Atlanta Hawks: Korver out vs. Wizards and Grizzlies

Vivlamore reporting.

Kyle Korver, who is still dealing with back spasms after missing time for the birth of his daughter, will not play tonight against the Wizards. The shooting guard also will not travel with the team for Saturday’s game at the Grizzlies. He will remain in Atlanta for further treatment and workouts. There is a possibility Korver could join the team in Miami for Monday’s game against the Heat.

It was Korver, you will remember, who hit the game-winning 3-pointer against the Wizards last month.

In other news:

* Coach Larry Drew said he is undecided on the team’s starting lineup against the Wizards. Trevor Ariza is out with a strained left calf for the Wizards and Drew is waiting to get an idea of their lineup before making his final decision. “I don’t know if they will go smaller at the 3 or if they will go with a bigger lineup.”

* Drew is still stressing rebounding energy for his team against the Wizards.

* “We have to carry the same mental aspect that we did against the Denver that got us mentally prepared for the offensive rebounding of the Nuggets,” Josh Smith said of the need to be better on the glass against the Wizards. “We just have to have a carry-over affect because this is a big team too. We have to make a conscious effort of team rebounding.”

* Tonight’s game ends a stretch of seven out of eight games at home for the Hawks. After playing the Grizzlies Saturday they will have played three games in four nights. That trend begins again on Monday at the Heat followed by a travel day, a game at the Magic on Wednesday and a home game against the Bobcats on Thursday.

* After the Hawks play at the Wizards on Dec. 18, they will have played division opponents the Bobcats and the Wizards three times each (two at home, one on the road) in the first two months of the season. The travel to both Charlotte and Washington in January, meaning the four-game season series against the teams will by over with three months remaining.

- Chris Vivlamore

62 comments Add your comment

ag

December 7th, 2012
1:55 pm

first again….

Astro Joe

December 7th, 2012
1:58 pm

Wow, what a weak division with Charlotte, Washington & Orlando. YUCK!

Amazing to see how many head coaches refuse to develop their young players. A slew of teams are sending rookies to the D-League, which according to some around here, is a sign that the head coach simply refuses to spend time developing those players. That is a curious opinion since the Spurs have been one of the main teams that utilize the D League. But oh well, some guys just look for an angle to b!tch about LD.

JJ2 returns to provide wing depth while Korver recovers but won’t likely get time ahead of DeShawn, Morrow, LouWill and Josh (across the SF & SG spots). Let’s hope for a 25 point lead early in the 4th quarter so we can see JJ2 play extended minutes.

ag

December 7th, 2012
1:58 pm

C Viv, if you get a chance, ask LD about starting Ivan with Josh and Horford.

MsDee

December 7th, 2012
2:02 pm

FTPB

Astro Joe

“I’d trade any Hawk for the right long-term asset”

Why would u NOT think Horford is a long-term asset? He IS a great piece of what the Hawks are trying to build in this organization. If Howard chooses to leave LA to return back home to the A, we would be RIGHT where Ferry wanted this team to be and thats a chance to win a championship! Howard would THEN be back in the same situation he was in when Orlando went to the finals. He will get his necessary touches around the basket with both Josh and Horford being excellent passers while having multiple shooters around him for kickouts. If Howard wants a ring as bad as he say he does, he should REALLY look at ALL angles b4 making a long term decision to ANY team for that matter. Making the most money with the Lakers SHOULD NOT be an option!! With Dallas being an ideal place due to its cap space also, would he be surrounded by YOUNG, INJURED FREE players, being in the same situation he had last time he went to the finals WITH HIM AND ONLY HIM BEING THE MAIN FOCUS?? NO, HE WOULDNT!! In Dallas, it will STILL be Dirk’s team, but then again, Dirk is aging with injuries..sounding more like his present situation with Steve Nash. I cant see Dwight wanting to go BACK to that situation again.

Im pretty sure some may say it would be difficult to sign Dwight & Josh while keeping Horford. I say, ITS POSSIBLE IF AND ONLY IF WE COULD HAVE A LEGITIMATE CHANCE OF GOING ALL THE WAY!! With so many great shooters on our team with expiring contracts after this season, I cant see them NOT taking a pay cut to be on a winning team (case in point Ray Allen leaving Boston for the Champs with a pay cut). As we ALL have seen so far this season, Josh ISNT worth MAX dollars so it could be VERY possible that Ferry would offer Josh a resonable contract to remain with his hometown team..trust we folks, ITS POSSIBLE!!

ag

December 7th, 2012
2:15 pm

Yes, we have not blown out anybody, always close games. It will be good to get a 25 point lead and hold on to it.

ag

December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm

Ms Dee = Al Horford “BOSS” Fan Club

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
2:16 pm

“@Rod from College Park

Actually, Al is not the highest paid player on the team. Josh is.”

Incorrect. Josh is making more this year because it’s the last year of his contract, but in the NBA salaries are guaranteed. Josh deal was 5years, 58 million, and Horford’s deal is 5 years 60 million, so as I said, Horford is the highest paid player on the team, so we should expect the most from him. Josh has already earned every dime of that 58 million. Horford still has work to do.

ag

December 7th, 2012
2:18 pm

LBJ and Chris Bosh took less money to go to Miami. If this LA situation still stays this way, don’t see why he would stay. Fans in LA are going to blame D12 for their demise. Can’t blame them because they were winning with Bynum.

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
2:21 pm

“He IS a great piece of what the Hawks are trying to build in this organization.”

He is a Good piece, not a great one. Nobody on this team is a great piece. 16 and 9 is not great. It’s above average, but it ain’t great.

ag

December 7th, 2012
2:24 pm

Some free agents for 2013
PG’s
Chris Paul
Brandon Jennings
Tyreke Evans

SG
Andre Igudala
Monta Ellis
Manu Ginobili
Kevin Martin

SF
Paul Pierce
Andrei Kirlenko

PF
David West
Paul Millsap
Elton Brand

C
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bynum
Al Jefferson
Nikola Pekovic

Astro Joe

December 7th, 2012
2:29 pm

ag, OJ Mayo has an opt-out clause that he is almost certain to use this summer. He is currently on a below-market value contract with the Mavs and will surely look to sign a long-term deal in the summer. He is a guy I would keep an eye on. Even if he doesn’t have known connections to Atlanta (and therefore is among the best players in the NBA simply because of where his mother lived when he was born).

MsDee

December 7th, 2012
2:33 pm

Well O-K Rod from CP

“He is a Good piece, not a great one.”

Great piece, Good piece..with Dwight on the team…WHO CARES!!!

MsDee

December 7th, 2012
2:33 pm

Well O-K Rod from CP

“He is a Good piece, not a great one.”

Great piece, Good piece..with Dwight on the team…WHO CARES!!!

ag

December 7th, 2012
2:42 pm

D12, Horford, Smith, Korver, Teague… man that will be a TOUGH team to beat. The Phillips will be sold out EVERY GAME…. The bench would be pretty bad as we would need rid ourselves a lot of contracts.

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
2:43 pm

Jody

December 7th, 2012
2:44 pm

@Rod
True, Horford got a slightly bigger deal overall. But, that doesn’t change the fact that THIS season (which is what people are focused on), Josh is the highest paid. It’s cool, I know you’re a Josh fan. And lol at saying Al has work to do (two time All-Star, all NBA), while saying Josh has “earned every dime of that 58 million”. Are you suggesting Josh was deserving of his deal, but Al some how wasn’t or hasn’t proved his worth yet? Lol.

Astro Joe

December 7th, 2012
2:49 pm

Jody, Al received a contract that is 3% higher than Josh’s deal. So he should deliver at least 3% better results, I guess. 3 pennies mean a lot to some people.

Slimjr

December 7th, 2012
2:52 pm

Korver will be sorely missed for the Memphis and Miami game, big time!

Josh will have his hands full guarding Rudy Gay..That will be a very interesting match up assuming Larry Drew plays big Saturday night!

hfc95

December 7th, 2012
3:00 pm

I don’t know if I’m not seeing the picture or if some of you aren’t…

About us having no true SF or backup C, we have played great with unorthodox lineups so far, no SF defensive specialist so far has us 3rd in the east. Yes we played weak teams but we have won those games and thats what counts. I am really wanting a backup C in case ZaZa or AL gets sidelined a few weeks we will need to plug some minutes there but we can trade one of our many contracts to fill that need if it arises.

What I do see is a 3rd place team currently and we will more than likely be a 3-5 seed and make the playoffs, why not do something in the playoffs while we are there? whats more beneficial? go to the playoffs sit on our two 1st rd picks and select guys that will not see the court for a few years or have a guy of josh smith caliber(aka all-star player but never selected in Monta Ellis) and all we have to do is trade a PG playing SG in Devin Harris and a mid/late 1st for a career 20+ppg scorer in Monta? If you are worried more about PT for John Jenkins than gettting to the second round or even dare i say the ECF you don’t seem to process oppurtunity to well. Some of you would be happier to get jenkins 10 mins a game than make a serious playoff push??

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
3:04 pm

“True, Horford got a slightly bigger deal overall. But, that doesn’t change the fact that THIS season (which is what people are focused on), Josh is the highest paid. It’s cool, I know you’re a Josh fan. And lol at saying Al has work to do (two time All-Star, all NBA), while saying Josh has “earned every dime of that 58 million”. Are you suggesting Josh was deserving of his deal, but Al some how wasn’t or hasn’t proved his worth yet? Lol.”

I never specieifed this year, you did. My statement was that Al is the highest paid player on the team. Which he is. You chose to try to correct me for whatever reason, and you were incorrect. When dealing in guaranteed contracts you look at the terms. Teams can structure contracts many ways but the bottom line is Al will make 60 in 5 years, and Josh made 58. If you want to compare salaries, compare what Horford will make in year 5 to what Josh is making in year 5. In every math class I took 60>58. Horford still has work to do because he is at the beginning of the contract. Josh is at the end. If Josh were to not play another game for the Hawks, he has already met his expectaions for that deal. Horford was out all of last year, and has played a couple of games this year under his new contract. He still has to earn his money (not literally) because he will get his money regardless, but he needs to play like he is the man on this team night in and night out.

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
3:07 pm

“Jody, Al received a contract that is 3% higher than Josh’s deal. So he should deliver at least 3% better results, I guess. 3 pennies mean a lot to some people.”

Actually 3% of 60 mil is right around 2 mil. Probably more than you have made in your lifetime, so chump change it is not. LOL

Section 303

December 7th, 2012
3:09 pm

Tonight’s game is very similar to last Friday night’s game against the Cavs. The Wizards (should be Bullets!) are better than their record. The Hawks should win, but they will have to earn it.

Hawks were terrific on Wednesday. We’ll see if they can match the urgency they played with against Denver.

Would be great to get an easy win tonight (I do not see that happening) and rest guys for the game with Memphis tomorrow night. Because I’m a fan and not a player, I’m totally looking ahead to tomorrow’s game. That will be a fun one!

Section 303

December 7th, 2012
3:13 pm

Rod from College Park, those are some interesting pictures of Josh’s party. I’m sure my invite must have been lost in the mail! I hate those big glasses. Might be the dumbest fashion trend of all time.

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
3:15 pm

“Great piece, Good piece..with Dwight on the team…WHO CARES!!!”

Obviosly MsDee your definition of great and good are different from mine.

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
3:17 pm

“I hate those big glasses. Might be the dumbest fashion trend of all time.”

We agree.

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
3:19 pm

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
3:21 pm

Slim Jr.

Shaq vs Dwight 12 games since 2004

Dwight Howard: 16.5pts, 10.9 rebounds, 35 minutes per game, 54%FG
Shaq O’neal: 15.7 pts, 6.4 rebounds, 28.9 minutes per game, 62%FG

Hmmm………

Astro Joe

December 7th, 2012
3:33 pm

Actually 3% of 60 mil is right around 2 mil.

Hmm, I wonder if that is how I calculated the 3% difference between a $60M contract and a $58M contract? Dang, you’re smart. I bet you didn’t even have to use your toes to do the math.

Buddy Grizzard

December 7th, 2012
3:35 pm

“If we had Nikola Pekovic and D. Williams, please set up the starters and reserves.”

I think you start Pekovic and move Zaza back to reserve center. With Horford playing some minutes at center and Ivan available for spot minutes, we have Utah-style front court depth.

Then Horford is your starting PF with Ivan, Williams and Tolliver backing him up. Josh will also play minutes at PF (Tolliver probably never sees the floor again).

I’m convinced that Josh can be the small forward this team needs. Williams, Stevenson and Korver would back him up. Then obviously our guard rotation is set. Without the need to start Korver or Stevenson at small forward, suddenly the back court has a lot more depth.

Slimjr I was down on Felton after the terrible year he had last year but man is he shutting up a lot of haters right now. His game is doing all the talking.

cp

December 7th, 2012
3:38 pm

I want to see a better defensive effort from Teague. He has been terrible defensively the past few games. I know LD gets a lot of blame when it comes to Teague but you cant blame him for the lackadaisical effort Teague has put forth defensively recently. Dude needs to get after it on the defensive end starting tonight.

Just Joe

December 7th, 2012
3:40 pm

So within 6 months Ferry would have basically traded Marvin Williams & a 2nd rd pick for Derrick Williams & Nikola Pekovic???

He would definitely deserve GM of the year if that trade happens.

The Truth

December 7th, 2012
3:47 pm

“or have a guy of josh smith caliber(aka all-star player but never selected in Monta Ellis) and all we have to do is trade a PG playing SG in Devin Harris and a mid/late 1st for a career 20+ppg scorer in Monta? If you are worried more about PT for John Jenkins than gettting to the second round or even dare i say the ECF you don’t seem to process oppurtunity to well.” – htc95

While Ellis maybe an upgrade shooter from Devin who is really a PG playing out of position @SG, it would come at an expense the negatively impact the team. His 20 ppg scoring on the surface seem impressive, but his FG% of 39% and 21% 3-ball this season is not. That performance would amount to Ellis taking 50 shots to score 20 points per game. Or if he felt like mixing that up with his poor 3-pt shooting (@30% 3-ball and 70% inside the arc), that would amount to Ellis taking nearly 65 shoots to score 20 pts., this while his teammates stands around a watch him.

If you called this opportunity in replacing one hog baller (JJ) for another in Monta, than I’ll pass. It certainly will not get the Hawks closer to the 2nd rd or beyond.

Just Joe

December 7th, 2012
3:55 pm

agreeing with cp….I think the Hawks’ next big step (as long as LD is in control) will have to come from consistent PG play. Teague is still young and has the “2 good games followed by 1 bad game” thing going on.

At this point, who here would offer Teague a new 4-year $34M contract? Would Teague take that kind of deal?

The Truth

December 7th, 2012
3:59 pm

“65 shots”

cp

December 7th, 2012
4:14 pm

At this point I think Teague gets like 7 mill a year or somewhere in that range.

drmaryb .(""_ ^).

December 7th, 2012
4:18 pm

I want to see Kyle win in the WORST way!

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2012
4:33 pm

The Truth,

While a agree with your statement about Monte Ellis somewhat, never try to take what a guy does on one team and equate it to another team, especially the Hawks. The NBA is a league of athletes and systems. Some guys fit better in different systems. Monte Ellis is not my choice simply because of his size, but he is the exact type of player and mentality that we need. We have a team full of passive guys, except Josh (and we know what that turns into Long jumpshots) none of which can create shots except Lou Williams. We actually need an aggressive score first wing or 2 who can score consistently. Joe Johnson is no Monte Ellis in terms of scoring. The problem I have with Monte Ellis is you already have a poor man’s version of him in Lou Williams. They are virtually the same guy, with Monte being better. Monte has never played on a team with guys like Josh and Al, so no telling what he would do in this jumpshot system.

hfc95

December 7th, 2012
4:35 pm

The Truth,

I see what you are saying but Monta has played on the worst teams his whole career and if he were to come into ATL with a fresh start on a playoff team he would be more selective with his shots. Monta is not a 3pt guy, his game is to break you down and get into the lane and finish or with our shooters find an open man. Monta also has more free throw attempts than Jeff Teague, Devin Harris, Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow and Ivan Johnson combined. Idk if you read the grantland article yesterday but this years team is on pace to be the worst team in NBA HISTORY to get to the line in a season, we desperatley need a foul magnet and monta is that.

My main argument is this, we have devin harris starting with about 9.8 ppg, we (i think) could trade him and a 1st(which as we all have seen, does not mean anything for the hawks) for a guy that has the ability to score 20ppg and provide a lot more firepower to this underrated team already. I would willingly give up a late 1st for a guy that can possibly effect our playoff run currently.

Samurai Squirrel

December 7th, 2012
4:43 pm

Monte Ellis is another small shooting guard. I would love to get Tyreke Evans to play shooting guard. Loved the kid coming out of Memphis. He is a terrible shooter, but I like his ability to drive to the basket and possibly get fouled. We have all the shooters we need, now we just need a cutter.

Just Joe

December 7th, 2012
4:49 pm

hfc95…why trade a valuable asset (Harris’s $8.5M expiring contract) & a 1st rd pick for a guy that would love to sign here as a free agent this summer? If he’s our guy, can’t we just keep our draft pick, maybe trade Harris for another pick, and sign Ellis this summer?

Samurai Squirrel

December 7th, 2012
4:51 pm

*To me, Lou Williams is more of a shooter than a cut-to-the-basket kinda player

Samurai Squirrel

December 7th, 2012
4:55 pm

Tyreke Evans is 6′6″, can guard larger shooting guards, and would also help rebound.

Samurai Squirrel

December 7th, 2012
4:57 pm

Just Joe, how do you know that Ellis would “love to sign here as a free agent”?

hfc95

December 7th, 2012
4:59 pm

Just Joe,

I dont want to wait to see what the open market dictates during the summer, guys may re-sign and maybe the potential big names are locked in and the market shrinks and we have to pay monta like $14M or something more than what he is worth to obtain him, i mean look at AK47 getting $10M. If we got monta now i believe he would pick up his option and we would save a couple mill on that as oppose to playing the bidding game this summer with many other suitors.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 7th, 2012
5:06 pm

We need to find a way to get rid of Petro. Dude is getting paid 3 million to dress out.

Sautee

December 7th, 2012
5:30 pm

Is tonight’s game televised?

J.J.M.

December 7th, 2012
5:35 pm

comcast chanel 763

Just Joe

December 7th, 2012
5:36 pm

SS…why would Monta not want to sign with Atlanta as a free agent (assuming we wanted him)?

He knows the area. He knows our players. We’re a playoff team every year. We have money to spend.

Sautee

December 7th, 2012
5:42 pm

JJM,

Thanks, but I have Directv

JOE

December 7th, 2012
5:48 pm

The Hawks have what they need.It’s up to them to do it.Attitude is every thing,Why is it some day’s Jeff play great and others not.That go’s to say money won’t fix it.Talent + Attitude + wins= championships.