Atlanta Hawks: Rebounding has been an issue

Vivlamore reporting from Hawks practice.

The Hawks are looking to rebound – literally – from their last loss.

The Nuggets, the NBA’s top offensive rebounding team, will be at Philips Arena Wednesday. The Hawks had a six-game win streak snapped by the Cavaliers, featuring the league’s top rebounder Anderson Varejao, Friday.

The Hawks (9-5) have been outrebounded in eight games this season, including by a 49-28 margin against the Cavaliers. They are 28th in the NBA in rebounding average (39.4), with only the Heat and Celtics worse. They are also 29th in rebounding differential (minus 4.1). The Nuggets (9-9) are tops in offensive rebounds per game (15.4) and second overall in total rebounds (46.7).

“They are relentless going to the glass,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said of the Nuggets following Tuesday’s practice. “We are going to have to be good … as far as our ability to keep them off the boards. The perimeters are going to have to do their jobs as well. It’s going to be a game where if we don’t do a good job on the glass then we could be in for a long night.”

Injury report

Kyle Korver, who has been out with back spasms, did not practice Tuesday. The guard has not been able to practice since leaving in the third quarter against the Bobcats last week. He missed the game against the Cavaliers.

DeShawn Stevenson was forced to leave Tuesday’s practice after taking an elbow to the head. He continued to participate but left after complaining of a headache.

The Hawks were left with 10 players to finish the workout with rookies John Jenkins and Mike Scott sent to the NBA Development League over the weekend.

Back to defensive basics

Drew called the defensive execution against the Cavaliers the team’s worst all season. Following Monday’s practice, the coaching staff held a film session to illustrate the issues.

“In watching the film yesterday, they saw exactly what I was talking about,” Drew said. “It wasn’t a situation where they could dispute anything. It was staring them right in the face. We had some really good dialog about how we played and now we are ready to move on.”

Morrow adjusting

Anthony Morrow has had an up-and-down season when it comes to playing time. The guard has a single-game high of 25 minutes while also not playing at all in two games. Morrow is averaging 5.7 points in 12.4 minutes. He leads the team in 3-point field goal percentage (.533) despite not having plays run for him.

“It’s tough but I’ve been in that situation before,” Morrow said. “It just hasn’t been for a few years. Whatever my role has to be for this team, I want to do it well. If it’s coming off the bench, getting a steal or two, having a big possession offensively, even make free throws at the end of the game. No matter what it is, as long as we win. … I’ll continue to work my butt off and whatever opportunity arises, it arises.”

- Chris Vivlamore

81 comments Add your comment

DB

December 4th, 2012
4:18 pm

DB

December 4th, 2012
4:22 pm

Seriously Guys I think this club is one “big” move away from being in elite status in the east. They run well and can defend. The obvious glaring weakness is rebounding. Ive seen on these blogs where people lobby for ZaZa to start. Who is gonna spell zaza at the 5 when he gets in foul trouble? See the dillema? While ZaZa may deserve to start he is best suited coming off of the bench while we should try to acquire a front line 5 because smoove has developed his game as if he is suiting himself to play the 3. Ive watched the hawks for many seasons. Lets not get too excited (good or bad) just yet. and guys….Lay off of Larry Drew a little. We could have a worse

Supreme Grand Poobah

December 4th, 2012
4:26 pm

You know, I just had an idea. LA did well during the interim coaching of Bernie Bickerstaff. Now he’s back to an assistant coach. I bet he could do a good job in the ATL.

Jamaaliver

December 4th, 2012
4:41 pm

Morrow leads the team in 3-pt shooting on a team that loves to shoot the three…but can’t get any consistent PT.

With Korver out and Jenkins gone, hope he finally gets 20+ mpg. He’s proven he can produce. He’s earned it.

Rod from College Park

December 4th, 2012
4:58 pm

“The one difference is that Howard is more agile making him a better rebounder. Howard has a slight edge in the facets of the game where he is better while Shaq is far better in other areas. When all is said and done, Howard won’t be mentioned as a top 5 center since ~1980.”

All is not said and done, so your point is speculation. If Howard stays in LA and wins 5 championships,he might be considered a top 5 center. Howard is more agile which makes him a better rebounder, man to man defender and a better help defender. His shot blocking skills are better than Shaq’s were. Shaq is at 2,732 blocked shots in 21 years in the league, while Dwight Howard is at 1,389 with 9 years in the league. You do the math.

2 FOR JOHN DREW

December 4th, 2012
4:58 pm

2 FOR JOHN DREW

December 4th, 2012
2:47 pm

Hey DrMaryB ….. Good to see you back …. We need all the positive vibers we can get, lol …. Quite an impressive list there …. most of my favs on there ….. I don’t feel real bad not making the list, since I don’t blog too often ….. But I want you to know this blog is ” required reading ” for me daily ….. and you’re on my list …. GO HAWKS & take us all w/ you.

Bertie

December 4th, 2012
5:01 pm

Agree with BD, this team can go far this year if they add a good rebounder. The next opponent has an excess of good rebounders some that hardly play because there is not enough minutes to go around in that team. Mozgov is an example of a big body/decent rebounder on an expiring contract that maybe Ferry can acquire. Would a draft pick (2nd or 1st) and matching salary be enough to entice Denver?. He can either start or take Zaza’s spot in the bench. Al should not be our everyday center, it takes away from his offense and the team gets kill on the boards against big teams. He could even wear down as the season goes along. Three games come to mind that the Hawks could have easily won with slightly better rebounding, Houston, Golden State and now Cleveland.

Rusty

December 4th, 2012
5:37 pm

Two things would improve the rebounding,one keep josh under the boards on offense & defense & the other is to give Ivan more minutes,this is not rocket science .good to have you back Dr MaryB .

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
5:45 pm

With Denver we should start with a Big lineup, with Josh at SF to shup Belinelli off. Every time Belinelli goes to bench we can revert to a small lineup, and so on…

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
5:46 pm

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
5:54 pm

I do not worry about Denver’s PF and C, they are not a threat to Hawks. The only real threat for us is Iguodala…

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
5:59 pm

There should be Gallinary in the post at 5:45.

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
6:06 pm

Enter your comments here

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
6:07 pm

If LD can solve the Iguodala problem (at least not allowing him to our paint) we should win this game.

keith

December 4th, 2012
6:30 pm

Great Article. Rebounding is a lot about attitude. Hence, Ivan Johnson(IMO), should get 25-30 minutes per game, as well as the final 6 minutes of all games. I have a feeling that the more he plays, the better the team will play. Especially on the “glass”. I WISH SOMEONE COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY IVAN PLAYS LESS THAN 20 MINUTES PER NIGHT. I JUST DON’T GET IT.

keith

December 4th, 2012
6:35 pm

How about this line-up against Denver; Thinking outside the BOX a little???

PG-Jeff Teague
SG-Josh Smith
SF-Ivan Johnson
PF-Al Horford
C-Zsa Zsa Pachulia

How does that line-up taste????????

alex

December 4th, 2012
6:44 pm

rebounding also about big men playing like in Brooklyn, NY, Houston,, exc. this team to small. i hope ferry understand this he is basketball man, i am not but it’ clear.

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
7:06 pm

keith,
you do not have a SG in your lineup. Also Johnson & Tolliver (unfortunately) are needed for the rotation at PF/SF/C. Are our guards said to be QUICK? Then why they cannot stay between their opposition and the paint (as Grandad was reasonably asking before)? Let the opposing guards (including Iguodala) settle for jumpers, this could be done if our guards are quick as claimed on multiple occasions…

The Truth

December 4th, 2012
7:08 pm

“They are relentless going to the glass,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said of the Nuggets following Tuesday’s practice. “We are going to have to be good … as far as our ability to keep them off the boards. – LD

LD thinks he can just (for one game) preach rebounding to his team that is ranked 28th out of 30 teams and instantly become “good”. That is called “lip service” but it qualifies him to use his own quoted talking points if they should lose in this fashion. In his post-game press conference he would just say “I told my team before the game BAH BAH BAH …”

He didn’t get the memo that for these Hawks to defend and rebound at the next level they need to acquire players with size that inherently possess those skill sets. Rebounding and playing good defense are more than a mindset and energy as LD often suggest; it must also be in the players’ DNA. This flawed roster will unfortunately always come up short (literally and figuratively) in these areas because of the roster makeup regardless of what LD preaches.

O'Brien

December 4th, 2012
7:12 pm

I think rebounding comes down to focus and effort. And the Hawks struggle in that area. Guards need to step up their rebounding.

AJ,

If Damion James was averaging 10 rebs per game in the D-league, would you say the Hawks should bring him back?

SuckerFree

December 4th, 2012
7:42 pm

put Zaza and Ivan in the game I guarantee the fortunes change as it regards to rebounding.

Melvin

December 4th, 2012
9:20 pm

LOL, Lebron just push Jordan Crawford down and walk away as if he could careless if he was hurt… Talking about holding grudges…. #DunkGate

Melvin

December 4th, 2012
9:24 pm

The New Orleans Pelicans? Man, keep the Hornets as your nickname…

Jae Evolution

December 4th, 2012
9:26 pm

Miami loses to Washington…

Melvin

December 4th, 2012
9:29 pm

Heat lose to the Wizards. See, every teams has at least one let down lost not just the Hawks.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

December 4th, 2012
9:39 pm

Melvin

December 4th, 2012
9:44 pm

I think the Hawks should pursue Howard this summer. It doesn’t matter if he’s better than Shaq, he’s clearly the best big man in the game TODAY. When you have a chance to acquire a talent like that, than you do so. If they fail to sign Howard, I would like to see to go after Oden. He’s a high reward with a low risk factor. Assuming that the Hawks could sign him for a short contract (2yrs with team opt) for a reasonable salary (7-8 mil max), they still will have enough money to pursue an elite wing player (Rudy Gay)…

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

December 4th, 2012
9:47 pm

Jordan Crawford

Jae Evolution

December 4th, 2012
10:25 pm

Turn on the Lakers game right now Melvin, the guy is only viable for 3 quarters in the fourth he is absolutely a martyr.

Jae Evolution

December 4th, 2012
10:26 pm

He’s going to end up costing them another game.

Melvin

December 4th, 2012
10:37 pm

If anyone watched the ending of the Nets/OKC and Rockets/Lakers games, you could clearly see the difference between Harden and Joe Johnson. Neither guy shot the ball well over the course of the game but in crunch time Johnson was unable to make plays or get his shot off against double teams. Whereas, Harden made several assist, free throws and a key rebound. Harden played without Lin in crunch time whereas Joe played next to Deron Williams. Rockets win, Nets lost…. Both guys have max contracts but I will take Harden over Joe any day…

terrell

December 4th, 2012
10:43 pm

Rebounding an issue? LMAO! Why does it take Uncle Larry so long to figure out something?

Melvin

December 4th, 2012
10:44 pm

Jae,

Houston coach should have took Howard out for a few mins. At least until the last 3 mins where Houston would have only 1 min to use the Hack-a-Howard. That would have made a difference in strategic. Everyone knows Howard struggles at the line, why continue to let him get foul and watch him continue to struggle at the line? Coaching lost that game. It’s on the coach to put his team in the best position to win. Lakers coach didn’t do that. That’s why the Lakers lost…

Buddy Grizzard

December 4th, 2012
10:54 pm

“It wasn’t a situation where they could dispute anything. It was staring them right in the face.”

Good stuff LD!

keith

December 4th, 2012
10:58 pm

Sameba
December 4th, 2012
7:06 pm

Josh is our version of Stacy Augmon. He can defend some 2 guards in this league. He would be a match-up problem as well….

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:01 pm

keith:

I have no doubt that Josh can defend the 2 position. However, don’t we need a shooter for the offence? As well, we will not have a rotation guys for our frontcourt…

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:07 pm

Damion James is playing well today – above the rim!

Joey T

December 4th, 2012
11:21 pm

He’s complaining about lack of rebounding… yet continues with his small lineup with Devin and Deshawn getting heavy minutes, while not playing his two best rebounders (Zaza and Ivan). What’s missing here?

glw

December 4th, 2012
11:38 pm

@Sameba

Yeah James snatching rebounds like they belong to him. And Jenkins is such a smooth scorer. He keeps scoring like this, might push Ferry to trade somebody to get him some minutes.

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:45 pm

glw:

Yeah James snatching rebounds like they belong to him. And Jenkins is such a smooth scorer. He keeps scoring like this, might push Ferry to trade somebody to get him some minutes.
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And what I like most from today’s game, it is Jenkins’ defense – it has improved quite abit in this aspect…

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:46 pm

^he has improved…

Najeh Davenpoop

December 4th, 2012
11:51 pm

Dwight may be a slightly better defender and rebounder than Shaq (debatable but I can see the argument). But what is not debatable is that Shaq was MILES ahead of Dwight as an offensive player. It’s not even close. Shaq had enough touch and moves around the basket that if you got him the ball within 5 feet of the hoop, scoring was automatic. Dwight’s best move is that running baby hook which isn’t anywhere near as reliable as Shaq’s drop step was. I’d also take Shaq’s passing ability over Dwight.

Of course with all that said I’d take Dwight in a Hawks uniform in a heartbeat.

glw

December 4th, 2012
11:51 pm

And DJames shooting the long ball well too. But still dont see him coming back here though.

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:53 pm

And Damion is 3 of 7 for 3-pts…

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:55 pm

Damion does not play a very good man-to man defence…

Najeh Davenpoop

December 4th, 2012
11:55 pm

“The New Orleans Pelicans? Man, keep the Hornets as your nickname…”

Haha. Strange choice, but Hornets and Bobcats are not that much better in my opinion. At least they didn’t call themselves the Hurricanes.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 4th, 2012
11:58 pm

One other thing about Shaq — he took five more shots per game over his career and yet turned the ball over less than Dwight. Dwight is a turnover machine. Shaq had pretty outstanding ball skills for a guy that size.

Sameba

December 4th, 2012
11:59 pm

Jenkins started missing 3-pointers, looks mich like a small version of KK… ;-)

Najeh Davenpoop

December 5th, 2012
12:00 am

FTPB

“don’t ask silly questions about the compatibility of those two on the offensive end. We’re supposed to ignore those types of details and focus on the “social perks” of bringing D12 back. It will be the head coach’s fault for not figuring out how to win championships with those two combining for 35+ FGAs. Surely, opposing defenses will sumply allow the PG to simply lob the ball everytime down the floor, right? Isn’t that why the Clippers made it to the Finals last year? Lob City.”

If all you think Josh and Dwight can do is jump you must not be watching much. For all the reasons Shaq is better than Dwight, it’s not like Dwight is DeAndre Jordan. The only problem with playing Josh and Dwight together is that making free throws at the end of games would be a nightmare. Other than that they would be fine together.

Big Ray

December 5th, 2012
12:08 am

All is not said and done, so your point is speculation. If Howard stays in LA and wins 5 championships,he might be considered a top 5 center.

If that’s the case, then somebody reset the records. Bill Wennington, James Edwards, Bill Cartwright, and Luc Longley deserve some love….

Let’s be honest here. Dwight is never going to have the impact Shaq did. Maybe he’ll be good enough to “help” Kobe win another ring or two. Maybe not. Dwight has not dominated the way Shaq did. As Najeh stated, the offense just isn’t there.

True, we’ve yet to see him play with another bonafide superstar. Shaq brought rings to L.A. and Miami. Dwight isn’t going to bring a ring to L.A. Last I looked, they were able to win one with Bynum’s gimpy and disinterested a$$.

Shaq = HOFer. Dwight = somebody who would have gotten his lunch eaten on a daily basis if he’d have to deal with Mourning, Ewing, Olajuwon, etc. Not to mention Shaq in his prime. OH, that would have been ugly.

But yeah…considering how things are these days, Dwight would look good in a Hawks uni. We’d just have to get another star in the fold. Somebody who was an absolute stud at the 1, 2, or 3.