Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 86, Magic 80 (updated)
Vivlamore reporting.
It was supposed to be easy. The Hawks made it look that way – at least for 45 minutes.
The Hawks used fast starts in the first and third quarters but had to hold on to defeat the Magic 86-80 Wednesday night at the Amway Center.
The Hawks (13-6) defeated the Magic for the eighth consecutive game, including both meetings this season. It was also the Hawks’ 10th win in 12 games, concluding a 2-1 road trip.
The Hawks built a 19-point third-quarter lead but had to withstand a Magic rally in the final three minutes of the game. Keeping big leads has been an issue for the Hawks this season and the problem reared its ugly head again.
“For our team, we are going to have to learn to develop a killer instinct when we get a team down,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “Right now, we don’t have it. We bobble too many balls. We miss too many fast-break opportunities. We have too many defensive breakdowns when we get leads. We allow teams to get back into games. It’s something that we are going to have to develop.”
The duo of Al Horford and Josh Smith led the Hawks again. Smith had 16 points and 11 rebounds and Horford added 13 points and 13 rebounds, his seventh consecutive double-double. The Hawks also got double-digit scoring from Jeff Teague (16), Lou Williams (11) and Devin Harris (10).
“You can really see them starting to gel,” Drew said. “They’ve played together over the years but what I’m seeing from them is something that is special. They both are really learning to play off each other. When you have a guy with the versatility as Josh and Al is a guy who has similar versatility. They seem to read each other well and it’s getting better every game we play.”
The Magic (8-13) lost their fourth straight home game, something they haven’t done since Dec. 2007. Aaron Afflalo led the Magic with 16 points, including three 3-pointers.
The Hawks built a 19-point lead in the third quarter, 57-38, by going on an 11-2 run and cruised from until the Magic put together their late run. Drew said he never felt comfortable, even with the large lead.
“We were just a little out of rhythm,” Horford said. “You have to give them credit. They never went away. That’s the type of team they have over there. I’m just happy that we were able to hold the lead.”
The Hawks got off to a fast start scoring the first 10 points of the game. The Magic missed their first six shots and had a turnover before finally scoring with 7:19 remaining in the first quarter. The Hawks led by as many as 14 points, 16-2, as they made 8 of their first 11 shots.
The Magic stormed back with a 13-2 run in the opening period. They took a brief lead in the second quarter when a J.J. Redick jumper made it 27-26 with 6:35 remaining in the second quarter. It was the Magic’s only lead of the game. The Hawks scored the next six points and closed with a 20-7 run and took a 46-34 lead into intermission. The Hawks shot 47.5 percent (19 for 40) compared to just 34.1 percent (14 of 41) for the Magic. Smith led the Hawks with 10 first-half points.
“(We were) able to get off to good start,” Smith said. “We didn’t want this crowd to get into the game and we didn’t want to give them confidence early. We came out and were able to push the extremely well, look for open people. We started off the right way but we have to make a conscious effort of not letting teams back in the basketball game when we have large leads.”
The Hawks also got nine points from Kyle Korver, who played 23 minutes after missing five games with back spasms. Zaza Pachulia had seven points and nine rebounds. Ivan Johnson did not play for the second straight game. When asked about Johnson’s status, Drew said the forward “will certainly be rested” when it comes time to play the Bobcats.
The Hawks play their third game in four days when they host the Bobcats Thursday.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Slimjr
December 13th, 2012
1:23 pm
Coach Larry knows his Hawks should have buried Orlando..
But their sloppy guard play and front line escort service fully engaged, that blowout never came to fruition…
He should be ticked off!
Rod from College Park
December 13th, 2012
1:39 pm
Some of us also understand that playing our bigs 35 to 40 minutes a game early in the season, when there is a more than servicable backup, who rebounds better than almost anybody on the team is very stubborn and foolish. We as Hawks fans have seen the stars on the team burn out come playoff time too many times in recent history to fall for that again. Also Ivan Johnson is better than the Jason Collins, Eric Dampier’s of the world, so most of us would like to see him get more time and develop so that if we do actually need him later in the year, he will have the experience and confidence to help this team. Not playing him, for whatever reason LD is putting out there is just plaijn foolish, especially against the Charlottes, Orlando’s, and Washington’s of the NBA because we know he won’t play against the big boys.
vava74
December 13th, 2012
1:44 pm
AJ
“vava, I come here to celebrate wins and enjoy the fellowship of a common bond of Hawks fans.”
Do you mean the fellowship of Hawks’ fans who don’t care if we don’t win a championship and are just here to get “entertained” by the NBA product?
Even I, who have a more detached approach to sports fan-hood, don’t want to be on that fellowship.
I want to see the Hawks win it all and I reserve my right to issue my opinion amongst fellow Hawks’ fans on what appears to be going well or bad.
Slimjr
December 13th, 2012
1:47 pm
Yea I know Josh had 5 blocks at the 3..
But he’s no rim protector playing small forward.. That may work against the scrubs, but Miami aint no scrub..
But great job by Josh taking up the slack on [D] for the other 4 slackers.Josh feeds Al better than ISO did.. lol
Steve Smith, it is a travesty!
vava74
December 13th, 2012
1:53 pm
Rod from College Park
December 13th, 2012
1:39 pm
Co-sign. Why on hell shouldn’t we b!tch when is clear that not playing Ivan is detrimental to the future of this franchise?
DNP-CD two games in a row because he got an unfair Tech? Should we always get on refs’ faces when there is bad call? Heck no, but we should not roll over either.
LD should accept Ivan’s quirks the same way he accepts Josh’s.
Getting a tech and FT against is not worse than Josh launching an ill advised jump shot early in the clock or one of his classic fast break turnovers.
Talk about it, try and get Ivan to understand that he needs to stay as much as possible under the radar but don’t bench him.
If Ivan was playing 20 minutes per game and averaging 10 and 5, day in and day out drawing charges and fouls as he does consistently when he gets his minutes, he would be much more respected in the league and less targeted by the refs as he is now as a fringe rotation player.
PROJECT Ivan as a legit NBA player whilst keeping some good advice flowing into his ears. DON’T undermine him and make him look foolish for being who he is.
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
1:53 pm
How does a head coach earn “trust” from the fan base? By winning games. If LD needed to keep Ivan on the bench, then as the head coach of the surprisingly owner of the 3rd best record in the confierence, I will trust him. If/when he is the owner of the 7th best record in the conference, he will lose some trust and that may no longer be the case. But as of today, the Hawks are winning and if he thinks certain guys need to ride that pine, so be it.
vava, I have no desire to stop you from voicing your opinion but I do get to comment on your opinion. The Hawks are ~20 games into the season, excuse me if I am not yet thinking about championships and playoffs.
I’ve watched too much basketball to believe that the decisions a head coach makes on a Wednesday against a lottery-bound team will be replicated in May against a playoff team.
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
2:00 pm
We have a head coach who changes his starting line-up more often than some of y’all make up your bed… yet some are acting as if LD should be setting his playoff roster today and maintaining it until May.
If the Hawks learn to blowout some teams, then Josh & Al can get some rest. I bet you that the Hawks have also not been the losers of as many blowout games as in previous years, meaning that Al and Josh are on the floor at the end of those games as well. Maybe I was the only one who saw LD rest those guys a little earlier than expected the other night in Miami.
Its not simply about Ivan.
Ken Strickland
December 13th, 2012
2:03 pm
It’s good to be back. I had some computer and internet problems that kept me off line. The Hawks have been playing well as a team, and I expect that to continue throughout the season. Unlike in the past, we have several players, rather than just 1 or 2, with individual scoring ability(Williams, Korver, Harris, Teague, Horford, Morrow, and Josh) that can carry the team for stretches during a gm.
We’ve even seen IJohnson have spurts where he’s carried the team, and I believe if given a chance, JJenkins could definitely carry the team offensively for periods at a time. With us having back to back gms, it was downright stupidity on LDrew part for refusing to play Ivan while over playing Horford. This team, as constructed, can ill afford that type of arrogant stupidity from Drew.
He seems to be pulling the same selective coaching approach that MWoodson employed. That was to come down hard on the younger players while looking the other way when it comes to dealing with vets that really need decipline the most. While Drew has done a good job of coaching overall, we need someone who’ll do a better job of keeping personal issues and hangups from interferring with player and team development.
vava74
December 13th, 2012
2:06 pm
AJ,
I think Ivan has the potential to be KEY to our post season success.
Not playing him and undermining him for the sake of nothing when LD uses double standards every time is not my cup of tea.
Slimjr
December 13th, 2012
2:11 pm
Larry your blatant discrimination against Ivan is disheartening to say the least..
Your personal bias should not come before the team goal of becoming a contender..
Get out of the kitchen if its too hot for ya..
Slimjr
December 13th, 2012
2:14 pm
Doc how does this sound:
Woody is 19-1 at home as head coach of the Knicks. Music to my ears.. lol!
34-11
16-5
11-2, Playoffs?
bfred
December 13th, 2012
2:19 pm
Joe – the issue to me is I’m afraid of a Woodson-style shortening of the bench. As the Hawks move through the season there will be injuries and cold spells that will require substitutions and to ask a bunch of guys who have been riding the pine developing hardening of the arteries from inactivity is begging for trouble. Against the Heat, when it was bombs-away time late in the 4th, doesn’t it maybe make sense to have last year’s #1 long-range shooter in the NCAA on the court putting up those shots? When you’re up 15 in the 4th against a lesser team doesn’t it make sense to rest your center who has played almost the entire game? Leaving him in sure didn’t help protect that lead very well, probably because he was tiring out.
I get what you’re saying – win when you can – but to suggest there’s little value in resting players and getting meaningful PT for the backups makes no sense.
Gwinnett Fred
December 13th, 2012
2:24 pm
This is a team to feel real good about. But it’s only because they are doing what they’ve done in the past few years for less money.
They still are not good enough to contend for the Championship, and anything less should not be a teams goal.
So put those 2 things together and things would align in some kind of special way if they can keep Josh and a couple other key reserves and then spend the freed up money to land a super stud (Howard?) next year.
Seriously ASG, do you have any idea what a sold out arena most every night would look like? Well, get that superstar in here (not pay superstar money to a very good player – aka JJ) and give the city a real hope for a title and you will find out!
Grandad
December 13th, 2012
2:30 pm
Look fellas,
I think Ivan especially and JJenkins should be playing,
Ivan moreso than JJ.
However, in Ivan`s case we don`t know the whole story.
It seems to me that there is more than meets the eye.
In this particular case, we need to cut LD some slack
and let the situation play out.
MsDee
December 13th, 2012
2:31 pm
Chris Vivlamore @ajchawks
Josh Smith 8th in All-Star voting for front court players in East. #ATLHawks
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
2:33 pm
Again, a head coach earns trust (from me) by winning. Because of the shortened season, some may not recognize this, but LD is putting together consecutive 50+ type winning seasons. Last year, without Al (and Joe missing several games) and this year with a hodge-podge of players. And yes, i am ONLY talking about the regular season. There is more of a sample across roughly 80+ games than the 6 from last year’s playoff series.
vava, maybe I missed it, but do we know that Ivan was “benched” because of the technical foul the other night?
Here’s an open question, if you know that a player has had serious anger management issues… like literally being thrown out of an entire basketball league because of emotional outbursts; if you know that those emotional issues have negatively impacted his professional basketball career, don’t you potentially handle that player differently than other players? What if the Hawks consulted a sports pyschologist who suggested an “early intervention” strategy for Ivan. Do you need to have his psychiatric records publicized (which is illegal) for you to consider that maybe immediate discipline and consequence management is the advised approach from professional behaviorists?
OK, so if you don’t want to get that deep (or speculative), I refer you back to my previous posts. LD has earned a little trust, the team is winning (which is the objective) and the rottation decisions in December do not serve as a prediction of rotation decisions in May.
But I do stand by the assertion that the way a boss manages Ivan’s anger issues (IF that does have something to do with his DNP-CDs) is and should be different than how he handles other players who have not had comparable issues. The way you manage a person with a common cold is different than how you handle someone dealing with pneumonia.
cdog
December 13th, 2012
2:34 pm
jeff teague played smarter against the majic than he did against the heat.jeff, stop trying to do too much. just play the point.the hawks have players for every other aspect of the game needed.just play hard and smart. same to josh smith.the hawks should prevail tonight.
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
2:39 pm
Ken Strickland [REPOST],
So much for “him” giving up more [points] than “he” scores. [The number(s)/stat(s) is/are subject to change.
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High-sider
December 12th, 2012
6:44 pm
Rod from College Park
December 12th, 2012
6:14 pm
“while Morrow can’t adequately defend anyone.”
Neither can Korver, or as many say on this blog neither can Jamal, but it’s funny how the Clippers are one of the top 10 defensive teams in the league with Jamal playing major minutes. Hmm…..
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Guess who has the best [individual aggregate] +/- stats for the Clips so far this [regular] season. Ain’t that about a “blimp” – hmmm.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22012&split=9&team=Clippers
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
2:39 pm
bfred, I don’t disagree that extended playing time is detrimental to players. I just don’t think that what we’ve seen int he last 3-4 games is what we’ll see in the next 60. it wouldn’t surprise me if LD had to lean on Al & Josh in part because Korver was missing. I know, different positions and skill levels, but we have read that Korver is very vocal on the defensive side of the court… maybe LD wasn’t comfortable without having a vocal defender on the floor during stretches of the game. I am speculating, of course. But the speculation is based on things published previously.
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
2:43 pm
Ken Strickland [REPOST]
Here’s another [post/comment] to “chew on.” [Again, the number(s)/stat(s) is/are subject to change.]
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High-sider
December 12th, 2012
7:00 pm
Guess which [five] Clippers’ players are included in the team’s best five-player combination [with respect to +/- statistics (+55)] so far this season – hmmm.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22012&split=9&team=Clippers
“Guess who has the best [individual aggregate] +/- stats for the Clips so far this [regular] season. Ain’t that about a “blimp” – hmmm.”
Team high [individual aggregate] +/- [statistic/number/integer/value] of +147 goes to [none other than] ____________ [fill in the blank].
O'brien
December 13th, 2012
3:07 pm
AJ also trusted Mike Woodson for not playing Teague, saying maybe Teague was not ready. Come to find out…Teague said woody told him at the start of the season that he would not play. May e woody decided he wasn’t ready based in training camp
Also, if Teague had played more in his first 2 seasons, I think he would be further along in his development. So trusting a HC only goes so far.
Woody was winning 50 games with his iso-JJ, but was it sustainable in the playoffs? No. So just because he was winning 47+ games doesn’t mean I have to agree (and trust) all his decisions
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
3:14 pm
OB, yeah, that was Teague’s side of the story. And we all know, it only takes one side to get a story completely right. I mean, if it had been something like “you are too passive, you haven’t learned the plays, you need to hit the weight room, diversify your shots at the rim, fight through screens and try to study the scouting report”, I’m sure Teague would have offered that up also.
Everyone is free to opinionate as they feel. I personally think folk who complain about minute distribution during a 10 out of 12 winning period are just finding something to b!tch about. We all are free to look silly around here.
Section 303
December 13th, 2012
3:18 pm
O’brien, you could also make a case that Teague was handled well. He was ready when they needed him to be in the 2011 Playoff series with the Bulls. There’s a chance Teague would have come in a complete bust and be out of the league right now, had he been thrown into the fire from day one. Who knows? All we know is that, right now, Teague is good. And, really, that is what matters.
Section 303
December 13th, 2012
3:20 pm
Slimjr, you do realize that the Magic had been playing well coming into last night, right? And, this is the NBA….not going to blow out many teams at their own arena. Survive and advance.
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
3:21 pm
Section 303, co-sign!!!!!!!!!!!!
bfred
December 13th, 2012
3:22 pm
AJ, I disagree with the assertion that workload management is irrelevant in December. Once a player gets fatigued it’s hard for him to catch up. It’s similar to overworking a pitcher – there’s only so many effective innings in his arm before deadness or injury. A tired player is also more likely to get hurt. Would I have Ivan and Jenkins out there in late and close situations? No. Would I have Jenkins shooting 3’s when down 10 on the road to the defending champions or Ivan guarding the rim with a big lead against an inferior team? Yes.
bfred
December 13th, 2012
3:25 pm
By the way, I’m not looking for something to complain about – I’m thrilled the Hawks are playing so well. But these are in-game decisions that protect your starters while not impairing your ability to close out a game.
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
3:44 pm
bfred, I disagree with the basketball player/pitcher comparison. Pitchers are over-exerting a very narrow and specific set of muscles with a repeated, unnatural motion. It is even different than what happens with a position player. In fact, I can’t think of another position in sports that is as “utility-limited” as a baseball pitcher. Maybe a pro bowler?
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
3:47 pm
bfred, if Al and Josh are still playing 40 minutes over the next 5-6 games, I’ll join your rant.
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
3:50 pm
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/minutes
DS
December 13th, 2012
3:58 pm
Smoove 8th on forwards for allstar voting??? There shouldn’t be more than 4 players ahead of Josh this year….fans should be allowed to vote only once…Big Al and Smoove will be allstars!
doc
December 13th, 2012
4:19 pm
slimj, you know i said that the knicks could be scary way back in july. said amare or not. as far as the playoffs they will go as far as woody’s players take him. he is along fir the ride. ususlly when it is time to go to the higher rings of thebplayiff pyramid ciachingg becomes more important. let us wait and see. i think woody is more loaded than say mike smith is. heh heh, to mix sports.
Astro Joe
December 13th, 2012
4:26 pm
doc, a lot of sports mash-ups today. I am particularly proud of my bowling reference earlier
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
5:04 pm
doc,
“slimj, you know i said that the knicks could be scary way back in july. said amare or not. as far as the playoffs they will go as far as woody’s players take him. he is along fir the ride. ususlly when it is time to go to the higher rings of thebplayiff pyramid ciachingg becomes more important. let us wait and see. i think woody is more loaded than say mike smith is. heh heh, to mix sports.” – doc @4:19pm, 12/13/2012
So, is Coach [Lawrence] Frank a better coach than Woody? [And] Coach Frank is able to get a “second chance”?
Coach Frank’s record from 2009 – 2010, 2011 – present:
‘09 – ‘10 NJN 0 – 16 [0.000]
‘11 – ‘12 DET 25 – 41 [0.379]
‘12 – pres. DET 7 – 17 [0.292]
http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/frankla99c.html
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
5:09 pm
^Correction/edition:
Coach Frank’s record from 2009 – 2010, 2011 – present:
‘09 – ‘10; NJN; 0 – 16 [0.000]
‘11 – ‘12; DET; 25 – 41 [0.379]
‘12 – pres.; DET; 7 – 17 [0.292]
http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/frankla99c.html
doc
December 13th, 2012
5:13 pm
slimj, werent we 34 and 7 with woody one year for home games? flip side we werent winning the away games at a similar rate, not even .500. maybe we didnt even win more than half on the road. wasnt that one of the things ld focused on when he came here that first year, figuring out a way to win better on the road. i think he called it you have to play smarter and control momentum and it worked. then he figured a way to slay d12 and the magic.
some say he lost the bulls series and maybe he did. i saw some beef handling our guys. even korver maybe doing something to alter jc1’s game. wasnt he on the bulls as the jc1 equivalent on the bulls? just saying but he must not have because we all know that he cant play defense.
i know some point to ld as the cause jc1 didn’t deliver. guess it was lds fault that jc1 didnt have the stellar year he had with woody or was that because he was worried about a contract year and not quite up to form. maybe it was more he was upset because the brinks didnt get brought to the house he rented and trashed in buckhead?
never know what to expect from you aj. heh heh
doc
December 13th, 2012
5:19 pm
high sider, wtf is that about? what is your point and how did franks get in on it? franks also started about 19-0 with the nets the beast ever, didnt he but he never was with the knicks so again wtf are you talking about and why? maybe you got the wrong new york area team?
i am talking about woody and his ability to deliver in the playoffs. again relate to me the relevance of what you are asking and i will attempt to answer. right now it makes no sense no matter how i read it or interpret it.
i will say woody and the knicks should get closer to the promised land than the hawks as presently constructed woody or not. i like that team. again, they will get as far as the players take em. not bad but no phil jackson there in the making or red or doc. again, not bad either.
Ken Strickland
December 13th, 2012
5:36 pm
ASTRO JOE-I find it very hard to imagine Woodson would have those issues with Teague while insisting on running an extremely slow, nonaggressive, unathletic, DEF liability, and none agressive none penetrating one dimensional PG like Bibby. Then again, if he did take that stance, it proves he was an absolute ASS.
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
5:37 pm
To: keith and doc
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keith
December 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
Right now Lou Williams is the only Hawk I have on any of my Fantasy Teams. However, if the Coach will allow our best player and shooter, Kyle Korver, to get into rhythm, this guy will score 25ppg. I would definitely ad Korver to my fantasy team…
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“…some say he lost the bulls series and maybe he did. i saw some beef handling our guys. even korver maybe doing something to alter jc1’s game. wasnt he on the bulls as the jc1 equivalent on the bulls? just saying but he must not have because we all know that he cant play defense.
i know some point to ld as the cause jc1 didn’t deliver. guess it was lds fault that jc1 didnt have the stellar year he had with woody or was that because he was worried about a contract year and not quite up to form. maybe it was more he was upset because the brinks didnt get brought to the house he rented and trashed in buckhead?…” – doc @5:13pm, dated 12/13/2012
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Here is a theme song for you [two].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gly18qDStbg
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
5:50 pm
To: doc
Woody took over a bad Hawks team and “coached it up” to a playoff team by his fourth year in Atlanta. Woody [also] took over a “direction-less,” under-performing Knicks team [last season] and, now, this Knicks team is currently a No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference.
Coach Lawrence Frank took over a Nets squad that had made it to two consecutive NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003 and turned that [Nets] team into a perennial lottery doormat.
vava74
December 13th, 2012
5:56 pm
Teague came out blazing in his first pre-season but ended with a huge dud against ORL, probably after Woody told him he would not play anyhow.
Woody then spent the whole season yanking him at every minimal mistake and giving him dnp-cd treatment even if he had shown promise in the previous game.
Last game of the season, against the cavs missing – if memory serves me right – only Lebron and Shaq, but featuring Delonte, Jamison and several other pretty decent NBA rotational players, Teague played all 48 minutes and ended with 24 and 12.
Teague saw no relevant daylight in the playoffs and we were humiliated by the Magic when Bibby and Jamal failed to make a single stop on D and Woody refused to simply play Howard man to man.
I am sorry that I am underwhelmed on how Woody treated Teague…
Onto LD: same number with the added wrinkle that LD gave hope in the press for Teague, praising him but then giving him the same DNP-CD even after good games, all whilst riding probably the sorriest excuse of a starting PG the NBA has ever seen in what was the corpse that Bibby had become in his last year with us AND insisting in playing Jamal at the point where he could not produce his offense neither facilitate for others.
Enter the playoffs and with Kirk down, Teague plays virtually toe to toe with Rose… But we lose the series because LD refuses to give minutes to Zaza.
Last year, ditto, with Zaza down and Smoove out for one game and hobbled for games 3 to 6, LD hardly gives any minutes to the rookie of the month of April who had shown he could go toe to toe with both long and nimble guys like Bosh and sturdy and crafty guys like M. Gasol.
Sorry AJ, I don’t question LD’s X’s and O’s but his record as a “manager” is cr@p for me and it’s not this fast start that will make me change my mind.
When push comes to shove I know that LD will again miss manage personnel and fog me he is already doing it with Ivan and pushing all the wrong buttons.
This will probably end ip badly with Ivan punching him.
Slimjr
December 13th, 2012
6:06 pm
The Hawks were so bad, they only won what 13 games in Woody’s 1st year as Head Coach?
Boy did he turn that ship around? hmmmm
Slimjr
December 13th, 2012
6:07 pm
Get your popcorn ready!
Lakers vs.Knicks tonight on TNT!
keith
December 13th, 2012
6:22 pm
Welcome Back Kyle
Opposing teams “fear” Kyle Korver. They are not backing off him when he is beyond the 3 point line. When was the last time we had an Atlanta Hawk Basketball Player that garnered that much respect for his Basketball ability?
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
6:22 pm
To: vava74
“…Teague saw no relevant daylight in the playoffs and we were humiliated by the Magic when Bibby and Jamal failed to make a single stop on D and Woody refused to simply play Howard man to man.” – vava74 @5:56pm, 12/13/2012
Jamal Crawford’s individual game +/- stats during that 2010 EC Semis vs. the Orlando Magic ranged from +4 to -35. Most Hawks’ players that played “heavy minutes” during that 2010 second round playoff series vs. the Magic posted horrendous +/- stats/numbers.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&output=total&year_min=2010&year_max=2010&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=ATL&opp_id=ORL&game_num_min=8&game_num_max=11&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts
keith
December 13th, 2012
6:27 pm
Kyle Korver and John Jenkins have “elite” shooting skills. Right now, Korver, Jenkins, and Lou Williams, are the only Hawks that i would not include in any trade scenario going forward!!
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
6:28 pm
To: vava74
“…Last game of the season, against the cavs missing – if memory serves me right – only Lebron and Shaq, but featuring Delonte, Jamison and several other pretty decent NBA rotational players, Teague played all 48 minutes and ended with 24 and 12.” – vava74 @5:56pm, 12/13/2012
Actually, the box score shows Jeff Teague had 24 points, 15 assists and five rebounds in 48 minutes [of game time].
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201004140ATL.html
High-sider
December 13th, 2012
6:50 pm
To: vava74
“…Enter the playoffs and with Kirk down, Teague plays virtually toe to toe with Rose…” – vava74 @5:56pm, 12/13/2012
2011 EC Semis Hawks vs. Bulls:
Derrick Rose – 29.8ppg, 9.8apg and 4.3rpg
Jeff Teague – 14.8ppg, 4.2apg and 2.8rpg
vava74, you trippin’, trippin’, trippin……
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=teaguje01&p2=rosede01