Atlanta Hawks: Hawks look to put season-worst loss behind



Vivlamore reporting.

The Hawks took a day off Sunday to lick their collective wounds after the worst loss of the season. The Warriors manhandled the Hawks on the way to a 115-93 victory Saturday night at Philips Arena.

“When they punched us in the mouth we did not respond,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “That was very disappointing. That was very disheartening.”

The Hawks (14-7) were all but out of the game by the second quarter. They trailed by as many as 27 points in the third quarter. Josh Smith was held to three points on 1-of-12 shooting. The defeat was far worse than the 13-point loss at the Clippers in the fifth game of the season, the previous highest margin of defeat.

“I told the guys after the game, this is one game,” Drew said. “We’ll look at it and see what happened. We are not going to let the snowball effect to take place. We are going to move on from this game as fast as we can.”

The Hawks struggled in nearly all phases of the game, Drew said. They shot 36.9 percent (31 of 84), were just 19.2 percent (5 of 26) from 3-point range, allowed the Warriors to shoot 49.5 percent (49 of 99), were outrebounded (54-45) and had fewer assists (32-21).

“I would like to say there will be nights like this but I think it has to do that it was self-inflicted tonight,” center Al Horford said. “We took a lot of bad shots and that affected the way we defended and the way we played as a team. … It was the type of shots. There were a lot of bad shots. It’s something we are going to address as a team.”

Settling for jumpers

Once the Hawks fell behind against the Warriors they began to settle for long-range jump shots. They took 26 3-point attempts and were 3 of 13 from behind the arc in each half.

“That is not acceptable, particularly when we are struggling and we need baskets,” Drew said. “There was a lot of basketball to be played, particularly in the third quarter. You’ve got to make things happen in the paint. You can’t just settle for jump shots and look for the home run. You have to learn how to chip away.”

Free-throw woes

The Hawks again struggled at the free-throw line, making just 26 of 36 attempts. The Hawks have the 28th worst free-throw percentage in the NBA at 70 percent. Only the Lakers and Nuggets are worse.

Tough schedule

Drew said his team will put the Warriors loss behind them – quickly. They must. The Hawks begin a stretch of four games in five days Tuesday with two sets of road-home back-to-backs separated by a day. They play at Washington (3-18) Tuesday, host Oklahoma City (19-4, division leader) Wednesday, play at Philadelphia (12-11) Friday and host Chicago (13-9, division leader) Saturday.

- Chris Vivlamore

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89 comments Add your comment

doc

December 16th, 2012
8:57 am

dad gummit lost a post with this post and it colsed me out

doc

December 16th, 2012
9:04 am

too funny then it wouldnt post my “first” with recap from other blog thay got trashed.

first

leave it at that.

High-sider

December 16th, 2012
9:28 am

High-sider

December 16th, 2012
9:37 am

[This] Hawks [squad] is 28th [in the NBA] in FT shooting [%]? Mark Price [former Hawks shooting consultant/coach], where are you; this [Hawks] team needs your expertise.

Buddy Grizzard

December 16th, 2012
9:53 am

We may have seen the high water mark for this team prior to this game.

Buddy Grizzard

December 16th, 2012
10:01 am

“our ALL STARS, have been worse than the non ALL STAR Josh Smith in the playoffs. Care to explain?”

You mean like last year when Horford played only a fraction of the playoff games but still managed to score as many 4th quarter baskets as Josh and Joe COMBINED for the series?

W.R. Terrell

December 16th, 2012
10:13 am

I hope all of this hoopla about the “Smoove” being an All star will be laid to rest. Those games where he was hitting his outside shot was the beginning of the end. Last eve was the truth about the “smoove”, now LD can move on and give the young folks playing time so they can learn the rigors of the NBA. IVan can be as productive or moreso then the “Smoove” because he just wants to play ball. Mike Scott needs to show what he can bring to the table and Jenkins just needs playing time.
The “Smoove” is not capable of learning and the game last night was a clear reminder of what HAWK fans already know. LD needs to sit him for 5 or 6 games so he can see how the team functions without the “Smooves” nonsense. LD needs to coach now or his job is in serious jeopardy, sometimes one needs to see that players they hope will come thru just can’t. In a way the game was a crystal clear view of reality.

Duluth Joe

December 16th, 2012
10:18 am

Starting lineup should be set and not be musical chairs. Changing starting lineup confuses roles and players. The same player who is PF today, becomes SF tomorrow. Does he play close to basket and focus on help D? Or does he play out on perimeter? Josh needs to focus and know his role (Same for Zaza and Al).

Starting lineup: Zaza-Al-Josh-Korver-Teague
First off the bench: Lou for Korver.
Then bring in Harris for Teague.
First Big should be Ivan (for Al or Zaza). Then bring in Stevenson (for Josh).

Larry Drew needs to keep it simple and let the players know consistent roles and rotations as opposed to other team’s strengths.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

December 16th, 2012
10:46 am

Curry only had 12 against us in GSW and we still lost

FIRE LD

kuhndog

December 16th, 2012
10:47 am

Tough game move on, josh needs to keep his chin up and keep playing tough and in the paint. If josh cops an attitude then he will answer the question weather he needs to be traded. Like pop in San Antanio Drew needs to play the whole bench so all is ready and what happened to Pa Sy the french guy? I know he is back there but does he not want to play in the NBA?

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

December 16th, 2012
10:47 am

Warriors got season swept by Orlando

SMH

Mookie Blaylock

December 16th, 2012
11:13 am

W.R. Terrell

December 16th, 2012
10:13 am

Good Post

Bob Few

December 16th, 2012
11:15 am

That was one UGLY GAME!!!!

Mookie Blaylock

December 16th, 2012
11:19 am

Watching Josh attempt to beat someone off the dribble with his slow a_ _ crossover and behind the back move where he almost throws the ball completely away is comical. Move that bum for a REAL SF and get another big.

One thing we all can agree on is the play of IVAN JOHNSON exceeds his pay, unlike All-Star Horford and All-Snub First Teamer Josh Smith. Josh is an imaginary flashy guard with mythological handles and jump shooting ability. Horford is the real mid range shawty. At least Ivan likes to get physical.

Mookie Blaylock

December 16th, 2012
11:27 am

Josh Romney needs to go

Nate ArchiBALL

December 16th, 2012
11:46 am

Warriors got season swept by the Orlando Magic – Fire Mark Jackson……..

Rusty

December 16th, 2012
11:52 am

Josh has to learn he is a good scorer but not a good shooter. He cant force his shots like he did last night. The short commings of LD are too many to list but the major problem is his ability to not keep a good lineup on the court consistently . Will he ever stop putting good players in his doghouse? Will he ever see that Lou & Harris backcourt will never work. He needs to keep JT on the court,he brings stability to our offense .i think JT can handle over 35 plus minutes a game. This team will win games inspite of LD.

Rusty

December 16th, 2012
11:55 am

I forgot to mention how easy he will give up on a game

Melvin

December 16th, 2012
12:05 pm

Look like they are starting rumors again in LA. Trying their best to bamboolzed another team (this time the Hawks) into a trade. Why in the heck the Hawks do this trade? This would completely undo all the progress that DF did last summer….

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-bolch-nba-20121216,0,7506796.story?%20track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fnba%2Flakers+%28Lakers%20+Now%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

Runner-

December 16th, 2012
12:16 pm

@Melvin

Exactly, what the hell would the Hawks do with an aging center when this league as a whole is getting smaller and Al/Zaza can do just fine…

keith

December 16th, 2012
12:22 pm

Not in favor of this trade. However, f we have to part with players, i would rather part with Jeff Teague and Josh Smith. Then, trade for Eric Maynor of OKC. Maynor is the guy we should have drafted ahead of Teague anyway!

keith

December 16th, 2012
12:24 pm

Runner-
December 16th, 2012
12:16 pm

Al Horford did not do “just fine’ last night! We had NO leadership on the floor last night. Iwatched the 2nd half of the game and the team looked like the old “Mike Woodson led Hawks on the road.”

Duluth Joe

December 16th, 2012
12:27 pm

Melvin, Thank-you for the link.

The article upsets me and I hope people complaining about Josh’s play last night after one bad game (after he was just announced player of the week for Eastern conference) get it that Hawks go as Josh goes (flaws and all).

Melvin

December 16th, 2012
12:38 pm

keith,

Eric Maynor over Teague! You lost all creditability on this blog. We will remind you of your statement on Wednesday night when OKC comes to town….. Maynor! Man please…

Rod from College Park

December 16th, 2012
12:43 pm

“You mean like last year when Horford played only a fraction of the playoff games but still managed to score as many 4th quarter baskets as Josh and Joe COMBINED for the series?”

No, I mean,

Career playoff stats

Horford – 11.7 ppg, 8.7rpg, 47%FG, 76%ft, 1.1 bpg, 2.7apg
Josh- 15.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 42%FG, 70%ft, 1.9 bpg, 2.9apg

Which numbers look more like All Star numbers to you?

Rusty

December 16th, 2012
12:59 pm

Hey Keith your as stupid as ever,tho your boy Harris had such a great game.

lacsho

December 16th, 2012
1:34 pm

The first game I take my family too, we get blowed out. What a waste of good seats, but I can’t complain my boy’s had fun.

doc

December 16th, 2012
3:24 pm

hey slimj now what were you saying earlier in the week?

guess they left those magic rongs at home and are saving them for the playoffs.

what was it?

snore?

heh heh

statement game?

Big Ray

December 16th, 2012
4:05 pm

“When they punched us in the mouth we did not respond,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “That was very disappointing. That was very disheartening.”

Ever get tired of seeing that in print?

Big Ray

December 16th, 2012
4:06 pm

No, I mean,

Career playoff stats

Horford – 11.7 ppg, 8.7rpg, 47%FG, 76%ft, 1.1 bpg, 2.7apg
Josh- 15.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 42%FG, 70%ft, 1.9 bpg, 2.9apg

Which numbers look more like All Star numbers to you?

How about NEITHER of them?

Your uppercut needs some work, Floyd….. :lol:

Big Ray

December 16th, 2012
4:07 pm

Falcons made one heck of a statement today. Even have to give credit to Mike Smith. With his conservative a$$…

Big Ray

December 16th, 2012
4:18 pm

Horford – 11.7 ppg, 8.7rpg, 47%FG, 76%ft, 1.1 bpg, 2.7apg
Josh- 15.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 42%FG, 70%ft, 1.9 bpg, 2.9apg

Seriously look at those numbers. Nevermind that neither stat line looks like a real star to me.

Smith with 4 more points per game (2 baskets).
Horford with 5% better shooting from the field.
Smith with two-tenths of an assist better and almost one more block per game.
Horford with one-tenth of a rebound per game better and 6% better from the FT line.

Splitting hairs, much?

Dumb argument. I’ll bet there’s even a “shots taken” stat to at least partially explain the difference in ppg. Ooops, there IS.

Josh career shots made in playoffs: 267 attempts: 635.

Playoff games – 46. Simple math – that means 13.8 shot attempts per playoff game for his career.

Horford career shots made in playoffs: 204. attempts: 430.

Playoff games – 42. Simple math – that means 10.24 shot attempts per playoff game for his career.

Considering that Horford shoots a better percentage than Smith does, maybe more shot attempts means more points per game.

Guess what? That’s a speculative argument as well, although it has more merit than comparing the career playoff stats of the two guys.

If you ask me, it only proves that neither guy is a star in the playoffs….

High-sider

December 16th, 2012
4:23 pm

[Is] Kirk Cousins just as good as RG3? I don’t know; I’m jus’ sayin’ [or askin'].

Kirk Cousins vs. [the] Cleveland Browns’ defense:

K. Cousins: 26-of-37; 329yds [passing]; 2 TD [passes]; 1 Int.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012121604/2012/REG15/redskins@browns#menu=drivechart&tab=analyze&pbp=gc-pbp-cd

Oh yeah, btw, [the] Falcons [Arthur] Blank [the] Giants, 34 – 0.

Grandad

December 16th, 2012
4:45 pm

Admitted I did not see the game last eve:

Here`s my beef;
Zaza 3 min. total playing time.
Perhaps he was injured, but with no mention, I must assume
`tis LD norm, off the wall coaching ?

Zaza is in four of the to five (five man combos) for highest (+/-) total.
(+/-) is a really good stat for looking at who plays well together.

By using this stat;
zaza should either start or be on the floor most of the time.

Would playing Zaza have changed the outcome last eve ?
Probably not !

Had Zaza played many / much / more / of Josh`s minutes
last eve would the game have been more competitive ?
Maybe ?

The point is – LD is Goofy ?
____________________________________________

Teaguer:

Someone said last nite:

“Curry is no better than Teague” … Ha

I repeat … Ha Ha

Curry was two rebounds shy of a Triple Double ! … 19 / 11 / 8
Yes he shot poorly from behind the arc,
he`s still a 45% (give or take) on three pointers.

Teague *Should* be the better defender !

If Jeff Teague is not an All-League Defender;
he should be traded;
as his offensive skill plus leadership are not top tier quality.

Grandad

December 16th, 2012
4:54 pm

Big Ray

“When they punched us in the mouth we did not respond,”
Hawks coach Larry Drew said.
“That was very disappointing. That was very disheartening.”
Ever get tired of seeing that in print?
-Big Ray-
____________________________________________

Then he follows it up with:
“I told the guys after the game, this is one game,” Drew said.
____________________________________________

That`s what gnarled up my hind-quarters !
G`Dad

High-sider

December 16th, 2012
5:28 pm

Over/Under:

[That] Adrian Peterson rushes for 2K [2,000 yards] this season. Has he [Peterson] rushed for 1,812 [yards] so far with two [regular season] games remaining?

If he [Peterson] rushes for over 2,000 yards and breaks Eric Dickerson’s single-season rushing record [of 2,105 yards], should he [Peterson] be named [AP] MVP, [AP] Offensive Player of the Year, [AP] Comeback Player of the Year or all three?

http://www.vikings.com/team/statistics.html

[I know I'm "off topic" in a big way.]

Buddy Grizzard

December 16th, 2012
6:19 pm

“Which numbers look more like All Star numbers to you?”

Josh definitely looked like an All-Star when he cost us our season by arguing with the ref while KG shot an uncontested jumper.

Buddy Grizzard

December 16th, 2012
6:33 pm

LMAO the Hawks offered the Lakers Josh for Pau LAST SUMMER and the Lakers TURNED THEM DOWN:

2) Gasol and Chris Duhon ($3.5 million) for Atlanta power forward Josh Smith ($13.2 million) and point guard Devin Harris ($8.5 million).

The Hawks called this summer to inquire about a Smith-for-Gasol trade.

The Lakers said no thanks.

They would probably be a lot more receptive now.

Smith, 27, has helped Atlanta become one of the league’s surprises in what was supposed to be a rebuilding season, but the Hawks obviously covet the skill set that has made Gasol a four-time All-Star.

Lakers center Dwight Howard would almost certainly be amenable to playing alongside Smith because they were once teammates on the AAU circuit. They could even hold a joint media conference in July to announce the signing of long-term extensions.

Harris, 29, is somewhat expendable with Hawks starting point guard Jeff Teague off to a good start and would represent a major upgrade over the Lakers’ current backups.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-bolch-nba-20121216,0,7506796.story?page=1

Rod from College Park

December 16th, 2012
6:35 pm

“Josh definitely looked like an All-Star when he cost us our season by arguing with the ref while KG shot an uncontested jumper.”

What about when Horford missed a clutch free throw which would have sent the final game to overtime. Or maybe one of those 7 turnovers in game six in the playoffs would have changed the outcome of that game. See how easy that was?

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
6:41 pm

Yea thats true Al blew the season for us last year when he funked out against Boston the the last game of the playoffs with 7 turnovers. He doesnt even handle the ball that much.

Yea, Josh makes Al a better player by setting Al up…. Al does not make Josh a better player.

Yea, Al Is still a loser defensively. His over and under is about 35 points less than Josh’s 70 to 36
Yea, Josh is better offensively because he creates his own shots and make others play better.

Yea, Josh is also better defensively because is +70 this year in the over and under… Al is a marginal 36

Yea, if anybody deserved to have an All Star promotional blog article written for them its Josh.

He carried this team on his back last year. I would not blame him one bit if he walked after ths year…he is being disrespected by Chris V and the AJC……

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
6:47 pm

Hawks offer Al 4 times last year and go no takers. not even a slight interest…. Every body know Al doesnt play defense and has no offensive skill set.

The only reason his pct is high is because he is standing right under the basket. Over 15 nba centers put up + 50% from the field. You are suppose to. you are right under the basket.

Josh Is the only hawk this year being consider for the league MVP He is currently # 7. Deserving so.
.
Al is not on the list. deserving so. Josh is a leader. Al is a role player

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
6:49 pm

Hawks offered Al 4 times last year and got no takers… even Al says he was “on the board”

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
6:50 pm

Congrats to Valdosta State for winning the NCAA div II Football championship!

Buddy Grizzard

December 16th, 2012
6:51 pm

“What about when Horford missed a clutch free throw which would have sent the final game to overtime.”

The Hawks wouldn’t have been close enough for that free throw to matter if Horford hadn’t been playing out of his mind. Good effort though.

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
6:53 pm

Have a nice day fellows. :roll:

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
6:56 pm

What about the 7 turn overs in the final game of the plays from Al that cost us the game and the series?

What about injuring his self when we were closing in on the trade for Howard? If Al stays healthy Howard would be here playing with Josh and Williams now.

At the Rim

December 16th, 2012
7:00 pm

7 turn overs in the final game of the playoffs from Al that cost us the game and the series?

Grandad

December 16th, 2012
7:07 pm

I hope for all you guys,
that we trade every good player we get.
Because if we get two good ones, some of yawl,
can`t be happy.

All you want to do is fuss and fart about which is better.
*Actually:
Which is Worse !

Hell Fire & Brimstone if we ever had Five really good players ?

There would be “5″ camps;
with each camp tearing down the other four players !

Yawl know it, I do too !
____________________________________________

Some of you & you know of whom I speak:

Cannot or Will not critique or criticize w/o tearing down the other guy.

That is possible, you know.
Actually be critical of one w/o bringing up the foibles of his teammate.
_____________________________________________

Most 0` Yawl ain`t critics, you`re just mean.

Grandad

December 16th, 2012
7:10 pm

I ain`t perfect myself !

But I ain`t afraid to call you out neither.

ctrim

December 16th, 2012
7:16 pm

Steven A in the house lol