Game thread: Hawks to start Lou Williams, Harris out
Vivlamore reporting.
A little weary from a much-delayed flight from Philadelphia this morning. However, as the sign over the Hawks’ locker room door reads: ‘No Excuses.’
* Larry Drew talked about making a lineup change following Friday’s lopsided loss to the Sixers and the coach delivered Saturday. Against the Bulls, the Hawks will start Lou Williams at shooting guard. He will be joined in the starting lineup by Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, Josh Smith and Al Horford.
Drew said he would have started Devin Harris at the shooting guard. However, Harris will miss his third straight game with a sore left foot.
“(Getting early energy), that is number one,” Drew said of the lineup change. “Number two, I want to play faster. So we’ll go with a smaller guy in there. If I had Devin Harris it would have been Devin. I kind of want to play a little more up-tempo tonight. Hopefully, it won’t affect us too much from a matchup standpoint. If it does, we’ll just have to make some adjustments.”
* Harris, as I reported yesterday, will miss the game due to the foot injury. Drew also called swingman DeShawn Stevenson a game-time decision although, in reality, he would like to rest the 13-year veteran on the second of back-to-back games.
* In the Bulls, the Hawks face a big, physical front court, a similar issue as they faced against the Sixers last night. I asked Drew how he planned to handle this situation and if he would do anything differently tonight.
“We just have to be better at what we do,” Drew said. “With their size, chances are we’ll be changing our lineup some throughout the course of the game and go a little bit bigger. We’ve played teams where we’ve given up size and we’ve been able to be competitive.
“That is the main thing going into the game against Chicago because they do play a physical style of ball with their size. We just have to be better. As I told the guys after the Philadelphia game, it’s not so much what Philly did to us, it’s what we did to ourselves. We have to play harder and be more competitive. That has to be something from the very beginning. Last night, we didn’t start the game that way. On the road, you can’t play like that and that inconsistent with your effort.”
* We could see a battle of the Teague brothers tonight. Jeff will face his younger brother Marquis, a rookie with the Bulls. Additionally, Korver played the past two seasons with the Bulls and Kirk Hinrich played the past season and a half with the Hawks. Ironically, Korver has the locker once occupied by Hinrich.
- Chris Vivlamore
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131 comments Add your comment
Grimey
December 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
Love the move
Grimey
December 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
Jenkins and scott proved they can bring it as well
Grimey
December 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
Hope to see them in action
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm
FTPB — wouldn’t trade for Amare in a million years; would only trade for Cousins if he would be more attractive in a sign and trade with the Lakers for Dwight than anyone on the current roster. I would not trade for Cousins to be a long term building block for this team. It’s one thing to have a few minor blow ups and bouts with immaturity like Josh had in his first few seasons; it’s another thing to get coaches fired and get suspended indefinitely multiple times. Cousins’ off the court problems put him a lot closer to Isaiah Rider than to Josh.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
6:15 pm
Post:
http://repatl.blogspot.com/2012/12/catching-up-with-numbers-as-hawks.html
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm
LD once again disappoints me. Teague and Lou in the back court together to start the game? Korver guarding Luol Deng? Not a fan of this at all.
I have no idea why he doesn’t go to the big lineup more. Zaza is the perfect antidote to Noah.
Grimey
December 22nd, 2012
6:18 pm
@Najeh Deng would get Josh into foul trouble early thats why he didnt go with that lineup
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:18 pm
Last night’s debacle dropped the Hawks two spots to 7th in the league in defensive rating. That is the lowest I can remember them being since the first week of the season. The big lineup would go a long way toward pulling them back up. The current lineup, not so much.
Hopefully Al brings it tonight against his former college teammate, because if he plays like he did last night, the Hawks are going to get run out of the gym the way Noah has been playing.
Chris Vivlamore
December 22nd, 2012
6:20 pm
Lou Williams has gone 173 games without a start, his last coming March 14, 2010.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
6:20 pm
Terrible move. Another three guard lineup against a big front court. And who is the backup point guard?
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
6:22 pm
Hope we get to see Marquis Teague, one of my favorites in the draft.
EmirS.
December 22nd, 2012
6:28 pm
I see us getting out rebounded tonight. Deng is a better rebounder than most give him credit. He KNOWS how to block out.
MattP
December 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm
So no PG off bench? lol’d
What a lineup change! Larry Drew at it again.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:35 pm
The Bulls love running that play where they run a pick and roll, the ball handler passes to a big man standing near the foul line, and the big man either nails the free throw line jumper or passes to another player (often the other big man who set the initial screen) cutting on the baseline for a dunk. With three guards on the floor, if the Hawks switch screens like they did yesterday, they are going to have an awfully hard time defending that play. Chicago and Philly do a lot of similar things offensively, and going small puts a ton of pressure on Josh and Al to protect the rim.
LD took the Bulls to 6 games in the playoffs a couple of years ago in part because he went big. No idea why he doesn’t see the wisdom in doing that tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
FTPB
“If josh can’t convince dwight to come here, then having Morrow won’t make a difference (IMO).”
True. I can’t think of a very good reason why Ferry hasn’t tried to trade Morrow other than that, though.
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
Looking at Hawks last loses, methinks Hawks are trying to tank their season. I say this because I see Hawks not closing out enough and giving superior athletes just that little window they need to pull the trigger. I see Hawks making unforced turnovers that make me gape in disbelief. I saw Al make no attempt to block Hawes shot, just allowded the man to roll free for a layup. I see Hawks rimming out multiple shots, and missing free throws.
What happened to Hawks much vaunted defense? What happened to their fast break offense? Coach talks about energy. I think it’s more than that. I think it’s more about desire.
Why would Hawks tank their season? Does Commish Stern want to see a New York Miami match up in the conference finals? Does Ferry want to get up in the draft? Call me a conspiratory theorist, but I just cannot understand the Hawks right now.
Or maybe they are just not good enough, and have been feeding on the bottom feeders all season. Now they gotta play the Bulls with Noah, Deng and Hawks killer, little Nate?
To me the question is not if they lose tonight, it’s by how much?
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
7:04 pm
Grandad JT & Lou have very little in common as ball players .
terrell
December 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm
Why wont this fool just start Morrow or Jenkins, and keep lou as 5th man where he’s comfortable? Oh yeah, it’ LD we’re talking about. Well at least Lou gets to play the 2. LD thinks he’s a pg. smgdh
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:12 pm
Hawks are going to have major problems scoring in the half court if Korver continues to not make open shots.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:14 pm
Lineup change hasn’t made the Hawks’ offense any less discombobulated than it has been the last 4 games.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:17 pm
Noah should have dunked that.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm
Bob needs to stop saying “reacharound”.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm
LOL Bob Rathbun:
“And a reach-around on Al.”
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:19 pm
Good D Josh.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
7:21 pm
To: Najeh Davenpoop
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Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
“I said per-minute stats are actual/real because they are based on or are derived from a player’s actual/real per-game stats. Per-36 minutes stats are theoretical/projected/extrapolated stats when a player’s average minutes played per game stats are (significantly) less than 36.0+(mpg).”
Great, now we’re getting somewhere. I have been talking about per-minute stats for like three days and you keep responding talking about per-36 stats. [Per minute stats are not derived from per game stats at all, but whatever.]* At least I have been able to convince you that per-minute stats are not just some fabrication.
At this point this Jamal vs. Lou thing is getting old and wasn’t particularly relevant in the first place, but I already explained in a previous post that Lou gets to the line better than Jamal at roughly the same rate that LeBron scores better than Josh. Since you now agree that per minute stats mean something, maybe you’ll see the validity in that post. Or not. It’s all good.
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Damn, you (Najeh Davenpoop) just don’t want to “get it” (understand). Keep feeding your ego.
“Per-Minute Statistics
What does Per-Minute Statistics Mean?
A metric that takes standard NBA statistics, and instead of breaking them down by production per game, breaks them down by production per minute. This calculation can be done for most of the official statistics that are kept by the NBA.”
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/per-minute-statistics.aspx
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
The insane love of Jenkins on this blog (and before that JC2, Benson, etc) boggles my mind. No one has ever seen him play when anything is on the line. Why do you guys want him to play so bad?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
That Bellinelli post up is there for the Bulls all night if they want it.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
Two missed layups by Al.
Gorila
December 22nd, 2012
7:23 pm
I was at the game last night at Wells Fargo Center. I loved seen the Hawks play live because I could notice a lot of things that normally fly under the TV radar.
1. As a unit, the Hawks were not on the same page on both ends of the floor.- on defense they played atrocious: 1. The frontcourt had to deal with their assigments plus the ones of the lazy backcour; 2. Nobody boxed out (except for Zaza); 3. Nobody got consistently in position to rebound (except for Zaza, Ivan); 4. Nobody went after the long rebounds, and they became second chance points for the Sixers; 5. Help defense was non existent (except for Josh); 6. Nobody was willing to foul in order to prevent a basket. On offense: 1. Things regressed to ISOs, I saw a lot of iso-Josh and iso-Lou; 2. They rarely completed three passes per offensive turn; 3. Setting a screen download to free Korver or Lou was chaotic; 4. Horford got free frequently after setting pick and roll screens but the ball never got to him; 5. Horford and Smith lived in the 16-23 ft area.
2. Lou Williams was atrocious at PG!! he could not complete a clean pass, could not complete a single pick and roll play with Al, and tends to be a ball-hog. He looked pretty good coming off screens tough.
3. Korver was a hustler! He moved a lot in offense, looking to come off screens. Sadly, when he got opened he rarely got the pass on time. Most of his points where spot up shots, not because of a designed play for him. On the defensive side, he tried hard to stay with his man.
4. Say what you want about Zaza, but he is a warrior. He banged the whole game. He touched the ball in almost every offensive and defensive possession (either with a pass, rebound, tipping the ball towards a teammate, offensive attempt). On the other hand, he needs to learn how to catch the ball ASAP! Ivan played decently as well.
5. I liked what I saw from the rookies. Mike Scott did look well and I think he can help us at the post. He has a really nice shoot, a work in progress post moves, and is willing to fight down low.
Jenkins is a smooth shooter, both coming off screens and as spot up. On the other hand, that is the only aspect of the game he did well. I doubt his offensive capabilities would be enough for him to earn playing time. I don”t see him helping the team this year.
6. Most of Josh turnovers came from trying to force passes with high degree of difficulty. I saw that he has a nice feeling of the game flow but overestimates his passing abilities. His jump shot was surprisingly falling.
And last:
7. I don’t know what the h… is going on with Al Horford! The guy was a complete non-factor last night, and I went to the game to see him in particular. On defense he was a good man-to-man defender but his help defense was non existent! He did not leave his man to defend the post. There was one play were Thaddeus Young got pass his defender and made a lay up; Al was literally one step away from him and he just watched him score. Not even raised his arm. Also, he did not boxed out either, did not fight for rebounding position, did not banged at all, and only pursue middle to long rebounds. On offense, I noticed that the offensive scheme puts him outside the paint. That maybe why he rarely post up. The once upon a time, automatic middle-range jumper, is not falling. He got free after setting screens but he did not get the ball. He post-up two times, and one was a nice hook shot; nonetheless, he cannot create his own shot, so, when you take away the pick and roll/pop (Lou) he struggles to score. It was so disappointing! I want to see the intensity of rookie Al again.
Well, that’s my amateur opinion. Thanks guys!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:24 pm
Of course LD brings in Tolliver before Ivan. SMGDMFH
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:25 pm
Toliver in before Zaza.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
Ugliest game I’ve seen in a while.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:28 pm
“A metric that takes standard NBA statistics, and instead of breaking them down by production per game, breaks them down by production per minute. ”
Right. It takes standard NBA statistics and breaks them down per minute instead of per game. You know that by “standard NBA statistics” they mean TOTALS, right? Not per game stats?
Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:29 pm
ZaZa mixing it up early.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
ZaZa needs to start and play 30 minutes
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
Korver played better D on Deng.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:32 pm
Tolliver before Ivan. Un-f-cking-believable. This is the worst thing about the Thunder game by far, even worse than the fact that they lost.
DawgNole
December 22nd, 2012
7:33 pm
I see Rathbun and Nique are in fine form already–whining about fouls at both ends that they and only they perceive as ref bias against the Hawks. No pretense of professionalism.
lewis
December 22nd, 2012
7:33 pm
hideous
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
It seems as though High sider and Najeh have finally agreed that they agreed all along
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
5 turnovers, 7 made field goals in that quarter for the Hawks. At least of those five turnovers, none of them were returned for touchdowns.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
Deng is working Tolliver over.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
Why is Tolliver on the team, much less in the game, much less guarding their best player
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm
WTH Zaza
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm
Najeh Davenpoop,
Per-minute stats may mean something to ANAL-MINDED GM’s and FANTASY SPORTS STAT GEEKS but they don’t mean very much to me nor do those “Per 36 Minutes” stats. And I explained to you (or at least attempt to) the difference between “actual” and “theoretical” “Per 36 Minutes” stats. I agreed Lou gets to the FT line at a better rate than Jamal but since Jamal shoots higher % from the FT line (than Lou), it all cancels/washes itself (out). It was (really) never about per-minute stats. You just want to be right even though you are wrong. And now you’re trying to (re-)frame the narrative regarding the debate/discussion.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm
Bulls are driving inside, Hawks are settling for jumpers.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
“Per-minute stats may mean something to ANAL-MINDED GM’s and FANTASY SPORTS STAT GEEKS but they don’t mean very much to me nor do those “Per 36 Minutes” stats. And I explained to you (or at least attempt to) the difference between “actual” and “theoretical” “Per 36 Minutes” stats. ”
LOL. Just please don’t whine that I’m insulting you or being condescending anymore. Ignorance is a lot more tolerable than hypocrisy.
J.J.M.
December 22nd, 2012
7:41 pm
^^^you should know by now hawks dont have a layer who drives the ball every game
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:41 pm
Zaza’s per minute rebounding stats indicate he should play more, given how poorly the Hawks rebound as a team.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:42 pm
Two nice post moves for Al in this half, plus a mid range jumper. Nice start after a bad week for him.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm
^Correction/edition: “I agreed [in an earlier post that] Lou gets to the FT line at a better rate than Jamal but since Jamal shoots [a]* higher % from the FT line (than Lou)….”
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm
“Zaza’s per minute rebounding stats indicate he should play more, given how poorly the Hawks rebound as a team.”
Hey Buddy, are you an anal minded GM or a fantasy sports stat geek? Because those are the only people who pay attention to per minute stats, you know.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm
Zaza has played very well defensively this half.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm
Korver hits a 3 on his old team.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
High-sider
Wouldn’t Per Minute stats be more indicative of a reserve players value. For example if a GM was looking to pickup Ivan. His per game stats wouldn’t show much but his per minute shows a very productive role player.
Johnny
December 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
Big lineup working well so far.
Where is John Jenkins?
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
Korver’s denial on Butler broke up CHI’s play.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:48 pm
Al passes up a decent post up opportunity, and the possession ends in a terrible contested Lou 3.
DawgNole
December 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
LOL. Just please don’t whine that I’m insulting you or being condescending anymore. Ignorance is a lot more tolerable than hypocrisy.
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I’m just hoping he doesn’t post his course load again.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
Playing pretty good right now. Go Hawks
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Damn Lou!
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Louuuuuu!!
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
These are the Hawks I know!
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Haha everybody going at Kirk.
Bird
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Lou should’ve been starting a long time ago!!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
“I’m just hoping he doesn’t post his course load again.”
LOL That was one of the funnier things I have seen here in a while. Why not take it a step further and require everyone to upload their college transcripts before being allowed to post.
DS
December 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm
Hawks are finally playing some basketball!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
Kirk got owned by Lou but I respect players who are willing to challenge shots without fear of being posterized, though. A lot better than getting out of the way and allowing an uncontested layup just to avoid getting on the wrong side of a Sportscenter highlight.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm
That’s the Kirk we all remember
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm
Nice patience by Teague with the shot clock running down to identify Al on the switch and get him the ball.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:57 pm
Now that’s fun basketball.
drmaryb.(""_*).
December 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
Stomp The Yard!
KNUCKLEHEAD!
lol! re: “Ignorance is a lot more tolerable than hypocrisy … and, speaking of submitting college transcripts before posting?” -Najeh_
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This is just too much good stuff! And, my beloved Hawks are B A C KKKKKKKK!!! Let’s Go!
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
Where have these Hawks been? Welcome back!! Just finish up the game right!
J.J.M.
December 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
do we get to see tip?
DawgNole
December 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
Man, Falcons could take some lessons from this 2Q by the Hawks. Here’s hoping for an ATL sweep tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
First time in the last five games that they have shared the ball and had a plan on offense. Zaza came in and stabilized the D, and after he exited, the starting unit sped up the tempo to get the offense going.
And best of all, they managed to do all that and only turn it over once in the 2nd quarter.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
Lou should start for us. Really gives us an offensive threat and high energy. Either Korver or ZaZa with Al and Josh on front line. Play the starters major minutes in big games and we can win them
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm
Well LD is doing his job keeping JT & Ivan on the bench, what a dumb azz.
DS
December 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
Wow that was some awesome all around basketball. Great d, each player doing what they do best not taking dumb shots everyone moving off the ball, this is really exciting bball. Why can’t they play like this more often??
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
To: Najeh Davenpoop
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Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:28 pm
“A metric that takes standard NBA statistics, and instead of breaking them down by production per game, breaks them down by production per minute. ”
Right. It takes standard NBA statistics and breaks them down per minute instead of per game. You know that by “standard NBA statistics” they mean TOTALS, right? Not per game stats?
Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.
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“Sporting Charts explains Per-Minute Statistics
The concept of per-minute statistics is a basic building block of statistical analysis in basketball. While looking at per-game averages gives us some information about the productivity of a player, per-minute averages tells us a great deal more about how well, or poorly, that player is actually performing.
Basketball statistician John Hollinger has said of per-minute statistics, “It’s a pretty simple concept, but one that has largely escaped most NBA front offices: the idea that what a player does on a per-minute basis is far more important than his per-game stats. The latter tend to be influenced more by playing time than by quality of play, yet remain the most common metric of player performance.”
Let’s say a player averages 12 minutes of playing time per game, and scores 8 points per game. He is scoring at a rate of 0.67 points per minute. One can then look at what his rate projects to for any given amount of playing time, such as 36 minutes per game. Using our example, this player scores 24 points per 36 minutes of playing time.”
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/per-minute-statistics.aspx
I’m not whining. You’re just a liar or probably need psychiatric help. What’s funny is that you said per-minute stats are not derived from (actual) per-game stats. Now, that’s funny (in Martin [Payne] Lawrence voice). LOL
Sautee
December 22nd, 2012
8:05 pm
“Well LD is doing his job keeping JT & Ivan on the bench, what a dumb azz.” – Rusty
Let’s see Rusty, we’re up SIXTEEN. Do you think whatever LD is doing is working?
Some folks complain about the farmers with their mouth full.
Admiral SnAckbar
December 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
carefull Hawks, it could be a TRAP!!!
DS
December 22nd, 2012
8:07 pm
High sider and Najeh how long have you guys been going back and forth with this stuff? You guys should exchange email addresses and continue that conversation out of this blog… No offense intended here but seriously dudes, it’s just a blog
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:07 pm
“I’m not whining. You’re just a liar or probably need psychiatric help. What’s funny is that you said per-minute stats are not derived from (actual) per-game stats. Now, that’s funny (in Martin [Payne] Lawrence voice). LOL”
Did you even read what you just quoted? Because it directly contradicts everything you have said this week.
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm
High-sider
Same # either way.
total points / total minutes or (total points / games played) / (total minutes / games played)
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
“High sider and Najeh how long have you guys been going back and forth with this stuff? You guys should exchange email addresses and continue that conversation out of this blog… No offense intended here but seriously dudes, it’s just a blog”
I try to respond to anyone who addresses something directly to me. Doesn’t mean I haven’t long since lost interest in the topic of discussion.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:13 pm
DawgNole,
Quit hatin’ and start congratulatin’. I remember a professor telling the class that the way to distinguish yourself from your (college) peers is to major in the most rigorous field (of study) and make the best grades possible in that field.
You see, DawgNole, I’m not white like you probably are. I am a black male. I can’t “get by” off [of] my skin color (in the labor market or anywhere else in society). That’s for you, sucka.
Are you mad that you don’t have (any) mathematical aptitude, busta, and (that) I do?
“A hard ‘C’ beats an easy ‘A’ any day.”
drmaryb.(""_*).
December 22nd, 2012
8:15 pm
Dual Core Technology!
Looks like The Closer also, has Starter’s capabilities.
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm
Sautée I was behind,watching game on DVR ,big deal they are winning now,stupid coaching will usually not give good results.
Admiral SnAckbar
December 22nd, 2012
8:20 pm
Hawks running on all cylinders.
yea!
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 22nd, 2012
8:21 pm
When Al hits his jumpers we win. When he doesn’t we lose.
DS
December 22nd, 2012
8:22 pm
Hopefully that mid range jumper is back for good
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:25 pm
Najeh Davenpoop said: “Right. It takes standard NBA statistics and breaks them down per minute instead of per game. You know that by “standard NBA statistics” they mean TOTALS, right? Not per game stats?
*Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.”
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The link/articled, http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/per-minute-statistics.aspx ,: says/said:
Sporting Charts explains Per-Minute Statistics
The concept of per-minute statistics is a basic building block of statistical analysis in basketball. While looking at per-game averages gives us some information about the productivity of a player, per-minute averages tells us a great deal more about how well, or poorly, that player is actually performing.
Basketball statistician John Hollinger has said of per-minute statistics, “It’s a pretty simple concept, but one that has largely escaped most NBA front offices: the idea that what a player does on a per-minute basis is far more important than his per-game stats. The latter tend to be influenced more by playing time than by quality of play, yet remain the most common metric of player performance.”
Let’s say a player averages 12 minutes of playing time per game, and scores 8 points per game. He is scoring at a rate of 0.67 points per minute. One can then look at what his rate projects to for any given amount of playing time, such as 36 minutes per game. Using our example, this player scores 24 points per 36 minutes of playing time.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:28 pm
Hawks have something cooking last 2 years on back to backs. It grieves me to say it but LD gets credit here
Johnny
December 22nd, 2012
8:29 pm
Great D from Kyle on Deng. Really impressive.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
Najeh said: “Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.”
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The article says/said: “Let’s say a player averages 12 minutes of playing time per game, and scores 8 points per game. He is scoring at a rate of 0.67 points per minute. One can then look at what his rate projects to for any given amount of playing time, such as 36 minutes per game. Using our example, this player scores 24 points per 36 minutes of playing time.”
Per-minute stats are derived from (actual) per-game stats.
Michael
December 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm
Please put Jenkins in
drmaryb.(""_*).
December 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm
Low Sider!
Knock it off with those novels man. It’s GAME NIGHT fool! [lol]
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm
I didn’t see this blowout comin’.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm
Very encouraging to see the Hawks step on the Bulls’ throat in the 3rd quarter and not let them back in the game.
Hawks 34 rebounds (11 offensive); Bulls 23 rebounds (5 offensive).
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:41 pm
Al is back strong tonight
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:41 pm
drmaryb,
Was the above [post] short enough for ya?
Get ya “scroll-on.” LOL
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:42 pm
Hawks ballin’.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Was that brief (enough), drmaryb?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm
“Per-minute stats are derived from (actual) per-game stats.”
Both are derived independently from aggregate totals, dude. Divide the total by the number of games, and you get per game stats. Divide the total by the number of minutes, and you get per minute stats. Honestly, I am starting to think that you are just continuing this conversation because I said something bad about your hero.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:46 pm
Lil’ Teague has some skills, but damn he is raw. He has a long way to go.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm
It took drmaryb to save us all from the genius High-sider posts. If she wasn’t already the blog MVP then she definitely is now. Go Hawks and since it’s Christmas we still love the High-sider too
Big Ray
December 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm
Rod ,
Well it seems Horford’s BBall IQ has returned.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:49 pm
Is LD “outcoaching” Thibs?
Thibs beats Woody [last night].
LD beats Thibs [tonight].
LD beats Woody [in the future]?
Jae Evolution
December 22nd, 2012
8:49 pm
Would be pretty awesome as a parent to see both your kids on the same court in NBA jerseys.
terrell
December 22nd, 2012
8:51 pm
Wtf Teague stll doing out there? And wgere is Jenkins?
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
8:51 pm
Jae….would make you feel a lot better about retiring early.
Jae Evolution
December 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm
Shoot away Jenkins, shoot away.
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm
Well, well, well. This Hawks team does suprises you, don’t they?
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm
Not sure this group can survive garbage time. No point guard on the floor. Ivan as point forward and no defense
vava74
December 22nd, 2012
8:55 pm
What an horrible line up.
Does he want to make it interesting?
What would be the problem of keeping the Teague family duel going?
At least we would have a chance at seeing JJ2 playing his natural position.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm
“Per-minute stats are derived from (actual) per-game stats.”
Both are derived independently from aggregate totals, dude. Divide the total by the number of games, and you get per game stats. Divide the total by the number of minutes, and you get per minute stats. Honestly, I am starting to think that you are just continuing this conversation because I said something bad about your hero.
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In order to log minutes, a player has to play (in) games. Stop, Najeh, you’re clownin’ yourself.
Jamal has nothing to do with this. Jamal is not my hero. I like his game on the court. Jamal’s game is flawed like every NBA player’s game.
Just Joe, tell Najeh that (it’s the same) – not me.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm
There’s the Vlad Rad we all know and love.
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm
Nice to see Hawks laughing and goofing off on the bench.
Hope Al is off his slump. Hawks need him badly.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm
Vlad Rad still sucks. Tolliver is an upgrade
Big Ray
December 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm
I actually like LD’s lineup change. It has paid off…
Teague isn’t having a great game FG percentage-wise, bt he has 8 dimes going into the 4th quarter…nothing wrong with that ….
Where’s WorldWide Clyde to show us how Korver scored more than JSmoove in fewer minutes?
Both guys have been average but also pretty efficient (never knock a guy shooting 50% from the field).
Loving what LouWill did.
So much for the Bulls having Horford on lock…
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
Ivan is not shy at all to pull the trigger.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
Is the Hawks’ “D” this good or is the Bulls’ “O” that bad?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
Ivan deserves better than just garbage time minutes.
Big Ray
December 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm
LD beats Woody [in the future]?
A battle of the dumba$$es? Nah…if anythng it’s Carmelo and J.R. Smith beat our 2 and 3….
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm
Touchdown Roddy White
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm
Hawks (soon-to-be) 16 – 10.
DawgNole
December 22nd, 2012
9:01 pm
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:13 pm
DawgNole,
Quit hatin’ and start congratulatin’. I remember a professor telling the class that the way to distinguish yourself from your (college) peers is to major in the most rigorous field (of study) and make the best grades possible in that field.
You see, DawgNole, I’m not white like you probably are. I am a black male. I can’t “get by” off [of] my skin color (in the labor market or anywhere else in society). That’s for you, sucka.
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Ignorant posts like this don’t serve you or anyone else on here well. Anyone who brags on a blog about his curriculum has serious issues, as others on here already have pointed out.
Weren’t you instructed last night to quit whinin’ and blabberin’? That would be advice worth following.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
9:01 pm
That was not the prettiest post up of Mike Scott’s life.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
9:03 pm
Excuse me, that’s 16 – 9.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
9:05 pm
DawgNole,
I wasn’t bragging. Najeh said I didn’t understand basic math or something like 4th grade. I was just lettin’ him know. You didn’t have to say nothin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoX8PQ4Dm4Q