Atlanta Hawks: Hawks-Nuggets moved to ESPN

Vivlamore reporting prior to Hawks practice.

A couple of scheduling changes for the Hawks.

The Hawks game against the Nuggets on Wednesday, Dec. 5 will now be televised by ESPN and the game time changed to 8 p.m. The game was originally a 7:30 p.m. start. The network dropped the Bulls at Cavs game.

Also, ESPN will not broadcast the Feb. 20 game against the Heat. The network will instead broadcast the Hornets at Cavs game.

- Chris Vivlamore

51 comments Add your comment

Melvin

November 27th, 2012
8:51 am

I would rather see the Hawks/Heat game on ESPN….

ECF or Bust

November 27th, 2012
9:10 am

hornuts and cavs over hawks???
who came up with that ratings buster?!

ECF or Bust

November 27th, 2012
9:12 am

espn game. lets see how Hawks respond. will they have stars in their eyes or will they TKB.

ECF or Bust

November 27th, 2012
9:13 am

duh, should be TCB….

heat check

November 27th, 2012
9:25 am

Nice. Well, that explains the lack of a tv listing for the DEN game. Kinda harsh of ESPN to pull the game in Feb, though. Now when are the people going to get a chance to see the Heat play???? Poor national audience.

Go Dawgs!

November 27th, 2012
9:31 am

Hornets at Cavs? What?

JROLL1

November 27th, 2012
9:42 am

Please Fire whoever came up with that stupid idea!!!

Remarkable

November 27th, 2012
9:49 am

ESPN doesn’t respect the Hawks. Most will remember Charles Barkley’s remarks last year when he thought he was off camera. I’m surprised that they are on ESPN at all. I hope this Hawks team keeps winning and makes ESPN regret this decision.

Buddy Grizzard

November 27th, 2012
10:01 am

“I don’t remember anyone, other than me, who felt they would be a good DEF team.” – Ken S.

You got me there, Ken. I am absolutely dumbfounded that this team is playing well defensively despite teague’s defensive struggles, despite playing a point guard as the starting two guard, and despite NO SMALL FORWARD ON THE ROSTER. On top of that, Horford and Smith are STRUGGLING. They are not playing at the top of their games. Think how good this team would be if Horford started hitting free throws and Josh got adjusted to playing out of position.

Geronimo

November 27th, 2012
10:22 am

Interesting. Also, I’m no an expert but I’m pretty sure Barkley works for TNT not ESPN. Even if he did, he’s one guy and this is a different team.

i_am_soulstar

November 27th, 2012
10:22 am

I definitely thought our offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency would be the reverse of what is going on now.

Samurai Squirrel

November 27th, 2012
10:32 am

Shows that we don’t need that “never-tread” Damion James on the roster like all you morons think.

i_am_soulstar

November 27th, 2012
11:03 am

Samurai Squirrel

November 27th, 2012
10:32 am

Shows that we don’t need that “never-tread” Damion James on the roster like all you morons think.
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Actually, I think the main point was that Damion James was a better option than Tolliver due to his proficient rebounding. As of today, we are 26th in the league in rebounding. If you think we’re gonna keep winning games that we get out-rebounded in, I seriously wonder about that.

And looking now, Tolliver hasn’t provided much of anything in regular season games, and LD has began to realize it as Tolliver has only seen the floor once the game has already been decided in the last few contests.

i_am_soulstar

November 27th, 2012
11:03 am

ag

November 27th, 2012
11:09 am

i_am_soulstar
- ditto

Harpie

November 27th, 2012
11:21 am

Nothing matters – Larry Drew will take this team DOWN.

Ken Strickland

November 27th, 2012
11:28 am

BUDDY GRIZZARD-Those are the issues any team faces when there are so many new faces on the roster, especially 2 rookies. Think about it, Teague and Horford are the last rookies to make a Hawks roster. That’s because Woody and Drew simply don’t want to develop, play or deal with any rookies or inexperience players regardless of how much talent and/or potential they might have.

Bibby and Hinrich played ahead of Teague because they had more experience, even though he had more talent. Tolliver played ahead of Ivan because he had more experience and 3pt range, even though Ivan was more talented and productive. And a more experienced DHarris and DStevenson played ahead of AMorrow even though Morrow has been just as productive, if not more so, in far fewer mins.

Tolliver and Stevenson made the roster over DJames due to the experience factor, even though he soundly outplayed everyone else and we desperately needed a SF with size, rebounding and DEF ability, and still do. The same holds true for KBenson. This team, with all of its talent, is being held back by Drew due to the same VETERAN PREFERENCE BS that plagued Woody when he was here.

With this teams firepower and scoring ability, all we need to round this roster out is an additional rebounder and defender or 2, especially at SF.

MsDee

November 27th, 2012
11:40 am

Its still not to late to cut Tolliver. I believe his contract isnt official til Jan sometime. Drew needs to have another meeting with Ferry to see if he could reverse his previous bad decision about keeping Tolliver and letting Damion James by cutting Tolliver RIGHT NOW and replacing him with my boy DJames!!

doc

November 27th, 2012
11:45 am

ken s i was right there with you in liking this team and not going the route of drew is only about o and this is going to be a track meet we have to win. most forget and what brought my own observations in his last year that the team had lost edge and ficus was what brought woody down. he had an awful defense in atl that got worse his last season as the season wore on. ld corrected that and continues to and proves it is not all as simple as saying it is about defense and rebounding.

switch on, switch off like a mantra that will bring down the knicks when it counts. that and iso-melo obviously better than iso-joe but even kobe needed the triangle if you catch my drift.

Clueless

November 27th, 2012
11:46 am

“Most will remember Charles Barkley’s remarks last year when he thought he was off camera. ”

What did Charles Say?

Ken Strickland

November 27th, 2012
11:59 am

I’M-A-SOUL-STAR-CO-SIGN your 11:03am post. Josh, Horford, Ivan, and Zaza are our only legitimate rebounders, and they’ll start wearing down as the season progresses. So far, Drew has relegated 4 players to spectator status(Petro/Tolliver, Jenkins/Scott). That’s 4 of 14 players that are nonfactors, and 3 of the four are on the 12 man active roster(Tolliver, Scott, Jenkins).

The only way we can expect to get any rebounding or solid DEF from the SF position is to play Josh or Ivan out of position. Why pay such a steep price for the luxury of having an additional 3pt shooter on a team filled with 3pt shooters? This team can and will go much farther having a SF with size that rebounds and defends, rather than a stretch 4 that no longer gets off the bench.

Astro Joe

November 27th, 2012
12:01 pm

Strickland, the last first round pick was Jordan Crawford and he made the roster. Benson was a late 2nd round pick chosen in a strike-shortened season with very little practice time available for him.

cp

November 27th, 2012
12:21 pm

Yea I dont understand going with the Hornets and Cavs. Both of those teams haven’t been impressive. I guess they want to showcase Irving and Davis. Seems like the Heat vs Hawks game would draw more viewers and be a more entertaining game.

Samurai Squirrel

November 27th, 2012
12:22 pm

Benson? We’re still talking about Benson?? Still talking about DJames??? (I used to go by “Sam” and you guys know how much I dislike and do not agree with bringing him back))

Roughly 28.6% of players drafted in the 2nd round or signed as unrestricted FA’s make a roster and stick on it for more than 1.5 seasons. What are you guys expecting? James barely squeeked into the 1st and Benson was a 2nd rounder. Neither guy is a long term contributer for any team who wants to go anywhere.

Rusty

November 27th, 2012
12:39 pm

Buddy I don’t know what game you are watching ,JT is the heart of the defensive effort.

Rev in Tampa

November 27th, 2012
12:41 pm

“The only way we can expect to get any rebounding or solid DEF from the SF position is to play Josh or Ivan out of position. Why pay such a steep price for the luxury of having an additional 3pt shooter on a team filled with 3pt shooters? This team can and will go much farther having a SF with size that rebounds and defends, rather than a stretch 4 that no longer gets off the bench.”

The logic of the above quote is unshakable. Brilliant!

Samurai Squirrel

November 27th, 2012
12:42 pm

Vivlamore’s tweet 3 hours ago explains perfectly how we have won 5 straight games:

Combined record of Hawks’ opponents in 5-game win streak is currently 24-41. Only Clippers (8-6) over .500.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

November 27th, 2012
1:09 pm

Hawks in primetime. Not so sure about this one.

MsDee

November 27th, 2012
1:09 pm

Sam aka Samurai Squirrel,

What u are lacking to understand is Damion James out played Tolliver when it came to rebounding and all out hustle!! If u look at our bench guys, WE HAVE NO SF REBOUNDING HUSTLER!! Who cares about the low 1st rounder/ 2nd round talent stats! We only had 2 available roster slots during training camp, WE WERE NOT GONNA GET A BONIFIDE SF WALKING INTO OUR GYM ASKING FOR A CONTRACT!! But what we DID have was a tough “rebound 1st” kinda guy just waiting to get his opportunity to FINALLY make his mark in the NBA since being drafted. But instead, Drew went for ‘experience’ over talent and cost us another dead weight just wasting on the bench (Petro).

i_am_soulstar

November 27th, 2012
1:30 pm

what MsDee said

Dr. Warren

November 27th, 2012
1:43 pm

Drew plays veterans and avoids developing young talent because that’s in his own interest. Better chance of keeping his job. You don’t build winning franchises that way.

Ken Strickland

November 27th, 2012
1:45 pm

MSDEE-Excellent points. It looks like Drew cut James because he didn’t want another Ivan Johnson on his hands. In case everyone has forgotten, Drew started the season by burying Ivan on the bench until Tolliver literally self destructed and forced him to reconsider playing him.

If Tolliver had given Drew the 3pt shooting he wanted, Ivan would most likely still be anchored to the bench. It’s already been pointed out that we can’t expect to continue winning gms while getting out rebounded. Getting 5-7RPG and solid DEF from our starting SF would really help this team in the long run.

Ken Strickland

November 27th, 2012
1:45 pm

MSDEE-Excellent points. It looks like Drew cut James because he didn’t want another Ivan Johnson on his hands. In case everyone has forgotten, Drew started the season by burying Ivan on the bench until Tolliver literally self destructed and forced him to reconsider playing him.

If Tolliver had given Drew the 3pt shooting he wanted, Ivan would most likely still be anchored to the bench. It’s already been pointed out that we can’t expect to continue winning gms while getting out rebounded. Getting 5-7RPG and solid DEF from our starting SF would really help this team in the long run.

terrell

November 27th, 2012
1:57 pm

The Knicks are the oldest team in the league. I bet Woody the vet lover is happier than a f….t with a bag full of d….s.

Astro Joe

November 27th, 2012
2:02 pm

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Astro Joe

November 27th, 2012
2:02 pm

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The Truth

November 27th, 2012
2:04 pm

“Combined record of Hawks’ opponents in 5-game win streak is currently 24-41. Only Clippers (8-6) over”

Exactly and explain why the streak could be viewed as “fool’s gold” if not tempered with rational thinking and the reality of an 82-game schedule. Not to confuse the delight of progress with unrealistic expectations, we are encouraged though with the collection of talent of this Hawks roster; this despite the questionable roster utilization and decisions by LD.

But at the end of the day, if LD succeeds despite the team deficiencies and his preference to groom vets (regardless of performance) over all else, then he should be given credit and judge fairly for a new contract. This would be to the dismay of a many critics including myself. If he does not, then nature has a way of working things out.

Astro Joe

November 27th, 2012
2:04 pm

Yeah, it took LD a whopping 8-10% of the season to set his rotation. OMG… had he done it sooner, we’d be undefeated and Stern would have cancelled the remainder of the season and just handed the trophy over to Danny Ferry and the ASG.

Wink

November 27th, 2012
2:17 pm

Anybody missing Marvin, I am. We did a defensive, rebounding SF. Marvin could have given us that and the occassional 20 point game every 4 to 5 games. We don’t miss his contract, but he would be a better option to no SF, Tolliver or DJames.

vava74

November 27th, 2012
2:28 pm

Anyone noticed the new mobile scheme for the blog page? Nifty looking but how do post on it?

Samurai Squirrel

November 27th, 2012
2:36 pm

Fantastic post, Astro Joe.

I guess I am kind of like LD in that I prefer a veteran (especially on the team the way it is currently assembled). I don’t think James would come in and provide anything we aren’t already getting out of our smaller guys playing the 3. Pietrus would be nice to have, but I can understand not wanting to have to pay him.

I will stick to my idea that Josh needs to be moved before this team will ever succeed.

vava74

November 27th, 2012
2:36 pm

As I said yesterday: ENCOURAGING but the soft schedule does not allow for a clear picture on where we are.

We haven’t played yet any of the hot teams.

We got a win in OKC in a fame they laid a major egg and just before Westbrook got his mojo going, won against the Clips, who in spite of talent are the Clips and coached by “Vinny-is-that-a-zone-D-or-not-and-if-so-what-shall-I-do?-Del Negro”…

Small sample. Soft Schedule. Encouraging but not much more than that.

vava74

November 27th, 2012
2:38 pm

MsDee

November 27th, 2012
2:47 pm

vava74,

Why dont u forget about how ’soft’ our schedule is and notice how well all our new pieces are coming along?? AND HOW FAST?? We played the Heat pretty darn well and pretty much could have won it if Josh didnt try to put on his Lebron impersonation. Had Drew sat his BUTT like he did the other night, MARK MY WORKS, THAT GAME WOULD HAVE BEEN WON!! But then again, u would have found SOME reason to say it was a floot since Wade didnt play that game..Am I right??

Grandad

November 27th, 2012
3:06 pm

Two comments or Three:

1. Irving out currently, cp is correct,
espn wishes to showcase the youngsters later on.

2. DJames is a Rebounder / Get Benson out of the conversation.
DJames has an NBA skill which we need, LD is not batting 1.000 !

3. I forgot.

Astro Joe

November 27th, 2012
3:15 pm

Grandad

November 27th, 2012
3:26 pm

observations …….

* LD is having a good yr,
so good, I may have to recant my 30 game prediction.
“I was wrong”

* from earlier blog; [Zaza] :
Stats don`t lie … Zaza is a starting quality Center.
He should get startre`s min.
His min. tend to fluxuate [inconsistent].

* Same for Ivan [see above]
Ivan can defend the [3] pos. (most cases).
Josh, KKorv, Ivan = excellent three man rotation @ the [3] pos.

* JJenkins needs to PLAY.

* I will give LD his due.
He is a solid NBA coach.
He may not be upper echelon, but neither is he lower tier.
As I said about LD previously; he continues to grow as a coach.
Also, he continues to drive me nuts, often !

* These Hawks are so much more fun to watch …
- minus -
… Iso Marv … !

* Go DFerry ……. I meant – GoHawks !

hfc95

November 27th, 2012
3:26 pm

I just wanted to give my input on a transaction that would benefit two franchises going forward, one being my beloved Hawks.

Devin Harris $8.5 million salary to MIL for Monta Ellis and his $11.5 million salary. This trade works for both teams financially because we also have that $1.375 million willie green trade exception.

How this benefits both teams..
Atl gets a BONAFIDE 20 ppg SG and he has a 11 million player option for next season that he will exercise if ATL were to get him. We start Teague and Ellis with Lou rotating in and that is the fastest quickest most athletic group rotating at PG and SG in the NBA.
MIL gets an expiring contract and we can even give MIL our 1st round pick because lets face it, we dont draft any
WIth Monta on our team we will get to the second round and I would rather have that then a 1st round exit and late first round pick anyway. Basically the timing is right and this would greatly benefit both franchises… Thoughts anyone? Or other interesting trades?one that can play right away anyway. MIL will be a lottery team and have an extra 1st to rebuild that team.

Grandad

November 27th, 2012
3:29 pm

@ 3:26 pm

Iso & Marv …….******* ……. not Iso Marv – for cryin` out loud !

Sameba

November 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

hfc95:

I actually was proposing Jennings, but Monta Ellis is also OK. However, why MIL would trade him? Especially considering the fact that Jennings was badly injured few days ago…