C-Viv on hiatus

Vivlamore reporting.

Sorry folks, but I will be off for another week as part of a vacation planned before I took the Hawks beat. This time, I won’t be able to check in during my break.

I will be celebrating the 50th wedding anniversary of my wonderful parents Clarence and Dianne, enjoying Thanksgiving and taking my daughter on her first college visit. I appreciate your understanding. I assure you this will be it for the season – time off at Christmas has been postponed until after the basketball season.

I’ll leave you in good hands. MC Cunningham will return to help as will Doug Roberson and the great Carroll Rogers.

I will post a feature story I have written on DeShawn Stevenson (teaser: he wears SpongeBob socks) that will appear in the Thanksgiving Day edition of the AJC.

Thanks again!

- Chris Vivlamore

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vava74

November 16th, 2012
12:19 am

From Previous Blogs (not quite the last):

AJ,

I think I debated with you that I thought that Josh did not have the irrational confidence that Lou has.

I have stated repeatedly that Josh over things his shots, that he doubts himself during games but still shoots them due to his desire to “be the man” and that I thought that this mind set is quite different from “irrational confidence”.

Here is an extract from an exchange of messages @ peachtreehoops which came after a very interesting blog entry about Korver and Morrow’s shooting drills after practice and that in the “debate” area went also into the Lou/Deshawn/Teague shooting competition:

“… Also, off topic, what is Josh doing during these shooting drills? Is he working with the bigs? If he is going to take so many j’s he should be with the shooters some don’t you think?”

by Sultanofatl on Nov 15, 2012 1:40 PM PST reply actions

“… And as for Josh, he shoots after practice (I know this will get bad reaction) on the same half as Lou/DeShawn/Jeff, but rotating the opposite direction (they go around the horn, he starts on left, them on the right) and has to make 3/5 3s from each of the 5 spots in a row or start over. He shoots well in practice/post-practice. I think it’s a mental thing with him in games. Over-thinks his shot. In practice he looks much more fluid with his stroke compared to the overly-mechanical slow shot in games.”

by Robby Kalland on Nov 15, 2012 2:02 PM PS

vava74

November 16th, 2012
12:27 am

I think Josh has very serious mental/confidence issues, issues which could be corrected with proper coaching and counselling.

Basically there is a huge gap between Josh’s ACTUAL confidence on his shot (LOW) and Josh’s desire to do well and hit crucial buckets (ULTRA HIGH) which leads him to perform poorly and against what should be his better judgement.

That is why I always thought that it was a good thing to give him the #1 status since there is a good chance that he will:

a) Either come out of the mental slump, relax and start to hit his shots at a much higher clip;
or
b) Finally realize that he can’t continue to shoot those shots.

I am sure that Josh is perfectly aware, maybe even too aware, of his own low shooting % from away from the basket but is stubbornly but not out of confidence, trying to fight through.

Josh needs a stabilizing and respectable coach to be on his hear, not that dimwit we have who is basically a walking chatterbox spewing inconsequential phrases on and on, most of the time in direct opposition to his own practice.

2 FOR JOHN DREW

November 16th, 2012
12:27 am

C-VIV go get you some well deserved R & R ….. Wishing you & your family a Happy Thanksgiving

Buddy Grizzard

November 16th, 2012
12:39 am

“time off at Christmas has been postponed until after the basketball season.”

Christmas in May? Haha… have a good vacation C-Viv.

Buddy Grizzard

November 16th, 2012
12:44 am

Jannero Pargo got cut by the Washington Wizards. Think about that. This guy is so sorry he can’t make the rotation for a winless team missing its starting point guard. And yet Larry Drew played him IN THE PLAYOFFS ahead of the current starting point guard for the Chicago Bulls. Think about it.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
12:54 am

Buddy,

Get ready for him to be signed if Devin remains injured :-D

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:14 am

I know that there will be harping about being a Josh apologist, but if you check the game flows on popcornmachine.net, you’ll see that even on games in which had a bad overall shooting night, he has put good numbers across the board – even on shooting – during the 4th quarter.

Obviously, this is not true on ALL games (LAC) but, going from the GS game backwards:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20121114&game=ATLGSW

8 points on 3/5FG 2/2 FT 3 rebounds (1 off), 2 asts, 1 foul (± of +8)

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:15 am

At Portland:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20121112&game=ATLPOR

5 points, on 2/7FG 1/1FT 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 1PF, 1 TO (bad shooting compensated by clutch passing)

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:17 am

Against the Clippers he was horrible, but so were everyone else.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20121111&game=ATLLAC

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:19 am

Against MIA, his problem – seriously hindering our chances – were his FT:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20121109&game=MIAATL

4 points on 2/3FG 0/3FT, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:22 am

Against IND:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20121107&game=INDATL

0 points on 0/2FG, 2 rebounds (1off) , 3 assists, 1 TO again, his passing compensated for bad shooting (± of +15).

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:23 am

Against OKC he did not play.

Against HOU:

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20121102&game=HOUATL

8 points on 4/6FG 0/1 3pt, 3 rebounds, 1 PF (± of 0)

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:25 am

Forgot to post ± stat relating to the following games:

MIA (-1)

LAC (-14)

POR (+7)

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:32 am

And everyone should also look at the HV column, which presents a “help value” stat is comprises:

rebounds+assists+steals+blocks – turnovers

Josh posts stellar numbers basically almost every single game:

HOU: 10
OKC: DNP
IND: 12
MIA: 9
LAC: 10
POR: 14
GS: 16

This is not an exercise to apologise Josh, just an exercise to show how much he brings to the table and how impactful his game is, even with his negative quirks, and how much he could bring to the table under proper guidance and coaching.

We desperately need a decent coach here, that’s my point.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
1:35 am

More on the subject (Josh’ mental block whilst shooting) @ peachtreehoops on that thread about KK and AM.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 16th, 2012
1:40 am

I respect anyone who recognizes the greatness of Spongebob. Props to DeShawn Stevenson.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
2:11 am

Najeh,

I am with you. DeShawn is surprising me positively in many fronts!

Buddy Grizzard

November 16th, 2012
2:39 am

Buddy Grizzard

November 16th, 2012
3:46 am

Harrison Barnes, career night vs. Hawks. Hawks: no small forward on roster. Coincidence?

vava74

November 16th, 2012
4:43 am

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22012&split=9&team=Hawks

Free the bearded goons!

Let’s start:

Teague, Deshawn, Ivan, Josh, Horford

And re-sign Damion James, he had a nice beard too and was one of the ± leaders in the pre-season.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
4:46 am

For the lazy ± stat extracted from nba . com:

Player Team + – ± min G
D. Stevenson Hawks 367 -354 13 173:49 6
I. Johnson Hawks 122 -109 13 67:11 6
J. Jenkins Hawks 11 -4 7 3:48 1
J. Teague Hawks 391 -384 7 200:46 7
K. Korver Hawks 376 -372 4 193:58 7
Jo. Smith Hawks 422 -419 3 215:55 6
M. Scott Hawks 19 -17 2 7:21 2
A. Morrow Hawks 95 -94 1 54:32 4
J. Petro Hawks 5 -10 -5 5:02 1
D. Harris Hawks 205 -218 -13 112:37 6
A. Horford Hawks 394 -408 -14 206:16 6
A. Tolliver Hawks 188 -206 -18 103:24 7
L. Williams Hawks 298 -318 -20 160:39 7
Z. Pachulia Hawks 322 -352 -30 174:37 7

vava74

November 16th, 2012
4:47 am

If you go on the site, you’ll see that:

Lou has been great at home and terrible away
Horford has been great away and awful at home

vava74

November 16th, 2012
5:03 am

For the curious:

JJ has been shooting poorly for the Nets, but he has the highest ± of the team @ +56 (funny enough, he is followed by Stackhouse with +51)

AND

Marvin Williams is also leading the Jazz on the ± department with +26 with Millsap coming second with +19.

I think that this data is a testament of their unspectacular but solid defence.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
5:12 am

And Jamal is on fire with the Clippers, posting a ± of +62!

It seems that finally working on his shot over the summer is really paying off. It’s kind of sad at the same time that a guy so talented apparently only “got it” at the age of 32 and after 12 years in the league…

Talent can only take you so far. You have to work to extract the most out of the talent.

Kobe is and MJ was, for instance, workaholic to lunacy levels.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
5:19 am

Hinrich is posting a respectable +26, good for 4th in the Bulls.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
5:20 am

Alonzo Gee which was a blog favourite here (as a targeted SF) is second in the Cavs with +21

vava74

November 16th, 2012
5:35 am

Kaman is leading Dallas with +55

Brewer is third with Denver with +17

Delfino is leading Houston with +39

Kobe is leading the Lakers with +89!!! Gasol +83, Metta +66, Blake +39, Howard +13

Ellington leads MEM with +77

Bosh leads MIA with +51, Chalmers +35, Battier +27 (Ray Allen is last with -12)

Dunleavy leads MIL with +59

Barea leads MIN with +51, AK47 trails him with +32 and Pekovic and Budinger +29

Chandler leads NYK with +77 (Anthony +64, Felton +62)

K.Mart leads OKC with +61 (Durant +53, Collison +38, Westbrook +29)

Nicholson (on limited minutes) leads ORL with +11

Aldridge and Mathews lead POR with +26

Leonard leads SAN with +40 (Blair +34, Ginobili +33, Duncan +26)

Pargo was not that bad for WAS, fifth with -6 with Ariza bottoming out at -61

vava74

November 16th, 2012
5:44 am

Buddy,

Harrison Barnes is last on the GSW on the ± stat.

Buddy Grizzard

November 16th, 2012
6:25 am

Yeah Vava… I think Barnes could be another Marvin Williams. What better team to have a career game against than a team that has zero players who play your position? Being guarded by shooting guards will pump up any small forward’s stats.

Buddy Grizzard

November 16th, 2012
7:24 am

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO about 4 hours ago

D-Wade’s value on the decline. Heat need to think about keeping LeBron after 2014. Kings would mortgage farm for Wade. Hawks might too.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2CO6HfVjj

1. The Jenkins pick was bad

2. Not acquiring a small forward before the start of the season was worse

3. I hope Danny Ferry isn’t stupid enough to trade for a broke down Dwayne Wade.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

November 16th, 2012
7:46 am

Hey I’m late on this but I could not let it pass.

Samuel
November 16th, 2012
6:04 am

Woody=undefeated

————————————————————————————————————————————————-

This dude been M.I.A for a year and now wants to come back when his beloved Woody is having some early season success. Woody could not get the Hawks out of the first round of the playoffs and probably won’t get the Knicks out.

High-sider

November 16th, 2012
8:01 am

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde,

“…Woody could not get the Hawks out of the first round of the playoffs and probably won’t get the Knicks out.” – Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde, November 16th, 2012, @7:46 am

2009 First Round NBA Playoffs:

Hawks defeat Heat, 4 – 3.

2010 First Round NBA Playoffs:

Hawks defeat Bucks, 4 – 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/

vava74

November 16th, 2012
8:21 am

Clyde,

What you meant to say was “0-8 second round record”.

57 STATES

November 16th, 2012
8:22 am

we sure could use Marvin.
that was one bad trade.
Fairy is 50% on trades. 1 good 1 bad.
we’ll see what the next one brings.

Sam

November 16th, 2012
8:33 am

I swear Lou Williams puts up 8 dumb shots for every 2 good shots he takes. He pounds the ball (just like Joe Johnson) and always ends up having to shoot some kind of crazy fall-away shot with 2 or 3 seconds left on the clock. YOU ARE A POINT GUARD – PASS THE BALL!!

vava74

November 16th, 2012
8:38 am

Sam,

Lou is not a PG.

It’s on LD to play him where he can be effective, as an undersized super scoring SG off the bench for 25 minutes.

He is doing the same cr@p he did with Jamal which minimized his strengths and maximized his weaknesses.

This comes with the added problem of Teague playing less minutes when he has been mostly solid if not even spectacular in some cases.

Just Joe

November 16th, 2012
8:49 am

No way the Marvin trade was bad. Take a look at how next summer looks if Marvin had stayed (estimated salaries):

Horford $12M
Marvin $8M
Williams $5M
Jenkins $1M
Teague’s rights $7M
Josh’s rights $15M
Waive the rights to all other free agents & you’ve got less than $10M to spend.

Not being on the hook for Marvin just opens up so many more opportunities. I will gladly watch this team for a year without a true SF if it means being able to trade “air” and draft picks for 90% of the players in the league (talking about the ability to make a trade, not the availability of any players), or sign 99% of the available free agents (there will probably only be 2 that will command a salary of $18M or more). Marvin was just getting in the way of progress.

Sam

November 16th, 2012
8:52 am

For the amount of time that Williams plays, the number of shots he takes is amazing! He is averaging around 12 shots per game in about twice that many minutes per game. Perhaps he should swing the ball and get the ball to Korver, who is shooting a much better percentage.

Josh is taking about 18 shots per game… and most of those are long jumpers from outside the paint. 2, 3, or 4 from outside the paint is fine, but his skills are not top notch in that area. Concentrating on what he is good at (defense, rebounding, putbacks, and dunks) would make him a star. Think Scottie Pippen, not Lebron James or Michael Jordan.

tjhook

November 16th, 2012
9:08 am

Just bring back Damien James, have him split time with Korver and play Josh at the 4 please. Everybody else can play around this grouping. You want James for 1) moving to basket without the ball 2) offensive rebounding and 3) perimeter D so Josh can focus on playing D (help D) in the post.

ag

November 16th, 2012
9:20 am

Sam, Lou is a SG. LD is playing him at PG

MsDee

November 16th, 2012
9:22 am

After reading some posts and realizing that Josh WILL be a free agent next year, Ferry needs to really consider NOW about replacing Drew!! No need to keep a coach who WILL NOT be returning next season WHILE having a guy like Josh being able to walk next season as well. Josh, like I said, has ALL potential in the world but does NOT have a coach who can control him in the way that is beneficial for him and the team. Someone made a great point about Lou. How does this guy comes from Philly averaging great numbers last season from a well respected coach JUST to come here and his numbers DROP greatly while having a NOT-SO respected coach? Danny, its not a difficult decision to make..LET DREW GO, NO ONE WILL BE MAD AT CHA!!

ag

November 16th, 2012
9:23 am

tjhook, I agree. Bring James back. I did not see that one coming. I should have once LD started cutting down his minutes. I doubt anyone of us would have blogged one thing if Tolliver was cut. They same way nobody cared that Anderson was cut.

vava74

November 16th, 2012
9:41 am

MsDee,

It’s been a long time since I said co-sign to something you posted! The moment is NOW: CO-SIGN

JMARABLE

November 16th, 2012
9:55 am

Josh has a very low basketball IQ he does not know when to pass the ball, he wants to bring the ball up court like a point guard and his handle is not that good. His jump shot is a set shot and its not very good but he takes them anyway at the wrong time. sometimes he shoots it when he has a clean drive down the lane to the basket. Just not a smart ball player. talented not smart = great stats but costly mistakes.

Sam

November 16th, 2012
9:58 am

Lou cannot play SG b/c he can’t guard my grandma. The Hawks do not have any big point guards they can pair him with so he CAN play SG insofacto he is stuck playing PG.

Sam

November 16th, 2012
10:01 am

As I have said 10 million times, signing Damion James is not going to help this team. If he had any NBA skills, someone would have signed him the moment the Hawks cut him. If no one else wants him, why should we keep him?

Now, signing Michael Peitrus would be a different story…

Astro Joe

November 16th, 2012
10:16 am

Hawks are 10th in points allowed and 22nd in points scored. While James will surely help them with their 28th ranking in rebounds… scoring is a bigger requirement than grabbing defensive rebounds.

At the risk of breaking the blog rules and complementing the coaching staff, the fact thatthis roster is allowing the 10th lowest points in the league is quite remarkable. I can’t help but wonder if Lester Connor is an underrated defensive guru who will be lauded if he gets a chance to be the defensive coordinator for a brand name team… while producing the same results he has with the last 2 Hawks squads.

brigadierjerry

November 16th, 2012
10:24 am

i dont expect much from the hawks until ld is gone. i have already voiced my displeasure of him as a coach and unil that happens hawks will be up and down all year. some of his moves are of the stuck on stupid variety. it not worth getting mad over it anymore,that is why i rarely post aymore. will be happy when he is gone. i just hope mike brown doesnt become the next coach for the hawks.

Astro Joe

November 16th, 2012
10:33 am

vava, Josh wants to be an All-Star. He wants national recognition that he is among the elite players in the league. He wants to stick it to Jay Bilas, Hubie Brown, Woody and every other detractor in his NBA career. He wants to stick it to Joe Johnson for being too accepting of losses while earning more money than Josh. He wants to stick it to Marvin for being a #2 pick heralded as the next great thing and drafted the year after Josh (as a potential competitor). He wants to have his moment in the spotlight, be lauded and appreciated. He wants his vanity fed.

IMO, he knows the difference between “basketball right and wrong”. But his vanity sometimes overtakes his mental resolve. He is a victim of the human condition. “For what I do is not the good I want to do, no, the evil I do not want to do this I keep on doing”.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

November 16th, 2012
10:37 am

Josh has a very low basketball IQ he does not know when to pass the ball, he wants to bring the ball up court like a point guard and his handle is not that good. His jump shot is a set shot and its not very good but he takes them anyway at the wrong time. sometimes he shoots it when he has a clean drive down the lane to the basket. Just not a smart ball player. talented not smart = great stats but costly mistakes.
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