Hawks handle Kings … again
The Hawks ended a four-game road swing out West with a 112-96 win over the Kings – Atlanta’s ninth consecutive win against the Kings.
Kyle Korver scored 22 points, reserve Lou Williams had 21 and the Hawks beat Sacramento 112-96 on Friday night for their ninth consecutive win against the Kings.
Atlanta shot 55 percent, including an 8-for-15 performance from beyond the arc, while recording a season-high point total. The Hawks outrebounded the Kings 42-37 and had 24 assists.
“We can be a real up-and-down team, we know that,” Atlanta coach Larry Drew said. “We preach moving the basketball. We emphasize sharing the basketball and we did a really good job of that. Guys were finding each other all over the place and when we play like that we’re a fun team to watch.”
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Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
November 17th, 2012
12:56 pm
This year LD really wanted to start Devin Harris but Teague has outplayed him.
sameba
November 17th, 2012
12:58 pm
I thought Teager was responsible for Brooks 3pt barrage late in the second quarter…
sameba
November 17th, 2012
1:03 pm
But this should not be the reason to not play him for the ENTIRE second half.
O'Brien
November 17th, 2012
1:05 pm
AJ,
Only thing an NBA head coach has to use as leverage is playing time. How else would you address a TO every 4 minutes from your PG?.
So do you disregard the fact that your PG is also shooting 70% from the field?
We all can agree that LD hardly limits minutes for Josh, Al, Jamal (almost any other player) when they are playing terribly (and we have seen all those guys with 5+ turnovers). And although Teague had all those turnovers, he was your leading scorer, and it’s not like he was having a terrible game. He is still learning how to be aggressive and take care of the ball, and get others involved.
Plus if you look at the turnovers, I think they were mostly from him driving trying to get off a shot (ball slapped away), or trying to force the issue on the break (turnovers which you have said is not as bad if its from trying to play fast).
If Teague is your starting PG, I don’t see why LD can’t give him more minutes to see if he will play through it.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 17th, 2012
1:05 pm
LD …. HE IS WHAT WE THOUGHT HE WAS
Astro Joe
November 17th, 2012
1:18 pm
I’m talking about last night’s game… not the entirety of Teague’s career.
cdog
November 17th, 2012
1:20 pm
HEARD ABOUT THE TRADE RUMOR OF THE HAWKS AND LAKERS WITH KYLE KORVER AND JOSH SMITH GOING TO THE LAKERS FOR PAU GASOL..IT WOULD BE A GREAT TRADE FOR THE HAWKS IF THEY DON”T INCLUE KYLE KORVER IN THE DEAL.THROW SOMEONE ELSE WITH JOSH SMITH. AND THE HAWKS SHOULD GET SOMETHING IN RETURN EQUALY. 2 FOR 2 PLAYER DEAL.
Astro Joe
November 17th, 2012
1:23 pm
OB, what did it cost us last night? And doesn’t LD get criticsm for always focusing on scoring over other important aspects of the game? So FG% trumps TOs for a PG?
LD inserted Lou and he did a tremendous job running the point in the second half. Al got his touches, Josh got his touches, Korver stayed hot, the offense was cooking, TOs were low, the team won on the road comfortably… but LD gets the heat for not playing Teague after 5 TOs in 19 minutes. SMDH.
BIG DOG
November 17th, 2012
1:26 pm
CDOG, You must be and LA LAKERS FAN, I BE DAM
In what way will 32 years Gasol help the Hawks and your adding another Salary buster.
Danny is clearing cap space for SuperStar not a guy at the end of his career with no desire to play basketball.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
ag
November 17th, 2012
1:31 pm
AJ, if it is all about player development, why did he miss the 4th quarter in the last game? The man had 15 points in the first half. After about 5 games, JT0 was leading the team in scoring and assist. Since his time has consistanly be getting cut. I really believe they want to keep his nimbers down so he will not sign a big contract.
sameba
November 17th, 2012
1:33 pm
cdog, Hawks need Josh to lure Howard. And I think Lakers only want to get a profit from everyone. So leave the Lakers alone, let them fool someone else…
sameba
November 17th, 2012
1:42 pm
ag, Teager also allowed a few 3-pointers from Brooks (if I remember correctly it was 3 or 4). And this amounts to 9-12 points given away. The main problem of Teage is lack of concentration. In some moments he plays as a great star, but sometimes (less often lately) he is like a scrub. So he has to learn to be consistent all the time he is on the floor…
BIG DOG
November 17th, 2012
1:48 pm
Lakers screaming D12 all year long and guest what they get D12 for nothing,
Who did Lakers give up to get the best center in the league ?
Stop making the Lakers the best team in NBA, let them earn it like everybody else.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
MattP
November 17th, 2012
1:51 pm
sameba,
It is hard for a young guy to be consistent and learn when the coach hates him. Drew is constantly telling one thing and showing the other thing. He says he want Teague to attack, but when Teague does great at attacking he is the first one to be benched and comes out with a pass first type of play. Tell me why that is? Drew is mentally telling Teague that he wants him to change. Just about every game this season was that way. You can’t learn if the teacher “coach” is horrible and has no clue what he is doing.
Rusty
November 17th, 2012
1:59 pm
Astro,you are a fool that tries to find reasons for LD’s stupid behavior.
sameba
November 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
MattP:
Do you say that it is incorrect not to play Teague? So do I. Please read my post of 1:03 pm…
The point I was stressing was that one should not overrate (as well as underrate) any players contribution. E.g., it was Teague’s responsibility that at the end of the second quarter Brook hit several 3-pointers which resulted in Hawks loosing their lead. Therefore, I think it was a right decision (also taking into account 5 TO’s) to bench Teague at that moment. However, I repeat, he should definitely play in the second half.
sameba
November 17th, 2012
2:09 pm
And it seems Zaza’s play gets underrated as well. Zaza was able to contain that beast D.Cousins to only 9 points, scoring himself 7. Is not that great?
BIG DOG
November 17th, 2012
2:24 pm
Zaza starting at Center make this team better, he control the paint not letting teams dominate the boards like usual.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
sameba
November 17th, 2012
2:32 pm
BIG DOG:
Agreed, and in continuation to my previous posts: I am wondering is J. Thompson (Kings PF) a superstar? Or even a star? Why he should score 19 points on his All-Star counterpart? Not good…
MattP
November 17th, 2012
2:34 pm
sameba,
When I was taking about benching early was about him getting benched in the first. He only have 1 turnover, 6-7 shooting, 13 points. Every time Drew takes out Teague early in the first he almost always changes the way he plays. Also, not all the turnovers when he was brought back in were his fault. Do you think Brooks would not have made those 3s if someone else was guarding him? When someone is fast and shooting hot it is hard to stop them. If I am correct the thing that stopped Brooks was his Technical.
We are looking at to different pictures here, I am looking at the start of the game and you are looking at the 2nd half and on. But Like I said, the biggest problem with Teague’s inconsistency is Drew playing games with him. And Yes, Teague should have seen time in the 2nd half, would have been a good idea to try a Teague/Williams back court the 2nd half.
MattP
November 17th, 2012
2:36 pm
Ferry will need to get rid of Drew before the season if he wants any chance at big name FA this summer.
ATLien
November 17th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Teager also allowed a few 3-pointers from Brooks”
Our frontcourt allowed 19 & 10 to Jason Thompson….except I didn’t see Horford or Josh riding the pine for the last quarter and a half.
sameba
November 17th, 2012
2:46 pm
MattP:
I disagree with the part of your post concerning Brooks barrage – he had made 3 shots back-to-back and hat was Teagues responsibility. One can make 1 shot, even 2, but 3 all together?! When you say he would make it with someone else defending him… well, I would expect Teague to play high level D everytime he is on the floor. I wish him having great future and was very disappointed on his D at the end of second quarter.
LD’s substitution patters were discussed and are being discussed all the time here and I think this does not concern only Teague. And yes, I cosign with you on your 2:36 post.
Just the Facts Maám
November 17th, 2012
2:47 pm
The hawks do well against teams with weak centers or powerforwards masquerading as centers. Wins like this is a yarn for me. How boring. so you can beat another team that is weak at center. Gee….great.
Do that consistently against teams that have a center while leaving Josh at powerforward and get a real center to handle the post and I will be more excited.
This really is more of the Same old Bul l crap.
Rusty
November 17th, 2012
3:03 pm
There should not be any doubts on this blog that LD is always screwing with JT.
Astro Joe
November 17th, 2012
3:20 pm
Rusty, as tempted as I may be, I would never call someone a fool who criticizes a head coach after a team win (which I think is the objective) nor for fans who make little attempt to understand the head coach of their basketball team. Feel free to continue to scream at the sunshine after victories. And let me know how that works out for you.
Here’s a prediction, Teague won’t have anymore 5 TO games between nw and the ASG.
Rusty
November 17th, 2012
3:57 pm
Astro joe one game is meaniless in a whole nba season.we beat a lousy team last night. I already think that LD with his crazy substitutions has already caused the hawks games & this will continue to happen.
Rusty
November 17th, 2012
3:59 pm
Astro Joe I guess you don’t think that LD cost us a victory against the celts in the playoffs last season
kuhndog
November 17th, 2012
4:38 pm
JT played well early, and in the 3rd quarter made a few mistakes. He was sat in favor of Lou this ended up being the right choice by Ld we won. In the future if this circumstance came up again and Lou did not work out then I believe Ld will make the adjustment with JT. I am not trying to defend anyone but his subs. paid off. We saw more Ivan and less Tolliver, Harris was ineffective so he sat. I thought this was the right move in hind sight, they even showed JT on the bench on TV. Now will this mess with JT psyche mabe but he is a pro, he got paid either way. I like Jt and hope him and Lou could play on the court togeather.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 17th, 2012
4:53 pm
Teague missing the 4th quarter wasn’t a huge deal, because Lou was playing well. Teague getting pulled 8 minutes into the game when he was carrying the offense was idiotic. He should have played the entire first quarter.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 17th, 2012
4:55 pm
Put it this way — in the middle of the 4th quarter, when LD called a timeout as Sacramento made a little run, he came back out of the timeout leaving Lou in the game. Why? Because Lou had the hot hand and was making plays for himself and others. That was fine. So why shouldn’t the same apply to Teague 8 minutes into the game when he has the hot hand?
I don’t know LD so I won’t go as far as to say he hates Teague or whatever, but he clearly treats certain players differently for whatever reason. His job is to win games, and playing his 3rd best player as many minutes as possible gives him the best chance to do so.
Astro Joe
November 17th, 2012
5:04 pm
Rusty, LD is not a very good coach. At the same time, not every decision he makes is a bad decision. Not everu substitution is illogical and not every play call debateable. IMO, a TO every 4 minutes from your PG needs to be addressed m(immediately).
Regarding the Boston series, I am too old to remember the details of his coaching. It wouldn’t surprise me if he made some boneheaded decisions. At the same time, I never for a moment believed the Hawks were going to win that series.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
November 17th, 2012
5:38 pm
I’m sorry but i think the Hawks need to work that Josh Smith for Gasol trade. There is no guarantee Smoove signs with us after his contract expires and Gasol is a better basketball player.
drmaryb.(""_*).
November 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
The Will to Win!
The difference between Josh and Pau, besides the obvious age gap, is that Josh is hungry to win a championship versus Pau has already won a few. Fire and Desire is one intangible that I would hesitate to part with.
See Lamar Odom, who was forced in a trade to the reigning champions of Dallas and, just simply laid down like heart broken biatch. I say NO to Pau. Re-sign Josh!
drmaryb.(""_*).
November 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
* like A heart broken …
lewis
November 17th, 2012
6:30 pm
No one wants Josh to go. No one wants to see Josh get max money either.
Regards
Just Joe
November 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
Steve Kyler with some interesting tweets about Josh….”all parties say a new deal this summer is all but assured”.
Astro Joe
November 17th, 2012
7:01 pm
The new CBA rules strongly discourage any player who wants and will get a 5 year deal from leaving the incumbent team. Not only are the raises with the new team smaller but the new team can only offer a 4 year contract. IMO, it is the player who needs to make sure that he does what is needed to get that 5 year deal from his current team… it is his one path to a 5-year and more lucrative deal.
sameba
November 17th, 2012
7:38 pm
Citation from http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm:
“Steve Kyler: I have talked to Josh about his situation… he’s from Atlanta, wants to win in Atlanta and management has sold him Twitter @stevekylerNBA”
Can someone explain what all this means? I have no account at Twitter so cannot see if something else is written there…
Slim
November 17th, 2012
7:42 pm
It wasn’t teague’s turnovers, it was his defense. He let brooks get hot and he wasn’t stopping the ball, he scored but he didn’t defend.
ATLien
November 17th, 2012
7:44 pm
Close this blog, Big Ray just spelled out the plain truth of the matter, nothing left to discuss.
Buddy Grizzard
November 17th, 2012
7:55 pm
I want to know what happened to all the “Lou can’t play point guard” posters.
lewis
November 17th, 2012
7:57 pm
Slim,
No one on this team is playing defense right now.
Buddy Grizzard
November 17th, 2012
7:58 pm
“Can someone explain what all this means?”
Sameba, it means Josh wants to be here. He lives in L.A. in the offseason but he wants to play basketball and be successful in Atlanta. By getting rid of Joe’s contract, it clears the way for Josh to be the highest-paid player and centerpiece of the team. Instead of building around Joe, Danny Ferry decided to build around Josh. Josh likes that. If Kyler is correct, Smoove will be here for a long time. He doesn’t want to go out like Dominique.
Rusty
November 17th, 2012
8:00 pm
Slim was that the reason he pulled him out in the first quarter & kept him out for a large part of the second
sameba
November 17th, 2012
8:07 pm
Buddy Grizzard,
I did not know what words “and management has sold” meant. I thought they wanted to trade him. Thanks for your explanation.
Rally Rally
November 17th, 2012
8:16 pm
So Smoove come off the injury and Goes Plus +25 o/u shoots better than 50% for 19, dishes 6 assists pulls down 8 rbs and then dots his i with a bullseye 3? that’s my peep folks…. total game.
Shout out to the Z man who also went a Plus + 25 at the center spot.
If we can trade Al for a real center to complement Josh and Zaza in the front court. man… this team could go places. Of course we’d have to trade bone head teague too.
With Al and teague on this squad it reminds me… were never going to get of the the second round. twittle dumb and twittle dumber.
Rally Rally
November 17th, 2012
8:21 pm
“I can’t wait until we have a REAL coach. One that will take Teague to task, but also put him through the fire.” – Idiot
If we wait too much longer it’ll be time for teague to retire,
When does teague take responsibility for his own game? You know… man up? It not all those coaches fault teague is a scrub. Its not his teammates fault teague is a scrub. Hell its not even Rays fault teague is a scrub. Its teagues fault. he has had enough playing time and hes been ballin all his life. At this point he is what he is … a brain fart.
Blast
November 17th, 2012
8:38 pm
Drew sucks for not playing Jeff in second half of games. That dude is balling, man! He can at least play Jeff with Lou together! Harris is not bringing it at all.
Lakers trying to rob another team again. Gasol for Josh and Korver indeed. Now if they said Howard rather than Pau, then they might be talking. How many times have Lakers robbed teams? Shaq, Gasol, now Howard and Nash? And Lakers always get these stars for peanuts.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
November 17th, 2012
8:39 pm
The problem is Teague’s weaknesses are magnified and others are not. LD is quick to call out Teague but never calls out Horford or Josh Smith. Hell Smoove is still jacking up long jumpers and not passing to the guards on the break but LD ain’t trippin over it.
Just like I said Teague saved LD’s azz last year. He raised his level of play at the point guard position and was one of the main reasons we got a number 4 seed last year.
LD needs to start appreciating what Teague brings to the table because next year he might be gone.