Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 113, Bobcats 90 (updated)

Vivlamore reporting.

The Hawks were not about to let an opponent back into the game.

Not this time. Not with what was at stake.

The Hawks started fast and rarely let up in a 113-90 drubbing of the lowly Bobcats Thursday night at Philips Arena. The win gave the Hawks (14-6) a share of first place in the Southeast Division and second place in the Eastern Conference with the Heat.

The victory came one night after the Hawks had to hold off the struggling Magic. It also came two weeks after almost losing a double-digit, fourth-quarter lead to these Bobcats at home.

After leading this game by as many as 28 points in the second half all thoughts of another comeback were moot.

“I think we were able to keep executing,” forward Josh Smith said. “We didn’t get complacent. When we get big leads we tend to get complacent a little bit and let our guard down. Tonight we were able to put our foot on the gas and not let up.”

The Hawks have won 11 of their past 13 games on the way to the top of the standings. They have won seven straight against the Bobcats, including all three meetings this season. One of the Hawks’ last two losses came Monday against the Heat when they had a chance to take over first place.

“I think we feel good about where we are right now,” Korver said. “I think we have a lot of room to grow. I think we are just starting to make some strides in areas we need to grow in, like execution, awareness, discipline. We have a lot of talent but we have to keep paying attention to details. I think in the last week and a half the team is starting to do that more. If we keep growing in those areas, that’s what you have to be able do. To beat the good teams in the fourth quarter you have to be able to execute and you have to play with discipline. You can’t just play harder. I think we are starting to get that.”

The struggling Bobcats (7-15) lost their 10th straight game. They haven’t won since Nov. 24 when they matched last season’s win total.

The Hawks didn’t have to rely on Al Horford and Smith in this one. They got big games from a host of players. Devin Harris scored a game- and season-high 20 points. Ivan Johnson, who had not played in three of the past four games, scored 16 points. Lou Williams had 13 points and tied a career-high with nine assists. Kyle Korver returned to the starting lineup and added 13 points.

Coach Larry Drew made a point to highlight the play of Johnson.

“I had not been playing him but he came in tonight and had an impact on the game,” Drew said. “Immediately you felt his presence. He did a phenomenal job coming off the bench.”

Smith had 18 points and Horford chipped in 11 points to round out the double-digit scorers. Horford had his streak of seven straight double-doubles snapped.

An 18-7 Hawks’ run to start the third quarter, including back-to-back 3-pointers from DeShawn Stevenson, put the lead at a game-high 28 points.

“I think mentally, in the locker room, we just decided that we were going to do it,” Korver said. “It’s easy to let up when you have a lead. We’ve done that several times. We’ve gotten away with it. But we know. Tonight, coach came in and he was talking about it but he didn’t have to because we were already talking about it. Like we were going to go out there and put them away.”

The Hawks led by as many as 19 points in the second quarter and took a 60-43 lead into intermission. Drew called the first half one of the best by the Hawks this season.

The Hawks took control of the game with an 11-2 run late in the first quarter and never looked back. By the end of the first 12 minutes, the Hawks were leading, 30-19, on 61.1 percent shooting (11 of 18). The Bobcats, by stark contrast, shot just 30 percent (6 of 20).

The Hawks had three double-digit scorers in the first half alone with Harris (16), Smith (12) and Korver (10). Harris bested his previous season-high of 15 points through just one half.

“It wasn’t easy,” center Zaza Pachulia said of the Hawks’ position in the standings. “There are 14 other teams that are trying to be in your place. It always feels good to be number one. It’s just a quarter of the season and we have a long way and more games to go. It’s important to have this feeling. We still have to improve. I’m sure we have a gap there that we can get better, especially against the better teams. We haven’t played New York and Boston yet.”

The Hawks have played back-to-back games four times this season. They are 3-1 in the openers and 4-0 in the finales.

- Chris Vivlamore


* A share of first place on the line vs. Bobcats

* Hawks 86, Magic 80

* Morrow to start vs. Magic, Pachulia warned for flop

* Smith on Smith: Steve says ‘travesty’ Josh never All-Star

* Video: Hawks look to sustain winning ways

* Korver, Scott rejoin team

* Heat 101, Hawks 92

* First place on the line vs. Heat

* Josh Smith named Player of the Week

* 3-pointers may be key to defeating Heat

* Hawks 93, Grizzlies 83

* Harris not settling for jumpers

* Hawks 104, Wizards 95


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December 13th, 2012
9:50 pm


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December 13th, 2012
9:51 pm


December 13th, 2012
9:51 pm

Great game, we didnt let them stick around this time finally!


December 13th, 2012
9:59 pm

This Hawks [team] did what it was supposed to do tonight and that was “take care of business.” I never would’ve thought this Hawks team would be tied for first [place] in the Southeast Division with about 1/4 [one-fourth] of the [regular] season almost completed. I “tip my hat” to you two [Mr. Larry Drew and Mr. Danny Ferry].


December 13th, 2012
10:06 pm


The Magic’s victory was the most lopsided four game sweep in playoff history.

He played his starters too many min;
were worn out by play-offs.

He stuck with Mike Bibby

He refused to give “rook” Jeff Teague a chance


Switching Defense – no adjustments

His team quit on him

No Offensive X`s & O`s accumen whatsoever

stubborn, obtuse, no eyebrows

never reached the Conference Finals

never ran a play coming out of a T.O.



December 13th, 2012
10:08 pm


*[f t p b]

Najeh Davenpoop

December 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

Good to see a blowout. Even better to see Ivan back in the rotation and hanging around the basket making plays as usual. Jenkins showed something in garbage time, albeit against a terrible team.


December 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

John Jenkins showed he got a good little step back jumper…

Dude has a quick release.

Wish we’d get to see more outta the dude. I know he’s sitting behind like 5 gaurds, but he looks like a player.


December 13th, 2012
10:11 pm


They sound like Freaking World Beaters?

I missed this one..Actually I did not miss it[lol!]

Larry keeps beating these nobody’s he will be in the running for COY! hahaha

Naw just survive and win…Danny sure looked pretty empty tonight @ Phillips. Better bring Justin back for halftime entertainment!

Hawks Fan-O-Maniac

December 13th, 2012
10:12 pm

I’m really impressed with this new style of basketball by the Hawks!!!!!! Hawks brass… we’re watching!!!!

Big Ray

December 13th, 2012
10:13 pm

Heh…the Hawks Reserves were not about to let this game get away.

Josh Smith’s offensive game was on, Horford showed some interest in defense (the only Hawk to block a shot and he actually had 3 of them). But neither one seemed to hip to working the glass.

Enter Pachulia, Stevenson, and Ivan the Terrible for that task.

Horford didn’t show much on the offensive end though having taken only 9 shots he didn’t do bad.

I get tired of games like this from Teague. It’s like he can’t stay interested from game to game.

Korver continues to be one of the game’s deadliest snipers. We can only hope that John Jenkins can be that way for us some day (yeah right…we’ll probably make him part of some trade deal…but he doesn’t have much value right now so it’s better to develop him).

Lou Will and Devin were great. They’re the reason for the blowout…

Back to Ivan, who showed that he deserves more minutes than he gets…in every game.


December 13th, 2012
10:14 pm

14-6? I’m impressed too.

Cant wait till they get into the meat of the schedule against the juggernauts…

Najeh Davenpoop

December 13th, 2012
10:14 pm

Regarding Woody, here’s what I posted on Peachtree Hoops about him.

I haven’t seen a ton of Knicks games this year, but it seems to me that he has lucked into the ideal roster for his coaching style. Iso offense? He has the best iso player in the league. Prefers veterans? At least half the key rotation players are over 30. Don’t know if he still indiscriminately switches his D on the perimeter, but he could even do that to an extent since Kidd can still guard multiple positions effectively. I’ll believe he’s a better coach when the 3s stop falling for them against some team that defends the 3 well and he has to adjust.

Until then, I’m not convinced he is any different than he was here. He made the Hawks into a very successful regular season team, and he deserves credit for that. Similarly, the Knicks look very good in the regular season. Sh-t, they looked really good in the regular season under Woody last year (18-6). Then they went to the playoffs and lost in the first round.

A coach who can’t make adjustments isn’t going to get far in the playoffs. It remains to be seen whether Woody has learned to do that.


December 13th, 2012
10:15 pm


I agree. Would love to see more of Jenkins. Guy has a great release.


December 13th, 2012
10:18 pm

Both the Knicks and the Hawks will be in the playoffs..

Both Coaches will show adjustments or be exposed…Cant wait!

android 35

December 13th, 2012
10:20 pm

Don’t look now – Smoove is shooting almost 43% from three. I’m not minding those, but the long two’s still suck.


December 13th, 2012
10:37 pm

Start Zsa Zsa on most nights, I would prefer to bring Al off the bench. Al and Lou could dominate most 2nd units in this league!

Gray Mule

December 13th, 2012
10:38 pm

Great game. Great to see our new JJ and Scott
in the game. They came in when it was certain
that they couldn’t possibly cause a loss.
Thought they might get in sooner and rest the
starters but coach was afraid of the results.
Ivan looked terrific. Gotta wonder why he hasn’t
been on the floor.


Section 303

December 13th, 2012
10:42 pm

Here’s something I never thought I would type a few years ago….I do not mind Josh Smith shooting from the outside these days. His shot looks fluid. That was the problem in the past. He would take jumpers with a weird hitch in is shooting form. That’s not the case anymore. Even when he shoots from 3, his shot looks good. It’s like he totally worked out the problems with his stroke.

Great, easy game tonight. I’m sure someone on here will find something to complain about. Whatever that is, it will be a total stretch. You would have to dig deep to find a grip in tonight’s game.

Section 303

December 13th, 2012
10:44 pm

I’ve seen enough of the Bobcats for awhile. Is it just me, or does Bismack Biambo suck? I don’t even see raw talent in that guy. Jalen Rose always says that a big guy has to be able to walk and chew gum to get an NBA contract. Can Bismack even do that?


December 13th, 2012
11:02 pm

atlanta fans need show more love for there team. i watched tonights game and there wasn’t many fans there.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 13th, 2012
11:06 pm

Biyombo is averaging nearly 10 boards and 3 blocks per 36 minutes despite not understanding how to play the game yet and being only 20 years old. He may not be good enough to justify his lottery pick status but I don’t think he’s on his way to being a bust like Thabeet or something either.

On another note has northcyde given up his Hawks fandom now that his boys Joe and Marvin have been traded and the team looks better than ever? Dude used to drive four hours to Hawks games from Tennessee and sh-t and now he’s nowhere to be found.


December 13th, 2012
11:21 pm

Jonathan, love your comment. This team is really playing TEAM ball and is fun to watch. No more iso joe. On some plays thought I was watching the 69 Knicks. Fans need to get behind this team and show some love. It sucks to go to games and the cheering is louder for the Knicks, celtics, heat etc. Drives me effing crazy. Come on ATL, let’s get behind this team and rock the OMNI, oops, Phillips.
Sec 209 row d.

Rod from College Park

December 13th, 2012
11:30 pm

“On another note has northcyde given up his Hawks fandom now that his boys Joe and Marvin have been traded and the team looks better than ever? Dude used to drive four hours to Hawks games from Tennessee and sh-t and now he’s nowhere to be found.”


[...] Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 113, Bobcats 90 (updated) The Hawks begined fast and rarely let up in a 113-90 drubbing of the lowly Bobcats Thursday night at Philips Arena. The win gave the Hawks (14-6) a share of 1st place in the Southeast Division and second place in the Eastern Conference with the Heat. Read more on Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

Rev in Tampa

December 13th, 2012
11:45 pm

It could be that northcyde is blocked from the blog as I am. I cannot post from home. I think T/S jacked my name to make crude comments from “the Rev” so my home computer got lumped into the blocks that C-viv put in place to stop the banality.

C-Viv has been working on it for me, and I appreciate it tremendously, but the problem is still not solved.


December 13th, 2012
11:54 pm

I love D. Harris game. If Ivan had more discipline and ran the plays like they are designed by the coach he would get more minutes. The Warriors aren’t that good, but we better bring our A game.


December 14th, 2012
12:09 am

Lemme see what yall b!tching about tonight……..


December 14th, 2012
12:09 am

cviv, any reason to have blog monster so active tonight. two posts in a row lost.


December 14th, 2012
12:12 am

meanwhile john holllinger is now a griz vp for his stats mind.


high sider will get back to you as my post was blocked. second one in hours.


December 14th, 2012
12:20 am

slimj, knicks have ten weapons at least, we might have four legit ones. the onus is more on woody than ld. for some reason you try to put them on the same boat wonder why. applea and oranges, a lot of difference in talent on that knicks bench. arent there two gold medal winners on that bench to equal that in miami? how many have we got.

josh down a bit for all star nimbers than what we would like. the new system will emphasize that he has been the hawks lead all star vote getter over jj and al, just over looked in coaches ballot. fans have always preferred him to al or jj. maybe the atl fans need to get behind a movement to stuff the ballot box.


December 14th, 2012
12:34 am

December 13th, 2012
5:50 pm

To: doc

Woody took over a bad Hawks team and “coached it up” to a playoff team by his fourth year in Atlanta. Woody [also] took over a “direction-less,” under-performing Knicks team [last season] and, now, this Knicks team is currently a No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference.

Coach Lawrence Frank took over a Nets squad that had made it to two consecutive NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003 and turned that [Nets] team into a perennial lottery doormat.

high sider you are rewriting nba history:

Frank became the interim head coach of the New Jersey Nets on January 26, 2004, succeeding Byron Scott, after serving as an assistant coach with the team since the 2000-01 season. He officially became the head coach of the Nets on June 21, 2004.
Frank began his NBA coaching career by achieving a 13–0 record from January 27 to February 24, 2004, which set a new NBA record for the most consecutive wins by a head coach to begin a coaching career. The 13-game winning streak was also the longest winning streak of any coach in any of the four major professional sports to begin a career. During the streak, the Nets won six consecutive games on the road, which gave Frank the mark for the most wins by a head coach on the road at the outset of his coaching career.
The Nets picked up Lawrence’s option on June 6, 2006, and added a two-year extension on July 23, 2007. He was relieved of his duties on November 29, 2009, after the Nets began the season with an 0-16 record.[4] This streak was ongoing at the time of his dismissal and continued afterwards. Frank was the only coach ever in the NBA to start and end his tenure with a team with a double digit winning streak and losing streak.[citation needed] Following his firing, Frank worked as an analyst for NBATV. On July 15, 2010, Frank was hired by the Boston Celtics, replacing Tom Thibodeau as the lead assistant coach on Doc Rivers’ coaching staff.

this preceeded franks:

In 2000, Scott took over a struggling New Jersey Nets team. His team performed poorly in his first year, but that changed in the 2001-02 season with the arrival of Jason Kidd as the Nets raced to a franchise record of 52 wins. In the process, they won their first Atlantic division crown and appeared in their first NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers. Despite losing the championship series to LA, Scott came back to coach the team through another successful season during the 2002-03 campaign, once again taking the team to the NBA Finals, but losing once again—this time to the San Antonio Spurs. New Jersey was up by double figures in game six, but the Spurs tightened up their defense and won the game and the championship.
Scott was fired during the 2003–04 season, as New Jersey had a disappointing 22–20 record coming into the All-Star break, even though they were leading their division at the time of his dismissal. Rumors of a rift between Scott and Kidd circulated media outlets, with sources allegedly claiming that Kidd wanted Scott out of Jersey. All the parties, including then Nets GM Rod Thorn, denied the reports. Scott claimed that he was “very surprised” by the report and that he and Kidd “always got along”.[2]
He was succeeded by his assistant Lawrence Frank.

a downward spiral with scott as coach and a problem with the star kidd seems the culprit here not franks running down the nets, ok? a lot of things happened in nj irrespective of franks h-s. but see it as obtuse as you want.

again, i don’t think franks is that good but has a good pedigree as an assistant if you go back and look. franks record has nothing to do with woody only dumars losing his touch as a gm. more later.


December 14th, 2012
1:04 am

northcyde had some type of surgery last yr [sometime];
I hope he is okay.
If anyone knows how to contact nc,
how about checkin` on him.
He lives in Clarksville, Tn.

Thats all I know.

Yawl have got me worried about him now.


December 14th, 2012
1:18 am

I`ve been thinkin` about the so called “Killer Instinct”
which LD frets about.

I`ve decided that “Killer Instinct” is *Directly Correlated*
with *Defense* !

When a Team has it`s opponent “on the ropes”;
and you do not wish to let them “off the ropes”;
that is the time to turn up one`s Defensive Intensity !

I truly believe that getting lackadaisical begins
on the Defensive end of the floor.
So, when the Coach feels a lull,
one way or the other – crank up the Defense.
via *substitution, *timeout, *or have a Mario West on the team,
to light the fire.

But, if a coach really belives in a defense 1st approach;
then this is where you find your “Killer Instinct”.


December 14th, 2012
1:37 am

Nice win.

Good to see Ivan get some minutes and contribute and the Hawks resting their starters a bit.


December 14th, 2012
1:38 am

Hollinger VP of the Grizzlies:

Empty stats show off being rewarded. Good grief…


December 14th, 2012
1:44 am

On Woody:

Grandad and Najeh summarized the most important facts about Woody, however, I would like to add another remark.

I think Woody is a really good man. A guy who does not have two faces like LD.

Woody said things to guys eye to eye. So I believe in Teague when he said that Woody told him that he would not play.

Woody made a number of incredibly stupid things, being the most important to have assistants and then not delegating anything on the X’s and O’s.

LD is a good X’s and O’s guy and should have been during Woody’s tenure the guy designing plays off time outs and bringing diversity to the Hawks’ offense, but Woody simply went ISO-Joe over and over and over.

Woody also had Larry Brown’s brother to assist him on D, but apparently he never accepted any advice and always went “switch-switch-switch” with results we all know.

Until Woody proves that he can move beyond his crystallized style, I don’t care how many games he wins with the Knicks during the regular season.

That %$#& does not work in the playoffs against top opposition that will make adjustments on the fly.


December 14th, 2012
1:47 am


LD’s concept of cranking up things to reach that “killer instinct status” is to add another shooter to the floor…

Najeh Davenpoop

December 14th, 2012
1:55 am

On Inside the NBA right now, Shaq all but came out and said the Hawks are better because they got rid of Joe. Called him “Joe Cool”, criticized him for hogging half the shot clock and stopping the ball, praised the Hawks’ improved ball movement this season and noted that this year’s Hawks seem to have more of an identity.

Shaq has the Hawks winning 46-47 games this year. Kenny is the high man at 51, C-Webb the low man at 45.


December 14th, 2012
3:34 am

I watched that discussion on Inside the NBA. I have to agree with Chris Webber. I see us winning somewhere between 44 and 46 games. It’s great that we’re 14-6 but the fact still remains that we have not had a strong schedule. Yes it’s wonderful that we pass the ball around now and it doesn’t just stay on one side of the court with one person. I’m glad to see us playing more on the inside. With all that being said, we have beaten the Clippers once out of the two games we played them. We beat Memphis, OKC, and a decent Nuggets and Blazers team. It’s really hard to tell how good we are.


December 14th, 2012
3:45 am

I will be at the Golden State game with all my rowdy friends. Lol. It’s time to make our presence felt in Phillips blog team! Great hustle and effort and electrifying wins should be rewarded with fan suppport! Acknowlege the effort make it a point to make a at least a game or two per month!


December 14th, 2012
6:45 am


I agree with Shaq, but JJ behaved like that:

First by design under Woody;

Then by default under LD because LD did not have the balls to manage personnel and change JJ back into the player he was in PHO.

I know that people will say that it’s impossible for a coach earning 1.3 million and needing to win to get his next contract to go against a guy earning 100 million, but for me, that’s hogwash.

LD is known publicly for not being able to establish discipline (commentary made by various pundits) and that is a direct result of people looking at the Hawks and seeing a weak coach failing to reconvert JJ into a more balanced player.

If he had gone against JJ – if that had proven necessary – he would have earned league wide respect since JJ’s ISO game was called out by EVERYONE.

The Hawks’ chemistry improved by default since JJ’s game (and loner demeanour) was putting off other guys and hampering our game.

But the fact is that JJ had not been completely adverse to the motion D, it was LD who was too weak to insist on it and completely eliminate the ISO-Joe to close games.


December 14th, 2012
7:39 am

Something to keep an Eye on–I think the Lakers are now willing to move Jordan Hill (sooner rather than later) for a bonafide Shooter or Point Guard. I really do not want to lose Devin Harris (I feel he is a Key Component of this Team) and I would want much more in return. However, perhaps Anthony Morrow and something else (maybe even Anthony Tolliver) would get the Deal done. The Lakers have reached a point where trading Gasol for value would be very hard to do and they really need to Shake Things Up, plus Hill and Coach Mike D had their differences at their last stop together. I live in Los Angeles and from talking to people associated with the Lakers this is the vibe I get. The Hawks can really become a Dangerous Team with the addition of Another Big and Hill can play, plus it would afford John Jenkins an opportunity for more minutes. I really hope something happens soon and Dec. 15th may be a Key Date for this to come to fruition.

Section 303

December 14th, 2012
7:46 am

EmirS., I could give two sh#ts what Chris Webber or any of the national talking heads say about the Hawks. I have a lot to say on this….First, they ignore the Hawks all year and just use excuses not to give the team praise. Look at all the nut sucking Brooklyn gets. What have they done? Besides the fact that they play in NYC, I mean? Yet, Barkley, Webber, pick your moronic talking head….Suddenly, Brooklyn is a title contender?! Whatever.

The coverage of this league is so lazy. The Hawks have been a playoff team for years now. They’re more than established. Yet, because they do not play in NYC, Chicago, or LA they have to prove themselves….I won’t even mention that they’ve defeated OKC and Memphis on the road…wouldn’t want facts to get in the way or anything, right?

Hawks are a good team. They’ll win more than Webber or any of those other clowns say.


December 14th, 2012
7:49 am


December 14th, 2012
7:54 am

emir s, exactly what i have been saying. however, confidence does go a long way in this league and their confidence is growing as a team so they might even surprise more. i still say and said 44 to 46 and think we are at a high water mark over the .500 line. also think it is over achievement and someone needs cred as wins are not that easy.

i also said several weeks ago, dont be surprised if this team is 18-11 or 19-10 going into the new year. they are getting very close to that. so will .500 going forward be a fiailure? i dont think so though some will come on here and scream, i told you so.


December 14th, 2012
8:08 am

high sidera little more. the nets became a pretty dysfunctional organization because of some sad sideline stories that probably took their attention from basketball;

On February 14, 2002, 55-year-old limousine driver Costas “Gus” Christofi was shot to death at Williams’s estate in Alexandria Township, New Jersey.[4] Christofi had been hired to drive Williams’s NBA charity team from a Bethlehem, Pennsylvania event to his mansion, about 30 miles (48 km) northwest of Trenton, New Jersey. Members of Williams’s NBA charity basketball team were present at the scene. The New York Post reported that Williams was playing with a shotgun while giving a tour of his 30,000-square-foot (2,800 m2) home when the weapon fired, killing Christofi.
In April 2004, Williams was acquitted of the more serious charges against him, but the court’s jury deadlocked on a charge of reckless manslaughter. He was convicted on four counts of trying to cover up the shooting.[5]

Gray Mule

December 14th, 2012
8:26 am

Someone said, “No gripes.”

Did you check and see how many points the Hawks left
on the free throw line? I know, this wasn’t a close game.’
Those points on the charity stripe, we gotta get them.


Coach D

December 14th, 2012
8:35 am

J. Smith & A. Horford are playing some all-star caliber ball now. Josh is playing disciplined ball, getting to the rim & dominating at times. Go HAWKS!!!!