Atlanta Hawks: Warriors 92, Hawks 88

Vivlamore reporting from Oakland.

The Hawks, minus Al Horford, had little inside presence against the Warriors. It showed – on the scoreboard and in the stat sheet.

The Warriors handed the Hawks a 92-88 defeat Wednesday night at the Oracle Arena. Horford, the Hawks starting center, leading scorer and rebounder, was unable to play due to a stomach illness that has swept through the team on their West coast trip. Also unable to play was guard Devin Harris. Two days earlier, against the Trail Blazers, Josh Smith and Lou Williams played despite suffering from the ailment.

A look inside the numbers showed where Wednesday’s game went wrong for the Hawks. They were bettered in these key areas thanks, in large part, to the Warriors’ dribble penetration:

* Total rebounds: 44-29

* Defensive rebounds: 34-24

* Points in the paint: 46-20

* Second-chance points: 14-4

“We definitely could have used Al, without a doubt,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “He’s a big piece to what we do. We certainly could have used him tonight. As you know, this league is about guys not being able to play, whether its illness or injury, and you have to step up.”

The Hawks (3-4) are now 1-2 on the road trip which ends Friday against the Kings. Despite trailing by as many as 13 points in the fourth quarter, after a miserable third quarter, the Hawks made the game interesting with a late run. Williams hit three straight 3-pointers, the last with 11.2 seconds remaining, to make it 90-88. However, Jarrett Jack sank a pair of free throws to seal the victory.

After the deficit reached 13 points, the Hawks went on an 11-4 run to close within four points. Ivan Johnson came off the bench to score 15 points, eight in the final quarter, in Horford’s absence. The Hawks could never make up the entire deficit.

“We’ve got to get this bug away from our team,” said Kyle Kover, who had 14 points, all in the first half. “It’s holding everybody down right now. I thought Ivan had a really great night. Obviously, his minutes have been up and down. He’s been working hard on his game. Tonight he got his opportunity and he took advantage of it.”

The Warriors (4-4) snapped a two-game losing streak. While Drew was concerned with Stephen Curry (12 points) and Klay Thomspon (seven), the Hawks got beat by another tandem. Harrison Barnes had 19 points and 13 rebounds and David Lee had 18 points and 10 rebounds. Barnes’ dunk of a missed shot in the third quarter, with three Hawks standing underneath the basket, typified the evening.

Williams led the Hawks with 18 points. Smith added 16 points, 10 rebounds, four assists, three steals and two blocks.

Despite the poor shooting in the decisive quarter, several Hawks players, notably Smith and Williams, were clearly frustrated with the issues on defense. The main problem was stopping the Warriors’ attack, according to Smith.

“Dribble penetration,” Smith said of the source of frustration. “We have to do a better job of playing on the perimeter. When people get into our paint, bigs are forced to help and contest shots. Normally when we take the challenge defensively on the perimeter and play with a chip on our shoulders I think that we are a good basketball team. We have to do that on a consistent basis.

“We have to focus more. We’ve been having some third-quarter letdowns. We wanted to do some policing and get guys focused on the task. We have a lot of guys who can score the ball offensively extremely well but we have to be able to sit down on the defensive end and take that challenge.”

The Warriors took a lead they wouldn’t relinquish with 1:21 remaining in the first quarter, 22-21. Their advantage ballooned in the third when the Hawks shot a miserable 31.6 percent (6 of 19), 71-60.

Zaza Pachulia, who started in place of Horford, missed time in the first half after receiving a laceration above his right eye that required five stitches.

“It was a combination of things,” Drew said of the frustrations. “They recognized the breakdown. I like the fact that they showed some concern about that. A breakdown from dribble penetration, where bigs have to help. The ball goes up on the glass now there is nobody to block their bigs out. Not getting into our stuff quick enough. Not setting screens. Not getting a body on rebounding. I like it when they can keep it among themselves and talk about it. Frustration is going to set in. It’s an emotional game. We came out of that (fourth-quarter) timeout and we got back to playing our brand of basketball.”

It was just a little too late.

- Chris Vivlamore

220 comments Add your comment

Mookie Blaylock

November 15th, 2012
2:38 am

Guys, it’s time to blow this ALL the way up and get rid of Al and Josh too. Too many of our fans (and the media for a very short while) have overrated our teams and players over the past few years. Everything was cool when we were that hip, 8th seeded “young team” that almost upset Boston. We added a few pieces and became a top 4, top 5 East team. People (even the media) bought into the hype of this “young nucleus of talent” on the rise. Remember all the “hawks are on the verge of becoming one of the Elite teams” talk? It never happened. What was some of the overrated drivel?

“This is a top 5 young core in the NBA…we just need a deeper bench/PG/scorer off the bencj”
“Joe Johsnon is a super star, dont worry he’s an allstar every year”
“Horford is a real all star in this league”
“Josh Smith is about to have a break out season and finally become an all star”

Still could never get over the hump with our overrated players.

We’ve got rid of Joe and Marvin, and It’s still annoying to see people going on and on about how great “stat sheet filler/about to have a break out all star season” Josh Smith and “All NBA/All Star” Al Horford…..KNOWING these bums arent going to get us anywhere.

GET RID OF THEM. Maybe Ferry cant work out deals that still field us a competitive playoff team, but MY GOD if it isn’t annoying to hear people rave about our “all star front court” and they still put GARBAGE out there o the floor.

prison mike

November 15th, 2012
2:41 am

Ninja behind Bob and Nique with the heavy Oakland accent:

“IS THAT HOW YOU FEEL LOU”
“PICK YA SWAGGER UP, YALL HAVE SWAGGER LIKE A LOSING TEAM”
“STEPH YOU SUCK, BARNES IS THE HOTTEST THING RIGHT NOW”
something-something “ATL SHAWTY”

Paraphrasing Bob – “this guy was been yapping the entire game, my god give it a rest”

Too funny.

Spyro

November 15th, 2012
2:45 am

This sums up the game pretty well on an individual level: http://hawkshoop.com/recap-hawks-88-warriors-92/

Mookie Blaylock

November 15th, 2012
3:04 am

We waited and waited for the Josh/Al/Joe/Marvin “core” to take us to that next level as an elite Eastern Conf team. Many Hawks fans fed themselves lies and exaggerations to make them feel better about the chance actually happening, even after it was apparent for a 2 years or so that it just wasnt going to happen

Now we have to go through the post-Joe era listening to all the crap about how this is Josh and Al’s time to take over and dominate. Our 2 All Star front court guys leading the new look hawks!!!

Yeah. with Al’s soft, timid play and Josh’s wild, uncontrollable “I’m going to beat guys off the dribble doing crossovers and taking long jump shots” style. Get out of here. It’s not going to work, blow it ALL up.

Ditokushatl

November 15th, 2012
4:00 am

Jeff Teague has 2 play 30 plus mis a game and Ivan Johnson needs 2 be in our regular rotation

Ditokushatl

November 15th, 2012
4:00 am

Jeff Teague has 2 play 30 plus mins a game and Ivan Johnson needs 2 be in our regular rotation

tyger

November 15th, 2012
4:16 am

10 observations:

1. Hawks w/o Horford/Harris ($20M+) tonight…
2. Teague laying bricks again…
3. Hawks moist…more Ivan please…

4. Hawks need true SF…Damion James???
5. Didnt Harrison Barnes look good?…
6. Petro is worthless…buyout pls…oh I forgot….

7. Why no backup Center?
8. Stevenson over McGrady? C’mon man!
9. Korver rehab 50%…great 1st half…
10. Morrow cant defend…

Pietrus, Kenyon Martin, Josh Howard, Eddie Curry
Dampier, Damion James, Dwight Gooden
Fesenko

vava74

November 15th, 2012
4:30 am

Mookie,

The core was good. Very good, IMO, however, very poorly coached.

Woody did a very good job in the regular season, but his inability to delegate X’s and O’s – relying exclusively on ISO plays with flawed players executing those ISO plays (JJ is a very good player but not ISO-reliable against playoff defenses and Jamal is ON-OFF offensively and a liability on D) – and his inability to develop talent and gamble a bit with rookies, was exposed in the playoffs.

Then, we went with this sorry excuse of an HC which, although able to competently draw offensive plays and possessing a decent X’s and O’s knowledge, has no clue on how to set rotations, reward hustle, discipline the roster, make in game and between games adjustments.

justin

November 15th, 2012
6:45 am

Mookie, did you even read the article. AL HORFORD DIDN’T EVEN PLAY. So why are you harping about Al and Josh in the 2nd week of the season after a game in which Al didn’t even play. And they lost by 4 points. Nobody is pretending this is a championship team. But if Al had played, this game goes in the win column. Most teams in the NBA would love to have a front court featuring two players of the caliber of Josh and Al. If you want to harp about something, let’s talk about how there’s not a viable SF on the roster and we’re loaded with small guards.

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vava74

November 15th, 2012
6:47 am

Did not watch the game but…

… anyone can explain me why LD played Teague so few minutes and featured Lou at the PG slot?

I would imagine that it would have been better if we had Teague – Lou on the floor in order to “go small but good” rather than rolling out that useless combo of Petro-Tolliver plus what seems to be a very wet behind the ears Scott (who I have been told was pretty bad defensively)?

Specially since Teague has been playing so well and even having decisive 4th quarters and Lou is clearly not a PG.

northcyde

November 15th, 2012
7:11 am

@ Mookie

One of the biggest issues now, is that when the “core” had value, we didn’t try to move them for better players or multiple draft picks. We re-signed EVERYBODY from JJ down to Zaza and Marvin. We even re-signed Bibby.

Re-signing the top guys didn’t hurt us more than re-signing all of those fringe guys. Then add the fact that we didn’t develop ANY draft pick after Horford, or we simply traded the pick away for a “past his prime” vet.

People celebrate the JJ trade. But when the only thing you get is “cap space” for a player of that caliber, and nothing of substance, the move will end up being anti-climactic at best.

The top stars in the league aren’t coming to a team that is in full rebuild or deconstruction. So that “cap space” is only going to buy us marginal or unwanted players. They won’t be garbage type players. But they also won’t be franchise caliber players either.

Hopefully Smith doesn’t continue to play like this. Because if he does, he’ll decrease his trade value significantly. And my fear is if the Hawks continue to be this 2007 like team that is up and down like a roller coaster, the fans will turn on Smith. And that will prompt Smith to not even want to come back. At that point, we’re going to lose him for little or nothing.

So that would be 2 “core” members that we basically lost for nothing. Even the Marvin for Harris deal is looking like a wash now, which is incredible.

northcyde

November 15th, 2012
7:15 am

And yes . . we didn’t develop Teague.

Teague just got lucky that Hinrich got hurt. Because had he not gotten hurt, Hinrich would’ve started most of the season last year at the point, with Teague backing him up. Drew had no intention of playing that dude significant minutes, until he pretty much HAD to.

Unfortunately, it may take a significant injury to Josh Smith for Ivan to finally get the minutes that he deserves. The same goes for John Jenkins. Lou Williams may have to go down, in order for Jenkins to finally get a chance to prove he can be an asset to this team.

W.R. Terrell

November 15th, 2012
7:21 am

Well we play Sacramento Friday. I will watch the game and by the end of the 2nd quarter will gear up for another disappointing loss. I think LD will be gone soon, someone needs to get a handle on the “Smoove”, he hasn’t shot near 40% since the season started in any game and he’s the so-called SUPERSTAR. Al may play soft as many suggest but a decent coach could change that.
The rookies need playing time, the team will perform better for it and some of the starters may need a lil pine time. Ivan hustles and plays a true asset.
I can deal with the HAWKS losing in a productive way as in develop the young talent and dump the foolishness. Ferry will make the right calls, it’s all about evaluation at the moment, we just need to tuff it out and accept that this season is over and prepare for a brighter future. By the way if the HAWKS do win friday and the “Smoove” has an outstanding game don’t get caught up in buying “FOOLS Gold”.

northcyde

November 15th, 2012
7:21 am

@ justin

We didn’t have Al . . they didn’t have Andrew Bogut.

If we can’t be the damn Warriors without them having Bogut, it shows you how up and down this team will be most of the year.

The Warriors had 23 turnovers and only score 92 points . . and we still lose, despite getting a great game from Ivan and Korver?

Not good.

vava74

November 15th, 2012
7:52 am

northcyde,

“Even the Marvin for Harris deal is looking like a wash now, which is incredible.”

Not in a million years. Marvin was too expensive for his production, so even if Harris continues to bomb and we cannot move him for other players or picks, we will have cap room to sign someone at Marvin’s level (not difficult) BUT for less than the 7/8 million he would still be earning next year.

So, there is a clear $$ saving and added flexibility. That deal WILL NEVER be a wash, even if Devin broke both legs later today getting off the bus.

Ra'mon

November 15th, 2012
8:20 am

Guys, sorry, but this was more about perimeter defense than inside rebounding numbers. Josh grabbed double digit rebounds. And as Astro has said many times, LD doesn’t focus on offensive rebounds in an attempt to get back on defense, ESPECIALLY against a team like Golden State. The guards and small forward not blocking out, or not moving their feet quick enough were what hurt us the most. Josh had a bad shooting night. However, I saw 4-6 shots of Josh’s roll out of the rim from under the basket. This wasn’t a game where he was forcing jumpers. Instead he was driving a lot, and kicking out to the open man. However, the open players weren’t making their shots.

I am STILL trying to see why LD finds minutes for Tolliver game after game. Tolliver was supposed to stretch the floor for his position and play good defense. However, I rarely recall seeing him make the open jumpers he gets. So if he’s brought in for shooting, and isn’t shooting, shouldn’t he be released or bench? James’ skill (rebounding and hustle) is a skill that isn’t streaky. Either Ferry or LD blew this, especially when you consider there is still no true small forward on this team. Barnes had such a good game on the boards because there is no true wing on this roster.

Hawker2

November 15th, 2012
8:25 am

no big deal–with Horford, the hawks would have won this game easily.

CamiloAtlanta

November 15th, 2012
8:33 am

Gonna be a helluva long year. But, good luck and good riddance Joe.

Ra'mon

November 15th, 2012
8:35 am

I’m not positive the Hawks would’ve won this game with Horford. The problem wasn’t the post. The main problem was the 4 Mike Bibby’s the Hawks had playing defense in the back court last night. There is NO reason that Teague shouldn’t be a shut down PG in this league with his speed and athleticism. If healthy, I would take Iman Shumpert over Teague every day of the week. Because I know Shumpert is going to come out and try to dominate every game. Teague isn’t better than Shumpert nor Avery Bradley to me. Yes, Teague had some steals in the first half, but those were from BAD PASSES and playing the passing lanes. Allen Iverson used to be in top 3 in steals every year, but was terrible on one on one defense. And it seems Teague is trying to follow in those foot steps. If Teague was a PEST for opposing offenses every night, he would NEVER have to worry about being benched at the end of the game. I can’t stand to see players with the talent not give the will it takes to make them great.

You have LD playing Josh out of position at SF, so that Josh is tired from chasing on the wing. And you have Al playing PF where he’s too slow to box out quicker forwards. And you have Teague not giving it his all on defense. Two of those issues are LD’s fault. But the Teague issue is TEAGUE’s responsibility to correct. Where is Royal Ivey when you need him?

Rod from College Park

November 15th, 2012
8:36 am

Jamal is MVP

Josh deserves a $300 million/10 year extension. He does nothing wrong

Westurd

November 15th, 2012
8:42 am

Hawks. Man, what’s left to write. Got my tickets for the season, will continue to support, but man com’mon. Our biggest move needs to be made with LD. Sund for Ferry was a huge upgrade. Now we need to upgrade to a no nonsense coach and the effect will trickle down. It will be a long season.

Westurd

November 15th, 2012
8:45 am

The body language of this team during the game and especially during timeouts is disgusting. Josh is begining to seem like a cancer with his teamate’s. I love Josh, but he comes across as a very negative presence on the court and there is not doubt is rubs off on others. As Josh goes, so goes the Hawks. Bleeh!

Double Zero Eight

November 15th, 2012
8:46 am

Same old team…….mired in mediocrity.
The Hawks will finish slightly over .500.

northcyde

November 15th, 2012
8:47 am

Ra’mon . . Josh was 2 – 8 FG on shots from 17 feet and out. He took 16 shots.

So 1/2 of his shots were long jumpers.

When is it going to stop?

ag

November 15th, 2012
8:48 am

Per unusual, a lot of blame for different reason. Enough blame for Josh, Teague, LD and even AL (even though he did not play). I think basketball is played better when the guys know there roles. I can’t understand why my starting PG does not play in the 4th quarter. I don’t know of any Hawk who was not struggling from the field.

We have two big holes we need to feel. A defensive stopper at SF (sorry, it is not Stevenson), and a backup center.

Jordan Rules

November 15th, 2012
8:49 am

Let’s see… horford has flu & sits out. Michael Jordan had flu & 104 temperature and scored 63 on Jazz in playoffs… Man up Horford !

northcyde

November 15th, 2012
8:50 am

Never thought I’d hear the day when excuses were made for not beating Golden State, of all teams.

And they didn’t have Bogut either, and they still beat us.

And everybody is a major culprit, but Josh.

sirluciouscp

November 15th, 2012
8:55 am

Biggest problem is coach doesn’t know who to play.

DS

November 15th, 2012
8:55 am

Lou is a worse defender than Bibby and JC. We should try Ivan at the 3, at least once and see how it goes. The main problem yesterday was coaching, LD has to go, I really hope Ferry is watching the games and realizes that this team could do much better with a real coach (NOT Mike Brown). The few minutes Scott was in, I thought he did a great job on 1 on 1defense and blocking out. I see great potential for this kid…

DS

November 15th, 2012
8:58 am

Jordan Rules: Did you just compare MJ to Horford? What was the point you were trying to make?

david

November 15th, 2012
9:07 am

Please get rid of our zombie coach. PLEASE.

Jason S

November 15th, 2012
9:09 am

Lou is not a PG.
Teague & Lou is too small.
Devin & Lou is not any better.
[The Hawks need a ballhandler/playmaker w/ size to play alongside Lou.]

Hawks have no real SF.
[Korver & Stevenson getting spot minutes at SF is fine, but the Hawks need a "go to" SF.]

Hawks need a serviceable big man behind Zaza.

But all this is already known …

Najeh Davenpoop

November 15th, 2012
9:14 am

“Even the Marvin for Harris deal is looking like a wash now, which is incredible.”

Devin Harris could take a sh-t on the court every game and that would still be a good trade solely because his contract is expiring. I understand (but strongly disagree with) the case that trading Joe for scraps is “anti-climactic”, since he is still a good player. Marvin is average on his best day. He is the kind of player you pick up on a one-year deal to add depth to your bench. The amount he was getting paid made any trade involving him a good one.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 15th, 2012
9:16 am

As far as last night’s game was concerned, pointing fingers at individuals is pointless, in my opinion. I can’t think of anyone other than Ivan who consistently played well. Korver and Teague were good in the first half and invisible in the second half (in part because of LD’s idiotic substitution patterns). Josh and Lou were horrendous. That is the type of game where you burn the game film and forget it ever happened.

Jason S

November 15th, 2012
9:17 am

Point of confusion:

What good is cap space if you are not going to (be able to) sign a superstar?

Barring some major trades, it looks like the Hawks will be able (at best) to pick up a couple marginal talents regardless of the cap situation.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 15th, 2012
9:19 am

“There is NO reason that Teague shouldn’t be a shut down PG in this league with his speed and athleticism.”

Steph Curry was 2/8 shooting when Teague was guarding him. He heated up in the 4th quarter slightly after Lou started guarding him. Teague cooled off on offense considerably in the 2nd half but his D wasn’t a major problem. Perimeter D wasn’t the only part of the D that was an abject failure yesterday. Interior defense was a mess as well, and Josh and Ivan were among the culprits.

hot.trod.87

November 15th, 2012
9:19 am

At a crucial year when you have cap space and free agents looking, you don’t want to have a coach who doesn’t know how to make adjustments in games. You’ll end up wasting cap space 7 player value. We’ve become a passing team where noone wants to shoot except the same people shooting. SO far it’s been Korver, Lou & Josh ( ones getting big minutes)… but Josh is not a shooter. Korver is a shooter. Lou is a shooter and he creates his own shots. Josh & Al have went away from creating their own shots, BUT they’ve both lost a tremendous amount of weight. Not sure if that’s a factor in their post play, but they don’t have any. Zaza is not having his best year. He’s getting 4 or 5 rebounds standing at 6′11.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 15th, 2012
9:19 am

“What good is cap space if you are not going to (be able to) sign a superstar?”

What good is a capped out roster if you are going to get waxed in the first round (at best) every year?

hot.trod.87

November 15th, 2012
9:20 am

Najeh… Interior defense was on Zaza.. Josh manned the inside. Led in rebounds.. Ivan even had perimeter defense. Zaza was non-existent last night. Not Josh

Jason S

November 15th, 2012
9:21 am

“What good is a capped out roster if you are going to get waxed in the first round (at best) every year?”

I remember a couple second round waxings. ;)

So, the idea is to get cap space so you can try to build back up to a team that gets waxed in the first, maybe second round? I don’t get it.

ag

November 15th, 2012
9:23 am

ND- I agree. A lot of blame. I think we can all agree, “Why is Tolliver wearing a Hawks uniform?” The most asinine comment today was why we didn’t sign T-Mac. T-Mac is so garbage, he is in China. NOBODY WOULD SIGN TMAC!!!

ZaZa is starting to play like a backup again. If we could settle on a SF, that will keep him on the bench. It is my understanding that Ivan in the D-League was a SF. Why is he playing PF and C in the NBA? Does Teague, Korver, Ivan, Smith and Horford give us the best chance to win?

Jason S

November 15th, 2012
9:23 am

Hey, we had a good team. But if we blow it up, we will have cap space.

Now, if we blow it up, we will take a step back. But that’s OK, because with all the cap space we will be able to quickly build the team back up to exactly where it was before we blew it up (if we are lucky).

Sounds like a plan!

EmirS.

November 15th, 2012
9:25 am

hot.trod.87

November 15th, 2012
9:27 am

Najeh Davenpoop, teague was horrible…. He can not play without Devin or Joe Johnson helping him. he can’t get around screens. Stephen Curry was killing him on screens which in fact killed our post having to draw attention to his lost man leaving their man wide open to guard. No weak side defense. Lou had more assists than Teague. More steals than Teague 1-0… More free throws because he attacked more 7-0… SO don’t go talking about Lou’s game when you know Teague played horrible. Lou was subjected to the same crappy rotation and he made something of it getting 18 points in 25 minutes to Teague’s 9 points in 27 minutes

doc

November 15th, 2012
9:28 am

one of those cant “get over the hump” or “make a run” games. never could impose our will on them. the willful guys were on the court but never got it going. 2 – 3 possession ball game throughout it seemed.

heh heh @ faux rod.

certainly havent been giving up the century nimbers folks expected, yet. playing defense for offensive only ld to stay in games?

ag

November 15th, 2012
9:35 am

Marvin Williams finished with 7 points last night in 25 minutes. I agree with ND, with his expiring contract or at least a little trade value, I rather have Harris. JJ finally scored 25 points for the Nets… against the Cavaliers…. same ol Joe Johnson.

DS

November 15th, 2012
9:36 am

hot.trod: Lou didn’t do anything until the last minute when he got 3 consecutive 3-pointers. He’s really terrible on defense…Teague is being jerked around by LD again…LD needs to go

devndev

November 15th, 2012
9:38 am

This season is a wash and should only be an evaluation one – the only positive thing that could come out of this team is to get a lot of burn on our rookies and Ivan. I don’t want them to sign another veteran big – give those minutes to Ivan.
LD is justified in thinking he has to win all the games at the cost of not playing the rookies as he is up for extension. I would fault Ferry in giving that message to LD – and believe Ferry should give LD the orders or make developing the rookies the number one criteria on LD’s evaluation.

Ra'mon

November 15th, 2012
9:39 am

Najeh, sorry but Steph wasn’t shooting well but he had over six assists at half time or hockey assists by driving by Teague and kicking out whn the defense rotates. Defense is deeper than what your opponent scores. It’s also what your opponent CREATES for their teammates. And Curry was doing a lot of creating for his teammates against Teague. I just don’t see fight in Teague. He doesn’t seem to have that drive to really want to win at all costs.