Game thread: Hawks to start Lou Williams, Harris out
Vivlamore reporting.
A little weary from a much-delayed flight from Philadelphia this morning. However, as the sign over the Hawks’ locker room door reads: ‘No Excuses.’
* Larry Drew talked about making a lineup change following Friday’s lopsided loss to the Sixers and the coach delivered Saturday. Against the Bulls, the Hawks will start Lou Williams at shooting guard. He will be joined in the starting lineup by Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, Josh Smith and Al Horford.
Drew said he would have started Devin Harris at the shooting guard. However, Harris will miss his third straight game with a sore left foot.
“(Getting early energy), that is number one,” Drew said of the lineup change. “Number two, I want to play faster. So we’ll go with a smaller guy in there. If I had Devin Harris it would have been Devin. I kind of want to play a little more up-tempo tonight. Hopefully, it won’t affect us too much from a matchup standpoint. If it does, we’ll just have to make some adjustments.”
* Harris, as I reported yesterday, will miss the game due to the foot injury. Drew also called swingman DeShawn Stevenson a game-time decision although, in reality, he would like to rest the 13-year veteran on the second of back-to-back games.
* In the Bulls, the Hawks face a big, physical front court, a similar issue as they faced against the Sixers last night. I asked Drew how he planned to handle this situation and if he would do anything differently tonight.
“We just have to be better at what we do,” Drew said. “With their size, chances are we’ll be changing our lineup some throughout the course of the game and go a little bit bigger. We’ve played teams where we’ve given up size and we’ve been able to be competitive.
“That is the main thing going into the game against Chicago because they do play a physical style of ball with their size. We just have to be better. As I told the guys after the Philadelphia game, it’s not so much what Philly did to us, it’s what we did to ourselves. We have to play harder and be more competitive. That has to be something from the very beginning. Last night, we didn’t start the game that way. On the road, you can’t play like that and that inconsistent with your effort.”
* We could see a battle of the Teague brothers tonight. Jeff will face his younger brother Marquis, a rookie with the Bulls. Additionally, Korver played the past two seasons with the Bulls and Kirk Hinrich played the past season and a half with the Hawks. Ironically, Korver has the locker once occupied by Hinrich.
- Chris Vivlamore
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High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm
^Correction/edition: “I agreed [in an earlier post that] Lou gets to the FT line at a better rate than Jamal but since Jamal shoots [a]* higher % from the FT line (than Lou)….”
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:43 pm
“Zaza’s per minute rebounding stats indicate he should play more, given how poorly the Hawks rebound as a team.”
Hey Buddy, are you an anal minded GM or a fantasy sports stat geek? Because those are the only people who pay attention to per minute stats, you know.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm
Zaza has played very well defensively this half.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
7:44 pm
Korver hits a 3 on his old team.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
High-sider
Wouldn’t Per Minute stats be more indicative of a reserve players value. For example if a GM was looking to pickup Ivan. His per game stats wouldn’t show much but his per minute shows a very productive role player.
Johnny
December 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
Big lineup working well so far.
Where is John Jenkins?
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
Korver’s denial on Butler broke up CHI’s play.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:48 pm
Al passes up a decent post up opportunity, and the possession ends in a terrible contested Lou 3.
DawgNole
December 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
LOL. Just please don’t whine that I’m insulting you or being condescending anymore. Ignorance is a lot more tolerable than hypocrisy.
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I’m just hoping he doesn’t post his course load again.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
Playing pretty good right now. Go Hawks
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Damn Lou!
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Louuuuuu!!
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
These are the Hawks I know!
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Haha everybody going at Kirk.
Bird
December 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Lou should’ve been starting a long time ago!!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
“I’m just hoping he doesn’t post his course load again.”
LOL That was one of the funnier things I have seen here in a while. Why not take it a step further and require everyone to upload their college transcripts before being allowed to post.
DS
December 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm
Hawks are finally playing some basketball!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
Kirk got owned by Lou but I respect players who are willing to challenge shots without fear of being posterized, though. A lot better than getting out of the way and allowing an uncontested layup just to avoid getting on the wrong side of a Sportscenter highlight.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm
That’s the Kirk we all remember
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:55 pm
Nice patience by Teague with the shot clock running down to identify Al on the switch and get him the ball.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
7:57 pm
Now that’s fun basketball.
drmaryb.(""_*).
December 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
Stomp The Yard!
KNUCKLEHEAD!
lol! re: “Ignorance is a lot more tolerable than hypocrisy … and, speaking of submitting college transcripts before posting?” -Najeh_
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This is just too much good stuff! And, my beloved Hawks are B A C KKKKKKKK!!! Let’s Go!
Blast
December 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
Where have these Hawks been? Welcome back!! Just finish up the game right!
J.J.M.
December 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
do we get to see tip?
DawgNole
December 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
Man, Falcons could take some lessons from this 2Q by the Hawks. Here’s hoping for an ATL sweep tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
First time in the last five games that they have shared the ball and had a plan on offense. Zaza came in and stabilized the D, and after he exited, the starting unit sped up the tempo to get the offense going.
And best of all, they managed to do all that and only turn it over once in the 2nd quarter.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
Lou should start for us. Really gives us an offensive threat and high energy. Either Korver or ZaZa with Al and Josh on front line. Play the starters major minutes in big games and we can win them
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm
Well LD is doing his job keeping JT & Ivan on the bench, what a dumb azz.
DS
December 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
Wow that was some awesome all around basketball. Great d, each player doing what they do best not taking dumb shots everyone moving off the ball, this is really exciting bball. Why can’t they play like this more often??
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
To: Najeh Davenpoop
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Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
7:28 pm
“A metric that takes standard NBA statistics, and instead of breaking them down by production per game, breaks them down by production per minute. ”
Right. It takes standard NBA statistics and breaks them down per minute instead of per game. You know that by “standard NBA statistics” they mean TOTALS, right? Not per game stats?
Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.
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“Sporting Charts explains Per-Minute Statistics
The concept of per-minute statistics is a basic building block of statistical analysis in basketball. While looking at per-game averages gives us some information about the productivity of a player, per-minute averages tells us a great deal more about how well, or poorly, that player is actually performing.
Basketball statistician John Hollinger has said of per-minute statistics, “It’s a pretty simple concept, but one that has largely escaped most NBA front offices: the idea that what a player does on a per-minute basis is far more important than his per-game stats. The latter tend to be influenced more by playing time than by quality of play, yet remain the most common metric of player performance.”
Let’s say a player averages 12 minutes of playing time per game, and scores 8 points per game. He is scoring at a rate of 0.67 points per minute. One can then look at what his rate projects to for any given amount of playing time, such as 36 minutes per game. Using our example, this player scores 24 points per 36 minutes of playing time.”
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/per-minute-statistics.aspx
I’m not whining. You’re just a liar or probably need psychiatric help. What’s funny is that you said per-minute stats are not derived from (actual) per-game stats. Now, that’s funny (in Martin [Payne] Lawrence voice). LOL
Sautee
December 22nd, 2012
8:05 pm
“Well LD is doing his job keeping JT & Ivan on the bench, what a dumb azz.” – Rusty
Let’s see Rusty, we’re up SIXTEEN. Do you think whatever LD is doing is working?
Some folks complain about the farmers with their mouth full.
Admiral SnAckbar
December 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
carefull Hawks, it could be a TRAP!!!
DS
December 22nd, 2012
8:07 pm
High sider and Najeh how long have you guys been going back and forth with this stuff? You guys should exchange email addresses and continue that conversation out of this blog… No offense intended here but seriously dudes, it’s just a blog
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:07 pm
“I’m not whining. You’re just a liar or probably need psychiatric help. What’s funny is that you said per-minute stats are not derived from (actual) per-game stats. Now, that’s funny (in Martin [Payne] Lawrence voice). LOL”
Did you even read what you just quoted? Because it directly contradicts everything you have said this week.
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm
High-sider
Same # either way.
total points / total minutes or (total points / games played) / (total minutes / games played)
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
“High sider and Najeh how long have you guys been going back and forth with this stuff? You guys should exchange email addresses and continue that conversation out of this blog… No offense intended here but seriously dudes, it’s just a blog”
I try to respond to anyone who addresses something directly to me. Doesn’t mean I haven’t long since lost interest in the topic of discussion.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:13 pm
DawgNole,
Quit hatin’ and start congratulatin’. I remember a professor telling the class that the way to distinguish yourself from your (college) peers is to major in the most rigorous field (of study) and make the best grades possible in that field.
You see, DawgNole, I’m not white like you probably are. I am a black male. I can’t “get by” off [of] my skin color (in the labor market or anywhere else in society). That’s for you, sucka.
Are you mad that you don’t have (any) mathematical aptitude, busta, and (that) I do?
“A hard ‘C’ beats an easy ‘A’ any day.”
drmaryb.(""_*).
December 22nd, 2012
8:15 pm
Dual Core Technology!
Looks like The Closer also, has Starter’s capabilities.
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm
Sautée I was behind,watching game on DVR ,big deal they are winning now,stupid coaching will usually not give good results.
Admiral SnAckbar
December 22nd, 2012
8:20 pm
Hawks running on all cylinders.
yea!
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 22nd, 2012
8:21 pm
When Al hits his jumpers we win. When he doesn’t we lose.
DS
December 22nd, 2012
8:22 pm
Hopefully that mid range jumper is back for good
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:25 pm
Najeh Davenpoop said: “Right. It takes standard NBA statistics and breaks them down per minute instead of per game. You know that by “standard NBA statistics” they mean TOTALS, right? Not per game stats?
*Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.”
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The link/articled, http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/per-minute-statistics.aspx ,: says/said:
Sporting Charts explains Per-Minute Statistics
The concept of per-minute statistics is a basic building block of statistical analysis in basketball. While looking at per-game averages gives us some information about the productivity of a player, per-minute averages tells us a great deal more about how well, or poorly, that player is actually performing.
Basketball statistician John Hollinger has said of per-minute statistics, “It’s a pretty simple concept, but one that has largely escaped most NBA front offices: the idea that what a player does on a per-minute basis is far more important than his per-game stats. The latter tend to be influenced more by playing time than by quality of play, yet remain the most common metric of player performance.”
Let’s say a player averages 12 minutes of playing time per game, and scores 8 points per game. He is scoring at a rate of 0.67 points per minute. One can then look at what his rate projects to for any given amount of playing time, such as 36 minutes per game. Using our example, this player scores 24 points per 36 minutes of playing time.
HawkFan
December 22nd, 2012
8:28 pm
Hawks have something cooking last 2 years on back to backs. It grieves me to say it but LD gets credit here
Johnny
December 22nd, 2012
8:29 pm
Great D from Kyle on Deng. Really impressive.
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
Najeh said: “Per game and per minute have nothing to do with each other. If you give me total minutes played and total of any other stat, I can give you per minute stats without knowing anything about games played.”
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The article says/said: “Let’s say a player averages 12 minutes of playing time per game, and scores 8 points per game. He is scoring at a rate of 0.67 points per minute. One can then look at what his rate projects to for any given amount of playing time, such as 36 minutes per game. Using our example, this player scores 24 points per 36 minutes of playing time.”
Per-minute stats are derived from (actual) per-game stats.
Michael
December 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm
Please put Jenkins in
drmaryb.(""_*).
December 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm
Low Sider!
Knock it off with those novels man. It’s GAME NIGHT fool! [lol]
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm
I didn’t see this blowout comin’.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm
Very encouraging to see the Hawks step on the Bulls’ throat in the 3rd quarter and not let them back in the game.
Hawks 34 rebounds (11 offensive); Bulls 23 rebounds (5 offensive).