not answer & I cannot wait on …
*’` The Dept. of Unintended Irony `’*
I reckon I`ll have to take you task all by myself !
#1 – spelling:
I would think most people tip-toe on their toes,
or if they were towing a boat, would not wish for it to tip over.
#2 – mixing metaphors:
Tip-towing around while simultan e o u s ly
speaking from both sides of my mouth.
Is that like;
I can`t run or chew gum at the same time.
* No because that would demonstrate a lack of coordination.
** It seems to me;
tip-toeing and speaking from both sides of ones mouth
requires a great deal of coordination.
-hmmmmmmm-
Here is my favorite mixed metaphor, maybe you will like it as well:
Rusty;
you are runnin` around like a chicken with a bad haircut !
_______________________________________________________
Good evenin` all,
G-Dad
Buddy Grizzard
December 28th, 2012
3:33 am
northcyde is BAAAAAACK!
vava74
December 28th, 2012
4:02 am
You can harp all that you want about Josh but the reality is simple:
It was Josh that was at the heart of the big lead.
It was LD that was at the heart of the big leading going away by not making the necessary adjustments, including taking Josh out and talking to him.
We could have easily played with Al and Zaza whilst Josh took another breather and had a 2 minute prep talk with LD.
Buddy Grizzard
December 28th, 2012
4:18 am
“Jeff Teague, Johan Petro & Houston’s pick to Toronto for Kyle Lowry, Quincy Acy (spelling???) & a 2nd rd pick.”
Wow, Lowery has been so bad after they gave up a guaranteed lottery pick to HOU to obtain him, that speculation is that TOR will now try to re-sign Jose Calderon.
“Do some of you guys even know what we’ve got in JT?”
For real SteveW, peeps want to trade him for Lowery? Teague hasn’t even come close to his ceiling.
Only 13 players in the Eastern Conference have an agregate +/- of at least +100 this season. Jeff Teague is one of them.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22012&split=9&team=East
Buddy Grizzard
December 28th, 2012
4:39 am
“Hickson, on the other hand, could be expendable, in part because he is playing out of this world, far better than his $4 million salary. After finishing with 17 points and 14 rebounds Wednesday, Hickson has nine consecutive double-doubles, and is averaging 12.8 points and 11.1 rebounds, statistics that could be pricing himself right out of Portland. Not only will teams be interested in his high-energy game, the Blazers might be interested in getting something in return before he hits the free agent market.”
Mookie Blaylock
December 28th, 2012
5:34 am
I think Teague is capable of putting up All-Star caliber numbers but just doesnt have the mindset right now. This may have been damaged by Drew and Woody. Think about all the first quarters in his career where Jeff has went off for 10-12 points, only to finish the game with like 15 or 16. It’s like he stops being aggressive to make sure he doesnt “show up” the likes of Josh Smith, you know, the guys who are supposed to be the REAL stars.
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
6:42 am
Buddy…+/- stats have a lot to do with minutes played and how good your overall team is. Other top-25 players include the rest of the Hawks’ starters Josh, Al, and Kyle Korver.
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
7:03 am
I just don’t buy in to the fact that Jeff Teague is not at least partially responsible for his development up til now. Some people act like the coaches are 100% to blame. Jeff Teague played in 70+ games in each of his first two years. You can probably count on one hand the # that he really had an impact on (CLE game / last of rookie season comes to mind).
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
7:13 am
I like Teague, but I want my PG to be the leader on the floor (or at least one of). Right now, Teague is just a follower.
vava74
December 28th, 2012
7:28 am
Just Joe,
Teague’s game is to handle the rock and attack attack attack.
That is how perceive to have been his game at the college level.
With the Hawks he was/is being asked to be a more traditional PG, in particular when he was lower in the pecking order with JJ, Jamal, Josh, Al, Bibby and even Marvin ahead of him.
The CHI series proved, IMO, what is Teague’s game and how he is effective (he had already shown that against CLE in the last game of his rookie season).
Given that player development and Hawks never seem to fit in the same sentence, it’s no wonder that Teague has had trouble finding the balance between his former self and what he needs to be.
Jimmy Crack
December 28th, 2012
7:57 am
Yea, pick on the little guy, Larry, but never even give a cross look to Mr. Sour-Lemons when he throws up a prayer when he should be driving the paint.
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
8:10 am
doc,
“(Be) True to the Game.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_zSt-qQfn4
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
8:24 am
doc,
Do you need a “Funkin’ Lesson” about “the system”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RARpRpEUTHs
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
8:30 am
doc,
Why won’t you “Heed the Word of the Brother”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPEhuvSw8I
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
8:36 am
doc,
If you see wrong in “the system,” you (sometimes) have to “Fight the Power.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WHe5fxS3dA
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
8:40 am
doc,
When it comes down to it, “You Must Learn.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVtVJ6Kq-Pk
TOTO
December 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Good Hawks! This is to Slimjr, High-sider and Rod from College Park. You’re referring to LD as Lame Duck well I refer to you three as “LD” – Local Dummies
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
8:50 am
doc,
I hate to say it but it appears you’ve “bought into ‘the system.’” Now, “You’re a Customer.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFVQtg6eDU
DS
December 28th, 2012
8:52 am
So you guys claim that Cousins and Lowry are better than Big Al and JT0??? Some of you need to watch basketball before posting here….
doc
December 28th, 2012
9:02 am
high sider? two players turned their backs on their coaches. what race were they? d will is famously known for driving sloan to extinction. was and is d will a racist or was it bigger than that? i never heard a caucasion pull the race card on that one and decry d will.
again two players of race didnt like the job their coach was doing and expressed frustration to the higher ups. their actions? it got the coaches of same color canned. i never said race isnt an issue only suggest it is a shallow man that always points to race as a cause wilthout digging deeper or always uss the race card as a knee jerk reaction. the man wants this. thecstars didnt strp up in either case to be accountable only shiwed their dusgystcwith the system. hs were they racist? answer some of these questions or at least try some discernment here. important word as it comes from the heart as much as the head. contemplate is another.
high sider fyi, i was protesting in the streets before many here were born and never in my life accepted inequality as a way of life even as a five year old first noticing the diferrences. going into the mlk museum brought me to tears. the greatest anger i have ever felt was over race issues. my greatest patients were during my training at grady making less than a dollar an hour sometimes more than 36 straight hours eithout sleep. yes working trauma, seeing and working against the clock on wounds black mem inflicted on other black men. i am just as vocal on the subject when i hear angry men of any color trying to simplify things down to something that isnt there to stir the pot to continue to keep us separate. it is just as damning.
sorry, i hear you only disagree on this one and it is obvious. your own prejudice keeps you in chains. i say this with utmost love and respect for you my fellow man.
i will look at the you tube when i get to a computer that supports it. this phone doesnt.
meanwhile, only two more victories takes us to 19-10 which i forecast five to six weeks ago. there are few games against teams we dont have a chance with: so this team as constructed, if they continue to play with energy, heh heh, and with purpose might exceed my highest expectation of 46 wins.
who knows a few ill timed injuries for our foes and we stay healthy? the sky?
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
9:06 am
@TOTO
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TOTO
December 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Good Hawks! This is to Slimjr, High-sider and Rod from College Park. You’re referring to LD as Lame Duck well I refer to you three as “LD” – Local Dummies
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I’m gonna tell “Dorothy” to take you back to the “Land of Oz” and leave you there. Maybe, I can convince her (”Dorothy”) to “drop you off” at a restaurant (in Asia).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toto_(Oz)
Ken Strickland
December 28th, 2012
9:08 am
Teague doesn’t have the personality that allows him to clash with the HC or his teammates, especially teammates(Bibby, JJ, Josh)that the HC is afraid to clash with. TParker has played with championship caliber players for his entire career.
He’s also played his entire career under a championship caliber HC who’s gone all out to support all of his players. Teague has played his entire career under 2 HCs who’ve never supported him and who went out of their way to keep him firmly anchored to the bench in favor of grossly underachieving vets who were actual liabilities.
If Teague played under a HC like POP, or got the support most quality PGs get from their HC, we’d silence all of these clowns who want him traded because they’re too stupid to realize he’s been the most productive PG we’ve had since the days of Mookie Blalock in his prime.
These clowns won’t rest until they see him traded for another version of MBibby, AJohnson, TLue, KHinrich etc. And now we have fans that have suddenly fallen in love with a total head case(DCousins), based on what they THINK OR BELIEVE he’ll accomplish when he’s not under suspension of course.
Can you imagine this tempermental man child teamed up with JSmith, who appears to be a milder version of him?
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
9:09 am
Vava…”Teague’s game is to handle the rock and attack attack attack.”
That’s all I want. Don’t try to make the young man in to Steve Nash. Teague should be averaging 4-6 free throw attempts per game (like Parker…like Lowry). Be aggressive, young man.
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
9:11 am
@TOTO
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TOTO
December 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Good Hawks! This is to Slimjr, High-sider and Rod from College Park. You’re referring to LD as Lame Duck well I refer to you three as “LD” – Local Dummies
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“So Wat Cha Sayin’”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4HJ-xvmSyo
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
9:20 am
doc,
I “read” you loud and clear. I’ve been “molded and shaped” by my experiences and I (sometimes) see everything through a “prism of race.” I wasn’t trying to disrespect you in any way.
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
9:26 am
doc,
I posted the (”YouTube”) videos (partially) in jest.
MsDee
December 28th, 2012
9:29 am
Many on here saying that the Nets were wrong in firing Avery Johnson. I have to disagree. I dont really think he was fired based ONLY on the record. I think he was fired because he lost control of his players. I mean, u have some who like Avery then u have some who felt like he wasnt calling the right plays at the right time (DWill). Instead of Avery sitting down after games or practices to see what works best with the players on his team, he just stayed consistent with what was obviously not working which got himself fired!! On NBATV, Jon Berry said both Joe and DWILL were avg well below their career numbers in FG%. THAT’S ON THE COACH!! And on top of that, THE PLAYERS HAVE NOW LOST RESPECT FOR YA. But I will say this, Brooklyn’s organization along with the pressure of JayZ boosting this team up b4 a single game was even played, definitely placed unnecessary pressure on Avery Johnson then need be. That could have happen to ANY COACH!! Case-in-point, Mike Brown of the Lakers. TOO MUCH PRESSURE B4 A SINGLE GAME WAS PLAYED!!
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
9:29 am
Ken, everything you’re saying about Teague’s personality, or his need to be supported by his coaching staff, just reinforces my concerns. Dude’s 24 yrs old now. This is his 4th year in the league. He’s a league-avg PG right now (yes, unfortunately that still makes him the best we’ve had since Mookie), and we have to make a decision on his future this summer.
Question: Based on what you’ve seen so far this year (10-20 pts per game, 5-10 assists, 1-2 steals, 1-2 rebounds, 2-3 turnovers), if New Orleans offers Teague a 4-yr $40M+ contract on day 1 of free agency, are you matching?
drmaryb .(""_ ^).
December 28th, 2012
9:31 am
MVT!
Without Jeff, the Hawks lose to the Pistons! Where is the accolade for that? Why blame Jeff for recent losses when the whole team is NOT rebounding the ball and, the Coach’s player rotations suck to high heavens?
Leave Jeff alone! And, STOP calling him out in the local rag-tag newspaper, fool!
drmaryb .(""_ ^).
December 28th, 2012
9:39 am
Gone Bye - Bye!
Mr Napoleon is gone bye-bye. Before Avery was hired, many of us on this blog opined about the micro-managers that wear on peoples nerves.
drmaryb .(""_ ^).
December 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Nerve Wreckers!
Doug Collins
Larry Brown
Avery Johnson (the voice)
Stan Van Gundy
Thomas Thibbadeau
These type high intensity personalities have a very short shelf life and, can only be digested in small bites/doses. Imho
Rusty
December 28th, 2012
10:05 am
drmaryb. You 100% right on with every thing you said about JT .he is perfect for this team,gets out & runs,doesn’t turn the ball over much,only one who penetrates,very unselfish always looking for his teamates and playe great defense which would be even better if he wasn’t always playing help defense.
Rusty
December 28th, 2012
10:07 am
I would definetely pay him 40m for 5 years especially if LD is gone.
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Rusty, not $8M a year ($40M/5), we’re talking over $10M a year ($40M+/4)? Isn’t that what Curry, Lawson, and Holiday got? (Can’t remember & too lazy to look it up)
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Since Avery Johnson has been fired (as the Nets head coach), my (next) question is: What is NBA TV going to do with (all) those current (and [perhaps] future) episodes of “The Association: Brooklyn Nets”? Is it (now) “apropos” for someone to (”step up” and) say (that) “the show must go on”?
http://www.nba.com/the-association/brooklyn-nets/
vava74
December 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Just Joe,
I like Teague a lot, but under the current CBA, 10 million per is too much for Teague.
6 to 7 million is more than enough to cover his current production.
vava74
December 28th, 2012
10:27 am
And any decision about Teague should come AFTER the push for the targeted free agents.
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
10:27 am
FIRE DERON WILLIAMS!
Astro Joe
December 28th, 2012
10:36 am
I wonder if some of you guys are as thin-skinned and soft as you act when someone says anything critical of your favorite player. Do you cry in your pillow when your boss suggests that you need to do better? It seems highly unlikely that LD’s comments came AFTER the Pistons game… think of the timing people. Re-read the posts, the games mentioned were from last week.
Most head coaches are more likely to forgive physical mistakes rather than mental ones. Mike Bibby simply did not have the agility to defend quick PGs, but as long as he made the righ mental decisions (i.e., attempted to funnel his man into a help defender), he mostly went without criticiam. You can’t coach a player to be more physically able than he is. But things like effort, fighting through a screen, constantly pushing the tempo… all of those are MENTAL things. And a head coach should NEVER accept anything less than exceptional mental performance.
Seriously, is LD supposed to tell Horford to grow 2 inches? Is he supposed to tell Zaza to catch the ball better? Is he supposed to tell Korver to be stronger when he is playing post defense? Those are all physical limitations. You can’t fix those through coaching or ‘calling out a player for being too short, having bad hands or not being physically strong.
Speaking of Bibby, imagine if Bibby had allowed a back-up PG to go for 30+ against him. I kind of doubt we’d see the same out-pouring of support as found on this blog.
vava74
December 28th, 2012
10:46 am
AJ,
I think you make valid points, but in the past, Horford was substantially more forceful in the post.
I think that breaking TJ Ford’s neck made him substantially less stern on D.
Defense, even in the post, is not only length and reach.
It’s also wanting to do everything, including hard fouls, to make your adversary wonder if they go full force may end up with them knocked down and hurting.
doc
December 28th, 2012
10:48 am
high sider you used the exact words i came close to using that of only viewing life through “one prism”. means you see fewer exciting colors:
also in my work now i suggest folks work to reframe thoughts and to see how many different len’s they can use before making a conclusion.
we will continue this uh, discussion more probably and again with respect.
Duluth Joe
December 28th, 2012
10:55 am
A salary of 7-8M per year is fair for Teague.
George Hill makes 8M per year.
Lin averages to 8M (approximately) per year.
Teague is equal level player to both George Hill and Lin.
Lawson and Holliday make around 11-12M per year.
Lawson last year and Holliday this year have performed better than Teague.
Duluth Joe
December 28th, 2012
11:05 am
“Mr Napoleon is gone bye-bye. Before Avery was hired, many of us on this blog opined about the micro-managers that wear on peoples nerves.”
DrMaryb may be correct. There were rumors about Avery’s style back in his Dallas days. I wonder if his style may have grown tiresome with Nets veterans. Though certainly Nets seem to have unreal expectations of a team coming together quickly.
This is another reason why Larry Drew has elements of a good coach in NBA. His style works well with veteran players. Even when he has issues (disciplinary) with Ivan, T-Mac, Josh Powell in the past, or when he has benched Josh, we hear very little about what happened. Ability to work with veteran NBA players is something Avery may not have mastered.
LouWill83
December 28th, 2012
11:08 am
Bought the NBA league pass Hawks Pass yesterday and have been watching 4th quarters of all Games for the season. Jeff Teague has been huge late in games in so many ways with his dribble penetration so LD better back off and start giving the young one more confidence to run the show
Astro Joe
December 28th, 2012
11:09 am
vava, I only saw the last few minutes of the 4th quarter and thw 2 OTs. When Horford made a move to defend Bynum, the Pistons hit Drummond on alley-oops. When he stayed with Drummond, Bynum was able to get to the rim. In previous years, fans would have pointed to the ability of the opposing PG to get drible-penetration into the lane. But during the Pistons game, all fingers were pointing at Horford because he was unable to defend both the PG AND the athletic center (at the same time). I agree with all who said that Horford did a poor job of defending both Bynum AND Drumond. Of course, I would suggest that 9 of 10 centers wouldn’t be able to defend both of those guys and that maybe, just maybe, keeping the PG out of the lane wasn’t Horford’s responsibility.
To your other point, yes, Horford doesn’t bang as much as he used to but he is a much better player than when he was 2-3 years ago. This season has only confirmed what I have said ad nauseum, if Josh, Al (or Joe Johnson) are your best players, then your ceiling is the 2nd round. Watching Josh and Al get more touches has not changed my opinion.
High-sider
December 28th, 2012
11:10 am
To: vava74, Duh and all (other) Jamal Crawford haters
Happy Holidays!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvUa8csd_DE
MsDee
December 28th, 2012
11:11 am
Drew puts so much pressure on Horford with his 2 foul rule that Horford just plays alittle too careful when it comes to fouling players hard in the lane, esp when the PG’s are allowing them to just run free in the lane. Horford still has his man to look out for underneath the basket.
Slimjr
December 28th, 2012
11:19 am
” I am not a Horford hater, I call it like I see it. On every team, I’ve ever played on the center is always the last line of defense. Regardless of what the guards do, you as a center must protect the rim. Teams never attack Josh at the rim, they always go at Horford. I wonder why? Allowing point guards to go right at you with no resistance is not good defense on any level.”
It tires to watch this dude watch a layup line form in the painted area..Doe this guy ever foul out? Does he ever ever take a charge? Hmmmm
The purple haze is thick[His fan club]…
Hey TS, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Slimjr
December 28th, 2012
11:20 am
Does^^^^^
MsDee
December 28th, 2012
11:21 am
SlimJr,
“It tires to watch this dude watch a layup line form in the painted area..Doe this guy ever foul out?”
Does LeBron ever foul out????Hummmmm, well of course not if u can make 1 foul ever 2 years..
vava74
December 28th, 2012
11:24 am
High-sider,
I am not a Jamal hater, I simply don’t live inside his jock like you do, looking at his underachieving career with Babie’s rosy glasses that turn everything sooo wonderful.
Jamal this year is on fire, top 5 material in the season and it will be huge injustice if he is not invited to the All-Star game by the coaches.
However, as I said before, this year’s Jamal only accentuates my feelings of the Jamal in the past given that he finally started to behave like a pro 12 years into his career.
Slimjr
December 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Yes its thickkkkkkk
LouWill83
December 28th, 2012
11:33 am
can someone please tell me where can I find following stat:
Rank of playert FT Attempt per game
thx
Duluth Joe
December 28th, 2012
11:37 am
Vava74, speaking to Jamal’s time in Atlanta, as that is only period when I followed him closely, I wouldn’t call him an under-achiever. If anything, he was a difference maker, and one that both fans and teammates praised, and was officially recognized by him winning sixth man of the year award.
Sometimes, how you perform based on your record, is a direct function of the team(s) (weak teams) you play on.
vava74
December 28th, 2012
11:42 am
AJ,
Not commenting on the Pistons’ game, which I did not watch more than the condense version of the NBA league pass and from which I will not draw conclusions.
My feelings towards Al’s diminished physicality relate to a period of more or less 2 years. IMO, this has affected how opponent see the Hawks’ painted area.
MsDee has a point as well since LD is completely orthodox about his 2 foul rule which almost invariably ends up with the player that reaches that point sitting on the bench for crucial periods and that certainly changes how they approach D.
I rather have my best men working during a consistent period and build a lead that allows to sit them further down the road than preserving them at the cost of being less competitive during what many times is a crucial moment in the game.
Also, did Al ever foul out?
LouWill83
December 28th, 2012
11:45 am
Teacher: Hi Students, your assignment for the day is attached below. You have 2 minutes to answer. Begin.
Question: What do the Hawks Management have to do to make this team a contender?
Top Answer: They need to get a list of the top 7 FT Attempts players per game. Once that list is retrieved, they need to put those 7 names in a box and have Bob Rathbun randomly pick one name from it. Then they need to throw all the cash they have on that player, dont worry they will make back that investment in no time once philips will sell out evrey night and from jersey sales.
Teacher: Wow student, you should be proud of that answer. 98 Percentile. Good Job. Lets have s..x
vava74
December 28th, 2012
11:47 am
Duluth Joe
December 28th, 2012
11:37 am
Jamal had a very good first season and an average second season, partly due to LD playing him at the PG slot.
However, it’s always underachieving since his offensive talent is over the moon and he could have been much better than he has been until now.
Jamal’s shot selection (prior to this year) has been consistently worse than Josh’s however people seem to be more into Josh’s than into Jamal because even the horrible shots that Jamal take “look nice” whilst Josh’s airballs are nasty to look at.
However, the end result the same. Jamal has always played like a show-boater, almost autistic, not particularly interested in his team-mates or with an eschewed perception of what he could or not do to help his team win games.
And on defense, I have never seen such a disinterested player.
Just Joe
December 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Lou…so that’s Dwight, Harden, Durant, Kobe, Love, Melo, and Westbrook. I understand now.