Atlanta Hawks game thread: Harris out vs. Thunder (updated)

UPDATE: Anthony Morrow was cleared to play and will dress out tonight.

Vivlamore reporting.

Here is your report from the Hawks prior to tonight’s game against the Thunder.

* Guard Devin Harris will not play against the Thunder tonight due to the sore left foot he suffered in Tuesday’s win against the Wizards. He received treatment on the injury but was ruled out. His status for Friday’s game at the 76ers in uncertain.

* Guard Anthony Morrow, who has missed the past two games with back soreness, is a game-time decision. Morrow told me he thought he could play but needed to get his back stretched before a final determination is made.

* DeShawn Stevenson, who coach Larry Drew hoped not to play Monday in the first of the back-to-back games, will play and is in the starting lineup. He will be joined by Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, Josh Smith and Al Horford. Stevenson played 13 minutes after Harris left injured in the second quarter.

* Drew said he would likely go to his bench more tonight, being fearful he played some players too many minutes in the overtime win over the Wizards.

One of those players could be rookie guard John Jenkins. I asked Drew if he considered using Jenkins against the Wizards with the team short-handed. This is how Drew answered:

“When I received word that Devin was not coming back I spoke about it with my coaches at halftime and (Jenkins) was certainly in the mix at halftime,” Drew said. “My first decision going into the game was to not play DeShawn. But the game being what it was I felt I could squeeze 10-15 minutes out of him and be OK, which I was. I was thinking about John Jenkins very seriously. With no Devin tonight there is a chance he may get some minutes tonight.

“It being a game that I felt was a very important game for us to win. Not saying had I put him in there the outcome would have been different but I elected to go with experience at that point. John was definitely one of the guys we were talking about putting in with the matchups but as the game went on I thought it to be more important to go with experience at that point.”

* The Hawks have won two straight against the Thunder, including a victory at Oklahoma City early this season. Drew said his team gets up to play the Thunder.

“I think with our team we have played well against really, really good team,” Drew said. “I consider this Oklahoma City team a really, really good team. … We get pretty pumped up to play against them for some reason. We take the challenge. Certainly when you play against a team like Oklahoma City, it’s a challenge. With this team having won 11 in a row, we have something to shoot for. In our games against them I think our guys have done a good job at accepting the challenge on both ends of the floor.”

- Chris Vivlamore

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397 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
6:48 pm

FTPB

“Does this mean, that when the game means the most, when you make your bones as a basketball player in the NBA, Jamal gets to the line more than Lou? Would I be correct? I was an athlete, did not play fantasy sports. Am I reading the data correctly? ”

Yes, you are reading the data correctly. In the playoffs, Jamal has gotten to the line (and done several other things) better than Lou. In the regular season, Lou has gotten to the line better than Jamal.

Rod from College Park

December 19th, 2012
6:53 pm

Thanks for helping me understand. I was never good at statistics or any math.

“So it is a lot more believable to say that Lou, if given the five extra minutes per game that Jamal gets, would correspondingly increase his free throw attempts as well.”

Here is where we differ. I don’t live in a world of if’s. So I don’t believe it unless it happened.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
6:54 pm

FTPB

“I’d also suggest that Horford would rather pass to an open teammate than take a contested shot. Likely why both his assists and field goal percentage are very good (depsite his middling usage rate). I think that is what you want from someone who is best suited as a team’s 2nd or 3rd scoring option.”

Here’s the problem though — he is at worst the 2nd best player on this team. If there were elite scorers on this team to whom he was deferring, there would be no problem. But on this team, if he gets an open mid range shot with 10 seconds on the clock, he is unlikely to create a better look for someone else by passing the ball. Yes, he is best suited as a secondary scoring option — kind of like Josh, Lou, Teague, and everyone else on this roster. But everyone can’t be a secondary option at the same time.

drmaryb.(""_*).

December 19th, 2012
7:01 pm

Harris Out?

LOL! that;s his par for the course. This guy has made a career of paychecks off his leg injuries, ship Harris outa’ here.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
7:01 pm

“Here is where we differ. I don’t live in a world of if’s. So I don’t believe it unless it happened.”

But in using per-game stats, you are accepting a much less believable “if” — that if Lou played those extra five minutes, he would get to the line zero extra times. That is the limitation of going with only per-game stats. Per-game stats require the biggest “if” of all — saying that if a player who plays less plays more, he won’t do anything in those extra minutes.

Here are a few per-game “actual stats” for you:

2010 playoffs: Jamal Crawford 16.3 ppg, Joe Johnson 17.9 ppg
2011 playoffs: Jamal Crawford 15.4 ppg, Joe Johnson 18.8 ppg

By your logic, Joe is a better playoff scorer than Jamal. Because it doesn’t matter that Joe played 10 more minutes per game than Jamal, because “if” Jamal had played those extra 10 minutes, we have no idea whether Jamal would have actually scored more points.

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:05 pm

Westbrook will be a key tonight. If Teague allows him to get off? Look out!

W.R. Terrell

December 19th, 2012
7:07 pm

Will the superstar who singlehandedly beat the Thunder emerge tonight? the things folks make themselves believe. Lets just hope that the “Smoove” rebounds, play some defense, shoot no further then 3 feet from the basket and run the floor. I hope it’s not SUPERSTAR time.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
7:09 pm

Kevin Durant has never beaten the Hawks by double digits. Hopefully they can win this game or else the legion of Josh haters will be all over the post game blog talking about how the Hawks beat OKC without him earlier this season (conveniently forgetting about the Hawks win over OKC in March).

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:09 pm

Free Jenkins tonight..May he have a breakout game…

Chief Passer needs to do less passing and more scoring tonight!

Teague needs to go off on Westbrook!

W.R. Terrell

December 19th, 2012
7:09 pm

Lets pray for a sensible and smart game by the HAWKS as in no crazy outside shots from the wannabe SUPERSTAR.

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:11 pm

Chief Passer needs to put up 20 and 12.

C’mon he is a 2x AllStar?

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:12 pm

Lets hope the 2x Allstar shows up tonight?

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:13 pm

Melo’s 1st shot, a made 3- ball!

He’s going for 40 again..

Rod from College Park

December 19th, 2012
7:14 pm

“By your logic, Joe is a better playoff scorer than Jamal. Because it doesn’t matter that Joe played 10 more minutes per game than Jamal, because “if” Jamal had played those extra 10 minutes, we have no idea whether Jamal would have actually scored more points.”

Correct.

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:14 pm

W really needed Harris tonight… Westbrook will break Teague down repeatedly tonight with no resistance at the rim…Could be a very long night..At least the “MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT” is on tonight..

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:16 pm

It will be up to Josh to impede Westbrook’s penetration. The other Big is flat-footed and 2 steps two slow..

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:19 pm

iso Joe just shot a 3-ball from Long Island! Bottom of the net..

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:21 pm

Also, It would probably be in the team’s best interest to start Zsa Zsa tonight???

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
7:21 pm

“Correct.”

Huh. That’s interesting. Because it has barely been a month since you said that Jamal was the man when Joe was here. So Jamal was the man, but Joe was a better playoff scorer?

DawgNole

December 19th, 2012
7:23 pm

heat check
December 18th, 2012
10:42 pm

Someone please get Nique a calculator or show him some Reggie Miller/Rodney Rogers footage. With 1:10 left and Hawks up by 5, it’s not safe to write this one up as a W. Not by a long shot. You can hear Rathbun wanting to reel him in on that, but he probably has visions of the courtside suit guy in his head and lets it slide.
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He does that a lot, and the Hawks inevitably go comatose within seconds. Sometimes, they shake it off, like they did last night. Other times, they complete the collapse–and leave Nique backpedaling and making excuses. Rathbun’s hardly a model annoucer. A bigger shill I’ve seldom seen; he’s just skillful/subtle enough with his whining to hide it from most.

Sautee

December 19th, 2012
7:27 pm

keith,

We don’t have anyone named Zsa Zsa on the roster.

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:32 pm

So Al went for 23 and 12 in the last meeting with OKC..
Need a repeat performance!

DawgNole

December 19th, 2012
7:33 pm

W.R. Terrell
December 19th, 2012
7:07 pm

Lets just hope that the “Smoove” rebounds, play some defense, shoot no further then 3 feet from the basket and run the floor. I hope it’s not SUPERSTAR time.
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That’s a lotta hopin’ there. If he’ll just do ANY of those three, it’ll help.

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:33 pm

Hawks must win tonight, however, allow my fantasy players to get thiers!!!

Best Fantasy team i ever drafted is off to a 5-2 start!
PG-Lillard
SG-Harden
SF-Durant
PF-Melo
C-Anthony Davis

Bench–Lou Williams–Zach Randolph—Jamal Crawford–Kemba—Nash—–Deng

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
7:34 pm

“We don’t have anyone named Zsa Zsa on the roster.”

I never realized how well known Zsa Zsa Gabor was until I started reading this blog.

Sautee

December 19th, 2012
7:35 pm

“So Al went for 23 and 12 in the last meeting with OKC.”

And did it, by some, despite being flat-footed and two steps slow!

Wow, he sure gets a lot out of his lack of talent.

DawgNole

December 19th, 2012
7:35 pm

Sautee
December 19th, 2012
7:27 pm

keith,

We don’t have anyone named Zsa Zsa on the roster.
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Maybe it was just wishful thinking. Blah.

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:36 pm

I’d still take Babara Eden over Zsa Zsa Gabor.. LMAO!

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:36 pm

Sautee
December 19th, 2012
7:27 pm

I stand corrected!! Zaza Paculia…

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

December 19th, 2012
7:37 pm

“I stand corrected!! Zaza Paculia…”

What the h?

Luke Cage

December 19th, 2012
7:37 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:38 pm

That’s Barbara Eden[I Dream of Jeannie]..

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:39 pm

Curious to see how All-star Al and Josh come out of the gate tonight…..Al against Perk,,,Al should put up 20plus points!!!

Luke Cage

December 19th, 2012
7:39 pm

Here’s a strange proposal for this blog crew: Lets cheer for our High Flyin’ Atlanta Hawks tonight instead of who’s better between Josh & Al?? Just a thought.

Luke Cage

December 19th, 2012
7:40 pm

Barbara Eden was oh so fine on that show.

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:40 pm

Andre Aldridge looks like he is wearing one of dominiques’ suits???Bad suit…

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:41 pm

Sautee: with his usual quotes out of context. Funny Guy? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:42 pm

Josh has to make better passes….

Luke Cage

December 19th, 2012
7:43 pm

Let westbrook shoot more than durant, thats in our favor. Would be nice if Jeff can goad him into it by scoring on him

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:43 pm

Great D Teague!

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:43 pm

Nice defensive set that time…..

DawgNole

December 19th, 2012
7:44 pm

Luke Cage
December 19th, 2012
7:40 pm

Barbara Eden was oh so fine on that show.
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Even without a belly button.

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:44 pm

Josh has the ugliest JUMPER in the free world!!!!

Luke Cage

December 19th, 2012
7:44 pm

Westbrook wants to be the man so bad, he craves that “Top Billing”

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:45 pm

Enter your comments here

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:45 pm

A jumper by Teaque!

Najeh Davenpoop

December 19th, 2012
7:45 pm

Hawks are leading but their offense looks a little discombobulated.

DawgNole

December 19th, 2012
7:46 pm

Pretty spin move by Josh.

Slimjr

December 19th, 2012
7:46 pm

keith

December 19th, 2012
7:46 pm

Nice defense by Josh and nice move!