Atlanta Hawks: Sixers 99, Hawks 80 (updated)
Vivlamore reporting.
PHILADELPHIA — The Hawks are limping toward Christmas. And it’s a pronounced limp.
The Hawks lost for the third time in four games by dropping a 99-80 decision to the 76ers at the Wells Fargo Center Friday. In all three losses the Hawks have trailed by at least 17 points. The lone win in the stretch was an overtime victory over the three-win Wizards.
This loss has coach Larry Drew considering a change to his starting lineup.
“I’m very concerned,” Drew said. “I’m so concerned that I’ve got to think about the lineup now. That’s three out of four (losses) but I’m more concerned about our energy. That is what concerns me the most. I can take losing but if we don’t bring the energy, if we don’t bring the juice, that’s when I really have to look at things and I’m certainly going to do that. I may have to take a look at our lineup.”
It doesn’t get easier for the Hawks before some off time. The Hawks complete a stretch of four games in five days by hosting the Central Division leading Bulls Saturday. The Hawks then won’t play again until the day after Christmas. They’ll need to make good use of the downtime.
“I really didn’t see this type of performance coming,” Drew said. “I really thought our guys would play with a lot more energy and a more sense of urgency.”
The Hawks (15-9) have now lost six straight games to the Sixers, including all three meetings last season. Through 24 games this season, the Hawks are one loss worse than last season’s 16-8 mark at this point. The Hawks entered the game with the best road record in the Eastern Conference.
Josh Smith had 17 points, 13 coming in the first quarter, for the Hawks. Lou Williams, who played his first six seasons with the Sixers, scored 13 points. Al Horford finished with seven points on 2-of-10 shooting.
“I don’t know if it’s necessarily energy,” Horford said of the recent issues. “I think we need to stay true to what has been working for us and it’s moving the ball of offense, sharing the ball offensively and playing good team defense. I think that it was very obvious that we didn’t do that as we have in the past. We have to get back on track.”
Evan Turner led the Sixers with a game-high 21 points. Thaddeus Young finished with 18 points and 11 rebounds.
The Sixers (13-14), who snapped a five-game losing streak, opened up a 22-point late lead in the fourth quarter. A Mike Scott basket with 5:58 remaining was only the second field goal for the Hawks up until that point of the final period.
With the substantial lead, and sitting at 99 points, the Sixers dribbled out the final 23 seconds of the game much to the dismay of the crowd. The home fans booed for one more basket as they were entitled to a free Big Mac from McDonalds when the Sixers hit the century mark. That was the only disappointing thing about the night for the 18,061 in attendance.
The Hawks trailed by as many as 15 points in the third quarter as the Sixers took a 69-54 lead. Williams scored 10 straight points for the Hawks to close the quarter and they trailed by eight going into the final 12 minutes. However, the Sixers went on a 16-5 run to start the final quarter and it was time for the Hawks’ reserves to finish out the game.
“The second half we just didn’t have the energy,” Drew said. “We just did not bring it. For whatever reason and I’ve got to find out because we are not a very good team if we do not play with energy.”
The Sixers led by as many as nine points in both the first and second quarters. They took at 51-45 lead into halftime.
The Hawks used an 11-0 run to erase the near double-digit deficit in the second quarter. Zaza Pachulia and Ivan Johnson scored every point. Pachulia scored the first seven points. The Sixers used an 8-0 run near the end of the second to get a cushion, softened only when Pachulia hit a jumper at the buzzer.
“One of the things is we are trying to do a lot of isolations and things like that,” Horford said. “When we are most effective is when we are continually moving the ball, we are cutting to the basket and we are attacking. That’s when we are at our best. On defense, we just have to do a better job period.”
For the second straight game, Drew was denied his 100th career victory.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:13 pm
I’m sorry but Horford quit on us tonight.
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:14 pm
1st?
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:14 pm
2nd?
Just Joe
December 21st, 2012
9:14 pm
Only saw last 5 minutes. I want to see more John Jenkins.
Rusty
December 21st, 2012
9:14 pm
The hawks play like a bunch of chickens running around with no heads.We need a real coach.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:15 pm
John Jenkins and Mike Scott need to play more.
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:16 pm
So, the 76ers “86ed” (the) Hawks, 99 – 80 tonight.
DawgNole
December 21st, 2012
9:16 pm
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:08 pm
FYI, I have a Finance and Banking degree from a (supposedly) top-tier state university. In pursuing my bachelor’s degree, I have taken pre-Calculus, Finite Mathematics, Calculus I & II, Statistical Analysis I & II, various finance courses that involve/require a heavy concentration of higher mathematics (e.g., Management of Financial Institutions, International Finance, Investments in Finance, Corporate Finance, Accounting Financial Statements Analysis, etc.), Intermediate Micro- and Macro-economics, and various accounting courses.
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What’s all that got to do with ATL Hawks basketball?
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:16 pm
This was a turrible loss. 4 in a row against the Sixers?
Al has appeared to hit a wall? Injury related? Not 100?Hmmmmm
Rusty
December 21st, 2012
9:17 pm
The chickens are running the yard because they know the coach is stupid & weak.
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:17 pm
Slimjr,
What’s up with your Knicks tonight at MSG vs. the Bulls?
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:18 pm
Korver and Stevenson’s jumpers are broke right now. Put in Jenkins and Scott to replace them.
Rusty
December 21st, 2012
9:18 pm
No players have really improved under LD.
BIG DOG
December 21st, 2012
9:19 pm
If only Jenkins could play pg, JUST DAM
To small for Shooting Guard.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Wabe
December 21st, 2012
9:19 pm
john jenkins needs minutes…
f it man, just put him in the starting rotation and have lou/devin come off the bench.
Brent
December 21st, 2012
9:19 pm
A combination of bad offense and LD’s rotations was always going to be their downfall this season.
No need to panic, you should have seen this coming.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:19 pm
Yea H-s, its turrible night for the Knicks..Hurry back Amare!
WHo do the Hawks play next? Oh boy!
BIG DOG
December 21st, 2012
9:20 pm
Can Jenkins play PG ?
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Brent
December 21st, 2012
9:21 pm
The good news is, a collapse makes it easier to justify firing Drew. The Hawks have won with talent while he is just riding coattails.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:21 pm
Jenkins – 8 points in 3 minutes
Horford – 7 points in 34 minutes
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:22 pm
Man both my teams got their azzess handed to them
Knicks down 20
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:23 pm
Starting Lineup
Teague
Jenkins
Korver
Jsmoove
Horford
Najeh Davenpoop
December 21st, 2012
9:24 pm
FTPB
“To heck with you and your condescending attitude. Your name-calling as well as your attempt to belittle/disparage me doesn’t make you right or correct. If you do not or refuse to understand words/terms such as “extrapolate” and “project,” then that’s your problem – not mine.”
I am the one condescending and calling names? Allow me to refresh your memory.
High-sider
December 19th, 2012
1:51 am
Najeh Davenpoop,
Give it up, dude; you’re wrong. “Per 36 Minutes” stats are based on “ACTUAL” stats. What ANAL-MINDED MORON [GM] evaluates players on a “per minute” basis? Don’t you realize (that) when you calculate a player’s “per minute” stats, those “per minute” stats are derived (or a derivation) from that particular player’s “actual” stats? Don’t tell me you calculate a player’s “per minute” stats using (based on) “arbitrary” stats (sarcasm).
Question No. 1: What are Jamal Crawford’s and Lou Williams’ “actual” [career] FTA/game stats? Think about it.
Question No. 2: What are Jamal Crawford’s and Lou Williams’ “actual” [career] scoring averages?
Game, set [and] match.
That is the dictionary definition of condescension and name-calling, and it came in response to absolutely no condescension or name calling from me.
I don’t give two watery cholera sh-ts about your supposed credentials, dude. Anyone can lie on an anonymous Internet blog. Grandad has supposedly coached basketball for longer than I have lived and I disagree with 78.2% of what he says. The bottom line is your posts have demonstrated that you clearly have zero understanding about what I am talking about or what per minute stats say or mean. Maybe you were too busy Youtubing Jamal Crawford highlights when you were supposedly sitting in those classes.
Tell me why per-minute stats are “theoretical” and per-game stats are “real”. You still haven’t explained any justification for that arbitrary distinction. Or, keep whining that I am being condescending. I don’t give a sh-t.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:24 pm
Jenkins needs to get 20 mins a night at least..He is the best shooter on this squad! A machine
Wabe
December 21st, 2012
9:24 pm
play jenkins man.
dude looks nice.
he could be a real player.
Brent
December 21st, 2012
9:25 pm
Seriously, though… Instead of actually sticking with Teague and grooming him, Drew has basically said F IT and inserting Lou to run point guard, even though Lou has no interest in actually being a facilitator. So the offense sucks.
Drew complains about rebounds, yet relies on his short frontcourt and keeps Zaza and Ivan on the bench for long stretches. How did this clown get a job? Oh that’s right… he stabbed Woodson in the back.
W.R. Terrell
December 21st, 2012
9:26 pm
Is reality setting in yet? Did the SUPERSTAR the “Smoove” singlehandedly handle Philly? LD is a joke and folks need to stop giving Josh undeserved credit, he believes that crock. Chicago comes to town tomorrow and a slaughter could possibly be brewing. Can the HAWKS win, yes they can but only if the “Smoove”, rebounds, forget about outside shots, plays defense and stop trying to be a point guard then the rest of the team may get into synch. The truth is that the “Smoove” and LD need to go because their love for each other is detrimental to the team.
Wabe
December 21st, 2012
9:27 pm
why are yall turning this crawford vs lou debate into like a 4 day thing? i remember bringing that up like a couple days back and yall still at it.
jamal’s better than lou. there’s really no need to pull stats or anything.
we saw jamal play for 2 years, and he was a lot better than lou – like a lot.
lou’s wayyyy too streaky.
jamal got better handles, finishes better, has a better jumper.
say whatever you want about getting to the line a couple more times a game [if that's even true], jamal does everything else better.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:28 pm
Excellent points you brought up Brent..
If Jenkins was 6-7 or 6-8 he would have gone much higher in the draft.. Probably 10-15..
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:29 pm
DawgNole,
I was responding to Najeh. Don’t act as if I’m the only one [blogger] who has engaged in a debate on this blog. The debate is/was [in fact] sports-related and the debate (also) involves/involved a current Hawks player (Lou Williams) and a former Hawks player (Jamal Crawford). Do Hawks players have anything to do with “ATL Hawks basketball”? (That was a rhetorical question.)
Quit trippin’.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 21st, 2012
9:30 pm
A couple of garbage time buckets aren’t enough for me to say Jenkins should be starting, but I don’t think he’s any worse or different from Morrow at this point. If the Hawks’ focus was on improving the current team as much as possible, trading Morrow for a SF who can defend and/or rebound would be a good idea. But this is still a transition year, and Morrow’s greatest asset to this team is that he is friends with Dwight Howard. So if the Hawks have to keep him around to make the ATL a more attractive destination for Dwight, they should keep him.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:32 pm
That Iso Smoove crap needs to be flushed down the toilet with a triple order of hashbrowns all the way from Waffle House.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:32 pm
Whats amazing to me is how Skilled the Sixers Bigs look compared to the Hawks Bigs..
It is no accident that the Hawks can not beat this team..Cause the Hawks Bigs are dismantled head to head…It seems like every time they match up…
W.R. Terrell
December 21st, 2012
9:33 pm
I don’t know if Al quit on the HAWKS tonight, I think some of the players said F*** it tho. I do agree that losing could be the best thing for the HAWKS. LD will be fired, Jenkins and Scott will get playing time and mebbee, just mebbee some team will want the “Smoove” and give up a 1st round pick but that’s a biggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg mebbee.
MattP
December 21st, 2012
9:34 pm
Hawks are about to be 4th place in east… lol
Najeh Davenpoop
December 21st, 2012
9:35 pm
“why are yall turning this crawford vs lou debate into like a 4 day thing? i remember bringing that up like a couple days back and yall still at it.”
There isn’t a whole lot of difference between Jamal and Lou in my opinion (not enough to make it a real debate anyway). As far as I’m concerned it stopped being a Jamal vs. Lou debate about 3 and a half days ago. Ever since then I have tried to explain what per-minute stats mean to High-sider and he has responded by alternating between insulting me and responding to things I didn’t say.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:35 pm
Najeh only Morrow and Jenkins need to be playing SG. That Korver and Devin Harris at the 2 experiment has failed.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:35 pm
Allstar Al with 7 points?
What gives man?
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:36 pm
Allstar Al= Invisible man
Melvin
December 21st, 2012
9:40 pm
Devin Harris for Corey Maggette
DawgNole
December 21st, 2012
9:40 pm
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:29 pm
DawgNole,
I was responding to Najeh. Don’t act as if I’m the only one [blogger] who has engaged in a debate on this blog. The debate is/was [in fact] sports-related and the debate (also) involves/involved a current Hawks player (Lou Williams) and a former Hawks player (Jamal Crawford). Do Hawks players have anything to do with “ATL Hawks basketball”? (That was a rhetorical question.)
Quit trippin’.
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I’m not “acting” like anything. I didn’t even join the blog until late in the 3Q. And all that gibberish you just wrote still doesn’t answer my question: What does your course load have to do with ATL basketball?
Quit blabberin’.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:40 pm
Al did not quit. He was being guarded by Mobile Bigs outside so he reverted to becoming Chief Passer..
Did he lead the team in assist for the 3rd consecutive night? Just askin?
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:42 pm
“…And the reason I haven’t gotten one clear explanation from you on that is because you don’t understand basic math. Until you do, I can’t help you.” – Najeh Davenpoop @8:46pm, 12/21/2012
You said that I don’t understand basic math but you’re not being condescending?
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:48 pm
DawgNole, read my post @9:42pm, 12/21/2012. Now, quit trippin’ and quit hatin’.
Slimjr, thanks for the compliment but I’m not trying to boast. I just want Najeh to recognize.
Najeh,
I am not making anything up; recognize.
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:48 pm
Woody just got ejected.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:49 pm
Woody and Melo got tossed tonight! Oh boy!
Noah and Chandler got tossed! Wow!
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:49 pm
Is there going to be a “melee” at Bulls-Knicks game?
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:50 pm
Knick fans are letting Noah have it!
BIG DOG
December 21st, 2012
9:50 pm
9 for 25 in 3 point shooting, JUST DAM
Live by 3 you die by 3.
JUMPSHOTS THE HOLE GAME.
If you have Horford and Josh PLAYING your front court and shooting jumpshots all night along with everybody jacking up 3, guest what you go from being rich to poor man house in a heart beat.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Duluth Joe
December 21st, 2012
9:55 pm
I must say there is a lot of drama in NY-Chicago game. I wonder if any chance Noah may get suspended for tomorrow night
kwooden1
December 21st, 2012
9:56 pm
The HAWKS are finally playing like I thought they would when I saw this roster at the being of the season. Al and Josh aren’t polished enough in the post to consistently score. They don’t have enough 6′5″ to 6′7″ defenders to guard all the SG and SF that good teams have. I think Al will play better, he usually does against Noah, Chicago is going to be another tough game. We’re a team that is too dependent on making 3’s and other teams shooting poorly.
GO HAWKS!!
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:57 pm
THis is the problem: Philly has a front line that is bigger, stronger, and faster that the Hawks.. They are able to guard Josh and Al out on the perimeter. Since Josh and Al have extremely weak post games they are easily neutralized…
As usual, the Hawks rely on superior guard play to carry the squad. If their shots are not falling its
GAME, SET, AND MATCH! DING DING DING!
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
9:59 pm
The Knicks have cut the lead to 8 with 2:06 left! Hmmm
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:00 pm
delete that and add than^^^^^^
2 FOR JOHN DREW
December 21st, 2012
10:01 pm
The only good thing for me tonight ….. was seeing Mike Scott and John Jenkins. LD doesn’t seem to (for lack of a better word)… nourish his young ballplayers. I watch Doc Rivers …. he may not play his players much either ….But he has their attention …. they seem to want to play for him …. when they get the chance. Our young players look like they’re one turnover from being on punishment … Just Saying.
sjohnson1092@yahoo.com
December 21st, 2012
10:01 pm
wait a second….they beat the grizzlies, the clippers and okc…..what’s wrong ?
Anybody explain the difference?
Too bad the world didn’t end before the game………
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
10:02 pm
@Najeh Davenpoop
“Tell me why per-minute stats are “theoretical” and per-game stats are “real”. You still haven’t explained any justification for that arbitrary distinction. Or, keep whining that I am being condescending.” – Najeh Davenpoop @9:24pm, 12/21/2012
I said per-minute stats are actual/real because they are based on or are derived from a player’s actual/real per-game stats. Per-36 minutes stats are theoretical/projected/extrapolated stats when a player’s average minutes played per game stats are (significantly) less than 36.0+(mpg). Per-36 Minutes stats are real/actual when a player’s (actual) average minutes played per game stats are equal to or greater than 36.0+(mpg). Ta-da[h]!!!
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
10:05 pm
Peace out.
Man in Black
December 21st, 2012
10:07 pm
PLAY THE BIG LINEUP YOU MORON!!!!!!
Horford is already worn out from playing guys 30 pounds heavier and 2 inches taller every night – with Zaza at center Horford & Smith – they will control the pain and the boards from the opening tip – this small ball SUCKS!
DawgNole
December 21st, 2012
10:09 pm
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
9:48 pm
DawgNole, read my post @9:42pm, 12/21/2012. Now, quit trippin’ and quit hatin’.
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No trippin’ and hatin’ at this end. Just wondering what your bragging about your course load has to do with the ATL Hawks. And if you want to “respond” to Najeh, you might want to address his 9:24 pm post instead of justifying your course load to me.
Now quit whinin’.
DawgNole
December 21st, 2012
10:11 pm
High-sider
December 21st, 2012
10:05 pm
Peace out.
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Bout time.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2012
10:14 pm
1) I’ve never “seen” Najeh so pizzed before. Dude’s usually cool as a phuck.
2) This was always about a transition season. Ferry meant to have this team look the way it looks. Gathered enough shooters to guarantee some scoring at least. Made the roster so that the team could play a lot more up-tempo. Keep a few butts in the seats while he plots what to do next. That, and allow him to evaluate the players…who fits which roles and who doesn’t….who makes a good trade chip, etc.
3) Lackluster performance tonight….
4) We struggle against teams that have talented swingmen. I think most of us saw that coming, of course. “Swingman” not to be confused with “wing players.” We have “wing players”, practically no real starting swingmen, at least not starter quality…Korver is the closest thing…
5) Smoove’s scoring seems to be holding fairly steady….Horford’s is dipping.
6) I can’t decide if Teague is more consistent than I think or less consistent than he should be.
Oh and one more….
7) That darn Kirk Hinrich started for the Bulls and shot 6-8 from the field, 4-5 from the FT line, and put up 16 points, 9 boards, and 8 assists on the Knicks….in a win, no less. Heh…
jlewis
December 21st, 2012
10:17 pm
Come on now, lets be realistic, the record was mainly against scrubs. Decent teams will kill the Hawks, all you do is dont double Josh or Al and stay with the shooters, makes them ineffective. Oh, Lou can get his own shot, but everyone in the league should know he only shoots the ball well going to his left.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2012
10:17 pm
Is High Sider drivin’ a low rider? Tune in tomorrow….
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:20 pm
Deng goes for 29 and 13? WTFreak?
Simba
December 21st, 2012
10:22 pm
Who the hell still uses per-game stats over per-minute stats?
Rusty
December 21st, 2012
10:23 pm
1-Jamal Crawford is a much better player than Lou, even tho both are poor defensive players. Neither one should ever play PG,everyone knows that except for the big dummy Larry Drew.
2 JJ2 should be playing ,what the hell does Stevenson,Harris or Morrow do for us,but LD will not develope him but will screw him up like he does every other rookie.
3 does LD really have any offensive system ,all i see isis every one taking stupid long jumpers,no passes for easy buckets,no real offense,all the big men standing 15 feet from the basket.
4 He will never let JT really develope,he forever pulls him out of the lineup even when he is playing well.lets Josh take over the offense,let’s Josh & Al stand on the outside leaving no one to rebound.i believe he pressuring JT to look for the other guys,I really don’t want you scoring. I would respect JT & Ivan more if they would punch his face in.
5 I believe(don’t really know) that the players have no respect for his ability to coach & know they can get away with anything if he likes them.he is losing control of the team.
6 he says we didnt bring the juice or the emery,what crap.
7 he has no control f Josh what so ever,Josh is like Joe Johnson ,over inflLated ego.i thought that Josh was a good team player in the past but I think he is loosing sense of what he is & LD will not put him in his place.
8 Ferry has to know that LD is over his head & this team will never thrive under his leadership. Anyone can see this team looks lost. I don’t care what our record is but I see other teams being much better coached.
BIG DOG
December 21st, 2012
10:23 pm
Isiah said defense travel, I HOPE LD IS WATCHING THIS.
LD small ball lineup is about to run out of luck very soon.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:24 pm
Chicago vs the Hawks?
Another Front line that’s very Mobile, can contest the perimeter shot and recover in the paint…
Oh the Humanity!
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:26 pm
Sund should have resigned JC1…
I’ll take him over Lou every day and twice on Sunday..
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:30 pm
Knicks cut the lead to 4 as the clock ran out! oh well
keith
December 21st, 2012
10:32 pm
Horford to Toronto for Petrus and Barganani……………………….I believe Toronto would make that deal.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:36 pm
Horford is going to get beat up by Noah!
Better start ZaZa on him
Bobby
December 21st, 2012
10:38 pm
Slimjr = keith
Simba
December 21st, 2012
10:41 pm
Just an observation: Jamal Crawford wouldn’t help us. We’d use him the same, incorrect way we use Lou; have him running a bunch of isos with the 2nd team that causes the whole offense to become completely stagnant.
In my opinion, if you have Lou out there, you either have to have the full offense with him (Josh, Al, Kyle) or you have to have another point (either Jeff or Devin) in the backcourt, as those two are going to be able to get the 2nd unit guys better involved. You can’t just have Lou out there playing point and having him jack up “YOLO!” jumpers.
Positive Thinker
December 21st, 2012
10:41 pm
Someone please stop Lou Williams from shooting at will…..passing to the open man would work so much better if only Lou would look to pass once in awhile! . Lou is no point guard ….its just shoot shoot shoot….it just isnt’ working. It seems like he’s afraid of someone else scoring more than he does!
Whatever happened to that unselfish play that worked?
Simba
December 21st, 2012
10:42 pm
Horford to Toronto for Petrus and Barganani……………………….I believe Toronto would make that deal.
Are we tanking? WhyTF would we do that?
Slimjr
December 21st, 2012
10:45 pm
keith=Bobby=TS=Admiral= 1000 other handles…
Harpie
December 21st, 2012
10:46 pm
This team could be good if thaey had a COACH! Larry Drew truly sucks.
E43
December 21st, 2012
11:07 pm
Jenkins went late in the draft because he lacks defense. he is 6ft 4. Monta Ellis is 6 ft 3 and can be a knucklehead at times. Jenkins will get his chance sooner rather than later. No way Ferry hands his job to someone else in the off season.
Section 303
December 21st, 2012
11:15 pm
Saw tonight’s game coming a mile away. This one was had loss written all over it.
Hawks will probably lose tomorrow, too. They are just not playing well. Their poor shooting is killing them. They missed a lot of open and makable shots tonight. Left too many points on the floor.
Let’s get tomorrow night’s loss out of the way and get this stretch of 4 games in 5 nights over with. How many more of these stretches are left?
vava74
December 21st, 2012
11:32 pm
As I said, the wheels on LD’s little go-kart are coming off once the opposition and the concentration of games cranked up.
The big line up was mostly working with Josh checking and posting the opposing SFs and… LD starts to go small ball more frequently??
Yep, that’s LD for you. Just lose another 5 in a row please and get us a real coach.
MattP
December 21st, 2012
11:35 pm
haha, things start to look bad so he decides to do a lineup change. I wonder if he will ever decide to change the offense or still with one starting unit and not change it every other game.
Sameba
December 21st, 2012
11:39 pm
LD does not have an ability to learn and analize? is he really goofy??
Then better for the Hawks future. As vava74 wrote, let him lose few other games and he is gone. And please let his assistant coach go with him as well…
Marcus
December 22nd, 2012
12:12 am
I was at this game w/ my son, surrounded by the Philly faithful. Disappointment abounded. Josh came to play in the 1Q, but everyone else seemed like their minds/game were back in ATL: Teague seemed skittish/hesitant/unsure, Al and his jumper were off all night, Stevenson seemed distracted. Korver was just overmatched.
Even when we made runs to get it close, it seemed like we were one or two lapses away from losing momentum (which we did).
We better get it together or perhaps this is the real ceiling for our team (as currently constituted). We didn’t have any other option to kick-start us once Josh went to the bench and the rest of the starters were noticeably off-kilter.
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
12:15 am
LD will bring out the bad in the hawks. Time for a change.
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
12:18 am
Didn’t we all know he was a lousy coach last year,he gave the celts a gift in the playoffs.
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
12:28 am
Slim,
Bulls have Knicks number. 6-1 last 7 games against them. And Sixers have our number. No iggy, no Lou Williams, no Jody Meeks (last year’s team), and they still beat us up.
Hawks -8 in rebounding, and 9-25 from 3. There is your game right there. When 3’s are not falling, I don’t think we have a plan B.
big Ray,
Somebody needs to remind Teague that this is a contract year. He needs to be more consistent. And Al sounds like he knows exactly what’s wrong, but if he would play better, maybe the outcome would be different.
JaeEvolution
December 22nd, 2012
12:31 am
Thoughts on Cousins? Does him being a headcase on the losing Kings outweigh his sheer talent and ability?
I say this because apparently he was benched, actually not even benched was told to stay in the Kings locker room for the entire second half. The Kings also tried to pry Teague away from us a few years ago, would anyone deal for Cousins or are the red-flags too apparent.
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
12:33 am
And what is LD talking about, changing the lineup. Hasn’t he used multiple different lineups this year? Therefore, he is already changing lineups (especially when he tries to match up with the opponents).
I wonder If there are other HC who say they will wait and see LD’s lineup before deciding on theirs?
And let’s remember in LD’s first year when he threatened for weeks to change the lineup. And when he finally did, his big change was to bring Marvin off the bench. Very innovative that LD is…SMH
bbfan
December 22nd, 2012
1:02 am
I’m just curious, who does the “experts on this blog” want to coach the hawks? The last two or three years that Woodson was here, it was the same thing…..fire Woody. I guess the Knicks are winning on pure talent alone.
I predicted early on the hawks would win around 30 games…..oops I might be off. And finally, if this is the transition year, what will they be transitioning to? The last transition led the hawks to years and years of not even making the playoff and you only need about .500 record to qualify.
Rod from College Park
December 22nd, 2012
1:05 am
“1) I’ve never “seen” Najeh so pizzed before. Dude’s usually cool as a phuck.”
Maybe he’s mad because he knows he is wrong. He’s usually on point.
Rod from College Park
December 22nd, 2012
1:07 am
Since Horford has had 3 subpar games in a row, is his basketball IQ still very high?
Rod from College Park
December 22nd, 2012
1:13 am
Hawks beat the good teams in the West because they shot the ball well, and those teams really did not scout the Hawks well. The good teams in the East, (CHI, BOS, NY, NJ) have seen us enough to know how to defend Josh and Horford. The Scouting report has been updated on the Hawks. Man up on Josh and Horford, and don’t leave the shooters. Let’s see if Leisure Suit Larry can adjust.
Sameba
December 22nd, 2012
2:01 am
Well, if Horford’s jumper is broken plus he cannot hit FT’s then his value drastically decreases…
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
2:10 am
SlimJr Thibs vs LD? Oh the Humanity!!!!
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
2:23 am
“Saw tonight’s game coming a mile away. This one was had loss written all over it. Hawks will probably lose tomorrow, too.”
HAHA section… Kirk Hinrich’s no. 1 fan checking in here. Will the overrated Hinrich work the Hawks tonight like he did the Knicks last night??
“would anyone deal for Cousins or are the red-flags too apparent.”
Jae, Sacramento would ask the world for Cousins because he is damn near the only asset they have. And the Hawks are the LAST organization on planet earth that would take a chance like that.
“who does the “experts on this blog” want to coach the hawks?”
Dwane Casey. In an alternate universe, Doc Rivers.
kontract
December 22nd, 2012
2:36 am
Buddy: Look in the mirror.
Sameba
December 22nd, 2012
2:44 am
Bulls do not have strong & athletic guards. Therefore, if, and only if, we start with a big lineup, we got a very god chance to win. With a smaller lineup, their SF Deng will simply destroy us…
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 22nd, 2012
3:13 am
Sameba
December 22nd, 2012
2:01 am
Well, if Horford’s jumper is broken plus he cannot hit FT’s then his value drastically decreases…
Decreases down to zero
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
December 22nd, 2012
3:27 am
“I really didn’t see this type of performance coming,” Drew said. “I really thought our guys would play with a lot more energy and a more sense of urgency.”
*****
How many times has he said this in the last 24 months???????
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
December 22nd, 2012
3:34 am
FIRE LD
SSDS
NO ENERGY. NO URGENCY. SOFT TEAM
REHIRE WEISS
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
3:54 am
Najeh Davenpoop,
“I don’t give two watery cholera sh-ts about your supposed credentials, dude.” – Najeh Davenpoop @9:24pm, 12/21/2012
That’s an ironic (and interesting) comment coming from a blogger who goes by the name/handle “Najeh Daven-poop.”
DoUI (Dept. of Unintended Irony), where ya at on this one [sic]?
vava74
December 22nd, 2012
5:08 am
O’brien Says:
December 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 am
“And what is LD talking about, changing the lineup. Hasn’t he used multiple different lineups this year? Therefore, he is already changing lineups (especially when he tries to match up with the opponents).”
lol! That’s LD! The used car salesman! Always something to say, always something meaningless…
vava74
December 22nd, 2012
5:11 am
Rod from College Park
December 22nd, 2012
1:13 am
“Hawks beat the good teams in the West because they shot the ball well, and those teams really did not scout the Hawks well. The good teams in the East, (CHI, BOS, NY, NJ) have seen us enough to know how to defend Josh and Horford. The Scouting report has been updated on the Hawks. Man up on Josh and Horford, and don’t leave the shooters. Let’s see if Leisure Suit Larry can adjust.”
Ding!
I said precisely this some 8 or 9 games ago in the middle of our winning streak.
Johnny
December 22nd, 2012
5:11 am
Al horford has to cut strong to the basket instead of bringing the ball up like a pg. In a fast break. During the win streak that worked so well and he scored a lot of points.
Today against the Bulls. I am curious who will guard luol Deng. This guy is really big and can score the basketball. I guess LD will go with the big lineup with Josh guarding Deng.
doc
December 22nd, 2012
6:08 am
No rest for the weary:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/sports/basketball/knicks-fall-behind-early-and-cant-catch-bulls.html?nl=todaysheadlines&adxnnl=1&emc=edit_th_20121222&adxnnlx=1356174022-+WRV1lR327rIQMW7BEv26A
Here come da bulls.
doc
December 22nd, 2012
6:28 am
Banking and finance?
Statistics in banking?
Arbitrage and derivatives?
How to sell your soul and mother too?
Banking and finance, funny statistics and funny money may have ruined our economy and our children’s future. Cred just went downhill to talk anything about predictability, even in basketball.
Say it aint so high sider. Really lousy credentials in these desperate times.
LouWill83
December 22nd, 2012
6:53 am
Al Horford or David West?? and Why
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
6:59 am
Horford: age & ability to give you minutes at center
Admiral SnAckbar
December 22nd, 2012
7:41 am
starts in the middle for the Hawks.
gotta get Z is minutes.
minutes=nimbers for Zaza.
then fit the rest in accordingly.
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
8:00 am
Can’t comment a whole lot on last night because I only watched the last 5 minutes. (Box score question though). Teague only attempted one 2-pt shot in 22 minutes of play??? That’s it? Took three 3-pointers and never went to the line.
One other observation. Teague’s fouls are up. 5 against Washington. 4 against OKC. 4 last night. Hopefully this means he’s putting more effort in on defense and not just being sloppy.
It all starts and ends with the PG in my book. Also, 7 total rebounds in Teague’s last 5 games. When LD starts talking about lineup changes, Teague is the guy that has to watch out.
atlanta sprit group will move to seattle soon
December 22nd, 2012
8:06 am
Hey No worrys we goin move to seattle when new arena is done cause we be askin for a new Phillps arena 2 Now..after all we killed ever a chance get a NHL are Minor league in the place….Man if we own Gwinnett gladitors we have them moved to another city too….But we can’t screw you fans with High prices and lame NBA folks….enjoy 2013 Just keep payin and you get rob by us!
W.R. Terrell
December 22nd, 2012
8:37 am
Get ready for another dumb game. After the “Smoove”, screws the HAWKS to get his points with bad passing and dumb turnovers the Bulls will be on their way. Then again, Sameba figures Josh can do things singlehandedly, boy, no wonder the HAWKS are consistently believing nonsense
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
8:55 am
Just joe,
I think Teague is being sloppy on defense, and sometimes when he gets beat (not moving his feet well), he gets called for the reach in. But part if it is he aggressively goes for steals, and that costs him at times.
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
9:05 am
I think ferry should trade morrow for a SF, and LD should give Jenkins Morrow’s minutes (especially if this is a transition year). Will Jenkins have his ups and downs? Sure. But That way, Jenkins will be ready for an increased role next year. And next year, sign Dwight, resign Korver, and have him and Jenkins be the shooters.
Najeh,
If josh can’t convince dwight to come here, then having Morrow won’t make a difference (IMO).
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
9:20 am
OB…I think Ferry needs to trade Horford and Teague, and try to get some real value back.
POTF
December 22nd, 2012
9:24 am
To the HAWKS: Please go to Winnepeg too.
Chief
December 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
Atlanta has a basketball team?
rellis43
December 22nd, 2012
9:43 am
Did we not get away from the iso whoever???We have the #1 shooter from the SEC for the last 2 years andY did they draft him?? he’s not getting any minutes. Y?? Y did they draft himWhat’s he deal about not laying rokies. dumb, dumb, dumb.
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
On a positive note after the beat-down last night:
Allstar Al had 3 blocks…He took off the Knee pads after reading the blog..Looks like he’s trying not to play flat footed anymore to play quicker..
Al is going to have to start putting up 20 and 10 every night. With his new found mobility why not?
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
“OB…I think Ferry needs to trade Horford and Teague, and try to get some real value back.” -Just Joe
Danny allegedly already tried to ship these two out of here and was rejected..Maybe their value is not as lofty to most NBA GM’s as we would like?
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Another loss tonight would make it 4 of 5.
Lousy…
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
Just joe,
Teague is a restricted free agent this year, so I doubt the hawks would get a good deal for him, and with him being so young, im not ready to give up on him (unless a team overpays).
And now is not the time to trade horford. The time to trade him will be in the offseason, depending on what we can do in free agency and the trade market.
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Teague fouls are on the rise because he is going up against quality pt guards who are able to blow by him and get their shots anytime they want to. ..
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Slim,
Where did u read Ferry “allegedly” tried to trade Jeff? I remember reading Sacramento was open to trading for Teague, but Rick said no.
And where did u read ferry tried to trade horford? Are you talking about the trade for Dwight that the Magic turned down?
If u want to talk about somebody’s value being down, let’s talk about your boy A’mare
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
And I am going on record…I think hawks win tonight, because they will shoot a decent % from 3. Lets hope I’m right.
keith
December 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Passion for Basketball
The manner in which the New York vs Chicago Basketball game played out is indicative of how “CHAMPIONSHIP BASKETBALL” is played. Can you for even ONE moment imagining JOSH SMITH or AL HORFORD displaying the kind of passion you saw from MELO, NOAH, OR TYSON CHANDLER last night????? NO WAY!!! OUR GUYS GET PUNKED OUT!!!!
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
Word on the street, Teague and AllStar Al were offered as part of a trade offer to land D12 from Orlando this past off season..Of course Danny was asked that point blank and he denied it on the air at 790 the zone.
keith
December 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
MYOPIC MIDGET MONKEY MINDS
There are far too many Myopic, Monkey, Midget minds, on this Blog, who cannot see the forest for the trees. This group that believes that Al Horford can lead you to an NBA Championship, they are absolutely Absurd!!! Josh Smith is a more athletic “Bruce Bowen”, however, Josh THINKS he is a SUPERSTAR, and he’s not a SUPERSTAR. Both of these guys are pretty good complimentary pieces and nothing more than that!!! Bottom line is this, if we are going to improve this Basketball team, definitely one of them must go, maybe BOTH????
What say you???
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
I believe the Knicks were down 22 pts, with about 8 mins left on the clock and made a ferocious comeback to pull within 4 as time ran out…
Once A’mare returns fully healthy. They should be able to handle Chicago and turn the tide…
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
Guard play is not going to beat Chicago. Josh and Al are going to have too get it done
keith
December 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Who is a better basketball player, David West or Al Horford??? Joakim Noah or Al Horford???
Carl Landry or Al Horford??? Carlos Boozer or Al Horford??? Chris Bosh or Al Horford??? Kevin Garnett or Al Horford???Tyson Chandler or Al Horford??? Amare Stoudemeire or Al Horford???
Need i say more?????????????????
keith
December 22nd, 2012
10:49 am
IMO Zaza Pachulia earned a starting role last night, PERIOD. Zaza Paculia should be the starting center for this Basketball team going forward, no matter who we play, LARRY DREW,and i hope you are reading this!!! Larry Drew is pulling a Rex Ryan type deal on Ivan and Zaza…
hfc95
December 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
Heres my diagnosis concerning our recent skid..
If we dont start Teague and Devin we dont put the same pressure on the defense to defend our dribble drive with teague and harris and when those two are attacking ealry it forces the opposing team to sag off our shooters and get to the lane. when we start deshawn and korver together it means teague is the only driver and we cant rely on him like that as it is quite clear he is not looking to become a consistent 15 and 7 PG. Its kinda sad to say but devin is desperatley needed on this team with his handles and ability to get to the rim.
Also when Josh was the hot hand in the 1st quarter with 13, LD didnt put him back in the game until the 6 min mark in the 2nd qtr!! Josh should have had 20+ by halftime but LD didnt put him back in quick enough to properly continue his scoring for us. Its as if LD assumes a guy can sit on the bench half a qtr and continue to score like he was no problem.
I would predict a loss tonight vs CHI but I think Jeff will show up tonight because he will want to show his lil bro up and put up 20 on kirk. Korver may get us 15(all 3s) and AL will play out of his mind with rebounds(15+). Hawks 95 Bulls 89
keith
December 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2012
9:13 pm
I’m sorry but Horford quit on us tonight.
He has quit on this team many times before. When you earn 12 million dollars per season, you do not have the “Right to Quit” Winners NEVER quit!!!
SteveW
December 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Philly had better players top to bottom. End of story. They had lost five in a row because Holiday and Turner had been out. Philly is more talented than the Hawks. Wish they weren’t, but its just a fact.
And starting ZaZa gives us our best chance to win nitely. Not ideal, but he just does. Trade some combination of our wing guys and picks for DWill and Aminu maybe. Still have Jenkins and maybe Morrow at the 2, along with Lou. Make Devin Harris your fulltime backup Pg. Balances the team, and players know their roles.
Sign Fesenko, Benson, Dampier or somebody if you don’t think Petro can backup ZaZa.
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
11:39 am
Slim,
It was also alleged that the reason Orlando turned down Ferry’s trade inquiry is because they did not want to trade Dwight to a division foe, so ferry may not have even gotten the chance to present his trade proposal.
As for A’mare, he said is willing to come off the bench, and I think that’s what Woody should do, at least initially. As for the Knicks, I think they rely too much on the 3’s (kinda like the Hawks).
cp
December 22nd, 2012
12:03 pm
Teague picked up two touch fouls last night. I thought one was a real bad call. Defensively he wasn’t bad last night he just got in foul trouble. Jrue hit two difficult shots over him last night. At half Jrue only had two more points than Teague but some of these cats on here were talking about Jrue was dominating. Sometimes I wonder if guys are even watching the same game. Teague’s problem is consistency. He played well against OKC but didnt do much last night because of foul trouble.
Whats annoying about cats on here is that they wait until certain players have bad games to talk about trading them or how trash they are.. And its the same 3 players each time, Teague, Al, and Josh. If they play well then certain posters on here say nothing but as soon as they have a bad game its time to trade them. Quite comical really.
LD needs to go to the big lineup and just stick with it. Stevenson has been better than I thought he would be but when it was reported the Nets were offering Gerald Green I said then they should take him instead of Stevenson. We really need a sf in here.
And I’m sorry but outside of 3 games this season Devin Harris has been terrible. I thought he would be beneficial to have on the court with Lou with the second unit but if you follow the games it seems that whenever we have a lead and those two come in the lead quickly disappears. LD has to let Lou be a scorer and stop letting him initiate the offense. Lou is not a pg and whenever he is asked to be the pg the offense sputters. LD didnt learn from his misuse of Jamal because he is doing the same thing to Lou. And I like Lou but man his shot selection and decision making is terrible.
And how freaking hard is it for our bigs to give the damn pg the ball and fill the lanes on the break.
keith
December 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm
If you could put Al’s brain in Josh’s body, then you would have a pretty good power forward……..
keith
December 22nd, 2012
12:36 pm
Our guys as “Wizard of Oz characters”
Josh= “the Scarecrow” Al= “The Cowardly Lion” Jeff = ” The Tin man”
Our “core leadership” is in desperate need of a visit to meet the Wizard! Josh could use the Brain, Al could use a whole lot of Courage, and Jeff could use a Heart!!!! Quite frankly, they all could use some heart…
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
12:37 pm
CP everything you just said is 100% correct.
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm
The main problem on this team is LD,he doesn’t make the team play as a team.
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm
CP,
I couldnt have said it better myself. Completely cosign. I know Al and Smoove have good passing ability, but thats isnt thier job on the break. Bigs are supposed to run the lanes, and when they bring the ball up Hawks end up with a bad shot or an unnecessary 3. I think that would help Teague’s play as well. He should bring the ball up EVERYTIME, initiate the offense EVERYTIME, and if he doesnt LD should say something EVERYTIME. Your PG has to be a leader, even if he isnt the best player on the team. Teague almost has to have a Westbrook mentality. Say what you want about Russ Westbrook, but you know what youre getting. Agressive play for 48 min.
Rusty
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Swingman912 isn’t it quite obvious by now that LD doesn’t want JT to control the offense,LD shows that he doesn’t even want JT on the floor,no matter what JT does LD will find fault with it.
keith
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Having said all that i have said before, Kyle Korver has been a “tremendous’ asset to our Basketball team. John Jenkins should be on our 2nd unit. We need to find a way to move Johan Petro, someway, somehow….
Melvin
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
The Bulls may be without Deng and Noah tonight.
“A second win this season against the conference-leading New York Knicks on Friday night went a long way towards establishing that, but it was a costly win for Chicago, who may have lost Luol Deng to injury and could potentially lose Joakim Noah to a suspension.”
Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-saturday-bulls-lose-noah-deng/#4loDybSyIWfpXTHS.99
O'brien
December 22nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Hawks do not respond well when their opponent is missing key players
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
1:11 pm
Rusty,
You’re right. He snatches him out so early in the first, and doesnt allow him to get in a groove. Do you think LD is gone after this year?
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm
To: doc
—————————————————————–
doc
December 22nd, 2012
6:28 am
Banking and finance?
Statistics in banking?
Arbitrage and derivatives?
How to sell your soul and mother too?
Banking and finance, funny statistics and funny money may have ruined our economy and our children’s future. Cred just went downhill to talk anything about predictability, even in basketball.
Say it aint so high sider. Really lousy credentials in these desperate times.
———————————————————————————-
I will respond using my best “‘doc’ writing style” impersonation. This response is (probably) not “apropos” since his (doc’s) above post used capital letters at the beginning of sentences, lacked the usual numerous misspellings, run-on and fragment sentences and other grammatical/punctuation errors and was (really) comprehensible, but I will give it a try nonetheless.
doc, do you still cash your checks at a bank or at one of those “check cashng” places [sic]? do you depost your money at a bank or keep it in safe at your house or place of residnce [sic]? do you still have investmnts (e.g., cd’s, mony mrkt accts, time doposits, sticks & bonds, retirment accts, 401K plns, etc.) [sic]? don’t blame/judge the field of study (finance & banking) by the “crooks” who manipulted the (financial) system [sic]. doc, can i judge the medical profession by the doctors, nurses and other medical professionls involved in the ‘notorious’ “tuskegee experimnt” [sic]? can i aslo [sic] judge the medical professin by the medical personel involved in the medical experimnts perfrmed on the jews during the (jewish) holocaust [sic]? now, doc, do you understand where i’m coming from? you get “my drift” [sic]? doc, do you also get this writng style [sic]? kinda funny…hehe [sic]
I’m just kidding with you, doc. (LOL)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apropos
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
1:27 pm
Slim….”Teague fouls are on the rise because he is going up against quality pt guards who are able to blow by him and get their shots anytime they want to. ..”
first game against OKC…no fouls
2 games against CP3…total of 4 fouls
Portland….no fouls
Denver….3 fouls
If its just a coincidence, I’m fine with that. I don’t believe it’s the competition though. Just didn’t know if anyone noticed Teague playing different.
tyger
December 22nd, 2012
1:31 pm
My 5 Observations…
1. This team is a mirage…an illusion of contender…
2. LD, great coach w/o support, still wins!
3. Hawks on the clock…cant eat expiring k’s…
4. Options limited: Gasol, Stoudamire – not sexy…
5. No Allstars demanding to be in ATL…
Admiral SnAckbar
December 22nd, 2012
1:31 pm
ditto on the outlet and fill the lanes concept. duh!
High-sider
December 22nd, 2012
1:47 pm
“This response is (probably) not “apropos” since his (doc’s) above post used capital letters at the beginning of sentences, lacked the usual numerous misspellings, run-on and fragment sentences and other grammatical/punctuation errors and was (really) comprehensible, but I will give it a try nonetheless.”
^Is (Was) the above (sentence) a “run-on” (sentence)? [LOL]
keith
December 22nd, 2012
1:54 pm
The “Best” option for our Basketball team going forward is get get back into the NBA lottery. We have to find the next “Al Jefferson” type of Baketball player. Someone who will give us 20pts 10rebounds and 2blocks on a nightly basis……..
falCans
December 22nd, 2012
1:56 pm
Gotta let Teague go if he costs a penny over 5 mill……Horford will be Horford….2nd tier above Average player….Too bad he is way over paid, still keep him tho. Josh will be Josh…. great #2 option and all around stud BUT since we have no true #1guy please explain why we dont stuff it in to Smoove in the post??? Y are all plays designed to have him on the perimeter??? Gotta admit Smoove can officially shoot but he is a beast on the block
Harpie
December 22nd, 2012
1:59 pm
The problem with this team is LARRY DREW. He is an idiot who doesn’t know how to coach. The Hawks will be mediocre for as long as they keep this pretender as “coach”.
keith
December 22nd, 2012
2:01 pm
Omar Oraby 7″2″ 270lb. Junior USC………Having his way with the Georgia Bulldog basketball team right now….
sour d.
December 22nd, 2012
2:01 pm
Teague
Jenkins
Ivan
Josh
Al
keith
December 22nd, 2012
2:16 pm
Teague
Korver
Ivan
Josh
Zaza
6th man-Al Horford
Grandad
December 22nd, 2012
2:19 pm
Teague is much like Josh;
defensively he tries to get by on his athletic gifts.
He rarely gets in proper stance, he gambles for steals,
and constantly reaches
[uses hands hands as opposed to playing with feet].
Teaguer, whom I like as a Hawk, but do not like as a pg,
is redundant and repetitive with Lou Williams here.
They are essentially the same player [`cept Lou has a jumper]
and gets to the line.
Jeff and Lou are what I call a [1& half] neither a true [1] nor a [2].
As I`ve stated before;
Jeff`s value lies on the defensive end of the floor.
He proved he is not a natural play-maker
at the end of regulation vs the Wiz.
*(final seconds…JT drives…draws a charge,,, Josh wide open)
Josh`s man took the charge…a true pg dishes for the winning basket.
Therefore,
if Teaguer is not or will not become the defensive * “playmaker”
* [i e; "Rondo"] of RR`s caliber then he should be moved.
Therin lies his value.
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
2:33 pm
Grandad,
i do agree that both Lou and Teague are tweeners, i dont think they’re the same player. Lou is a high volume shooter, who’s place in this league is to do just that. When he’s at the PG, then the offense becomes 1 dimensional just like Iso Joe. He’s going to shoot the ball. Thats why he’s not a starter in the NBA, though he does have a place. Teague, may not have the passing skills of Rondo, but he has passing this season better than in previous due to his ability to penetrate(pause). His issues are not shooting enough, and when he does penetrate, he fakes to much and misses the shot, or shoots the floater that he hasnt quite perfected…The Rondo comparison on D would be nice, but Rondo has a 7 foot wingspan and hands the size of catchers mitts, and even with Teague athletic ability, i dont think he’ll be anywhere close to Rondo defensively. Decent, but not, on Rondo’s level.
Grandad
December 22nd, 2012
2:43 pm
Al Horford is Not going to be in the HOF.
Al Horford Is a Great kid, a Great teammate, a solid player,
a solid defender, an elite passer for his position,
an above avg rebounder, a good shooter,
an above avg scorer,
*hustles, and *plays hard, **(though not as hard as Zaza),
is likeable, smart,
high efficiency, good enough to have been an all-star X 2,
-YET-
He is not a Great player, nor SuperStar,
*Not particularly tough, **(when compared to Ivan, though few are)
not an elite Scorer,
probably is best suited to be the 3rd best player on a Great team,
-HOWEVER-
On this blog one would think he is a piece of s # ii + e.
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I do not know if he could be trusted to do it on a consistent basis;
BUT;
I think Ivan could replace Josh *’`or`’* Al adequately.
*Under the present circumstances [minus LD].
cp
December 22nd, 2012
2:50 pm
How are Lou and Teague repetitive when they dont play the same game? Lou has a jumper yet Teague shoots a better percentage from the floor and from beyond the arc than Lou. Teague assist are even double from Lou is giving in the assist department. They are two different players. Teague has become a better passer than he was just last year. Lou is a streaky scorer who makes bad decisions with the ball and takes terrible shots. He can get hot but as seen recently he dribbles the air out of the ball then jacks up a bad shot. I dont mind trading Teague if we get an upgrade at point but I never seen one trade idea on here that makes sense. Lou or Devin as the pg is not a good look at all. Devin cant stay healthy and when he has been healthy has been very disappointing with his play.
Grandad
December 22nd, 2012
2:52 pm
Swingman912
Your analysis of JT v Rondo is “right on”.
My intent was more “defense 1st mentality” -than- “Gifted ability”.
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You are also accurate on the Lou comparison:
`though, I think that is more how thier games have evolved
and how they have been developed.
I think their “Gifted ability” is very similar.
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note:
There was truth in all you said !
To which I agree.
Grandad
December 22nd, 2012
2:56 pm
Try to understand what I was saying.
If you think Teaguer is a pass 1st pg
that sees the floor two and or three plays ahead,
then I must disagree.
He is quick and fast and reacts…………….. Period.
W.R. Terrell
December 22nd, 2012
2:56 pm
Patience, have a wang and a prayer. All is well the “Smoove” will take care of it all with his fantastic play. He will be phenomenal tonight as in scoring 50 points, 35 rebounds, 14 blocks, 12 steals and 22 assists
W.R. Terrell
December 22nd, 2012
2:58 pm
snicker>
cp
December 22nd, 2012
2:58 pm
Seriously wtf is up with your fascination with Al Jefferson? How many all star teams has he made? How many all nba teams has he made? Dude has been in the playoffs once I think in his whole career. Solid player who is at best a 3rd option on a good team. If he is the number one option on your team then you are what the Celtics were with him, Wolves were with him and what the Jazz are with him now.
W.R. Terrell
December 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
That said it will be done in the 1st half
cp
December 22nd, 2012
2:59 pm
I dont think Teague is a pass first pg but he is clearly better playing the pg position than Lou
Grandad
December 22nd, 2012
3:01 pm
*… cp … * —> My 2:56 pm was intended for …*’`cp`’* …
My apologies
cp
December 22nd, 2012
3:02 pm
As far as tonight, I dont think the Hawks win. The Bulls play great defense and play hard all game which is something the Hawks dont do. LD needs to go with the big lineup tonight.
Grandad
December 22nd, 2012
3:04 pm
cp
Perhaps you`re right
I think DFerry plans to bring in CPaul if possible this summer !
If not – we need a pg … a real one … that`s all I meant.
cp
December 22nd, 2012
3:08 pm
Grandad trust me I feel where you’re coming from. Like I said if we can upgrade the position then I am all for it. I dont think CP3 leaves the Clippers.
keith
December 22nd, 2012
3:13 pm
Dream line-up:
PG-Chris Paul
SG-,Kyle Korver
SF-Mickael Petrus
PF-Ivan Johnson/Best available Free Agent(David West)
C-Al Jefferson
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
3:15 pm
Grandad,
I do agree with the mindset of Defense first, for Teague, and everybody else. We dont have a lockdown perimeter defender. DStevenson was that once, but he’s way past that now, though i do appreciate his suprising play this year. But the TEAM has to commit to defense, and fast. Especially since the whole team does nothing but shoot jump shots.
CP,
Once again my friend, youre right on! Al Jefferson?!? That guy is not the answer to this team, or any team for that matter. He’s a double double guy no question, but there is a reason why he’s not considered elite. #1 is he’s a defensive liability. Other Centers expose him on the block or with the face up game. He’s a good player, but Al and Smoove do make defensive plays, so i dont know how much better the team would be by adding him. I’d take Joakim Noah over Al jefferson any day…for real
tyger
December 22nd, 2012
3:18 pm
Hawks Easy Button 1.0
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2xkjxe
Hawks, Knicks, Lakers:
ATL get Stoudamire, Gasol, Shumpert, Earl Clark = $41M
Knicks get Devin Harris, Morrow, Pachulia, Petro = $21M
Lakers get Smoove, Korver, Teague = $20.6M
Why?
Knicks rid of Amare Stoudamire, gain cap room…
Lakers pair Smoove/Howard, get shooter, young PG…
Hawks get relevant, keep Horford, Lou, Jenkins…
New lineup:
L. Williams
J. Jenkins
A. Stoudamire
P. Gasol
A. Horford
I. Shumpert
E. Clark
M. Scott
========
$61M
keith
December 22nd, 2012
3:18 pm
Only current Atlanta Hawks that I would not trade in any scenario going forward:
SG-Kyle Korver
PG-Devin Harris
G-Lou Williams
SG-John Jenkins
cp
December 22nd, 2012
3:19 pm
@Swingman912..Exactly. I dont understand that dudes obsession with Jefferson at all. I remember during the draft a few years ago BK tried to trade up from that 11th pick and get Noah. Noah would be great on this team.I know Chicago is always trying to cut salary. There were rumors that Boozer will be amnestied once the season is over. I would love to somehow get Noah from them.
cp
December 22nd, 2012
3:21 pm
tyger you cant be serious.
MattP
December 22nd, 2012
3:33 pm
LMAO @ tyger
That has to be the worst trade and roster I have every heard.
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
3:35 pm
tyger,
I dont see how that lineup makes us relevant at all. You help out the other 2 teams moreso that the Hawks. Lou is a shoot first guard, so i dont want thim starting at PG. he’s the hired gun off the bench. I dont know who you wanted to start at the 3, but it doesnt matter. This team might actually make the Hawks worse.
paian
December 22nd, 2012
3:38 pm
tyger i think you are turning into another keith
keith
December 22nd, 2012
3:40 pm
” Tyger has been smoking some HIGH POWERED S____”
No way we trade anyone not named Al Horford or Josh Smith…I could trade Josh and Al for Amare in a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!! Only problem is that Woody hates Josh???
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
3:43 pm
Keith,
why would those players not be traded? Devin and Kyle have been moved before by other teams, so they are expendable. Lou is a scorer off the bench for cheap, so he could be kept, and John hasnt had a chance yet, so i may keep him, but if the right trade came, ALL OF THEM COULD GO!
keith
December 22nd, 2012
3:51 pm
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
3:43 pm
Agree, however, the first 2 guys who need to move on(imo) as we revamp this roster, would be
1. Al Horford
2. Josh Smith
3. Johan Petro
4. Anthony “Scrub” Tolliver
keith
December 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Imagine this line-up: (I would move Josh and Al by almost any means necessary)
PF-Amare Stoudemire
C–Zaza Paculia
SF-Kyle Korver
SG-John Jenkins
PG-Devin Harris
Sautee
December 22nd, 2012
4:20 pm
ding!
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
keith,
That lineup doesnt look too bad. but it all depends on what we get back for losing our best 2 players.
Swingman912
December 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
Questions to the bloggers:
Demarcus Cousins has been suspended(again) for conduct detrimental to the team. Would you trade for him? and if so, what would u give up?
keith
December 22nd, 2012
4:46 pm
I do not have any confidence in Coach Drews’ ability to handle a “Big Kid” like DeMarcus. However, I would give up Al Horford and Teague for him or Josh and Teague…..Plus others from Sac-town to make the money match-up????
keith
December 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
” I can only imagine”
Amare getting “double-teamed” in the low-post and kicking the ball out to Kyle Korevr or John Jenkins, or Devin Harris…..Our other frontcourt guy would only have to “Rebound and Defend”
Just Joe
December 22nd, 2012
4:52 pm
CP3 & Dwight Howard decide they want to play together. Both let it be known in the media.
Horford to Lakers for S&T Howard.
S&T Teague to Clippers for S&T Paul (very difficult to pull off).
Use MLE on Kyle Korver (had to waive his bird rights for free agent trades above)
Bi-annual to bring back Ivan.
Hawks use their two 1st rd picks to draft teammates Tim Hardaway, Jr & Glenn Robinson.
Fill out the roster with veterans.
vava74
December 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
Amar’e could be could be washed up already, so I would never trade for him neither Ferry will ever do it.
Slimjr,
I think you are banking too much on his come back. I think that just like last year they will take a lot of time until they find a way to use him (6th man??).
‘Melo is playing well at the PF slot so Amar’e will either have to back him and Chandler to get his 25minutes (compatible with his knees but not his contract) or the Knicks will struggle.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:01 pm
” I’ve never “seen” Najeh so pizzed before. Dude’s usually cool as a phuck.”
Wasn’t p-ssed at all. Just mildly amused and slightly incredulous.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
“I said per-minute stats are actual/real because they are based on or are derived from a player’s actual/real per-game stats. Per-36 minutes stats are theoretical/projected/extrapolated stats when a player’s average minutes played per game stats are (significantly) less than 36.0+(mpg).”
Great, now we’re getting somewhere. I have been talking about per-minute stats for like three days and you keep responding talking about per-36 stats. Per minute stats are not derived from per game stats at all, but whatever. At least I have been able to convince you that per-minute stats are not just some fabrication.
At this point this Jamal vs. Lou thing is getting old and wasn’t particularly relevant in the first place, but I already explained in a previous post that Lou gets to the line better than Jamal at roughly the same rate that LeBron scores better than Josh. Since you now agree that per minute stats mean something, maybe you’ll see the validity in that post. Or not. It’s all good.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
Post up:
http://repatl.blogspot.com/2012/12/catching-up-with-numbers-as-hawks.html
W.R. Terrell
December 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
There’s a lot of crazy scenarios out there concerning trades. Here’s reality, the “Smoove” for a 1st round pick and if a player comes with it that’s viable then good. The HAWKS hopefully will keep Al and also keep the 1st round picks they have. Resign Teague at a reasonable price, keep Zsa Zsa, Morrow and IVAN. There is monies to pick up a SUPERSTAR or at least 3-4 solid players. The HAWKS will be and are in a rebuilding mode but it can be done in a very smart way with good common sense. My only concern is that there may not be that many teams interested in the “Smoove”, the guy is not coachable and his B Ball IQ at its best is below average. There is no need to pay him 14 mill, the guy is not worth it in any capacity. He slows the team down and he can be lazy on defense more then a coach would be acceptable with. I know we all wanted Woody gone but he was right about the “Smoove”.