Atlanta Hawks game thread: Horford, Harris out against Warriors (updated)

Vivlamore reporting from Oakland.

A stomach illness is still wreaking havoc on the Hawks’ roster during their West Coast road trip. Al Horford and Devin Harris missed Wednesday’s game against the Warriors. Both were unable to take part in the team’s morning shootaround and were declared out well before game time.

“Hopefully, both guys will be ready by Friday,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said of the final game of the trip against the Kings. “We are taking all precautions (to ensure no one else gets ill).”

Josh Smith and Lou Williams were questionable right up until game time of Monday’s victory over the Trail Blazers. Both played and scored in double figures.

There was plenty of hand sanitizer making its way around the team workout at a San Francisco health club, as the illness also hit security and media-relations personnel.

Zaza Pachulia started at center for Horford. The Hawks activated backup center Johan Petro. He has been inactive all six games this season due to a sore back. Drew said there was a possibility Petro could play behind Pachulia and Ivan Johnson.

” I think he’s had enough (practice time),” Drew said of Petro. “We wanted him to spend more time out on the court and getting up and down. He’s been with us on the trip and prior to us leaving Atlanta he got quite a bit of court time in trying to gather some conditioning.

“I’m hoping to get him some time but I’ll take a very close look at our matchups and see if it makes sense.”

Horford leads the Hawks in points scored (89) and rebounds (52) and is tied for the team lead, with Smith, in points per game average (14.8).

The other starters will be Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, DeShawn Stevenson and Smith.

Smith said he was feeling much better after a day of rest.

All-Star nominees

Teague joined Smith and Horford as the Hawks representatives on the All-Star ballot released by the league Tuesday. While both said they are honored by the nomination, their main concern remained the season at hand.

“I’m just worried about the season right now and finding the cohesiveness to this team,” said Smith, who has never made the All-Star team despite approaching career numbers of 10,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, 2,000 assists and more than 1,000 blocks. “I’m a firm believer that as the team succeeds I succeed. So, I’m worried about what we are doing as a team. I not worried about the All-Star team.”

Horford is a two-time All-Star as a center. He now is grouped together with other centers and forwards as the league changed the voting distinction to front-court players.

“I really don’t pay too much attention to it until that time comes around,” Teague said of his nomination. “I’m more happy for Josh and Al. I’m just happy to be part of it. … I just trying to go every game, win every game. If it happens, I’ll be grateful for it but I’m just going game by game.”

Teague entered Wednesday’s game with averages of 14.3 points, 7.2 assists, 2.7 rebounds and 1.8 steals through six games.

“I think he definitely belongs in the same breath with a lot of the point guards in the league,” Drew said. “Jeff is really is blossoming into a really good point guard. He brings a speed to the game. He can make shots. He has a good in-between game. I think it’s time that he is mentioned with some of these other point guards.”

Playing on the road

Players and coaches often talk about the team-building benefits of playing on the road. However, the Hawks could learn a more valuable lesson with this early season four-game road trip, played in six days.

Drew was concerned prior to the season that his team would learn to win in a hostile environment. They got a lesson on the first game of the trip, losing their composure late in a loss to the Clippers. The next night they were again challenged in the fourth quarter but pulled out a victory over the Blazers.

“I think it’s a good thing to go on the road this early, to experience some of these lessons to be learned early, so that we can understand and grow as a team,” Drew said. “We didn’t feel good about our performance particularly late in the third quarter and into the fourth quarter against (the Clippers). … Against Portland, the difference was we did not lose our composure. We maintained our composure.”

Etc.

The Hawks have forced 17.8 turnovers per game, fourth best in the NBA. Former Warriors coach Don Nelson, elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame, was honored in a pre-game ceremony. … The Hawks end their road trip Friday at the Kings and return home where they will play seven of their next eight games. … Several Hawks players visited the island of Alcatraz during an off day Tuesday.

386 comments Add your comment

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

November 14th, 2012
6:30 pm

FIRST.

Anthony Morrow is the key to this game. Give him minutes.

Rico

November 14th, 2012
6:43 pm

I am sitting here watching the last game vs Portland and cannot understand why Larry Drew plays Anthony Toliver so much. This dude is a turnover machine and plays out of control. We should have kept Damion James! How can you lead the team in the preseason in rebouds and get cut. Maybe, just maybe, Larry Drew will be the next one to get CUT!

Additionally, WHY DRAFT ROOKIES IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY THEM? Jenkins and Scott need playing time, SIT TOLIVER and let the young ones play. ALTLANTA HAWKS have a bad history of developing rookies into NBA players. Not good if we plan on being a Championship caliber team.

Rico

November 14th, 2012
6:45 pm

My bad I meant: “Rebounds” How can you lead the Team in the preseason in Rebounds and get CUT?

Sautee

November 14th, 2012
6:45 pm

FTPB:

“Will Horford suck it up and play tonight? If not, the Josh crowd will bring the rain on the blog about AL missing a game for basically the same illness….” – Melvin

But Melvin, I thought this blog was a Horford “love fest”. ;-)

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

November 14th, 2012
6:49 pm

I’m one of the first dudes to scream at Josh while watching this team on TV, but he played really solid basketball the other night

-Smart passes
-Hesitated and passed up jumpshots
-Made his one free throw

We need that Josh EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

Oh why am I even saying this? 8+ years in the league and we still put up with his BS each year

W.R. Terrell

November 14th, 2012
6:52 pm

Lets hope that the “Smoove” does not go crazy with that “I am a SUPERSTAR mentality” and play to his strengths which are; rebounding, blocking shots and put backs. This is the kind of game where a team can get embaressed by stupid play.
I hope Al will be able to play, I know a lot of folks are not too fond of him but he is a lunch box kind of guy. This is a game we can win with effort, smarts and hustle but it is also a game that can be lost by selfishness. LD needs to bench stupidity but that’s asking a lot from someone who has no clue.

W.R. Terrell

November 14th, 2012
6:57 pm

I would like to see the rooks play also. There is not a lot to lose by playing Jenkins and Scott but LD blew it with Jordan Crawford and almost blew it with JT. Coaching is not one of the HAWKS strong suits.

Grimey

November 14th, 2012
6:58 pm

Hey C Viv can you tell the team whatever their eating stop. 3 players with a similar sickness. Tell them goto zaza house :)

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
7:52 pm

Smokey

November 14th, 2012
7:55 pm

This team has sidelined a lot of potential talent over the years, no doubt.
Morrow better get lots of PT this kid is wasted with what he is given at the moment.
Resting theory proved to be BS when LD plays Devin “injury” Harris every game and sits younger more productive players.

If we cant win today we have big problems considering the talent on this team.

prison mike

November 14th, 2012
8:55 pm

D harris wasn’t playing great to begin with. More time for Morrow and JJ hopefully.

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
9:02 pm

Watching this Memphis/OKC game. Just remind me how mad I was when BK took Sheldon Williams instead of Rudy Gay. I was all in for Rudy on draft night…

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
9:03 pm

Sautee,

They will love to bash Al if he doesn’t play I can bet you that…

Rev in Tampa

November 14th, 2012
9:25 pm

Najeh, the announcers were so uninterested the game between the Wizards and Charlotte that they didn’t even notice that two different players shot the free throws. Can’t say that I blame them.

Rod from College Park

November 14th, 2012
9:51 pm

Horford out huh? Hmmmmm……

Rod from College Park

November 14th, 2012
9:52 pm

“But Melvin, I thought this blog was a Horford “love fest”.”

It WAS. Myself, Slim Jr. and Vava changed that.

O'Brien

November 14th, 2012
9:55 pm

Rod,

No mention of Harris missing the game too?

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:00 pm

The Warriors’ 3rd leading scorer is Carl Landry, who comes off the bench and is off to a great start this year. I hope LD comes to his senses and plays Ivan on him instead of Tolliver.

Also, with Bogut out with an injury (how shocking), we get to see more of Buddy Grizzard’s boy Festus Ezeli.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:02 pm

Can’t wait until after this game, when the Josh vs. Al debates will surely continue unabated as one side or the other will triumphantly use this one-game sample to prove that either Al or Josh sucks and the other one is indispensable.

buckhead commute

November 14th, 2012
10:02 pm

Good Luck Hawks tonight!! ..and here’s to less traffic in ATL lol !!

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:03 pm

And apparently Petro is active, for the first and hopefully last time this season.

BravesFan79

November 14th, 2012
10:15 pm

Anthony Morrow will be a key player tonight in his old arena. Less Stevenson is whats needed.

2 FOR JOHN DREW

November 14th, 2012
10:19 pm

This is gonna be an interesting game. No DHarris …. possibly no AHorford ……. So we should see more of AMorrow & IJohnson ….. Let’s get er done

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:24 pm

8 games into his first season as a non-Hawk, here are Marvin’s stats per 36 minutes:

47.1% FG%, 85% FT%, 25% 3FG, 13.3 ppg, 5.3 reb, 1.1 ast, 1.1 stl, 0.9 blk, 1.6 TO

Here are Marvin’s career per-36 stats:

45.0% FG%, 80.7% FT%, 32.6% 3FG, 13.6 ppg, 6.3 reb, 1.6 ast, 0.9 stl, 0.5 blk, 1.4 TO

Still a long way to go in the season but I think it’s safe to bet against him breaking out and showing the “star potential” that the Hawks “suppressed” over the years.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:26 pm

“So here’s the question…what if neither guy is on the roster after next summer? What if one is and the other isn’t? Will “fans” of the one who leaves follow him forever?”

Haha. I’m sure many of us will, particularly in Josh’s case since he is a hometown player and has been here for so long, but neither one is the kind of transformational, superstar-caliber talent that should be considered indispensable.

O'Brien

November 14th, 2012
10:31 pm

Since Both Josh and Al are very important to the Hawks success, I dont understand why some people will bash one at the expense of the other, or feel like they have to choose.

The only one who may have to choose is Ferry.

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:32 pm

I sure hope Memphis is stupid enough to put Rudy Gay on the trading block this summer and hoping Ferry be the first one on the phone with them..

Rod from College Park

November 14th, 2012
10:32 pm

“It’s the truth…and it’s retarded…”

Ahhhhh . Little Ray thinks its retarded. Maybe we should stop. LOL

Rod from College Park

November 14th, 2012
10:34 pm

“No mention of Harris missing the game too?”

He is out because of a pulled groin. Horford has a stomach ache.

Rod from College Park

November 14th, 2012
10:36 pm

“Since Both Josh and Al are very important to the Hawks success, I dont understand why some people will bash one at the expense of the other, or feel like they have to choose.”

The team will have to choose. They both play the same position. Remember Horford does not want to bang with centers.

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:41 pm

Please keep David Lee off the boards tonight.

bigdave

November 14th, 2012
10:42 pm

Barnes is a player who I’m intrigued by.. had an NBA game in college, reminds me of Joe.

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:43 pm

Nice steal by Teague the Thief….

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:44 pm

Why did Teague stop running lane on the steal by Josh?

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:44 pm

I am not trying to say Korver is anywhere near as good as Joe, but this team’s offense would have been a lot better in previous years if Joe was as decisive in looking for his shot as Korver.

MattP

November 14th, 2012
10:47 pm

Josh is jumper happy again.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:48 pm

The Charlotte Bobcats are 4-3. Last year, if I’m not mistaken, at one point they were 4-21.

cp

November 14th, 2012
10:48 pm

Josh and his jumpers

MattP

November 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

Horrible rebounding

Jae Evolution

November 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

Did Teague learn that little stop in front of the defender and yield them off with your back from Joe?

High-sider

November 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

Rocky with the cut.

cp

November 14th, 2012
10:50 pm

Korver on fire

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:50 pm

Krover is stroking it….

JC

November 14th, 2012
10:52 pm

welll i think korver has finally found his stroke in a hawks uniform lol

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:52 pm

Man, Krover is constantly moving on offense. Such a beautiful thing to see.

MattP

November 14th, 2012
10:52 pm

Zaza sent to the ocker room, now LD has to give Ivan heavy minutes. lol, nothing surprises me with LD, we need injuries so LD can give people a chance that earned it.

MattP

November 14th, 2012
10:54 pm

7 minutes and no rebounds for Smith? Hello Smith stop hanging out at the perimeter and help out on the inside.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2012
10:55 pm

Melvin

November 14th, 2012
10:55 pm

Nice post up by Ivan…

cp

November 14th, 2012
10:55 pm

Lol someone was telling Ivan to work his ass