Three Hawks on All-Star ballot
Vivlamore reporting from Oakland.
Al Horford, Josh Smith and Jeff Teague are the Hawks representatives on the NBA All-Star ballot the league released Tuesday.
Horford and Smith are 36 front-court nominees in the Eastern Conference. Horford is a two-time All-Star as a center but the league changed the process this year to group all centers and forwards together. Teague is one of 24 nominees at guard in the East. In all, 120 players both both conferences are represented on the ballot.
Balloting will be held until Jan. 14. Fans can vote in a variety of ways on a daily basis, including social media sites. This year’s All-Star game will be held in Houston on Feb. 17.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Buddy Grizzard
November 13th, 2012
3:46 pm
“I wouldn’t hold my breathe that he would leave $20M and one of the best franchises in team sports for the Hawks.”
Just depends on if Dwight wants to win a championship. I don’t think L.A. is a championship-caliber team this year, no way they will be championship-caliber next year and the year after that they have to try to lure free agents with the cap room from Kobe’s expiring deal.
Kobe, Nash and Gasol are old. I don’t think L.A. wins a championship during the Dwight Howard era.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 13th, 2012
3:59 pm
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 13th, 2012
2:19 pm
Is it possible to get an article on Kenny Atkinson? Who does he work with in practices? He helped Lin in NY
WeBurn
November 13th, 2012
4:00 pm
Even with Rose out, Teague has to go through Deron Williams (who is overrated) and Rondo. Still he has decent chances.
Astro Joe
November 13th, 2012
4:13 pm
Buddy, the Lakers have the means and the will to spend $20M-$30M over the luxury threshold. It isn’t about this particular group of players it is about a demonstrated record (and resources) to consistenly build championship-level rosters. A player who wants to win a championship would pick the Hawks over the Lakers and the Buss Family? Really?
Buddy Grizzard
November 13th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Still he has decent chances.”
Especially if Devin misses time and we see what Teague can do with 35 mpg.
Astro Joe
November 13th, 2012
4:22 pm
Rondo, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, Jrue Holiday and Brandon Jennings.
And it is very rare that a player who produces All-Star numbers for the first time in his career is rewarded with an ALl-Star selection in that same year. Lastly, a .500 team very rarely gets 2 All-Stars, so would they choose Teague over Josh or Al?
Speaking of Holiday… 76ers got rid of their best player and their leading scorer and haven’t had their new leading man play a single minute this season. And yet, they are holding their own so far. I’m not certain it will continue but Collins is doing a great job with that squad.
Buddy Grizzard
November 13th, 2012
4:26 pm
Astro, the problem is that the Lakers have backed themselves into a bad cap situation. Sure, the Buss family will spend whatever it takes. The problem is they have players who are not producing at a championship level clogging up the books for the next 2-3 seasons. Yes, they will have a ton of cap space in 2014/15, even if they re-sign Dwight. But there’s no guarantees that they will get another superstar to pair with Dwight. And in the meantime they’ve got two more years of Pau, two more years of Blake, THREE more years of Nash who is already braking down, two more years of Peace, two more years of CHRIS freaking DUHON and two more years of rapidly declining Kobe Bryant. What moves do you see them making before 2014/15? Or do you think this is a championship roster for the next two seasons?
Buddy Grizzard
November 13th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Lastly, a .500 team very rarely gets 2 All-Stars, so would they choose Teague over Josh or Al?”
The Hawks have gone .500 against a schedule that included three teams projected to finish top 4 in their conference. The Hawks face one playoff team in their next 8 games. Do you really think the Hawks are going to be a .500 team 8 games from now?
Rod from College Park
November 13th, 2012
4:30 pm
“Especially if Devin misses time and we see what Teague can do with 35 mpg.”
With our coach you won’t see more minutes for Teague, you will see an increase in minutes for Lou Williams at the point, which is a no no.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2012
4:31 pm
FTPB,
Also, keep in mind that LeBron signed with the Heat, who play in Florida…which is tax exempt. So alot of the money leBron left on the table will be made up by paying less taxes.
And leaving money on the table to team up with D-Wade and Bosh is different than leaving money on the table to go team up with Josh Smith and Anthony Morrow.
vava74
November 13th, 2012
4:36 pm
Rod from College Park
November 13th, 2012
4:30 pm
Co-sign and already enraged what we will see…
vava74
November 13th, 2012
4:37 pm
With what
Ken Strickland
November 13th, 2012
4:48 pm
SLIMJR-Do you think Josh would have been able to made those excellent passes to Al for assists if Al hadn’t put himself in excellent position to receive them and converted the baskets? They both made what turned out to be gm winning plays, and it’s downright foolish of you to embellish one without recognizing the contributions of the other. Just food for thought.
Korver can’t create his own shot, never forces a shot and seldom takes a shot with a hand in his face. He’s at his best when coming off picks, pulling up on fast breaks, or taking uncontested shots. We’ve seen Morrow make a number of contested shots, but we haven’t seen him come off screens for his shots. If Korver didn’t have plays designed for him to come off picks, he’d probably stand around as much as anyone.
In fact, when the ball is thrown into the post, everyone stands around, because Drew’s OFF doesn’t send cutters through the lane. Once the season started and we were informed of Petro’s back problems, we haven’t heard a word about him since.
Astro Joe
November 13th, 2012
4:53 pm
Buddy, what does 8 games from now have to do with selecting All-Stars? Is that the arbitrary date for just the Hawks or for all 15 Eastern Conference teams?
Astro Joe
November 13th, 2012
4:59 pm
Buddy, I think in the next 2-3 seasons, the Lakers will advance much farther than a non-luxury tax paying Atlanta Hawks team. And remember, this whole discussion is about Dwight wanting to play for a championship. IMO, the one and only way Howard leaves for the Hawks is if he wants to play at home and in front of his family. But to my knowledge, there hasn’t been a single player who joined the Hawks because they wanted to win a title. And frankly, I don’t that that will happen between now and August, 2013.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2012
5:32 pm
I may have missed it, but who are the Hawks captain(s)? is it Al and Josh? Were they selected by LD, or the other players?
Buddy Grizzard
November 13th, 2012
5:58 pm
“what does 8 games from now have to do with selecting All-Stars?”
8 games from now, the Hawks won’t be a .500 team.
terrell
November 13th, 2012
6:15 pm
All Star ballot already? Wtf?
Rev in Tampa
November 13th, 2012
6:16 pm
Will the Hawks go 5-0 over the next few games? They are playing only bottom-feeders.
terrell
November 13th, 2012
6:21 pm
All star games = best time to watch a movie.
Spyro
November 13th, 2012
6:25 pm
Teague could make it if he keeps up this level of play and gets a few more minutes thrown his way. Five guards made the team last year. (Wade, JJ, Rondo, D-Will, Rose) Rose and JJ are definitely out, but Irving will take one of their spots. That leaves that fifth spot wide open for a battle between Lowry, Teague, and probably Ray Allen.
As of right now, Lowry wins that spot.
tyger
November 13th, 2012
6:50 pm
10 observations…
1. LD is a great coach, no support, mismatched roster, he just wins…
2. Two years consecutive, his teams take on his personality…heroic underdogs…
3. Smoove is out of sync…re-evaluate in two weeks…
4. Horford not MAX, undersized, but has heart, smarts, consistency of champion!
5. LMA tried to mop floor w him, he hung tough, won war, if not battle…
6. Warming to Teague, he’s coachable, improving, dishing, stealing, hitting shots…
7. Is LD’s rehab of Korver limitingl Morrow???….
8. Never underestimate the number of players being showcased..3,4,7…
9. Seems LD is practicing some ole’ school NBA pecking order…seniority first…
10. Doubt Ferry forsaw LD screwing up his lotto pick…
3 PG – Teague, Harris, Wiliams
4 SG – Stevenson, Korver, Morrow, Jenkins
0 SF
4 PF – Horford, Smith, Tolliver, Johnson, Scot
1 C – Pachulia
keith
November 13th, 2012
6:58 pm
Have a feeling that when all is said and done, Lou Williams may be the only allstar on this team.
Thunda_hawk
November 13th, 2012
7:39 pm
Teague is the best player on the team! He should be playing 38 minutes a game and if he were his numbers would definitely be allstar caliber
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 13th, 2012
7:44 pm
FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD
lewis
November 13th, 2012
7:59 pm
Buddy Grizzard
November 13th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Still he has decent chances.”
Especially if Devin misses time and we see what Teague can do with 35 mpg.
And co-sign rod at 4:30
I can’t believe TEAGUE is getting rookie treatment years later – does Collins treat Jrue that way? – Teague leading guard’s in fg%, can get his own shot, get to the rim, his assists are up, his aggressiveness is up, his 3 pt shooting is up
Anonymous Hawks Fan
November 13th, 2012
8:14 pm
A lot of people are saying Josh will never live up to his potential until he stops hanging out on the perimeter, shooting long jumpers. Trouble is, Josh is in the final year of his contract, so none of the Hawks’ coaching staff wants to criticize him because they think it might scare him off. They feel like they need to keep him in ATL because Dwight Howard is also in the final year of his contract, and the Hawks’ best chance of landing D12 in free agency is to have his close friend J-Smoove lobbying him to come join. So it’s a catch-22.
I think there might be around this, though, if they play it from the right psychological angle.
Step one would be Danny Ferry giving Larry Drew an ultimatum: If he can’t reel Josh in, he’ll be replaced by someone who will. This gives LD the motivation to finally hold Josh accountable, without feeling like he’s the bad guy for doing so.
Step two is immediately benching Josh the instant he starts straying away from the paint. Josh won’t like this, obviously, but LD can play dumb and explain it to him as “I’ve noticed you start straying away from the paint when you’re tired. I don’t want you tired; I need you fresh. So I’m giving you a break to catch your breath.” Even if this explanation isn’t true, it allows both Josh and LD to save face, which is critical. And even if Josh insists that he’s not tired, LD can still play dumb and say that although he commends Josh’s fire, he still needs him to sit for a while until he’s less tired. After a few games of this, Josh will start to get the picture and hopefully things will shape up. (And if he really presses LD on why this is happening, LD can tell him about management’s ultimatum and Josh will feel obliged to help protect his coach’s job by playing smarter.)
Alternatively, he could just show Josh this Reddit post (and the two articles it links to):
http://redd.it/zkof7
I don’t know anyone who works at Philips Arena, though, so one of you guys will have to print all this out and anonymously slip it under Ferry’s door, haha.
High-sider
November 13th, 2012
8:17 pm
test
High-sider
November 13th, 2012
8:24 pm
The Hawks are currently in the 8th seed in the Eastern Conference Standings. Unless the Hawks drastically improve in the standings and someone on the Hawks’ roster improves his individual statistics significantly (e.g., points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, etc.), I don’t see a Hawks’ player making the 2012-2013 All-Star Team.
High-sider
November 13th, 2012
8:31 pm
blog monster
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
8:54 pm
Ken, thanks for the food but I did not have enough time to state the obvious about AL.
“Without the initiator all bets are off” -Slimjr-
Besides this Blog has been a love fest for Allstar AL. I know one small voice in this Gigantic wilderness will not make an impact for Josh positives, but I’m sure as heck gonna try…
I cherish rooting for the underdog to show the masses he told you so….
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
8:57 pm
Romnesia runs rampant around these [parts]………….
drmaryb.(""_*).
November 13th, 2012
9:02 pm
Premature Ejaculation!
“There is no uptempo in this years offense. 81 shot attempts per game. Last year? 81 shot attempts per game.” – Just Joe -
______________
Hey Just Joe, are you really going to levy 6 games versus 82 games? Hold your load, young fella … build up a head of steam first. Don’t be a Minute-Man. lol
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
9:04 pm
doc: just a reminder, The Saints exposed the Falcons on both sides of the line of scrimmage..You keep losing in the trench on both sides of the ball, it will be 0-4 in 8-9 weeks…
Can u imagine how pissed off the Fanatics will be?
Oh the Humanity!
We have seen this B4? Hmmmmm
Rod from College Park
November 13th, 2012
9:13 pm
“Besides this Blog has been a love fest for Allstar AL. I know one small voice in this Gigantic wilderness will not make an impact for Josh positives, but I’m sure as heck gonna try…”
Totally agree. Either it’s a lovefest, or nobody ever says anything about him like LD.
drmaryb.(""_*).
November 13th, 2012
9:17 pm
Burnt Offerings!
slimjr, ‘Turner the Burner” has blown out two tires on the rear end of his whip. That dude aint leaving no skid marks no where. lol!
keith
November 13th, 2012
9:20 pm
3-3 record is pretty good considering the massive overhaul we had in the off season. It is great to see this team play with confidence. OUR OFFENSE NEEDS TO RUN THROUGH OUR CENTER, LD..
Jae Evolution
November 13th, 2012
9:22 pm
Too bad John Wall isn’t a FA this summer, that dude is as good as gone from DC.
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
9:24 pm
drmaryb, is good to see you back in da HOUSE!!!!! Hehehehehehehehehehe
Turner is being unmercifully raked over the coals by Fans all over town..
You cant run when your O-line consistently leaves two defenders unblock..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 13th, 2012
9:24 pm
I wouldn’t be so quick to count West Coast games in the win column. Just because Sacramento sucks and Golden State has a history of sucking doesn’t mean they are automatic wins. Let’s not forget that the Warriors came into Philips and beat the Hawks last year.
I doubt the Hawks get more than one All Star, and my money would be on Josh since there was a pretty significant media backlash to him getting snubbed last year. Teague could ball out of his mind but the politics of All Star selection will keep him behind Deron Williams and Rondo (one of whom will be voted in as a starter) ahead of him for the time being.
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
9:27 pm
This team should be 5-1..I agree with Ken its a better team than most believe..
Ld has cost them two defeats[Houston][Miami] already…
Larry: is the weakest link
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
9:31 pm
Its Josh turn to become an Allstar. He certainly has the most potential to make it so..The other guy?
That Train has already left the station…
Melvin
November 13th, 2012
10:01 pm
Waived Tolliver. Sign K-Mart and Pietrus or Damion…..
Astro Joe
November 13th, 2012
10:05 pm
A middling team like the Hawks could only get 2 All-Stars if one is voted in by the fans. Coaches won’t sit there and choose 2 Hawks out of 7 or 8 players they will select. Teague is playing very well and that should suffice. IMO, he isn’t a top 3-4 PG in the conference (or having a top 3-4 PG season after a whopping 2 weeks). IMO, the only “politics” is related to TV coverage and which teams can gain enough mind-share of the casual fans that they vote for a player based on name recognition (aided by frequent national TV games) alone. And that isn’t politics… that is how you run a business to maximize television revenue potential.
Buddy, IMO, the Hawks will be a .500 team. They will enjoy winning 5 of 8 for one stretch and will lose 5 of 8 in the next stretch. IMO, they are a middling team in transition.
Jae Evolution
November 13th, 2012
10:05 pm
Royce White is having a fallout with the Rockets, could probably get him for cheap to fill the SF role.
Also watching this Willie Cauley-Stein on Kentucky 7 footer who has good hands good size and an athlete, interesting prospect to watch.
Melvin
November 13th, 2012
10:19 pm
LOL at Astro taking small swipes at Teague…. Astro, I still remember the Teague not getting playing time debate b/c he wasn’t showing enough in practice or whatever the lame reason was… Let Teague play..
Astro Joe
November 13th, 2012
10:23 pm
LOL at Melvin, not challenging anything I said tonight but something I said 2 years ago. Stay current, dude.
Jae, Royce White is dealing with some significant emotional issues that aren’t likely to change based on the team uniform. I hope it works out for him because his story could be a great inspiration to many.
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
10:27 pm
Are you kidding me?
Woody does it again? Another beatdown by double digits tonight?
[5-0] Hey, where’s that lawn chair and can you recommend a good book? lol
Melvin
November 13th, 2012
10:42 pm
Astro,
We must know our past in order to move forward….lol
Melvin
November 13th, 2012
10:43 pm
Please break-up the Knicks before Slimjr lose his mind…lol
Melvin
November 13th, 2012
10:45 pm
Astro,
Agreed on Royce White. He has a serious issue hopefully he can overcome it… Oh yeah, I will take him in a Hawks uniform. Just thought I would say that b/c we do have an open roster spot…
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 13th, 2012
11:22 pm
Heeeeeyyyyyy DMB ….. Your words look good to me. Royce White is an intriguing situation. This guy w/ his body type & skills could eventually play 4 different positions. During the last draft I was hoping DA HAWKS could get him so badly …. but didn’t realize the full extent of his problems. But I don’t want to trivialize his situation …. but DMB couldn’t he be sedated & fly ?
doc
November 13th, 2012
11:29 pm
slim,, there are no real front runners in the nfl. do you really see one? three qb’s down with concussions and all.
all teams are very flawed except maybe the houston team with a qb the falcons sacrificed for ya man mv7. oh the humanity for desperate falcon atl fans to have to see what they sacrificed for an inferior but more exotic qb. oh the humanityx2! shameful if they have to see the texans get the crown with their qb they gave away for your mr drama. heh heh, chew a bit bro, chew.
yup, bad line but 2 is getting it done with mirrors having his best game in a loss only because they couldnt get one yd on the ground, a catch wasnt made and a cb takes a stupid penalty in red zone. rare they and hc dont manage close games better than that. another chance in two weeks.
anyway, back to babll, ya man woody and the knicks are getting love babee. heard greg anthony say if healthy they are the best in the east, then heard john sallley say they are definitely better than the heat and are built to take them out and no one in the west can keep track. stakes are high for woody, oh the humanity!!!
doc
November 13th, 2012
11:33 pm
you may find me on the front row:
http://www.accessatlanta.com/gallery/entertainment/lingerie-football-league-hosts-tryouts-atlanta-ste/g6PJ/#2868229
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
11:48 pm
doc is da MAN! Hahahaha
Slimjr
November 13th, 2012
11:58 pm
8-1 Texans look real good..Just solid in every phase of the game..
Looking forward to that Falcon-NY Giants game.. The Giants have been struggling lately and it has got New Yorkers scratching their heads! Lets hope it continues when they meet the Falcons.
Matt Ryan is playing great ball! They have to figure out those 4 and inches though..It may comeback to haunt them again if the adjustments are not executed properly in the trench..
Yea Woody and the Knicks are starting to look like a serious contender..Who would of thought?
Raymond Felton is a pretty good point guard himself..Did he not go #5 in the lottery behind the #2 pick buster Marvin Williams in 2004? he dropped 21 pts tonight…
23-6
Knicks= ball-so-hard
Najeh Davenpoop
November 14th, 2012
12:02 am
Not that it means a whole lot to the Hawks’ upcoming game against the Kings, but for whatever it’s worth, Portland is beating the Kings in Sacramento by 20 right now.
Slimjr
November 14th, 2012
12:03 am
Trivia: Last time the Knicks started out 5-0 [1993-1994], they went to the Finals….
Jae Evolution
November 14th, 2012
12:09 am
They are also without Cousins, Najeh.
Grandad
November 14th, 2012
12:17 am
Slimjr
Did you really call this blog a love fest for Al ?
Seriously ?
Or, were you just delving into supercilious humor ?
doc
November 14th, 2012
12:30 am
gdad just a lovable faux atl fan stirring the pot.
right slimj?
93 eh? wonder if i was born yet?
seriously slimj those comments were heard tonight several hours apart one on tv and the other on the radio, not even the same show. knicks gettin some love bro.
beone
November 14th, 2012
1:09 am
Great thread on a Hawks blog coming up with a new nickname for Josh Smith. Suggestions include: Brick, Clank, Dumbazz, etc. I wonder if he thinks he is a good shooter. He won’t be in AllStar game until he quits shooting outside of 10 feet.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 14th, 2012
1:54 am
I want to be 100% in support of Josh Smith …. But if after 7 + years you’re still trying to figure it out …. I could deal w/ D12 & CP3 or D12 & a driven JTeague ….. along w/ Josh …… Then I’ll feel things would work out ….. eventually
vava74
November 14th, 2012
6:35 am
2 for John Drew,
Howard will not sign with the Hawks this summer. It’s not even worth thinking about it.
There was a very good article on sports.yahoo about the attraction of the bright lights of LA, the buzz, the celebrities, the opportunities in several fields.
Maybe, just maybe, Howard MAY consider coming home for his last contract, however, I very much doubt that he has any real feelings about ATL which may drive him on that direction.
vava74
November 14th, 2012
6:54 am
The article was done on the night Howard played his first exhibition game for the LAL and it focused as well on the attraction of the LAL as a franchise, full of history, successes, …
We really can’t compete with that.
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
8:00 am
I don’t see any Hawks players making the 2012-2013 Eastern Conference All-Star Team.
Potential All-Star Centers
Chris Bosh
Kevin Garnett
Joakim Noah
Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Potential All-Star Forwards
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
Luol Deng
Potential All-Star Guards
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo
Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Jrue Holiday
Monta Ellis
Brandon Jennings
The Hawks are currently in the 8th seed in the Eastern Conference Standings. Unless the Hawks drastically improve in the standings and someone on the Hawks’ roster improves his individual statistics significantly (e.g., points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, etc.), I don’t see a Hawks’ player making the 2012-2013 All-Star Team.
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
8:23 am
Those players listed above either have better stats than any of the Hawks players placed on the 2013 All-Star ballot or their respective teams have better win-loss records than the Hawks [team] or both. I tried to post the above comment last night. For some unknown reason, I had technical difficulties.
P.S. The 2013 All-Star ballot features a starting lineup of two guards and three frontcourt players. Theoretically, a [2013 All-Star] starting lineup could feature two guards and three forwards which also means [to me] that a center may or may not be named or selected to the 2013 All-Star Team.
If they want to make the 2013 All-Star Team, Al Horford, Josh Smith and Jeff Teague have to “put in [some major] work.”
http://allstarballot.nba.com/ballot?referrer=asb12_reg&cid=asb12_reg
Ken Strickland
November 14th, 2012
8:41 am
Defensively, the Hawks have held all of their opponents, except 1, under 100 pts and under their seasonal averages. To put their DEF efforts into perspective, they’ve held 2 of the NBAs top 3, 3 of the top 7, and 4 of the top 13 NBA scoring teams under 100pts and under their seasonal averages.
We have suffered more than our share of turnovers and scoring droughts, usually in the 2nd half. I believe the high turnover rate is due to having too many players not knowing their defined roles, due to Drew’s round robin approach to his starting lineup. It prolongs the ability of players development of chemistry and continuity.
Also, when the team hits a scoring drought, or is getting out rebounded, Drew’s insistence on using struggling 3pt shooters to try and solve both problems only extends the problem. It’s not like he doesn’t have better options sitting on the bench, like IJohnson(rebounding) or AMorrow(scoring/3pt shooting) instead of his beloved veteran preference ATolliver.
It looks like we have the same dynamic with Ferry and Drew that we had with former GM and HC BKnight and MWoodson. Both GMs stated from the beginning they wanted to build through the draft and develop their young players. But both HCs were married to their VETERAN PREFERENCE approach and had no interest in developing or playing younger players.
Where Woody would set his limited rotation and clearly define each players role, LDrew is doing the complete opposite. One was too set in his approach, while the other is too lax and flexible with his.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 14th, 2012
8:43 am
High-Sider, there are no centers on the ballot this year, and Deng is unlikely to sneak his way on the team again if the Bulls continue to be closer to .500 than the top of the conference.
The Hawks will get an All Star if they are a winning team near the break, which I think they will be.
doc
November 14th, 2012
9:10 am
tyger pretty sound comments there btw.
BravesFan79
November 14th, 2012
9:14 am
Drew having Stevenson in the game with his broken down shot instead of Morrow has cost us at least 2 games this season already. Free Morrow!
Ken Strickland
November 14th, 2012
9:15 am
After taking a look at Teague’s overall numbers, a case can be made for him being chosen to the Allstar gm by the coaches, but not by the fans. Here’s what I mean.
MPG-14th(29.0) All other PGs average over 30.1MPGor more.
PPG-10th(14.3)
BPG-7th(.33)
APG-6th(7.2)
SPG-5th(1.83)
FT%-3rd(92.9)
FG%-1st(53.1) Only one other PG(RRondo) averages 50% or better and none average over 48.5%.
3P%-1st(.500)
Most of the PGs rated ahead of him are their teams #1 or #2 scoring options, while he’s our #3. We also know he’s got a lot more potential and room to improve, while most of the others are at or very near their peak.
doc
November 14th, 2012
9:18 am
trivia slimj,
the knicks have sucked for a long long time.
more trivia,
maybe wait until march before starting the coronation. woody still hasnt shown the ability to coach out of a wet brown bag in the off season. his postseason record is atrocious. i might have to remind you for each time you say similar things about the falcons. i dont count post season trials with wins against the likes of milwaukee and a decimated heat barely, pulling them out, as a resounding success. do you?
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
9:21 am
Najeh Davenpoop,
Have you compared Deng’s current stats to Josh Smith’s and Al Horford’s [current stats]?
Luol Deng – 18.9ppg, 7.4rpg, 2.9apg, 48.6%FG%, 22.7%3PFG% and 75.8%FT%
Josh Smith – 14.8ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.2apg, 39.8%FG%, 14.3%3PFG% and 20.0%FT%
Al Horford – 14.8ppg, 8.7rpg, 2.5apg, 57.1%FG%, N/A3PFG% and 69.2%FT%
I was just saying, if the current trend continues until the All-Star voting is closed, I don’t see any Hawks players making the 2013 All-Star Team. For the record, there are centers [and forwards] on the ballot this year; they [centers and forwards] are just listed as “Frontcourt” players. Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah, Kevin Garnett and Roy Hibbert are centers for their respective teams. I “get” where you’re coming from though and I stand corrected.
doc
November 14th, 2012
9:22 am
more trivia,
12-22
now what is his record when he gets to second round?
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 14th, 2012
9:23 am
VAVA 74 Your point is well taken …. And I know you’re right , but my point really was if Josh is suppose to be our # 1 guy …. that would make me nervous.And I genuinely like most of Josh’s game …. But it would be better if we had a Batman A ….. And Josh was our Batman B
Sam
November 14th, 2012
9:25 am
I know we are not the best team in the league, but this roster, and the way they have played, definitely has been exciting. My observations –
- Korver has been better than advertised. I love the way they have him running off screens to get open jumpers a la Richard Hamilton in his Pistons days.
- Lou Williams and Josh Smith take some of the dumbest shots I have ever seen. The offense tends to become stagnate as Lou pounds and pounds the rock. Reminds me a little of Joe. I won’t even get started on Smith…
- I know everyone on the blog has been all about cutting Tolliver and Stevenson, but both guys are playing pretty well. They are making timely shots and playing good defense.
- Get Morrow into the game more. I know he can’t guard my grandma, but he makes buckets when the gets opportunities. Put him in the game with a passfirst point guard, like Teague, and he’d have more chances at open shots.
Sam
November 14th, 2012
9:25 am
- I post a lot and that is by far my longest post
hot.trod.87
November 14th, 2012
9:28 am
Al 15 feet of the basket and he will pass it to the player furthest away from the basket. Reminds me of Joe when he does that. I’m not sure why we’re looking at his shooting percentages when he doesn’t even want to shoot. he defects his shots off to Korver. When we talk about Josh shooting too much also talk about Al passing too much instead of taking the shots. He’s getting drilled on defense. When we talk about free throw, none is more important than the ones Al missed in a deciding game in the playoff by an All-Star. Shooting is one aspect, the other aspect is defending. Portland went on a run when Josh was out . Al was abused in the paint. Al needs to be criticized for his robotic post moves. Josh ( who was sick) shooting 39% was on the bench when the Blazers made a run. Why did they make a run with Al ( shooting 57%) and Teague ( shooting 53%) in the game and Josh out? WHy did Drew bring in Josh to close out the game. Shows you who the leader is. I voted for all three EVERYDAY. Stop comparing our players and vote for them everyday
Astro Joe
November 14th, 2012
9:32 am
Whatever elixir KG took during the playoffs last year, Tim Duncan has discovered. The old man outplayed Dwight last night in LA and looks nothing like the player who only averaged around 13 points last season. Too bad TMac wasn’t notified of the new Geritol formula for basketball players.
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
9:43 am
Talk about the Rodney Dangerfield treatment, he’s [Jamal Crawford] gettin’ “no respect at all.” Jamal Crawford [is] “gettin’ treated like a wet food stamp.” [smh] – Biz Markie, rapper/hip hop artist, from the rap song entitled “Vapors”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv3sAFe1FCM – @3:55 – 4:05
Some of the following guards on the 2013 Western Conference All-Star Ballot include:
Tony Allen, Chauncey Billups (injured), Darren Collison, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon (injured), Ricky Rubio (injured), Jeremy Lin, Klay Thompson, Wesley Matthews, Andre Miller, Goran Dragic, Marcus Thornton and Mike Conley.
So Jamal Crawford can’t even make the 2013 Western Conference All-Star Ballot but the above busters, I mean guards, can [make the ballot]?!?!?!?!?! [SMGDMFH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
Straight politics like a MFer!!!!!!!!!
doc
November 14th, 2012
9:54 am
aj is d12 is getting exposed?
needs svg?
heh heh
is he in same category as marvin with chronic back issues a limitation?
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
9:56 am
I forgot to include another buster [I mean guard] and that’s Stephen Curry [smh].
Najeh Davenpoop
November 14th, 2012
10:04 am
“Drew having Stevenson in the game with his broken down shot instead of Morrow has cost us at least 2 games this season already”
Stevenson is shooting 46% from 3 so far this season. I did not expect much out of him when he came here but he has been a pleasant surprise. Morrow deserves more minutes, but they should come at the expense of Harris more so than Stevenson.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 14th, 2012
10:06 am
“Have you compared Deng’s current stats to Josh Smith’s and Al Horford’s [current stats]?”
Josh’s FG%, FT% and points will normalize back to his career averages as the season goes along. I still doubt that Deng gets another All Star nod over Josh unless Chicago significantly outperforms Atlanta in the standings again.
Sam
November 14th, 2012
10:08 am
I wonder if the Clippers would do a trade of Travis Leslie/Trey Thompkins for Jenkins/Mike Scott?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
10:17 am
Danny Green GW 3 last night at Lakers. If he was on our team he wouldn’t play with LD as coach
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
10:23 am
Derrick Favors is on the 2013 Western Conference All-Star Ballot and “Duck” [Marvin Williams] isn’t on the ballot [LMAO].
Slimjr
November 14th, 2012
10:25 am
No debate there doc.. LOL!
Woody aka [ball-so-hard] has a lot of work to do in the post season to right his record..
Yes the Knicks have been on the decline for so long, they are long over due to become a force again in the East..
Yea Woody, like coach Mike Smith [0-3] have their work cut out for them..
Slimjr
November 14th, 2012
10:36 am
So Gasol, takes a game ending 3 point shot and loses the ballgame. It was Josh like? Hmmmm
And some want this buster?
Rod from College Park
November 14th, 2012
10:39 am
“Al 15 feet of the basket and he will pass it to the player furthest away from the basket. Reminds me of Joe when he does that. I’m not sure why we’re looking at his shooting percentages when he doesn’t even want to shoot. he defects his shots off to Korver. When we talk about Josh shooting too much also talk about Al passing too much instead of taking the shots. He’s getting drilled on defense.”
Ding!!!!
Astro Joe
November 14th, 2012
10:53 am
Hawks and Bobcats have the same record.
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
11:15 am
Slimjr, doc and other bloggers,
The Knicks currently have the 1 seed and the Hawks and Bobcats are currently tied for the 8 seed in the Eastern Conference Standings. (It appears the Bobcats currently own the tiebreaker with the Hawks and I’m sure some of you bloggers know where I’m going with this.) A 2013 Hawks-Knicks first round playoff series matchup would be a [straight up] “trip.” LD vs. Woody. I’m sure Woody would love to give LD and the ASG their “comeuppance.”
Oh the Humanity!!!! [LMAO]
O'Brien
November 14th, 2012
11:24 am
Slimjr,
Besides this Blog has been a love fest for Allstar AL..
I think most of the regular bloggers have accepted Al for what he is. A solid player, who has his limitations, and is better suited for Center (not PF).
But unlike you and others, we don’t hold it against him because he was selected as a multiple all-star. Being chosen an all-star does not change the type of player he is. And its not like Josh doesn’t have his fans on here who think he can do no wrong.
As for your Knicks, enjoy the early success. Because (imo), once Amare comes back, the team will start losing again
Buddy Grizzard
November 14th, 2012
11:27 am
“Royce White is having a fallout with the Rockets, could probably get him for cheap to fill the SF role.”
Danny Ferry is rumored to be one of the GMs who would not consider drafting White due to his emotional issues. Now that White is waging a PR war against the team that drafted him (even though they are treating him no different than Montejunas, who bypassed the Olympics to get to training camp early and try to make HOU’s rotation this year), I imagine Ferry is pretty comfortable with that position.
Buddy Grizzard
November 14th, 2012
11:31 am
“During the last draft I was hoping DA HAWKS could get him so badly…”
Me too… I was sad to see him come off the boards before the Hawks picked. I knew that he would drop because of his emotional issues, and I hoped he would drop all the way to the Hawks.
He’s a lot like Anthony Mason. He’s too slow to be a rotation small forward and not explosive enough to be an elite power forward, but he handles the ball and passes like Magic. I’m not even exaggerating. I saw him pull off some passes in summer league I had never seen before.
Not saying I don’t wish he was a Hawk. Just saying I don’t think Ferry will ever take a chance on him.
cdog
November 14th, 2012
11:42 am
larry drew doesn”t know his players roles. he has a shooter in john jenkins sitting on the bench.he has devin harris sitting instead of jeff teague who plays stupid during crunch time.kyle korver and za za pachulia hasn”t played defense yet but are in the game during defensive situations. as long as drew coaches the hawks, they won”t win a championship.if the lakers don”t want phil jackson, what about the hawks? he would straighten out their puzzling situation.he would bring in a big man to man the middle.pachulia will never win a championship either
Buddy Grizzard
November 14th, 2012
11:57 am
As far as All-Star selections are concerned, I doubt Josh and Lou are going to continue playing as badly as they have thus far and the Hawks are going to improve. So far they’ve beaten the defending Western Conference champs and might have beat the Heat if LD wasn’t terrible.
Thus, I believe the Hawks are going to feast on sub .500 teams like they did last year and be well above .500 by the All-Star break. I believe the Hawks will get two All-Star nods and they will be Josh and Teague. I don’t think Horford will ever make another All-Star team due to the elimination of the center position.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
12:24 pm
ROTFLMAOLOL @ anyone thinking Smoove is making the All Star team this season
I MUS WRITE
November 14th, 2012
12:28 pm
The only player worthy of All Star recognition today is……Jeff Teague
Josh will probably be left off the team again this yr. Too many sf/pf Horford wont make it over hibbert or chandler …..Next
Astro Joe
November 14th, 2012
12:31 pm
Well,, Woody is in the lead to coach the All-Star game. So if Teague makes the roster, he won’t play.
Seriously, Irving, Jennings and Holiday are more likely (IMO) to make the game in February (behing Deron & Rondo) than Teague.
doc
November 14th, 2012
12:31 pm
12-22
0-8
all i got to say right now.
I MUS WRITE
November 14th, 2012
12:32 pm
Could have, should have …….U are what your record says you are. This team is better than last yr because teague josh and al dont have to defer to JJ and we have better shooters IMO
Korver/Morrow/Stevenson>>> JJ/Marvin
I dont miss marvin at all If our idiot coach would give Ivan and morrow more minutes we would be better off. I just glad i dnt hv to see this guy anymore.
I MUS WRITE
November 14th, 2012
12:38 pm
Wait a sec…..I forgot about Rondo DWill and Kyrie…Jeff Teague doesnt have a snow balls chance in haities. Jos smith is still doing the same garbage as previous seasons. Dude just shut up and play -the cryn and whining makes you look stupid coaches wont vote him in for the same reasons as seasons past.
Just curious how many of us would do a Horford/1st/filler for Aldridge
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
12:50 pm
Right now, Anderson Varejao of the Cavs would probably be selected to the 2013 All-Star Team before Josh Smith and Al Horford.
Anderson Varejao – 15.9ppg, 13.7rpg, 3.4apg, 60.8%FG%, N/A3PFG% and 71.4%FT%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/varejan01.html
MsDee
November 14th, 2012
12:54 pm
I would rather change our coach 1st b4 moving any of our players right now.
myrak43
November 14th, 2012
1:11 pm
maybe it is not the coach. maybe this team is just flawd.
the same things were said about Woody when he was a Hawk. now he maybe coach of the year. if we get a real center and a real point gaurd ( I do feel Teague could be the point we need, I just want him to play like every game) then maybe we would be a real team.
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
1:13 pm
The NBA: Where Politics Happens!
[I believe] Lou Williams was last season’s SMOY runner-up and led the Sixers in scoring [last season] at 14.9ppg but, yet, didn’t start a single game. And he’s [Lou Williams] left off the 2013 Eastern Conference All-Star ballot but Raymond Felton, Jose Calderon, Gerald Henderson, Kirk Hinrich, Brandon Knight, Rodney Stuckey and John Wall are on the 2013 All-Star ballot?!?!?!?!? This is ludicrous!!!!
The Wizards and Pistons currently have win-loss records of 0-6 and 0-8, respectively. These two teams should have NO players on the 2013 Eastern Conference All-Star ballot until they WIN a game [at the very least]. The NBA just keeps getting it WRONG!!!!!! [SMH]
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
1:32 pm
@northcyde
northcyde
November 13th, 2012
12:21 am
Look at LA choking.
See . . that’s why YOU’RE not an All-Star either.
——————————————————————————————–
I know I’m a little late but I don’t know where you got your info. [from] because LA [LaMarcus Aldridge] made the 2012 Western Conference All-Star Team.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html
Astro Joe
November 14th, 2012
1:42 pm
High-sider, I am pretty sure that individual teams get to choose which players are placed on the All-Star ballot.
Sautee
November 14th, 2012
1:43 pm
“Besides this Blog has been a love fest for Allstar AL. I know one small voice in this Gigantic wilderness will not make an impact for Josh positives, but I’m sure as heck gonna try…’ – slimjr
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This made me curious, so I went back and checked the last blog and this one. Here’s what I found:
Positive comments for Horford: 3
Negative comments for Horford: 12
Positive comments for Josh: 13
Negative comments for Josh: 7
Check it yourselves if you doubt me.
As I’ve said many times on this blog: Perception is NOT reality.
Sautee
November 14th, 2012
1:46 pm
Hey slim, that’s some kinda lovefest: 4:1 negative
doc
November 14th, 2012
1:49 pm
sautee,
slimj is a lot like my former wife who never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
12-22
0-8
Sautee
November 14th, 2012
2:01 pm
lol, doc, I had one of those, too.
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
Astro Joe,
My bad. If that’s the case, then the NBA should have final approval of which names are to be included on [or excluded from] the ballot.
Astro Joe
November 14th, 2012
2:29 pm
doc, what is 12-22 & 0-8?
vava74
November 14th, 2012
2:38 pm
AJ,
I would venture and say that this will be Josh line tonight 12/22 from the field 0/8 on mid/long range jumpers.
Can we seal it now as is?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
2:48 pm
Let Morrow play big mins. He scored like 37 in a game with them. GIVE HIM MINUTES
Sautee
November 14th, 2012
2:49 pm
AJ,
It’s actually to do with slim and doc’s “woody” discussion:
Woodson’s playoff record: 12-22
second round record: 0-8
Sorry, vava. Hey don’t you have some kind of genetic makeup that would lead to better guesses that that? You’re letting your heritage down.
Buddy G
November 14th, 2012
2:56 pm
Can’t wait to see Ezili start for gsw tonight. Also, Jeff Taylor is starting for charlotte
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
Astro Joe,
Sautee pretty much “nailed” it. Woody is still a better coach than LD [imo].
http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/woodsmi01c.html
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
3:02 pm
Morrow has scored 42 in a game before and had 37 as a rookie. He should be getting big minutes in this game
Astro Joe
November 14th, 2012
3:18 pm
Guys, thanks.
And let it be known that it was vava who attached those numbers to Josh, not me.
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
3:21 pm
Woody put defense before offense, so you have to say he’s a better coach just on principle alone. The same way in my mind, Thibodeau is a better coach than D’antoni. The only problem is, Woody nor LD is the coach to lead your team deep in the playoffs.
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
3:24 pm
Nate Robinson scored 45 in a game. But even he shouldn’t get major minutes in every game. If the choice is between Morrow and Korver over the most minutes, I choose Korver every time. If the choice is between Morrow and Lou when Devin is healthy, I choose Lou every time. In fact, I choose Jenkins over Morrow also, because he’s just as good of a shooter with more upside. So realistically, Morrow is the FOURTH best SG on the team.
Grandad
November 14th, 2012
3:27 pm
My genetic makeup … causes me to have a
selfindulgent predilection for cornbread !
* [Southern white man - not Jewish, that I know of ?]
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
3:35 pm
Guys, would you be for a trade of:
Atlanta gets:
G. Monroe
T. Prince
Detroit gets:
A. Horford
A. Morrow
?
Grandad
November 14th, 2012
3:36 pm
Ra`mon
NO
Jay Dubu
November 14th, 2012
3:38 pm
The Hawks are poised to have a nice little 6 – 7 game winning streak, and show themselves as a team that can compete.
Have to get Petro to anchor the low post, and take off. (at least on defense)
I would to see Jenkins get some time on the floor, and not just in blowouts.
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
3:47 pm
Sorry, salaries won’t work. So its:
Atlanta gets:
G. Monroe
C. Maggettee
Detroit gets:
A. Horford
A. Morrow
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
3:49 pm
Is Devin healthy??
No. And there’s no way in hell Jenkins should play over Morrow. I suspect you don’t watch any games
Grandad
November 14th, 2012
3:49 pm
Ra`mon
Why ?
would we take on TPrince’ $6m+ for 3yrs ?
Just to get Monroe;
only one inch taller than Horf, one inch longer standing reach,
6 in ches less vert leap = 5 inches less max vertical.
*note – the one inch hgt is true hgt sock feet.
Monroe has avged less rebs per game than Al career.
Monroe is not a rim protector, less than one per.
Again; I say WHY … ? … No, resoundingly,
I would not make that trade nor would DFerry !
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
3:51 pm
I doubt I would. But I do think in 2 seasons Monroe will be a top 3-4 center in the league. But I don’t like his defense enough to warrant a trade.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
3:51 pm
Morrow will lead us in scoring tonight
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
3:53 pm
Assuming he plays. Top 2 scorer on our team tonight
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
3:57 pm
G’d, you should know by now, I propose trades that I am not endorsing, just curious to see the responses to. Now one trade I would be open to would be a package for Varaejao depending on his overall health. Not because of a prisoner of the moment, but because of how active he is on the court.
MsDee
November 14th, 2012
4:01 pm
Chris Vivlamore @ajchawks
Stomach illness hits Hawks again. Al Horford a game-time decision, Devin Harris out tonight vs. Warriors. #ATLHawks
MsDee
November 14th, 2012
4:02 pm
Atlanta Hawks @ATLHawks
Kyle Korver and Anthony Morrow draining three’s at shoot around… ATL vs GSW on @sportsouth at 10:30 ET pic.twitter.com/1kY5MgbD
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
4:24 pm
Guys, I actually think that Al and Josh WITH CP3 is better than the Clippers with CP3.
Ken Strickland
November 14th, 2012
4:30 pm
Just like it took an injury to KHinrich for LDrew to finally overcome his VETERAN PREFERENCE BIAS and let Teague do his thing, the injury to DHarris just might do the same for AMorrow. We can only hope. Now if we could somehow get Drew to take the same approach with IJohnson over ATolliver, without the injury concerns of course.
This team has put to rest any concerns about it’s ability to defend. The only thing that’s stood in the way of us being 5-1 instead of 3-3, has been Drew’s unwillingness to play certain players that have demonstrated a hot hand(AMorrow), or the ability to provide exactly what we need most(IJohnson). He’s also yet to define the roles of most of our players.
Our biggest setback to date has been excessive TOs and untimely scoring droughts, and we have far too many scorers and scoring options, if used and used properly, to have so doggone many scoring droughts.
Ra'mon
November 14th, 2012
4:40 pm
KenS, with Morrow being a free agent, do you think he should get more minutes or Jenkins, who is signed for 2 more seasons?
High-sider
November 14th, 2012
4:45 pm
@Ra’mon
“Woody put defense before offense, so you have to say he’s a better coach just on principle alone…” -Ra’mon @3:21pm dated 11/14/2012
The following is what makes Woody a better coach than LD (imo):
2009 – 2010 Atlanta Hawks:
Win-loss record: 53-29 (Finished 3rd in the Eastern Conference)
Joe Johnson: 21.3ppg, 4.6rpg, 4.9apg
Jamal Crawford: 18.0ppg, 3.0apg, 2.5apg
Josh Smith: 15.7ppg, 8.7rpg, 4.2apg, (0-of-7 from 3pt. range)
2010 – 2011 Atlanta Hawks:
Win-loss record: 44-38 (Finished 5th in the Eastern Conference)
Joe Johnson: 18.2ppg, 4.0rpg, 4.7apg
Josh Smith: 16.5ppg, 8.5rpg, 3.3apg, 51-of-154 from 3pt. range (33.1%)*; 3pt.FG% was an anomaly
Jamal Crawford: 14.2ppg, 1.7rpg, 3.2apg
Josh Smith’s FG%’s from 2009 – 2012
2009 – 2010: 50.5%
2010 – 2011: 47.7%
2011 – 2012: 45.8%
The team’s best two scorers (Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford) watch their points per game averages decline while Josh Smith takes his “game” further and further away from the basket.
MsDee
November 14th, 2012
4:51 pm
KenS,
“Just like it took an injury to KHinrich for LDrew to finally overcome his VETERAN PREFERENCE BIAS and let Teague do his thing, the injury to DHarris just might do the same for AMorrow.”
True BUT wouldn’t that just continue to make Drew look good as a coach to maybe convince Ferry to keep him? Im tired of Drew slipping thru the cracks. His butt needs to be replaced, ASAP!!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
November 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
MsDee,
Don’t worry. Ferry didn’t leave one of the best-run organizations in sports (Spurs) to go construct a Larry Drew-led team. Ferry has credibility. Lame Duck is gone after the season.
cp
November 14th, 2012
6:05 pm
Looks like the blog monster got me
But Imus I doubt Hibbert makes the all star team. Dude has been beyond bad this season. I dont think he should have made it last year either but some guys were hurt and he happened to be a center so he made it
Melvin
November 14th, 2012
6:13 pm
Will Horford suck it up and play tonight? If not, the Josh crowd will bring the rain on the blog about AL missing a game for basically the same illness….