Atlanta Hawks: Rookies Jenkins, Scott assigned to D-League
Vivlamore reporting.
The Hawks assigned rookies John Jenkins and Mike Scott to the NBA Development League Saturday. They will play with the Bakersfield (Calif.) Jam, the Hawks’ D-League affiliate.
The length of the stay has yet to be determined but it’s very possible they won’t be gone for an extended period of time.
The Hawks do not play again until Wednesday and players are off Saturday and Sunday. The move gives the rookies an opportunity to play, something they have done only on a limited basis this season. Jenkins, the Hawks’ first-round pick (No. 23 overall) has appeared in four games this season and has six points (2-of-7 shooting) in 13 minutes. Scott, the second-round pick (No. 43 overall) has appeared in five games and has two points (1-of-6 shooting) in 16 minutes.
According to a new rule this season, first- and second-year players can have unlimited assignments to the D-League. The prior rule only allowed for a player to be assigned to the league three times.
The Jam serves as the affiliate for the Hawks, Clippers, Suns and Raptors. Rookie Kendall Marshall of the Suns, out of North Carolina, is playing point guard for the Jam after his assignment on Thursday. Damion James and Isma’il Muhammad, who were both in Hawks training camp, are also on the team.
The Jam (2-1) next play on Monday (vs. Santa Cruz) and Tuesday (vs. Los Angeles).
- Chris Vivlamore
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cdog
December 1st, 2012
12:38 pm
just shows you about larry drews lack of not knowing his players. i agree with scott going to the d-league but john jennings should be playing behind kyle korver.the kid can shoot just like korver or better plus he can defend better without a doubt.i hate the hawks drafted him. with any other team, he would be playing but with drews buddy system, hes trapped on the bench.friday game hopefully showed drews inability to coach and control josh smith as well as danny ferry’s need to trade for a post player who can rebound and block shots.za za pachulia is not the answer. he will lose more games for you than he will win.
tjhook
December 1st, 2012
1:01 pm
Al Horford to the Lakers for Pau Gasol. Submit others to balance it out financially. Gasol 19 mil, Horford 12 mil.
Jody
December 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
Yeah we really need Gasol and the tendonitis in BOTH his knees. Smh.
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:21 pm
If we cannot trade our center and power forward, we need to sign them the Developmental League. If we continue to lose to “scrub teams” like the Cleveland Cavaliers, without their best player, more changes need to be made. John Jenkins should be in our bench rotation, PERIOD!!!
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:24 pm
Would be a great move for the Atlanta Hawks. Pau Gasol to the Hawks for Al Horford and Devin Harris!!!
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
cdog
December 1st, 2012
12:38 pm
tjhook
December 1st, 2012
1:01 pm
2 GREAT POSTS!!! OUTSTANDING IDEAS!!! TIME FOR THIS FRANCHISE TO MOVE FORWARD!!!
Section 303
December 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
cdog, you do realize that someone would have to sit in order for Jenkins to play, right? Who are you sitting, so Jenkins gets on the floor.
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:45 pm
CHRIS VIVLAMORE———Who’s has the authority to send players to the D-League in an organization?
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:47 pm
Devin Harris will not be back with the Atlanta
Section 303
December 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
Why the Gasol love? If that trade is made, and I hope it isn’t, the Hawks are not going to trade Horford for that to happen. Never. So, just stop.
I actually get annoyed that everyone (NBA writers) seem to think that the Hawks will just hand over Josh Smith for Gasol. No way. From reports Ferry won’t make that move. Smith is the better player….Horford is better, too. If the Lakers want either guy (and, all the talk is Smith. Not sure where this Horford trade crap comes from), they had better be bringing more than a 30-something year old on the decline to the table.
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:49 pm
keith
December 1st, 2012
1:47 pm
Devin Harris will not be back with the Atlanta Hawks next season. He should be the odd man out, and will be eventually. LOU WILLIAMS will be back next year and can back-up Jeff Teague in short stints!!!
Section 303
December 1st, 2012
1:51 pm
Last night’s game…was disappointing. I read that Josh is taking the blame for not boxing out last night and says he will make sure that never happens again. Well, that’s a bunch of bullsh#t. Josh, and all the other Hawks, never boxout. They have not made it a priority ever. So, why is that going to change now? It isn’t.
Find your man, seal, then jump. Josh and the Hawks just turn and jump. It came back to bite them in the a$$ last night. And, almost bit them in the a$$ against Washington last week. This has been a problem for years. I will bet whatever you want to bet that it does not get fixed.
Jamaaliver
December 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
Josh Smith to LA for Pau Gasol. Add others to balance it financially.
Horford + Pau = best frontcourt in the East. (Think Brooklyn’s frontcourt with All-Stars at C&PF).
Josh + Pau = catastrophe.
PS AL is better than Josh.
kwooden1
December 1st, 2012
1:53 pm
Sounds like a good move, get those guys need some time to develop.
As for the loss, I didn’t see the game but knew that one of these types of losses would coming. We’re a team that just can’t consistently get stops when we need to, so no lead is safe. Which is also true the other way because we have so many good 3 point shooters, we can always come back in a game. Rebounding will be a problem most games with these guys as long as the opposing team’s SF is aggressive. We’re such a small team that if you can get a center that is active to occupy Horford and Josh, then offensive rebounds are there for the taking. Either way I hope that Jeff showed some improvement this game and continues to grow in his role.
GO HAWKS!!
Section 303
December 1st, 2012
2:02 pm
kwooden1, defense was the main problem. The Hawks had a 9-point lead, with the ball and a chance to increase the lead. It went down hill from there. There was a stretch where Cleveland had to of scored on 8 or 9 straight possessions.
Can’t win ‘em all. I understand that. But, last night’s game was just a give away by the Hawks. The decision that it was ok to NOT box out Gee was just a great way to cap off a miserable defensive performance.
As I said, above, the box out problem is not going away. Hawks will just have to play through this. I don’t believe the Hawks have it in them to box out all the time. At most, they might really focus on sealing their man against Denver, just because it is the immediate aftermath of the Cleveland game. But, zebras don’t change there stripes. Hawks will go back to never boxing out.
Section 303
December 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
I don’t want Gasol here. Let me just be clear on that. I think that is an awful move. I’ll take my chances keeping Josh and Al.
Jamaaliver
December 1st, 2012
2:05 pm
Notice that Josh best season is very comparable to Pau’s worst season.
He’s bigger, stronger, a more established scorer.
He can guard centers and PFs. He’s an All Star and a NBA Champion.
Josh isn’t much of a scorer or rebounder. Thus his 15 & 7 career avg.
keith
December 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
Just looked at the Hawks Roster and annual salaries, Josh at 13.2million and Al Horfy at 12million, suffice it to say that, statistically, their play does not “Quantify” their offensive and defensive productions! I cannot foresee a scenario where both of these guys are with the Atlanta Hawks next season moving forward?
keith
December 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
keith
December 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
Josh Smith/Al Horford “Productivity” not quantifiable enough to justify 12 million and 13 million dollar annual salaries!!!
keith
December 1st, 2012
2:20 pm
Prayers for the families of the Kansas City Chief football player and his girlfriend. This is another horrible tragedy. May they have the comfort of the God most high in this tragic situation.
Not So Casual Observer
December 1st, 2012
2:32 pm
Defense and rebounding require heart and desire – Anderson Varrajao is an example.
The Hawks have players trying to be too cool, or smooth, to give constant effort as the Cleveland team did last night. Watch Josh Smith saunter back on defense a few times and you see my point.
Not So Casual Observer
December 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
The coach and the GM make the D League decisions.
KBP
December 1st, 2012
2:40 pm
I can understand Miami, Boston, LAL, LAC, OKC,NY, NJ and a few others sending a 1st round pick to the D-League. I absolutely do not understand our Hawks sending Jenkins to the D-League. Our rotation is not that formidable to where he should not get consistent minutes. We have played well of late but I seriously doubt we make the playoffs and if we do we will be a 7 or 8 seed. How can you not play Jenkins now so he can be ready for the future when you are a 7 or 8 seed? Granted, I have not seen the practices but I did see Jenkins quite a bit at Vandy and he can flat out shoot the ball just as well as Korver who clearly does not have a long term future here. He was not good defensively at Vandy and will not be good here either but neither is Korver, Morrow, nor Williams good defensively. If this is Ferry’s move, then I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. If this is LD’s move, then I am not surprised because he is a
KBP
December 1st, 2012
2:42 pm
Oops, to finish my statement: then I am not surprised because he is a TRAIN WRECK!
Clarification
December 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
If you actually watched the game, you would know that Josh guarded Varejao most of the game. Horford only had him on switches in transition.
Funny how some want to blame Horford, when Josh said straight out that it was his fault that the Cavs won.
KBP
December 1st, 2012
3:05 pm
Section 303 . . . Does Josh do anything better than Pau other than block shots? Does Al do ANYTHING better than Pau? Even though he is 5-7 years older than they, I’d make that trade immediately. He will be a substantial improvement offensively and a push defensively except for a few blocked shots that Josh contributes.
After trading Joe and Marvin, I wonder why did Ferry did not go all in with the rebuilding mode? Seems like he’s trying to be competitive with this roster instead of completely blowing it up. I think having a lot of cap space and a high lottery pick is a better position than having cap space and a late 1st round pick. San Antonio did well picking late in the first round because they already had a championship core so their 1st rounders did not need to contribute right away. Ours do! Again, I am giving Ferry the benefit of the doubt, everyone else is a TRAIN WRECK!
ejh
December 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
I beleive Scott and Jenkings were sent down to the D-League is because the Hawks are getting ready to make roster moves either via trade or free agent signings, especially with Korver’s back in question and Morrow a little gimpy. And after last night atrocious rebounding for this move to come the next day, it looks to me the Hawks are going for a center and a small forward who can help immediately on the glass. That is waht I take from this move which was done so fast.
Clarification
December 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
No Sautee here, troll. I deal in facts, not opinions.
Harry Hawk
December 1st, 2012
3:12 pm
Not sure why we drafted Jenkins and then picked up Morrow and Korver. Jenkins is a role player who shoots from the perimeter. Weird move.
KBP
December 1st, 2012
3:17 pm
ejh, you may be right. What center and power forward do you have in mind? I would send Al to Phoenix for Gortat if the Suns would do that. Gortat at 5. Josh at 4. Stevenson at 3. Jenkins at 2. Teague at 1. Still not a contender in the east but take that starting 5 with our cap space next year and build from there.
Clarification
December 1st, 2012
3:18 pm
And, BTW, what Horford was doing on that last play was blocking out the league’s leading rebounder, which put him too far away to react to Gee’s put back. Check the video.
Just the facts, ma’am.
Artman
December 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
Hey guys, Pau Gasol is 32 years old with tendonitis in his knees. And he is also making $19 million a year. He is not a player you want if you are building for the future. It is a good thing Danny Ferry is the GM and not all the bloggers who pretend they know what is best for the Hawks.
MattP
December 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
Are people really blaming Horford for Gee’s put back? Smith is the one to blame, he let Gee sneak around him and get under the rim for the rebound. Horford did what he was suppose to and box out Varejao.
Clarification
December 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Hey troll, I must have gotten to you for you to steal my handle.
Stolen handle at 3:31, and 3:17.
Just the facts, ma’am. And the fact is, that Josh said this loss was on him for failing to block out.
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
3:45 pm
Clarification:
Horford was not too far – he was not quick enough to block that putback. I was watching several more times that video and it strongly suggests that we urgently need SF/WING to be competitive. Jost originally had a correct position, but Gee is so fast he was able to very quickly neak past Josh an swiftly make his putback. Of course Cavs got very lucky where ball went after Waiter’s shot, but had we a good SF that putback was unlikely to happen…
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
Of course Josh would rebound if the ball hit the rim, but in that case he could do little. Josh is PF, not a SF and not as fast as SF…
Clarification
December 1st, 2012
3:49 pm
Sameba,
Josh failed to put his body on Gee. Horford was bodying Andy the entire time until he realized that Gee had the ball. Too slow? Maybe, but his job was to block out Varejao. That, he did.
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
And what is interesting, Gee did not attempt to layup from the side where Josh was standing, instead he went to opposite side towards Al…
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Clarification:
For me, just that episode alone, is a very good case to justify urgent need of a atletic, fast, hustling small forward.
Chris Vivlamore
December 1st, 2012
3:54 pm
Folks: You will find a number of blog posts deleted. The same loser who keeps posting under multiple names was back – for awhile. As I have many, many times I have banned him. Try as the this person with nothing better to do keeps trying, II keep deleting and banning. Thanks.
Chris Vivlamore
December 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
keith: GM Danny Ferry makes the call on sending player to D-League. I’m sure he had input from Larry Drew and coaching staff.
MattP
December 1st, 2012
3:59 pm
Sameba,
You said it well, just imagine if we had keep Damion James. I do not understand why they.keep Tolliver over James. James had better defense and can rebound well for his size. But we all know Drew loves his 3 point shooters.
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
MattP:
December 15 is approaching. And although I hate sending Jenkins to D-league, these moves may indeed indicate that changes are coming…
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 1st, 2012
4:51 pm
We should have drafted someone that could help out on the boards.
Disgusted
December 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
Jenkins was supposed to be better than he has been — looks like another bust.
Why did they draft this scrub??????? There were better guys out there.
This team cannot rebound which is why they will be in the second division in the Eastern Confrence. Last night’s game told alot about their deficiencies.
Nate ArchiBALL
December 1st, 2012
5:43 pm
Please remember that Danny added some of his people to LD’s staff whose main purpose is player development. Think about it, if John Jenkins was ready for NBA minutes he wouldn’t be sent to the D League. There is a huge difference between college basketball and the NBA. Everyone who scouted Jenkins, knew he was not a NBA-ready player – (Long term yes, short term no) Too many questions about his athleticism, defensive ability, ball handling…but the book on Jenkins is that over time he would develop into a better than average player. Is he getting better? We will see from what he does in his D League stint.
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
5:59 pm
Uh oh doc, will the Dawgs meltdown again at the dome tonight?
One more half to go….Of course Alabama kicks a huge field goal right before the half to pull ahead by 3…
Rusty
December 1st, 2012
6:21 pm
You can’t tell m me that LD couldn’t find 5 minutes a game for a first rounder.LD. Is not only a bad coach but he is a coach who will never try to develope a young player. Play Ivan, idiot.
Astro Joe
December 1st, 2012
6:23 pm
I’m glad to hear about the D League assignments, I personally hope that they stay there for a few weeks.
Add Jeremy Pargo to the list of PGs that Teague should play more intently as he contiues his evolution. Pargo gets added to a list that includes George Hill and Kemba Walker.
Rusty
December 1st, 2012
6:23 pm
If Jenkins was so limited who was the idiot or idiots who picked him.
Astro Joe
December 1st, 2012
6:38 pm
Pay attention to the timing people. Jenkins was drafted BEFORE we acquired LouWill, Korver and Morrow. And he is signed to a 3 year guaranteed deal, which means that he has more years guaranteed than Morrow or Korver. Seriously, people, you can’t expect a #22 selected rookie to make an impact in his rookie year. And his elite shooting skills are duplicative with short-term players acquired AFTER he was drafted. But you don’t evaluate a draft pick after the first few months. If that was the case, then clearly Teague was a bad pick.. and I doubt anyone on this blog would make that statement.
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
7:01 pm
Uh Oh! Georgia cant stop the run..Their defense is worn down…
almost 300 yards on the ground for Bama and still in the 3rd quarter?
Oh the Humanity!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 1st, 2012
7:23 pm
Good move to send Jenkins and Scott to the D-League. Young players get better by playing, and this will allow them to get playing time.
I do not agree with the people who think they should be getting minutes for the Hawks right now. This is not like the Teague/Bibby situation, where Teague was clearly good enough to play and was stuck behind a mediocre and fading player. In this case, Scott is stuck behind Zaza and Ivan who are clearly better than him, and Jenkins is stuck behind two of the best 3 point shooters in the league. Neither one deserves minutes right now for the Hawks, so the D-League is the right place for them.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
I was hoping we could go a week without seeing Pau Gasoft’s name mentioned, but I guess I was wrong.
The Hawks unloaded Joe and Marvin to preserve salary flexibility this summer. Trading for Pau destroys that. That alone is a very good reason not to trade for him, not to mention that he is declining and has NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME AS THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM (unlike Josh who has).
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
7:40 pm
Georgia lost. What else is news..
Good game tonight on NBA TV. Brooklyn vs. Miami!
Go Joe!
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
Danny will not bring in that overrated stiff in Gasol…
Do not trade with LA..YOu will get burned…
keith
December 1st, 2012
7:45 pm
I hope we can acquire another Big before the all-star break. We need more size with athleticism right now. We whiffed on Dalembert, Camby, Asik.., and the list goes on. Petro seems to have peaked.
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
7:45 pm
Joe’s shot is looking more and more like Josh’s..It catches back iron all the time now…
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
7:51 pm
Brooklyn is cookin that ole stewbeef!
Up 13-4 and hitting on all cylinders!
Watch and you will see a far superior team than the Hawks..This team is down right scary!!!!!!!!!!!!
brigadierjerry
December 1st, 2012
7:54 pm
For the ones who think Danny Ferry is going to be trading gasol for smith:
…But D’Antoni now has Howard, Pau Gasol and Bryant — all skilled in different ways, but not the kinds of makers he’s used to.
That’s the reason the Lakers are considering whether to trade Gasol, who has been a wreck this season, and bring in a “stretch-four,” a power forward who can drain threes from the corner and stay out of Howard’s way in the post.
The Lakers would probably love an athletic player, like Josh Smith, but Atlanta is not going to take back Gasol, with $38.3 million left on his deal, including $19.3 million next season. New Hawks GM Danny Ferry is still quite thrilled that he was able to get out from under Joe Johnson’s mega-contract by finding a new home for him in Brooklyn. But he’s not ready to take on another big deal, even if Gasol comes off the books in 2014
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-antoni-nash-offense-gear-article-1.1211591#ixzz2DqrG6KKF
Jenkins, Scott sent to D-League | HawksHoop
December 1st, 2012
8:11 pm
[...] and Jenkins was really the only one of the two who looked like he warranted more playing time. According to Chris Vivlamore, they probably won’t spend a long time in the D-League. With the Hawks off until Wednesday, [...]
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
8:13 pm
Stackhouse is phenomenal for Nets with his fade away shots!!
sincethe80$
December 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
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December 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
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sincethe80$
December 1st, 2012
8:21 pm
Why would you trade al or josh for a aging un athletic pau. Makes no sense. Pau doesn’t even get on the floor in the second half some games. No why he is not tough he font bang. We got two young players who is very talented..
Runner-
December 1st, 2012
8:31 pm
Sections 303, I agree wholeheartedly with you about Pau. Why the hell would we trade for an aging center with another bad year in his contract? The NBA is getting smaller as a whole, and Al and Zaza will do just fine at center for the time being.
Jay Dubu
December 1st, 2012
8:34 pm
Stackhouse getting major playing time with the Nets, and couldn’t even get on the floor for the Hawks last season!
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
Stackhouse is balling, he even blocked LBJ once.
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
8:45 pm
Correction: It was actually Wade blocked…
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
Roll Tide Clyde
That was a good game. SEC football is the best. Georgia will be ready next year.
Sautee
December 1st, 2012
8:59 pm
Outmanned Bulldogs played courageously. The fact that they even had a chance to win, given Alabama’s dominance running the ball, was amazing.
Clyde, congrats to your 2012 SEC champs. Keep the NC in the SEC.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Hawks chatter.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 1st, 2012
9:00 pm
LD gives players playing time based on favoritism that’s why Stackhouse never played with the Hawks.
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
9:06 pm
“Out manned Falcons played courageously. The fact that they even had a chance to win, given _________ dominance, was amazing” -Another Yawn-
Is this a future obituary for the 11-1 Falcons [at present]? Hmmmm
PLAYOFFS???
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
9:13 pm
Andray Blatche has got skills! What a great addition he is for the Nets. He is show casing his stuff on NBA TV tonight! Andray has 16 pts..
The Nets have 5 starters in double figures with 5 min left in the 3rd quarter! Wow! Nets +10 on the boards!
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
It seems Cavs guards had their best game in Atlanta. Both pargo and Waiters playing poorly vs Portland.
Slimjr
December 1st, 2012
9:20 pm
2-15 since 2008 against Nationally Ranked teams= paper tiger, Always go with the other guy..
Sautee
December 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
Maybe so, slim, but this is BY FAR the best team they have played since 08, and they were right there at the end. I guess you can’t give respect to the effort they gave. Too bad for you to be that jaded. Glad I can still see clearly.
Jae Evolution
December 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
Blazers just gave up an offensive rebound with 5 seconds left to Gee (again) and he got the layup to tie the game, lol.
O'Brien
December 1st, 2012
10:27 pm
If Danny Ferry is serious about winning this year, he will make a move to bring in a player who is known for his rebounding, because that is the Hawks biggest weakness.
Props to LD for his plays coming out of timeouts, but he still has issues with his minutes distribution.
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
10:30 pm
And Batum did to Cavs exactly the same thing what Gee to us!!
Sameba
December 1st, 2012
10:32 pm
Portland avenged for the Hawks in the same manner
keith
December 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
A Lot of the current Hawks players remind me of what i saw from Georgias’ Aaron Murray tonight. Allways a BRIDESMAID but never a BRIDE!!! SPECIFICALLY JOSH AND AL.
Buddy Grizzard
December 1st, 2012
11:12 pm
“I absolutely do not understand our Hawks sending Jenkins to the D-League. Our rotation is not that formidable to where he should not get consistent minutes.” KBP
Let me try to explain. If Jenkins was a part of the Hawks rotation (which he is not, because he has not earned it), he would be the 5th shooting guard on the depth chart behind Devin Harris and Kyle Kover (part-time starters), Lou Williams (a past contender for 6th Man of the Year) and Anthony Morrow (a proven NBA starter). That’s 4 players at Jenkins’ position that are proven rotation players.
So it’s just a numbers game. Right now there is simply no opportunity for Jenkins. The Hawks can’t find minutes for Morrow so no way in hell are they going to leave him on the bench to rot and give his few minutes to a rookie.
The real reason for this is that the Hawks are attempting to showcase Harris for a trade. Harris is not and never was part of the Hawks’ plans. He’s just another expiring contact that the Hawks hope to flip at the trade deadline. But for Harris to have trade value, he has to play. And that’s why Morrow is glued to the Hawks’ bench. It’s not because Morrow did anything wrong or LD doesn’t like him or any other reason. They just need to give those minutes to Harris.
Now, if Harris gets traded at the deadline, suddenly our point guard depth is gone. Teague will have to play extended minutes and Lou Williams will be forced into the role of backup facilitator, a role he’s not ideally suited for. At that point, when Williams is playing more minutes at point guard and Harris is no longer soaking up minutes at shooting guard (where he is completely not needed on a team with depth at the position thanks to Korver and Morrow), then Jenkins could come back and be 3rd on the depth chart at shooting guard instead of 5th.
Buddy Grizzard
December 1st, 2012
11:56 pm
“I’II keep deleting and banning.”
Thanks, C-Viv. Your efforts are much appreciated by those of us who just want to enjoy talking basketball.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
2:10 am
Pau Gasol trades:
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/30/what-might-the-lakers-get-by-trading-gasol/
The Toronto trade makes the most sense for all parties. Not to say that it makes much sense. Toronto is terrible and will be for the foreseeable future. I wouldn’t let anything stand in the way of draft position for 2014 when Andrew Wiggins will be the #1 pick.
Jae Evolution
December 2nd, 2012
3:18 am
Wouldn’t mind working out a trade with either of those teams for our interest as well BG. Both Toronto and Milwaukee have solid rebounding defensive bigs who if paired with Zaza on the bench could make us that much stronger.
Sanders has been on a tear lately, he had a triple double against Minny last night and against Boston posted 18 16 and 5, very solid but he is very streaky offensively. On Toronto, Ed Davis is another active rebounding big he got 14 boards a few games back against SA and shows good activity in limited minutes. Both teams also have expiring deals in Udrih and Calderon, so a deal could probably easily be worked out using Harris + filler to acquire either.
Jae Evolution
December 2nd, 2012
3:20 am
Also if Stern wants to fine the Spurs a competent team who are as respected as any in the league. He better be ready to double that number because come next year the tanking memo will be sent out to every bad team once they see Wiggins in college, that dude is special.
Cedrick
December 2nd, 2012
4:09 am
Why is Drew not playing John Jenkins in the first place?????
vava74
December 2nd, 2012
6:34 am
About time that these assignments were made.
Scott should NOT, barring any injury, be back until he finishes the season with the Jam.
The fast paced game of the D-League will be beneficial for him to get himself up to speed with the pro game – although there is not that much defence going on – or fail to do it and allow us to give up on him and release him, freeing a roster spot for a guy like Damion James or Maguire, who definitively would have minutes waiting for him at the SF slot.
As for JJ2, the kid absolutely needs minutes and shots during competitive games in order to keep his game sharp. Barring incredible blow outs – which we are not getting – he simply cannot fit the rotation and is not benefiting from being with us.
Admittedly, he could be on and off with our coaching staff in order to work in his game, but he definitively should be with the Jam for extended stretches.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
6:40 am
Jenkins and Scott are in the D-League where they belong. But do the Hawks belong near the top of the league in multiple defensive categories?
http://repatl.blogspot.com/2012/12/bo-churney-explains-hawks-stupefying.html
vava74
December 2nd, 2012
6:40 am
Still utterly pi$$ed off with the loss.
In a game where we were getting clearly out hustled this #$&%$ idiot only has Ivan playing for 9 minutes?
Ivan definitively could have logged minutes at the SF and C slots since although Stephenson had a good shooting first half he was not getting any rebounds and we were getting murdered on the boards and Zaza seemed clearly off (I actually thought before the game that Zaza was not a good fit against CLE front court since both Varejão and Thomson are more “mobility rebounders” and Zaza is best suited against “body volume rebounders”.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
7:03 am
Yep Zaza’s below-the-rim game is not best-suited against guys who ride the elevator to work.
ag
December 2nd, 2012
7:29 am
LD has to learn to play situational basketball. Ivan is a top rebounder and he really should be playing more minutes. He played SF in the D-League and what would hurt to see a starting lineup of Teague, Korver, Johnson, Smith and Horford?
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
8:51 am
Beat me to it ag.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
8:52 am
I have been saying this time and time again, that Ivan Johnson should be in the starting line-up. This guy may blossom into another “Ron Artest” not Metta World War, if given more responsibility. Ivan is a hungry basketball player and will make this team better.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
9:03 am
The main problem with this team moving forward is Coach Larry Drew. He seems to have an antiquated approach to basketball, an antiquated approach to leadership, and an antiquated approach to Philosophy. Why did the GM send him to Europe over the summer? LD needs further education in order to get better. He needs to BENCHMARK a little. In order to manage the “Modern Day Athlete” you have be to smarter and wiser.
HawkFan
December 2nd, 2012
10:14 am
Astro and Najeh got it right. No need to play Jenkins when the same talent ahead of him with more experience. Scott not an NBA rotational talent right now.
Play Ivan. LD should have been called to DF’s office about getting beat 48-27 on the boards while Ivan played 8 min. In fact LD should usually be called to some office. He is however for what it’s worth a master of late game inbounds plays. Who would of thunk that?
HawkFan
December 2nd, 2012
10:17 am
The Stackhouse thing is another indictment of Drew. Guy can still play and we used him as a dressed out assistant coach. What if TMac and Stack had played more last year?
Rusty
December 2nd, 2012
10:45 am
We don’t even know whether those inbounds plays come from LD or one of the assistants.It is also not rocket science to come up with these plays.
Rusty
December 2nd, 2012
10:48 am
It seemed that last year that we couldn’t even inbound the ball successfully. Maybe DF brought the plays.
Sautee
December 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
Rusty,
Your hate seems to have no bounds. Do you not SEE LD drawing up the plays on the whiteboard?
So do you think he has a secret earpiece and an assistant coach is telling him what to draw? LMFAO.
And if it’s not rocket science, why doesn’t EVERY team score EVERY time out of a TO?
You are apparently incapable of giving LD credit for the one thing he actually does well.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
10:53 am
Interesting read on JOSH SMITH.
To update the Mid-Range Shawty Meter, Josh Smith is now shooting 18-for-81 (22%) outside the paint for the season. This includes a 1-for-11 game against the Trail Blazers and a 1-for-7 game against the Wizards. Smith is shooting 73-for-124 (59%) inside the paint this season. But his six attempts per game outside the paint accounts for 14% of the 82 total shots per game taken by the Hawks.
Now Then, we need to compare these statistics to Pau Gasol’s stats.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
11:38 am
At 32 years of age, Pau Gasol is shooting .423% from the field 75% Free Throws, according to espn.go.com(Starting Power Forward).
Nate ArchiBALL
December 2nd, 2012
11:42 am
@Keith – Please elaborate on your 9:03 post about Larry Drew’s antiquated approach to coaching. Give specific examples. What NBA coaches follow this new approach to coaching the modern day athlete?
AnotherGM
December 2nd, 2012
11:45 am
As long as Josh Smith is on the roster being the main man the Hawks can never be taken seriously, Gasol is a proven Allstar player.
TIFWIW
ag
December 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm
Keith you all all around of your thoughts. They seem to change on a game to game basis. First you want to trade Josh for Gasol.. now it is Al for Gasol. Everybody has posted how terrible those trades would be because a. his knees b. his salary c. his softness d. his age… etc. etc. etc.
Now Keith is attacking LD. Okay, that is ok fine, but what we really question is how he treats his players. Most would acknowledge he has some great offensive plays, but his personnel decisions are something to be desired.
ag
December 2nd, 2012
12:26 pm
Man, Rusty, we criticize the guy, so give the guy credit. The HC is coming up with those plays – or at least he is calling them. I am NOT a LD fan, but hey the guy has great plays coming out of timeouts. If we could only call a timeout after every play.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
12:35 pm
CDR averaging 27 in dleague:
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/tmp_chris_douglas-roberts/
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
12:39 pm
Terrence Jones 17 RPG in D-League.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/statistics/player/Rebounds.jsp?league=20&season=22012&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All%20Teams
This guy is a beast. He should be a part of Houston’s rotation. McHale is stupid for not playing this kid. But unlike Royce White he takes his demotion to the Dleague like a man and makes something out of it.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
12:51 pm
I hate the loss to the Cavs because the Hawks don’t play until freakin Wednesday!. If they got the win they would be tied with the Knicks in the loss column and we’d all be feeling good about the Hawks.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Nate ArchiBALL
December 2nd, 2012
11:42 am
When the player has a problem with coach Drew, the Coach becomes “‘passive aggressive” . He locks the player out physically and psychologically. Players who challenge his thought processes, ie .., Tracy McGrady, Ivan Johnson, Zsa Zsa, are frequently mis-managed. He fails to understand how to get the most out of difficult players. He should not take criticism so personally.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
I do not believe that Josh Smith respect Larry Drews’ Basketball Acumen. If Josh remains here, Larry needs to go…Star players need a leader that they respect!!!
Sautee
December 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
“If they got the win they would be tied with the Knicks in the loss column and we’d all be feeling good about the Hawks.” – Buddy G
Buddy, they are on track to win 52-53 games at this point. (.643%)
Do I think they will win 50+? No, but at this point in the season, they are exceeding my expectations. And that’s despite playing an easy schedule. I thought we’d struggle defensively more than we have. So, even with the bad loss, I’m optimistic.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Nate ArchiBALL
December 2nd, 2012
11:42 am
Bottom line is that imo, Larry Drew is a fine Basketball Coach and an even finer Human being. Metaphorically speaking, he is like a Toyota Corolla and we need a Toyota Avalon right now.
Melvin
December 2nd, 2012
1:32 pm
That loss to the Cavs stills hurt…
ag
December 2nd, 2012
1:33 pm
By the end of this month,we will truly see what the Hawks are about. It starts Wed with the Nuggets. With one creampuff, (Washington), on to Miami. A couple of other creampuffs, Wash, Orl and GS- OKC, Philly and Chicago. They will end the month with Det, Cleveland Indiana and Houston.
alex
December 2nd, 2012
1:43 pm
again LD is fine coach for this team, he is good as everybody, considering the roster assembled by Ferry by orders of ours cheap owners, i am sure we on 5-9 record, not 9-5 with 99% current NBA coaches. maybe only dog rivers, or popovich got hawks similar results. so stop bashing LD, instead ask more from Ferry (we are small and vulnerable defensive) and of course asg liars never worry about winnings, only own profit. for me last man should go from this team is LD plain and clear.
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
2:58 pm
Until our guards continue to provide nice escort service for their opponents to our paint, irrespectively of what is your frontcourt, be it Chandler or Howard, you will have no hope for a better rebounding.
Nate ArchiBALL
December 2nd, 2012
4:45 pm
Keith – How was LD suppose to handle those situations with T-Mac, ZaZa and Ivan? (I’m assuming you’re speaking of playing time) What coach (a name) would have handled it differently and how? What coach is available?
keith
December 2nd, 2012
5:37 pm
Nate ArchiBALL
December 2nd, 2012
4:45 pm
Pat Riley when coaching in New York, Chuck Daily of the Bad Boy Pistons, Phil Jackson, just to name a few, all managed very strong personalities and guys with character concerns, and last i checked, they were pretty successful. You have to value all of your employees. Apparently Drew told Tolliver to “Stay Ready”,. Come on man! Stay ready??? Tolliver cannot be that stupid.
Rusty
December 2nd, 2012
6:01 pm
LD holds vendettas against some people. Anyone who says he doesn’t is not being realistic.
Rusty
December 2nd, 2012
6:02 pm
And that isn’t being good for the team.
ECF or Bust
December 2nd, 2012
6:30 pm
LD needs to get consistent minutes for Zaza and Ivan.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
7:35 pm
Sautee if the Hawks win 50 in a transition year, I think we’d all be pretty happy about that. I wrote in my last post that the Hawks are ahead of where I projected they would be in the preseason. It just sucks you have a loss like that then 5 days to stew about it
“stop bashing LD, instead ask more from Ferry”
Now you guys know I’m the president and founder of the Fire LD Association. But this statement by Alex is true. I said before the season that I thought Ferry was going to put LD in the best possible position to succeed and he hasn’t done that. This is a deeply flawed roster and it’s no wonder the Hawks are dead last in rebounds when we are regularly playing a shooting guard at the 3 or, heaven forbid, LD’s trusty 3 point guard lineup like he closed out Cleveland with.
Disgusted
December 2nd, 2012
7:47 pm
At best this Hawks team will win in the low 40’s. That might be generous.
cdog
December 2nd, 2012
8:00 pm
they need to send larry drew to learn how to coach to the D-league
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
8:36 pm
Buddy Grizzard:
…This is a deeply flawed roster…
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I wonder, what is preventing Larry Drew to try Ivan at the small forward position. I heard Ivan got such a experience when he played in the D-League. Does anyone has an explanation of why this is not happening under LD??
Ken Strickland
December 2nd, 2012
9:15 pm
With the assigning of Scott and Jenkins to the D-League, it looks like we have a repeat of what took place between former HC MWoodson and GM BKnight. Just like Ferry, shortly after taking over, Knight indicated he wanted to build through the draft and develop those draft picks.
It seems that both HCs were totally opposed to that approach, as evidenced by Drew and Woodson’s mistreatment of JTeague. Now it seems Ferry realizes Drew is dead set on not committing any time or effort into developing either of his draft picks. Therefore he’s sending them down for their development. If my assessment is correct, this is likely LDrew’s last season as HC.
Ken Strickland
December 2nd, 2012
9:26 pm
SAMEBA-LDrew cares more about 3pt shooting ability than rebounding and DEF. This have been evidenced by him going to great lengths to play ATolliver at SF rather than retaining none 3pt shooting DJames, or trying none 3pt shooting IJohnson at SF. He’s also resisted the idea of playing JSmith at SF more than periodically.
He appears to be a kinder, soft spoken version of MWoodson.
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
9:38 pm
Ken Strickland:
I think that this is LD’s last season as Hawks’ HC. However, he is doing his best to build a good CV for himself so that he can find a job elsewhere after this season ends. Unfortunately, this happens at the expense of building our new team…
keith
December 2nd, 2012
10:11 pm
Moving forward, we have Denver on Wednesday night. I am curious to see how we guard Iguodala and Ty Lawson. Both of these guys can beat you off the dribble.
Buddy Grizzard
December 2nd, 2012
10:13 pm
“Does anyone has an explanation of why this is not happening under LD??”
It’s not happening because All-NBA wants to play power forward. This would move Josh back to his natural position and force Al to play the 5. Alternately, the Hawks could start Ivan at power forward and let Josh be the full time small forward. This also works…. except that All-NBA wants to play power forward and everybody else has to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic to suit him.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
10:22 pm
PG-Jeff Teague/Lou Will
SG-Kyle Korver/Stevenson/Jenkins
SF-Anthony Morrow/Ivan Johnson
PF-Josh Smith/Mike Scott
C–Pau Gasol/Petro/Zsa Zsa
This would be a very nice roster moving forward!!!
O'Brien
December 2nd, 2012
10:28 pm
Ken,
Where is JJ2 and Mike Scott supposed to get playing time? Jenkins is not better than Morrow, Lou Williams, Stevenson, and Korver. So whose minutes would he take?
If the choice is between Tolliver and Mike Scott, that’s one thing, but Toliver is not getting much PT anymore. Ivan should get more minutes, but imo, there is no room for Mike Scott unless its a blowout.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
10:43 pm
We had an opportunity to bring in Jeff Green. Green can play the 2. 3, and 4 at 6″9.” He is balling right now in Boston. Jeff Green is the quintessential team player. He would work great with Al Horford and Pau Gasol. All three of these guys are unselfish to a fault.
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
10:45 pm
Buddy Grizzard:
Hawks play two lineups: the so called big and small. If I am not mistaken, actually they played small lineup more often than the big one. So, when they play that small lineup, Horford plays C, and Josh is PF. Therefore, when Drew decides to go for the small lineup, in my opinion, it would be very beneficial if Ivan plays SF. I believe Ivan is better suited for SF position than Josh – he is faster, hardworker and hustling a lot. Also, he has a midrange jumper and can also hit 3-pts occasionally. As well, he can drive to the basket and can be a real matchup for most small forwards. I am inclined to think that it is LD that hesitates to play Ivan at 3. May be we should ask our beat writer to find out with LD what is the reason for not trying Ivan at that position…
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
10:47 pm
^a real matchup nightmare
keith
December 2nd, 2012
10:49 pm
Sources out there now say that the Lakers want Devin Harris and Josh Smith because of the uncertainty of Steve Nash moving forward, in a trade for Pau.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2012
10:54 pm
Some of y’all who expect a head coach to win 75% of his games while simultaneously giving late round selections consistent playing time are simply clueless. It doesn’t happen that way. Check around the league and find me 3 2nd round rookies drafted after 40 who have played a total of 120 minutes this season (~10 minutes/game). Then find 3 1st round picks selected in the 20s with 120 total minutes. And remember, Sullinger was considered a top 15 pick before medical exams suggested that he may be chronically injured, but no one doubted his ability to be a solid rotation player (assuming that he stays healthy).
Do some of you truly believe that the only teams who send players to the D-League are those with head coaches who refuse to develop their rookies?
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
10:55 pm
I am presently watching Lakers vs Magic. I do not like at all how Gasoft plays. His game clearly degraded. It is apparent he is becoming older. I would not give them neither Josh nor Horford…
JaeEvolution
December 2nd, 2012
10:59 pm
Jeff Green is essentially what Marvin was to ATL. He was drafted and bred alongside a good amount of young talent and really had his chance to play and prove himself in OKC. Then OKC decided they couldn’t afford him and had to get rid of him. Now in Boston he plays the Marvin role of guess who or who isn’t going to show up tonight. Look at his game log he is granted a steady amount of minutes and his numbers are wildly erratic, similar to Marvin.
I don’t doubt Jeff Green’s skill, but we just got out of a contract from a 6′9 forward who would tease us on a week to week basis with his flashes of skill, do we really want to bring in a carbon copy of the guy we just shipped out.
paian
December 2nd, 2012
11:00 pm
Keith that rumor is like 2 or 3 weeks old…
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
11:02 pm
Did you see how Big Baby blocked Gasoft ?!
keith
December 2nd, 2012
11:04 pm
If DF makes a trade, i really hope it nets us an unprotected lottery pick. We have to get a top 10 pick somehow.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
11:06 pm
Jeff Green is the real deal. He just needs more minutes.
keith
December 2nd, 2012
11:12 pm
At 33 years old, i still like Mettas game.He still gives you 100%. Our main problem is that we have only 1 tough guy and the coach will not play him the right way!!!
JaeEvolution
December 2nd, 2012
11:45 pm
Pau isn’t even on the floor during crunchtime, and the Lakers are down 6.
That dude is washed.
Sameba
December 2nd, 2012
11:47 pm
Do you see haw Orlando plays with LAL? They permanently faul on Howard.
So here is the idea how we can use Petro. At least 6 times Howard can go to free line
JaeEvolution
December 2nd, 2012
11:47 pm
Dwight such a liability in the final minutes of the game…
JaeEvolution
December 2nd, 2012
11:48 pm
LOL, Lakers are getting BLASTED right now.
Sameba
December 3rd, 2012
12:00 am
Ha-ha-ha, do we have to think now about getting Howard ??
JaeEvolution
December 3rd, 2012
12:40 am
CP3 or bust.
Sameba
December 3rd, 2012
12:54 am
Buddy Grizzard
December 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm
Sautee it’s answer A. I think Horford is a good guy. And I didn’t say he wanted everybody to rearrange the deck chairs, that’s just what you have to do when a player doesn’t see himself as what the team needs him to be. Horford does not withhold effort the way Teague and Josh do if things are not going his way. I think he plays hard at both ends on every play.
I wish the Hawks would have drafted Ezeli to provide a defensive presence Horford can’t provide. I wish we would sign Eddy Curry. I wish LD would PLAY Ivan, who is physically stronger than anyone in the league except LeBron and Dwight. And I wish Al could see himself as a center, but he simply doesn’t.
@KJbeatz
December 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm
Jeff Teague , Chris Paul , Josh Smith , Al Horford , and Dwight Howard would be a fi line up for the Hawks.
That would be insane .. Just a thought I keep in my head for my dream hawks team !!
ag
December 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm
BG, you think LBJ is stronger than Ivan??? Ivan lookes like a really big brother who can lift half the weight room.