Atlanta Hawks: 3-pointers may be key vs. Heat

Vivlamore reporting from Miami – where I have taken my talents to South Beach (OK, that was bad and I’m sure done 100 times before but I couldn’t resist).

A quick post before I head to Hawks shoot-around prior to tonight’s game against the Heat. I spent too much time going over some statistics on my travels yesterday and the key to beating the Heat could be efficiency from 3-point range. The Heat have lost five of the seven games in which they allowed their opponent the highest 3-point field goal percentages.

Here is the list:

1.  58.3 percent (14-for-24) vs. Grizzlies – Loss

2.  52.8 percent (19-for-36) vs. Knicks – Loss

3.  47.6 percent (10-for-21) vs. Clippers – Loss

4.  46.2 percent (6-for-13) vs. Celtics – Win

5.  45.2 percent (14-for-31) vs. Cavaliers – Win

6.  40.9 percent (18-for-44) vs. Knicks – Loss

7.  36.8 percent (7-for-19) vs. Wizards – Loss

The Hawks shot 36.0 percent (9-for-25) in their November loss to the Heat.

Without Kyle Kover (back spasms), the Hawks will welcome back DeShawn Stevenson, who rested on the second game of a back-to-back in Saturday’s win over the Grizzles. As one of our fine posters pointed out, Stevenson has made 32 field goals this season, 28 of them have been 3-pointers. That is an .875 percentage rate. It turns out that is the second best percentage rate in the league behind only the Heat’s Shane Battier at .879 (29 of 33).

I will update after shoot-around.

- Chris Vivlamore

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FreshFromATL

December 10th, 2012
10:20 am

Popped A Molly, I’m Sweatin’…….WOO!!!!!!

——Go Hawks!!!!

paian

December 10th, 2012
10:24 am

Korver will be missed this game for sure

Slimjr

December 10th, 2012
10:32 am

Get your popcorn ready!

Their armor has been breached! Thank you Woody for showing us how to cook South beach!

This would be an epic victory for the Hawks!

Stay focused Josh!

Al= Mr Consistency

Morrow has to nail some outside shots.

Our guard play has to be superior…

Slimjr

December 10th, 2012
10:33 am

Slimjr

December 10th, 2012
10:35 am

Falcons rushed for 35 combined yards against a 3-9 ballclub?

What gives?

Slimjr

December 10th, 2012
10:36 am

Hurry back Kyle!!!

Astro Joe

December 10th, 2012
10:36 am

Dang, DeShawn, how about trying to hit a lay-up or 5 this season?

Marcus

December 10th, 2012
10:52 am

could J. Jenkins get some burn in the absence of K. Korver?

KevinA

December 10th, 2012
10:53 am

How refreshing to see the Hawks new kind of ball. No more Bibby wasting the clock only to hand off to JJ who passes off to Josh with no time on the clock AND THEN THE “CLUNK”. JC was fun to watch but left everybody standing around watching. And wheeeeee…the big men are finally getting the ball more. Sund went on his merry way with Marvin to complete the sweep. Good times are at hand….Merry Christmas

hot.trod.87

December 10th, 2012
10:54 am

#Hawks key..Expose their point guards (or lack thereof) and make LBJ a passer.OUTREBOUND them & take high % shots to avoid open court plays.

doc

December 10th, 2012
10:57 am

heh heh, props to cviv

ftlb

aj for sure those reminder folks that it is a long season are only really saying that because their egos are bruised and their vision for the future hasnt played out yet. those are the same folks that lined up to say we would be a swinging gate on defense because morrow, stevenson, and for sure korver and lou couldnt stop a dripping faucet with a turn of the wrist much less another nba guard with al hiding in the weeds avoiding all players bigger than our wives.

guess that makes josh a hof’er for sure and ld better than phil or red in coaching these guys up. oh yeah those are the same that always ran down ld. personally glad to see the mentally tougher josh in the floor as i have always thought his ceiling was lgrowing, that there should never bern the al vs josh discussion as they were complimentary and ld finally seen in the light of his value in terms of wins per dollar spent.

yupbstill expect 500 season going forward but these guys can play and hopefully get some help along the way. ld can coach and he adjusts during ganes and coming out of to’s well. ye is cerebral which may get him into trouble on occasion but makes it a lot more entertaining as a basketball fan to see what is coming next. not “wooden” in any way but flexible, expect the unexpected ie,unpredictable.

meanwhile in the long season category the nets are in a five game slide.

vava74

December 10th, 2012
11:02 am

AJ,

Let DeShawn do his thing!

vava74

December 10th, 2012
11:10 am

ag,

I must say that I am extremely surprised with the Hawks’ performance so far, this season.

I did not watch this game – actually, I have only watched 2 full games, both wins against OKC and the Clippers – and what I saw is in line with what I am going to say:

Chemistry. I think that there is a special bond within this group, probably the direct result from the exist of the two loners (JJ and Marvin).

It seems very clear that we may even be headed in a direction where Josh will be happy to reduce his shots when they are not going in and accept that some nights his contribution on other aspects of the game are material to the success of the team.

On LD: his X’s and O’s were never the problem, but his personnel management was.

With the current group, the only guys who have the pull within the roster to undermine LD are Josh and Al and all in all, both are team players with Josh being the only guy of the two with the potential to go astray and… he seems to be getting it, bit by bit.

MattP

December 10th, 2012
11:20 am

Marcus,

I don’t see Jenkins getting playing time because we have been without Korver for like 5 games, no Stevenson against Grizzlies and Jenkins still didn’t get play time besides the last minute. Drew will just go for a smaller rotation like he did with the Grizzlies.

Jimmy Crack

December 10th, 2012
11:20 am

A great win by a nationally invisible NBA team. The AJC doesn’t notice much either. What do we have to do to make a headline around here? If dominating a 14-3 team doesn’t do it, I think giving an “L” to the Heat will finally wake up ESPN, as well as these AJC bloggers.

DS

December 10th, 2012
11:23 am

vava74 just out of curiosity, how is it that you are one of the most frequent posters here, yet you say you’ve only watched 2 full games so far? Not trying to belittle your comments…just thought it was strange when I read your comment above (11:10)

wordsmithtom

December 10th, 2012
11:24 am

Don’t see Jenkins playing much either. Morrow gets minutes. Remember, Jenkins has a 3 year deal: Morrow doesn’t. Plus, Morrow has experience, which against a team like the Heat, is important. I’m not concerned with JJ2’s lack of playing time. We know he can score. It doesn’t hurt him to ride the pines of a winner. In fact, I’d rather he sit and watch a winner, than play because we’re losing.

ag

December 10th, 2012
11:25 am

I knew the Nets acquiring JJ was fool’s gold. Many were surprised by their hot start. Most people should realize what make the Nets a very good team is Brook Lopez. Since he has been hurt, the Nets are struggling. He missed all of last year and their record reflected that. DWill and Lopez have never played a full NBA season.

That is why I am especially puzzled on why the Magic did not do the trade with the Nets. To get Lopez and Brooks and others would have been a better deal for them. I actually like Brooks better than JJ and that is the one player I really wanted in the deal we made with the Nets.

I must admit to Vava74, I have been very critical of Stevenson to the point I did not want him to make the team – also of Korver. Both have proven me wrong. Again, both a really good situational players and help the Hawks with a “team” concept.

The way the Knicks beat the Heat is the key to success. I think LD should let our guys run, run and run. I actually would like to see JJII to start to give us shooters at all times. It will be interesting to see the starting lineup and see the outcome of tonight’s game.

vava74

December 10th, 2012
11:26 am

But, nonetheless, it’s still early and we could hit a bad slump at any moment.

ag

December 10th, 2012
11:26 am

I am sure he will answer you DS, but Vava74 is in South America. Thank goodness for the internet!

Chris Vivlamore

December 10th, 2012
11:29 am

I’m told Hawks still have not made a decision on when to bring Mike Scott back from D-League. Jam play Monday and not again until Friday.

dsoullrenaissance

December 10th, 2012
11:29 am

This game feels like a let down game. The old Hawks would surely lay an egg just when the league is taking notice.

ag

December 10th, 2012
11:29 am

I am actually in Atlanta and go to several games. The great thing is I have not paid over $15 for a ticket this season! Believe it or not, I refuse to watch a game in the upper deck, so all of my tickets have been in the 100 section. Against Denver, had GREAT seats, – but all have been in Sec 121 , etc.. I wish I could earn money from them, but I love me some Stub Hub!

ag

December 10th, 2012
11:32 am

Understand the deals are for the lesser type of opponents, Bobcats, Wizards etc., but hey can’t beat the price. I did purchase tickets for the Celtics and they did cost $90 a piece.

Buddy Grizzard

December 10th, 2012
11:32 am

“Because Grandad, Buddy Grizzard and Honesty think he plays better defense than Jamal Crawford, I’m supposed to take it as the gospel.”

I saw JC1 literally step aside and allow Jameer Nelson to penetrate the lane in a playoff series against Orlando. Lou has been up and down as a defender this season. I praised his defense after the first pre-season game, but he’s had good games and bad games. But there’s no question about this: Lou’s defensive effort this season is far more consistent than Teague’s. I know JC1 is having a career year on offense, but I haven’t paid attention to his defense. Is he trying at all this year?

“Finally, he is showing signs of the guy I thought he would be in college.”

I was at the Denver game and he lit us up. Strange that he finished with a team-worst +/-.

vava74

December 10th, 2012
11:34 am

DS,

I live in Portugal. Tip off at mid-night is the best case scenario and when they go to the west coast, tip off is at 3am.

Two years ago I watched live about 50 games and on the following day about 25.

Last year I only watched live about 20 games and another 15/20 the following day.

That took a lot of energy out of me and I am a self employed professional, so Hawks were undermining my work :-D .

This year I have chosen to take it easier early in the season, so I have watched bits of games (both live and the following day) and the condensed version on league pass and I read and analyse a lot of data.

dsoullrenaissance

December 10th, 2012
11:35 am

That being said, this is a winnable game and with wins on the road in Memphis and OKC, The Hawks don’t seem to have a backdown bone in their collective body.

vava74

December 10th, 2012
11:42 am

ag,

Portugal is in Europe. 5 hours to the East.

doc

December 10th, 2012
11:42 am

hot from last blog and kevin now

exactly

Astro Joe

December 10th, 2012
11:47 am

CViv, why bring him back at all (Scott)? Hawks have enough frontcourt depth to allow him to keep working at his game in the D-League. I hope Jenkins joins him as soon as Korver is fully healthy.

wordsmithtom

December 10th, 2012
11:51 am

AJ, totally agree on Scott. However, I beleive Jenkins would be better off practicing against pros than stuffing stats in the D’League. He will learn defensive positioning guarding Morrow/Stevenson/Korver in practice. What’s he going to learn playing scrubs….?

Astro Joe

December 10th, 2012
12:01 pm

wordsmithtom, I could see value in Jenkins practicing with the pro team. But I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the D League talent. I suspect that there are some offesnive-minded SGs there that would present a defensive challenge to any 1st round draft pick.

Buddy Grizzard

December 10th, 2012
12:01 pm

Samurai Squirrel

December 10th, 2012
12:03 pm

I seriously doubt Mike Scott will ever play more than 100 minutes in a Hawks uniform. Get used to watching him sit at the end of the bench.

Buddy Grizzard

December 10th, 2012
12:04 pm

HS, I left out the bit about Embree because you didn’t explore it enough but threw it in as an aside. Understand that I’m not shy at all about issues of race, having marched down Auburn Avenue with James Orange and stood in Dr. Joseph Lowery’s office to plot media strategy to prevent George Bush from using the King Memorial for a cheap photo op.

I doubt there would be any racial component should Ferry ultimately fire Drew, especially if Ferry then turned around and replaced him with another African-American coach.

wordsmithtom

December 10th, 2012
12:08 pm

AJ, clearly the knock on JJ2 is lack of defensive skills. Some even picked him as the best pure shooter in the draft, but his defensive talent not so much. Practicing against guys like Stevenson/Morrow/Korver is a true learning experience. He gets paid just as much to practice against talent, than for stuffing stats in the D league. He doesn’t need any shooting practice. He needs defensive practice. He won’t play unless someone else gets hurt or another trade realigns the depth charts. Perhaps not this year. But, he’s a keeper, and I’m not concerned with his lack of playing. He who sits and waits his turn patiently also learns.

wordsmithtom

December 10th, 2012
12:22 pm

AJ, small personal anecdote. When I was in the first grade, everybody started off reading a Pre-primmer. It was a starter book; and easy. After the first week, even though the rest of the class stayed in the Pre-Primmer, I was given a hard back book and told to read it. I complained, everybody else is reading the easy book. Well, the teacher said, You already know how to read that book. Time for you to move up to the harder book. I complained to my mother and she just laughed at me. Welcome to the real world son; when you master one task, you are given a harder one. JJ2 has mastered the scoring thing…..why practice that skill set against less than elite talent?

Samurai Squirrel

December 10th, 2012
12:24 pm

I bet John Jenkins is not on this team after next season. If he were NBA caliber, he would have been playing already,

Astro Joe

December 10th, 2012
12:26 pm

Tom, I agree completely that a young player can learn during practices with experienced NBA players. But you make it sound like he won’t have to play defense in the D League, and I have to believe that is up to the head coach and Jenkins. I have no idea how much time the NBA team scrimmages (opportunities for him to actually go hard against his experienced teammates). I suspect it isn’t more than 3-4 hours/week. And I suspect that of the guys mentioned, only Morrow is healthy and young enough to truly go hard in practices. I don’t know whjy he can’t improve his individual defensive skills in the D League. At least if he goes there, we know that he will be paying against guys who aren’t going at half-speed.

Samurai Squirrel

December 10th, 2012
12:27 pm

If a player in the NBA is worthy of being in the association, he plays early. If he doesn’t play right-away, he generally is a bench bumb. How many players can you guys name that sat and sat w/o getting floortime early in their career that turned into a good player?

Astro Joe

December 10th, 2012
12:28 pm

Sam Squirrel, check out all of the first round draft picks after #20 who aren;t currently playing (many on some teams with a worse record than the Hawks). Are those guys going to be out of the league next season, too?

Astro Joe

December 10th, 2012
12:32 pm

Sam Squirrel. JEFF TEAGUE comes to mind.

I don’t have the energy to check how many guys who didn’t get time in the first 20 games of their rookie season managed to be more than a back of the bench player. I suspect that guys drafted in the 20s generally don’t get much playing time in the first 20-40 games of their career. Hard to be drafted in the bottom third of the draft to a team that is among the better thrid in the league and get major playing time.

wordsmithtom

December 10th, 2012
12:35 pm

AJ, I watched JJ2 play college ball. He can create separation and get up shots against taller opponents. You can’t teach that. He’s a natural shooter. You can teach positioning, footwork, and teamwork. These things are at a much higher level with the Hawks, than with the D-League team. That’s all I’m saying. If he is as smart as I think he is, he knows he belongs here instead of with the D-Leaguers. He also knows if he keeps watching and working, he will get his chance. Late first rounders on winning teams rarely play very much. Witness the Lakers. When have you seen one of their first rounders get many minutes? John Jenkins, if smart, and I think he is, will keep working during practice and watching from his bench seat. There is much to learn from that spot if one stays alert.

NORRIS CHUCK

December 10th, 2012
12:38 pm

To Chris Vivlamore,

Just wondering, do you see the Hawks adding to the roster or making any trades this season? From what i have seen is a more determined Al Horford and Josh (he still makes some ill-advised shots at times) and he needs to keep working on freethrows.

Zaza is in my opinion the cog in the lineup when it comes to toughness and hustle. Would like to see more Ivan and the perimeter game is hard to stop when they are on. But overall, ATL has a formidable front line!

Lou Williams and Teague are balling! Love Korver and Stevenson as well. Tolliver and Harris and Morrow are expendable in a trade in my opinion.

And whats up with Kenyon Martin? He’s looking for a team i think.

Samurai Squirrel

December 10th, 2012
12:41 pm

Teams have them hang around waiting for their potential to catch up with their talent. Most never have their talent catch up.

Atlanta Hawks late first round/second round picks and where they ended up-

- John Jenkins – D-League

- Mike Scott – D-League

- Jordan Crawford – not on the Hawks, scores for the last place Wizard who also have John Wall/Bradley Beal

- Keith Benson – out of the NBA

- Pape Sy – out of NBA

- Acie Law – out of NBA

- Solomon Jones – ????

- Salim Stoudemire – out of NBA

- Donta Smith – out of NBA

I MUS WRITE

December 10th, 2012
12:50 pm

Slim Jr its called ball control. Carolina kept Matt and the Offense on the sidelines for a large portion of the game. Cant get yards or points watching from the sidelines. carolina just dominated us …period… Hopefully they can put it behind themand crank it up for the G Men next sunday.

We need a solid performance from everybody tonight. This is a winnable game. LBJ will get his -he always does we need to keep the other guys in check….GO HAWKS

MattP

December 10th, 2012
12:55 pm

Samurai Squirrel,

You are saying one thing but bringing up facts about another thing. Just because the Hawks have been bad at drafting in the recent past doesn’t mean that first rounders that don’t play early are bench warmers for their NBA Careers.

High-sider

December 10th, 2012
12:58 pm

Buddy Grizzard,

Thank you,sir. I sincerely appreciate you “publishing” my article to Rep ATL. Wow!!!!

Un millon de gracias [Thanks a million].

I MUS WRITE

December 10th, 2012
1:00 pm

Kevin A -I was thinking the same thing -Its refreshinng to see guys share the ball and work together as a team, Supposedly we have less talent but I like this team over what we had the last few yrs. Its a thing of beauty to watch Korver move with out the ball, and git his shot off without a dribbling expidition. Ferry MUS resign this guy -Resign morrow too for the right prie LESS SHOTS MORE PRODUCTION….Dare I say this team is better off without Duk and Joe Cool…Hmmmm

Marcus =I woill be totally shocked to see JJenkins get su run tonight -That LD is a stubborn Mofo – But I cant bash him because we are winning ball games. Jenkins will light it up tonight….IN WARMUPS
Is it me or is IVAN the terrible a better overall player than our former #2 pick………What a shame i guess he really is bench material- He couldnt crack the starting line up over Gordon Haywood??? SMH

Slimjr

December 10th, 2012
1:19 pm

Its called excuses..A trait that’s has been exquisitely massaged and molded by these delusional fanatics for decades in these parts…lol!

Have we seen this line play B4?

Perhaps Vegas did get it right: Ranking the Fal-cons as the 7th best team in the NFL.

Up next: THE NEW YORK GIANTS who just put up 52 on the Saints! Ouch!