Video: Hawks still implementing new offense
What will the Atlanta Hawks starting lineup look like on opening night? CineSport’s Brian Clark and the AJC’s Chris Vivlamore discuss this and the implementation of the Hawks’ new offense.
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grimey
October 24th, 2012
7:00 pm
Love it
ag
October 24th, 2012
7:03 pm
2nd
ECF or Bust!
October 24th, 2012
7:14 pm
C VIV DA MAN
Slimjr
October 24th, 2012
7:18 pm
I believe this is a 2-4 seeded team..
The [Offense] will be unstoppable!
KJBeatz
October 24th, 2012
7:25 pm
more SHOOTERS MEANS MORE ROOM FOR JOSH SMITH TO WORK,,, WHEN U CANT DOUBLE JOSH HE WILL TAKE OFF.. 24 plus points per game season.. watch.. Not to mention bout 12 rebounds 4 assist 1.5 steals and 2 blocks a game…
I cant wait to here,. Kyle korver for 3 kyle korver for 3 josh with the slam .. lol..will be exciting
Sherewshevsky
October 24th, 2012
7:27 pm
Didn’t learn much from this interview.
Slimjr
October 24th, 2012
7:28 pm
Nets and Knicks at 7:30pm
Clippers and Lakers at 10:30pm
Nice!!!
Sherewshevsky
October 24th, 2012
7:29 pm
Unless Josh and Horford have improved their low post game significantly, I don’t see many teams doubling them. And few teams will win much in the playoffs shooting from the outside.
Just Joe
October 24th, 2012
8:35 pm
I learned Anthony Tolliver is in front of Damion James on the current depth chart.
I’m disappointed but not surprised as LD used to love him some Josh Powell too.
Hawks93
October 24th, 2012
8:49 pm
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Jae Evolution
October 24th, 2012
8:49 pm
Damion James or lottery.
Hawks93
October 24th, 2012
8:52 pm
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Big Ray
October 24th, 2012
9:17 pm
Already have the game…
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October 24th, 2012
9:19 pm
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Rev in Tampa
October 24th, 2012
10:08 pm
Regarding the Hawks promotion to pay the tolls; have they ever done this before? Seems like a decent way to avertise the team. I am originally from the Palmetto/Newnan area. What about the advertising outreach to the southside and elsewhere? I realize toll roads are the exception in Atlanta,but would it be possible to do the personal type of outreach in other ways?
Buddy Grizzard
October 24th, 2012
10:13 pm
Did anybody get a look at Derrick Brown before he was cut by the Spurs? By the way, with Brown and Eddie Curry cut, it looks like Josh Powell may have a shot to make the Spurs’ roster. If he does that I will feature him on rep atl dot com. I’ll be happy for him.
Runner-
October 24th, 2012
10:57 pm
@Rev,
Yep, they did this exact same thing last year after the lockout ended.
Hawks93
October 25th, 2012
3:30 am
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vava74
October 25th, 2012
3:41 am
It’s all fine and dandy to try and keep flexibility for a trade but why do it at the expense of a young player whose skill set is nothing like we have in the roster??
We only have SF which are either shooters, undersized, play no D, are tweener PF who can slide down, or a combination of all these four characteristics and James, although 6′7” (6′7”3/4 with shoes) plays bigger, rebounds like his life depended on that and brings perpetual hustle on the floor.
How can you guarantee that a trade would bring a player with this potential??
Not keeping James and truly evaluate him with floor time in real NBA games would be a CRIME.
tjhook
October 25th, 2012
5:29 am
Please Danny Ferry, compel LD to keep Damien James
ag
October 25th, 2012
6:10 am
The way Eddie Curry abused us, would we go out and sign him? Is he better than ZaZa?
vava74
October 25th, 2012
6:25 am
ag,
Curry has potential as a low post scorer due to his mass, however, he never rebounded anything remotely close to what he should based on his size.
His work ethic has been non existent. I am all for giving second opportunities, but unless you cut Petro, I don’t think we can afford ditching neither of the non guaranteed deals to accommodate a end of the bench reclamation project.
vava74
October 25th, 2012
7:08 am
…nor defended
ag
October 25th, 2012
7:37 am
I am sure he is better than Petro.
vava74
October 25th, 2012
8:51 am
ag,
That’s not that difficult. A clothes hanger is better than Petro.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 25th, 2012
8:58 am
This is one of my favorite NBA-related Tweets in a long time.
DeMar DeRozan @DeMar_DeRozan
Who the hell is John Hollinger!? #Clown
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Najeh Davenpoop
October 25th, 2012
8:59 am
Curry doesn’t fit very well with the uptempo style this team wants to play. I’d rather stick with what the Hawks have right now, minus Petro.
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
9:40 am
Darnell Mayberry: James Harden went 16 for 56 from the field this preseason & 5 for 20 from 3-point range. Could the contract be weighing on him? Twitter @DarnellMayberry
vava74
October 25th, 2012
9:55 am
MsDee,
I think its the weight of the beard. It’s getting too heavy and pushing his shin down, which on the other hand is messing up his aim.
That’s the same reason why Reggie Evans can’t hit FTs.
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
10:03 am
Joe Johnson in 32 min of action last night against NY went 4-8FG, 0-2 3Point, no FT, 1 REB, 2 AST, 1 TO finishing the night with 8 pts…
Wow, soon and very soon, Brookyln will be trying to send him back to us.
vava74
October 25th, 2012
10:15 am
MsDee,
JJ is averaging roundabout the same points, shooting averages, as usual during pre-season games.
Brooklyn may have roster problems but I don’t think one of them will be JJ.
MfG
October 25th, 2012
10:23 am
this team could be better than people think
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
10:27 am
vava74,
That may be true but Avery Johnson betta get it together because the brooklyn fans want wins and all they are doing so far is playing alot of ISO Joe and ISO Deron, no passing, ball movement, nor assists WHATSOEVER! Brook Lopez is truly an OC (in the words of KenS) Offensive Center. No rebounding or defensive skills WHATSOEVER!
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
10:33 am
vava74,
I can understand not having a good shooting night but he wasnt that bad, going 4-8. Not sure why he only shot 8 times w/o even touching the free throw line in 32 min. Only 2 AST with Deron, Wallace and Brooks on your team?? Joe still looking average out there.
vava74
October 25th, 2012
10:55 am
What is striking for me is that JJ shot a whopping 1 FT in 5 games (30 minutes per)…
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
10:55 am
Joe has nothing to prove in a preseason game. My guess is most 30-YO prefer to conserve their energy for real games (unless they are shaking off the rust as part of rehab from an injury). Let the guys grinding for an NBA contract go 100 MPH.
It looks like quite a few of the bigger names in the NBA will start the season in street clothes. Joining Derrick Rose on that list are Love, Bynum, Amar’e, Dirk and potentially Kobe.
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
11:10 am
Astro Joe,
True, most vet’s who have nothing to prove in the preseason games normally converse energy and all but Joe should at least give himself a new found goal this season and thats to go to the FT line at least 5 times a game. Preseason game are the prefect time to put that into practice. No reason at all that Joe should not try and put himself in better prosition to draw fouls.
O'Brien
October 25th, 2012
11:20 am
MsDee,
One of JJ’s weaknesses is his inability to get to the FT line, so I am not surprised even in a preseason game.
But if I’m a Nets fan, I wouldn’t worry about him, because I think once the season starts, JJ will do what he does, which is come close to his career averages (18, 4 and 4).
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
11:23 am
MsDee, except that getting to the free thow line requires getting fouled. If I’m an established vet, I don’t think my preseason strategy would be to get fouled more often than usual (and risk injury). Considering the paint will be crowded with Lopez posting up, Wallace slashing through and Humphries attacking the glass, I don’t think Joe needs to worry too much about creating FTAs for himself. If anything, he will need to knock down the open jumpers his teammates will create for him.
Just Joe
October 25th, 2012
11:36 am
AJ…your comment made me look. Hawks FTA’S attempts up from 21 per game in the regular season last year to over 28 per game so far in the preseason. Don’t know if it means anything, but worth noting. Variables include offensive effort, as well as defensive effort and quality of defenders.
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
11:57 am
Astro Joe, creating fouls doesn’t always have to come by via driving thru the lane and slashing cause u are right, could very well cause an injury but creating contact while attempting a jumper is not very hard to do. Case-in-point, how many foul attempts does Lou Williams have already? He isnt putting himself in danger of getting hurt, he just knows how to protect himself while creating contact from the defender. Joe could and should add that to his game.
Buddy G
October 25th, 2012
11:58 am
“Joe should not try and put himself in better prosition to draw fouls.”
Zaza has a better chance of making the All-Star team.
“Don’t know if it means anything, but worth noting.”
It means the Hawks now have Lou Williams on the roster.
Melvin
October 25th, 2012
11:59 am
Ok, let’s just get the obvious topic of many future blogs debates out of the way now. Joe, Marvin, Jamal and maybe Jordan will play well for their prospective teams. Could they have help the Hawks this season, maybe so. Now it’s settle.. Let’s move on…
Buddy G
October 25th, 2012
11:59 am
So nobody checked out Derrick Brown for the Spurs this preseason?
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
12:02 pm
MsDee, it would have been good for Joe to learn how to draw fouls, I’m not doubting you. I just think when you consider his current teammates and the fact that it is preseason, he may not feel the need to make that happen now.
Just Joe, with more slashers and super-quick guys who are hard to keep in front of you, I expect our FTAs to increase. I expect that we will score more points, have more TOs, more shots blocked (our shots blocked), more FTAs and more steals. And fewer rebounds (and wins).
Mark
October 25th, 2012
12:02 pm
I loved JJ when he was here , now that’s a nets problem
Buddy G
October 25th, 2012
12:05 pm
I will be fascinated to see how all these ex-Hawks perform. Hope they all have great seasons.
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
12:26 pm
So Atlanta has a new sports radio station, 92.9FM The Game. It is just a few days old and some of the content is extremely rough around the edges (like a host asks a question and then tells the caller they need to hold while they take a commercial break… something from high school radio).
Anyway, they seem to be interested in serving the basketball fans in Atlanta… a group that gets very, very little attention from the 2 incumbent sports stations. I’ve heard more NBA talk in 1-2 days on that station than I’ve heard in 9 months from the other guys.
They just had Josh Smith on the air (another sign of poor radio production, the interview ended suddenly without any formal “good-bye”). He disclosed a ton of information that I had never heard previously.
He had Rondo (former classmate) set-up a meeting with KG at KG’s house in California. KG provided Josh with some leadership tips for the coming season. He “really, really” wants to be an All-Star. He says that he absolutely has a chip on his shoulder and even mentioned the Bilas quote from his draft night (he brought it up unsolicited). He said the “chip” drives him to be the player that he is. He said “Joe is Joe” and that he always preferred to be a loner (off the court). He indicated that when the old teammates would go out, they would often have different sections (he specifically said that Joe would be one place, Marvin another place and other guys someplace else). During the recent preseason trip to San Antonio about a dozen of them went to dinner and then hung out afterwards together. He thinks having that off-the-court relationship will help them on the court. When asked if this will be “his team”, he said that with Joe leaving, he and Al are “next in line”. And on a side note, he says that he doesn’t have a favorite NFL team but is a HUGE Georgia Bulldogs fan and wants to earn a degree from UGA and become a member of Dawg Nation.
Unfortunately, the radio station’s website doesn’t appear to have a podcast section or I would have simply posted that link.
Again, for hoops fans, you may want to check out that station when you want to listen to sports talk radio. Rick Kamla from NBA-TV has a morning show, so I expect to hear some quality NBA news on my long commute every morning (as opposed to hearing yet another discussion about Alabama football).
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
12:27 pm
Melvin, will you be that dismissive if Josh ever leaves?
2 FOR JOHN DREW
October 25th, 2012
12:36 pm
Is it just me ? … But every time a player is cut I try to justify how or why the Hawks could use this guy ( like Solomon Jones or Eddy Curry) When actually if you were to pick him up this late into camp, he’s probably going to be in street clothes anyway & you’ll have to eat Petro’s salary ….. Which is the worst of the 2 evils …. Keeping someone’s whose been in camp, but won’t contribute that much or some new guy ……. SHEEEZ
Just Joe
October 25th, 2012
12:48 pm
2 for John Drew…Personally, I’m not that interested in adding another free agent vet (Okur, Pietrus, Curry, Jones, etc…), but I am interested in if the Hawks can find a young big-man project to try to develop during the season. There may not be room for Jordan in Memphis…Orton in OKC….or Pittman in Miami. Those are the kind of guys that I’m hoping Ferry is keeping an eye on. Orton has me the most interested as he’s the youngest of the bunch and the Hawks liked him in the 2010 draft. Supposedly after the James for Crawford & #31 trade, we only sold the 31st pick after Orton had already been taken just a couple picks before.
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
12:53 pm
The Dallas Mavericks announced today that they have indefinitely suspended guard Delonte West. “We have suspended Delonte for conduct detrimental to the team,” President of Basketball Operations Donnie Nelson said. “The suspension is effective immediately and no other statements will be issued.” Dallas Morning News
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
12:55 pm
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Najeh Davenpoop
October 25th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Ok, let’s just get the obvious topic of many future blogs debates out of the way now. Joe, Marvin, Jamal and maybe Jordan will play well for their prospective teams. Could they have help the Hawks this season, maybe so. Now it’s settle.. Let’s move on…”
Haha. If only it was that simple. I’m sure if Shareef was still playing people would find a way to bring his name up too.
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
1:38 pm
We have bloggers longing for players who we didn’t draft, surely we can evaluate players who we kicked to the curb.
cp
October 25th, 2012
1:38 pm
Orton and Pittman are terrible. I would rather bring back Benson than have either of those two on the team.
Fort Valley Wildcat
October 25th, 2012
1:43 pm
Astro Joe 12:26 pm
Good Post.
So basically, despite the “core” being together so long, they never were that tight off the court
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
2:00 pm
Fort Valley Wildact, yeah, this is the first time I’ve heard a player say it so explicitly. It would be silly to expect that 12+ grown men would have the identical interests and would have a herd mentality and go everywhere together while traveling on the road. (I can’t imagine that 12+ of my best friends together in Dallas/Detroit/Orlando/wherever could uniformly decide where we should go for a night on the town). But it is quite a statement to say that when they were together in the same venue, that they went their separate ways. I think that is very telling (and something many of us suspected for the past 5+ years).
Ken Strickland
October 25th, 2012
2:09 pm
I don’t understand Drew’s position on the SF position. He says he’s going to utilize a SF by committee approach. He mentioned Korver, who scores from outside but doesn’t defend or rebound. He mentioned Stevenson, who defends but doesn’ t rebound or score much. He also mentioned Tolliver, who’s not a SF even though he has the size and height of one.
Then he mentioned Josh, who would require an entire frontline change and weaken our bench at center. He failed to even mention DJames as a consideration, and he’s had the most encouraging camp at the position by far. He would give us more size, athleticism, rebounding, DEF, passing, and hustle at the position than we’ve had in yrs, and wouldn’t disrupt our frontline orweaken our backup center position.
I read an article that mentioned that JSmith wasn’t fundamentally sound as a rebounder. It mentioned how he’s relied almost exclusively on his athleticism and jumping ability to get the job done, and when he loses those attributes he’ll rapidly decline. They felt moving him to SF immediately would be the best move longterm for both he and the team.
He definitely wouldn’t have to work as hard to get position close to the basket or score against most NBA SFs, which could all but eliminate him escaping to the perimeter to avoid so much inside contact. Besides, with us now having 3 potential PGs that can penetrate, dish, and create easier scoring opportunities near the basket, he might be more inclined to take advantage of that by staying closer to the lane.
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
2:11 pm
cp, Hawks do need a WIDE BODY, though. Honestly, any player signed at this point isn’t likely getting a multi-year deal from any team and isn’t likely going to make a material impact on the Hawks roster this coming season. My guess is that those guys are headed to the D League and we can add one of them to the 2013 summer league roster.
Buddy Grizzard
October 25th, 2012
2:40 pm
Thanks for that report on 92.9 The Game, AJ, I will definitely check it out.
Buddy Grizzard
October 25th, 2012
2:53 pm
MsDee that’s some whacky, wild, Kool-Aid-style news about DWest. That might be his last shot in the NBA.
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
3:00 pm
I know rite, Buddy..I kinda felt sorry for him, just reading his twitts
Ken Strickland
October 25th, 2012
3:04 pm
If CVIVs assumtion that we’ll carry a full 15 man roster is correct, it could be that the play of DJames forced them to reconsider their position on carrying a smaller roster. At this point, JAnderson has been the least productive player on the current 16 man roster, and he’s possibly played the fewest mins as well.
With it being highly unlikely that he’ll beat out James, it looks like James has made the team.
Wabe
October 25th, 2012
3:11 pm
This is one of the funniest rosters I’ve seen to date, not funny in a bad way necessarily, but just the emphasis on gaurds, the lack of a true 3, and the thought of how undersized this team really is. The other option to make up for the lack of size is Drew trotting out the ‘big lineup’ with Zaza, Horford, and J.Smith with some kind of combination at gaurds.
It’ll be interesting to see. There’s potential, don’t see the ceiling as high as some others here though.
Rod from College Park
October 25th, 2012
3:16 pm
“What is striking for me is that JJ shot a whopping 1 FT in 5 games (30 minutes per)…”
Why is that so striking? I have not seen JJ draw a foul goiing to the basket for the Hawks in 2 years.
Rod from College Park
October 25th, 2012
3:20 pm
“But it is quite a statement to say that when they were together in the same venue, that they went their separate ways. I think that is very telling (and something many of us suspected for the past 5+ years).”
I mentioned many times on the blog that Joe and Josh never really kick it like that. Iv’e been out many times and seen Joe in a booth with his people and Josh in a booth with his people. It’s not really that big a deal though. While Joe makes more money than everyone on the team, there is not much he can do in a club or a restaurant that Josh or Marvin can’t do. So why would they want to be up under him, when they have their own people to take care of.
Artman
October 25th, 2012
3:37 pm
From Steve Kyler’s web chat at Hoopsworld.com:
What would your All NBA Team look like starting from 2002 to now?
If you are asking me to pick the by position one team from players drafted from 2002 to now….
PG – Chris Paul
SG – Dwyane Wade
SF – LeBron James
F – LaMarcus Aldridge/Al Horford/Kevin Love — pick one.
C – Dwight Howard
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors-chat-with-steve-kyler-102512/
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
3:38 pm
I really like the vibe I got after listening to Josh talk about how our new team bonded at a restaurant and a movie and basically how he compared it with the team of old with separation there. I know they are men of there own and dont really have to be all up on each other but then again, that what HELPS makes champions! The connection that LeBron, Wade, and Bosh plus add Chalmers to that crew gives them the necessary chemistry needed to be sucessful. I think with us being somewhat disconnected is what ultimately left us at our ceiling point. The “core” had to be broken up!
Dept. of Unintended Irony
October 25th, 2012
4:05 pm
“Kinda felt sorry for him, just reading his twitts”
When certain people tweet, this is the appropriate term.
b
October 25th, 2012
4:11 pm
Enter your comments here
Buddy Grizzard
October 25th, 2012
4:12 pm
MsDee another good example of off court chemistry relating to on court success: OKC.
Astro Joe
October 25th, 2012
4:18 pm
Rod, I’m an old, broke married man who goes home and helps my sons finish their homework every night. So I have no idea what today’s night life scene is like (thank goodness).
I think it is relevant because it is relevant to Josh (or at least he indicated as much on the radio today). I doubt that it is an issue during each and every road trip, but it is at least on his mind like the Bilas comment from 7-8 years ago. If the little brohter feels “unloved” in social settings, it could create an issue between the siblings (especially if the older brother refuses to explain why he prefers to do his own thing). Again, it was an unsolicited comment about off-court chemistry between the current group and the old group. And it was made by one of the team’s captains (from the old group).
MsDee
October 25th, 2012
4:27 pm
Exactly, Buddy..OKC is another gr8 example!! This is why I like Teague’s tweet when he said, “Cool team we have this year”, or something like that.
Grandad
October 25th, 2012
4:46 pm
In the work place, any work place, we should all know that
we are happier and more productive in our jobs when we like
and enjoy the company of the people we work with.
One may not run around with these folks every nite,
but an occasional get together is at least fun.
I remember hanging out with my colleagues [teachers]
with whom I shared an office daily.
Just the camaraderie during each day made my job better.
As for coaches:
” coaches coach; so they can hang out with other coaches ”
-Don Meyer- … espy Winner
My point:
if this is true for us regular folk;
it stands to reason , it would be the same for professional teammates.
Grandad
October 25th, 2012
4:52 pm
Astro Joe
I`m old and broke – only difference my young-uns are all grown up.
I can relate !
As for nite life – Supper, TV, and the blog – is there somethin` else ?