Atlanta Hawks: Rookies getting noticed
Vivlamore reporting. The Hawks are off today. Here is my story on rookies John Jenkins and Mike Scott that will appear in Saturday’s print edition of the AJC.
John Jenkins and Mike Scott are on the verge of doing something two Hawks picks haven’t done in four previous drafts.
Make the team.
Consider the team’s recent history:
* 2011 – Keith Benson
* 2010 – Damion James (traded) and Pape Sy
* 2009 – Jeff Teague and Sergiy Gladyr
* 2008 – No picks
Of that group, only Teague made the team in his draft year. You have to go back to 2007 when Al Horford and Acie Law were kept on the roster as rookies.
Coach Larry Drew said Jenkins and Scott possess an NBA skill set. While the two are still learning the speed of the professional game, they will, in all likelihood, be contributors off the Hawks bench this season.
First-round draft pick John Jenkins works on his 3-point shot during a recent Hawks practice. BOB ANDRES BANDRES@AJC.COM
Jenkins, the team’s first-round pick (No. 23 overall) was considered one of the nation’s best shooters in this year’s draft out of Vanderbilt. The 6-foot-6 guard led the SEC in scoring each of the past two seasons. He tied for 16th in the nation with a 19.9 points per game average and tied for 10th by shooting 43.9 percent from 3-point range last year.
“I can see he’s doing a lot of thinking,” Drew said during training camp. “When you do too much thinking it takes away a little bit from your instinctive moves. Right now, he’s learning. He’ll continue to learn. Once he gets comfortable with everything, I’ll see a better flow with him. John can shoot the basketball. He’s, right now, at this level trying to learn a whole new system which he is not accustomed to. I expected that.”
Jenkins has appeared in three of the Hawks’ five exhibition games this season. He sat out Thursday’s game against the Hornets with a left hand contusion. While on the court, Jenkins has made 5 of 13 field-goal attempts, including 3 of 7 from 3-point range. His total of 13 points is an average of 4.3 per game.
Jenkins, the Hawks’ leading scorer in summer league play with 15.6 points, said the pace of NBA play has been his greatest adjustment during training camp and the exhibition season. He has not had an issue getting his shot attempts.
“I’m not used to having open shots,” Jenkins said. “I had an open shot every time I touched the ball against the Spurs (his exhibition debut). That’s way different for me. Adjusting to that has been a good adjustment rather than a bad one. In college, I was getting double-teamed so much. When I came out here, everybody is so good that you can’t do that. There is a lot more space.”
Scott, a second-round pick (No. 43), said he has adapted well offensively, but learning the defensive principles has given him the most problems.
Scott, who came out of Virginia 21st in the nation with a .563 field-goal percentage, has appeared in four exhibition games. The 6-8 forward has made 11 of 28 field-goal attempts. His total of 28 point is a 7.0 per game average. Scott is also averaging 3.5 rebounds per game.
Second-round draft pick Mike Scott shoots free throws during a recent practice. BOB ANDRES BANDRES@AJC.COM
“I was nervous when it first started out, excited and nervous,” Scott said. “I’m just trying to learn. Learn from the vets, Al (Horford), Josh (Smith), Anthony Tolliver, those guys who play my position. I think each day I’m getting better and better but I still have a lot more to go.”
Scott hit a clutch 3-pointer against the Spurs in his debut Oct. 10. The shot, part of his 11 points and seven straight, tied the game with four seconds remaining before the Spurs won at the buzzer.
Drew said he designed the play to put the rookie in a pressure situation.
The play was not completely new to Scott. It was in the Virginia playbook – stolen from the Timberwolves as a set for Kevin Love – although never run during a game. Scott said he received a call from Virginia coach Tony Bennett who immediately noticed the play and joked that Drew was stealing his plays.
“It was probably one of the biggest shots I’ve ever taken, even though it was a preseason game,” Scott said. “For him to call that play for me shows he has a lot of confidence in me at that time. If I make it, I make it as long as I don’t shy away from it.”
- Chris Vivlamore
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Astro Joe
October 19th, 2012
1:12 pm
CV, James was traded on draft night for Jamal Crawford who did make the team and got a little playing time before he was traded.
FTPB, not only is Harris’ injury record a concern, but Damion James may explode if he actually plays more than 35 games in a single NBA season.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 19th, 2012
1:22 pm
^Jordan Crawford
Chris Vivlamore
October 19th, 2012
1:22 pm
Astro Joe: I will make that clearer.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 19th, 2012
1:23 pm
Morrow, Jenkins, and Korver all seem like pretty much the same player to me. Tough to see how all three can be useful. The same could be said about Teague, Harris, and Lou, but those three are all better all-around players than these three non-defending, non-shot-creating sharpshooters.
Dasher
October 19th, 2012
1:27 pm
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what happened to Hoopinion and if ESPN is supposed to have another Hawks blog? I haven’t been able to find anything about that.
Chris Vivlamore
October 19th, 2012
1:37 pm
MyTopSportsbook.com sent me their odds for teams to win the NBA title. Hawks are 16th.
1. Miami Heat: 2/1 (Wins $200 on a $100 bet.)
2. Los Angeles Lakers: 5/2 (Wins $250 on a $100 bet.)
3. Oklahoma City Thunder: 4/1 (Wins $400 on a $100 bet.)
4. Chicago Bulls: 12/1 (Wins $1200 on a $100 bet.)
5. San Antonio Spurs: 16/1 (Wins $1600 on a $100 bet.)
6. Los Angeles Clippers: 20/1 (Wins $2000 on a $100 bet.)
7. Boston Celtics: 20/1 (Wins $2000 on a $100 bet.)
8. Brooklyn Nets: 25/1 (Wins $2500 on a $100 bet.)
9. New York Knicks: 25/1 (Wins $2500 on a $100 bet.)
10. Dallas Mavericks: 30/1 (Wins $3000 on a $100 bet.)
11. Indiana Pacers: 30/1 (Wins $3000 on a $100 bet.)
12. Memphis Grizzlies: 30/1 (Wins $3000 on a $100 bet.)
13. Philadelphia 76ers: 40/1 (Wins $4000 on a $100 bet.)
14. Denver Nuggets: 60/1 (Wins $6000 on a $100 bet.)
15. Houston Rockets: 60/1 (Wins $6000 on a $100 bet.)
16. Atlanta Hawks: 60/1 (Wins $6000 on a $100 bet.)
17. Utah Jazz: 75/1 (Wins $7500 on a $100 bet.)
18. Minnesota Timberwolves: 65/1 (Wins $6500 on a $100 bet.)
19. Portland Trailblazers: 100/1 (Wins $10000 on a $100 bet.)
20. Milwaukee Bucks: 100/1 (Wins $10000 on a $100 bet.)
21. Orlando Magic: 150/1 (Wins $15000 on a $100 bet.)
22. New Orleans Hornets: 150/1 (Wins $15000 on a $100 bet.)
23. Phoenix Suns: 150/1 (Wins $15000 on a $100 bet.)
24. Golden State Warriors: 150/1 (Wins $15000 on a $100 bet.)
25. Cleveland Cavaliers: 200/1 (Wins $20000 on a $100 bet.)
26. Detroit Pistons: 200/1 (Wins $20000 on a $100 bet.)
27. Washington Wizards: 200/1 (Wins $20000 on a $100 bet.)
28. Sacramento Kings: 250/1 (Wins $25000 on a $100 bet.)
29. Toronto Raptors: 250/1 (Wins $25000 on a $100 bet.)
30. Charlotte Bobcats: 500/1 (Wins $50000 on a $100 bet.)
jgsbirds
October 19th, 2012
1:42 pm
looking forward to the season to get started. couldn’t watch the game last night but it sounds like the team got rolling in the 2nd half. even though it is preseason–it’s good to get wins–gives the team the right attitude.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 19th, 2012
1:49 pm
Not that odds should ever be interpreted as predictions, but the Mavs are way too high and the Jazz and T-Wolves are way too low on that list.
Grandad
October 19th, 2012
1:53 pm
Najeh … ” Tough to see how all three can be useful ”
Teaguer / Harris / Lou:
Only two of the three will remain to be seen – which ?
In the mean – pressure def requires conditioning & depth.
Personally – I see Lou as our pg down the road;
Teaguer gets traded … Value ! Danny did not sign Lou to trade him.
*[do you see any correlation between Lou and TParker / skill set] ?
JJenkins; KKorv; Morrow:
JJ + rook = time will tell.
Korv = vet leadership + *defensive smarts ( IQ ) if not foot speed.
*Thibs influence [in] teaching / learning / experience
Morrow = another shooter when one has a bad nite …..
also Morrow young enough to have TradeValue !
Sum = Big Picture !
cp
October 19th, 2012
1:59 pm
Lou is not a pg. He is a guy that comes off the bench and gets buckets
Slimjr
October 19th, 2012
2:05 pm
Just Joe
October 19th, 2012
5:58 am
“Let’s not get too excited. We were out rebounded on our own court by a front line of R. Lopez, A. Davis, H. Warrick, and R. Anderson. We shot 41% from the field. That’s LD’s lofty defensive goal. I guess he would have given NO a gold star. I’m glad we won, but I’m still saying, as is, we will probably miss the playoffs. We’re not deep enough up front, and have too many one dimensional players on the roster”
Just Joe: A man full of Wisdom!
JJ the Hawks just dismantled a Lottery team and some believe this team is a contender already?
That Bridge up in Brooklyn maybe up for sale….. lol
6th in defense without the Allstar? Hmmmmmmm
Danny Ferry
October 19th, 2012
2:08 pm
When did Jenkins become 6′6″…he was listed at 6′4″ coming out of college.
Slimjr
October 19th, 2012
2:10 pm
Like those undefeated Falcons whose 1st [6] opponents are a whopping 47-65 combined, the Hawks will be tested by the Elite and we will see how they measure up..
Stay tuned..
Just Joe
October 19th, 2012
2:27 pm
Ken S…FTPB, I expect this team to struggle because of chemistry issues that LD will not be able to manage through.
Free agents “to be” Teague, Harris, Korver, Morrow, and Stevenson are all used to getting 20+ minutes a night. More than one of them is going to get upset with LD’s irrational substitution patterns.
I believe in clearly defined roles & expectations. I think that players have a tendency to “be ready” when they know how they are going to be used. Woody was too rigid with his roster, but LD is his polar opposite, and this roster of “tweeners” & overlapping skillsets isn’t going to help.
I also think that a jumpshot-oriented offense will create some animosity when certain shooters go cold or demonstrate questionable shot selection. Guys get tired of hustling down court, setting hard screens, cutting to the basket, etc… just to see somebody jack up a contested jumper with plenty of time left on the shot clock. This is where the coach has to show that he’s in control, and make sure that everyone understands the offensive philosophy.
Above is just an opinion though. If I’m wrong, and LD gets this team to a 4th seed or better (like some here predict), he deserves coach of the year consideration and a new contract (another opinion).
Ignition
October 19th, 2012
2:31 pm
Playoffs gonna be a challenge, so lets not mention title..
However we have a lot of decent parts an should be way more exciting to watch..
Runner-
October 19th, 2012
2:44 pm
Cp, to be honesy, neither is Teague. D Harris impressed me the most at point last night, and I think he might be able to claim the starting spot if Teague’s ankle injury holds him back
Astro Joe
October 19th, 2012
2:58 pm
Oops, yes, Jordan (Crawford).
I see the odds makers have the Hawks as the 8th most likely team to win the championship. That’s about where i see this team in terms of conference ranking, in that 7-8 range.
I’m a little more bullish on the Raptors than most (I guess).
MsDee
October 19th, 2012
2:58 pm
Just Joe,
The only person that falls into that category of “jacking up a contested jumper with plenty of time left on the shot clock,” is Josh. And you are right about, “it will create some animosity, guys getting tired of hustling down court, setting hard screens.” If Drew wont or cant take control of his team if and when this happens, trust me, he too will be joining my boy Keith Benson, waiting for their next big gig.
Astro Joe
October 19th, 2012
3:09 pm
To use a baseball term, it appears that LD will deploy a “platoon” at PG this season. Teague, Devin and even Lou will form a 3-headed PG over 48 minutes.
Grandad
October 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
Our Hawks are a play-off team, though not a (4) seed.
DHarris is not here long term.
Lou is.
Teague ?
KKorv may? be around longer than yawl think.
DF will acquire another Big eventually [this yr] – ColeAldrich perhaps?
Zaza; Al; Ivan; … not tiny … just not long and rangy.
Our three combo guards are small when combined;
-but-
when paired with:
DeSteve / Korv / Morrow / Jenkins = norm size bk-ct
James; Josh; DeSteve; Korv; Morrow; others equal:
size; shooters; quickness; defense; rebounding @ the [3].
Mix & Match
____________________________________________
LD / 30 games
ctrim
October 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
When did the term All Star become derogatory? Shouldn’t be blogging if you are that much smarter than NBA coaches/executives. Al was lucky enough to be named an All Star not once, but twice? Brilliant observations. So brilliant I will create a new blog name and agree with myself.
Lottery Pick
October 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
That ctrim is a smart one..cosign
O'Brien
October 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
Najeh,
With Jenkins, Korver and Morrow, it allows LD to have a shooter on the floor at all times if he wants to. But I agree. They seem very redundant.
Grandad,
I think LD makes it through the year, because the Hawks will be battling for one of the playoff spots (imo, 7-8).
Rod from College Park
October 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
The Jenkins pick looks worse and worse everyday. The guy can shoot, but so can Morrow, Korver, Lou and Stevenson. We still need a SF, and a center, that wants to be a center.
Alex
October 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
That Jeff Schultz sure is an idiot.
Ra'mon
October 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
G’dad, though it’s rare, I agree with you (in reference to Teague). I don’t see Teague being the point guard of the future for this team. I’m not sure its Lou either. But when Harris is healthy, I put Teague as the 3rd best option at PG on this team. Teague just seems to have too many moments when he doesn’t ‘get it’. Teague goes and out plays Rose in stretches. But then he turns around and gets dominated by an average Joe. Teague is easily in the top 6 of most athletic PGs in the league. With that athletic ability, there’s NO REASON for him not to be as lethal as Mookie or Payton on the defensive end. If Teague went all out on the defensive end, that alone would change the entire makeup of this team. However, with him playing AVERAGE defense, and his offense being worst than Harris and Lou’s, than that leaves him replaceable. So truthfully, when given a healthy Harris, I think Teague should be the 6th man. With Harris and Lou starting in the back court, I think you have two guards who know how and when to create shots and when to get others involved.
Also, the decision on SF I believe will decide just how much guts LD has. I think a vast majority of us believe that James should be the starting SF most nights. It takes guts for a head coach to start a training camp invite on the first game of the season. However, from what WE’VE seen, is there any other player in the running for minutes at SF who has out performed James? I believe you possibly keep your shooters (Morrow and Korver) together to put them with Ivan and Zaza. When Ivan and Zaza are out there working, they will give teams fits if they have two shooters with them, and a penetrating point guard.
So at this point, my depth chart for the team would be (with health not being an issue):
Starters – Harris, Williams, James, Josh, Al
2nd unit – Teague, Morrow, Korver, Ivan, Zaza
Reserves – Stevenson, Jenkins, Petro (you have to have 3 centers on bench, no matter how good they are).
GAIL
October 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
I was at the Charlotte game last night and I must say I was very impressed with our TEAM. Jeff played with so much confidence and Al looked like an ALLSTAR.
Astro Joe
October 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Stevenson, Korver and Morrow will be gone (at worse) in May, with 1-2 of them gone in February. One thing is for sure, you don’t draft a non-lottery player because you expect great production from him in the first 3-4 months of his NBA career.
Slimjr
October 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
Mookie> Teague all day every day.. No contest!
Slimjr
October 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
Rod from College Park
October 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
“The Jenkins pick looks worse and worse everyday. The guy can shoot, but so can Morrow, Korver, Lou and Stevenson. We still need a SF, and a center, that wants to be a center.”
I’m afraid I may agree Rod..
We need PJ3 more so right now at the 3.. This dude is smooth off the dribble at 6′11″ and and he is [mid-range Shawty] for real! His mid-range jumper is deadly.. Un-guardable….
“Shoot the J! Shoot it!” -Dave Chappell-
Slimjr
October 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
At least he was not #2 pick Rod? lol!
jhan
October 19th, 2012
4:58 pm
Mookie > Teague – take you long to figure that one out?
Najeh Davenpoop
October 19th, 2012
5:28 pm
” I see Lou as our pg down the road”
Based on what? Yeah, his assist-turnover ratio is great, but he has never had to create for teammates before. Teague and Harris have. Not saying he can’t do it, but you would think if he had that ability Philly would have used him in that role at some point. It’s not like they have had a ton of elite pass-first point guards there.
grimey
October 19th, 2012
6:04 pm
I thought Jenkins was 6′4
Remembering Roundfield
October 19th, 2012
6:16 pm
Who in the heck is PJ3? I try to keep up with the initials guys, but I’m gettin’ older and I also have a life…
cp
October 19th, 2012
6:27 pm
Its Perry Jones from Baylor….
Echevarria
October 19th, 2012
6:46 pm
Heres my version of the lineup I’d like to see, ill explain after:
Starters: Teague, Jenkins (if LD has guts), James (if LD has guts), Smith, Horford
Second unit: Harris, Williams, Korver, Ivan, Zaza
Reserves: Petro, Scott, Stevenson
Here’s why I like that starting lineup. Firstly, you get Horf and Smith as a dynamic duo at the 4-5. They may both be tweener’s, but they work together very well. They space the lane perfectly for each other, no reason to disrupt that. We keep Teague starting because he SHOULD be our PG of the future, so let him continue to start now and gain experience with the core of Smith/Horf. We get to test Jenkins out early, he can spread the floor for the inside guys, and he won’t be relied on heavily within the first unit because he will be the 4th option on offense at best, so he’ll get to experience the flow of the game. James has just proven he can play ball. I was happy when we drafted him years ago, then pissed when we shipped him out. I wanted him the whole time leading to the draft.
Here is the strength of the Hawks in this scenario, our second unit. We have Harris and Williams, but up-tempo, shot creating Guards who need the ball in their hands to make plays. They get to be on the floor with “dirty-work guys” like Zaza and Johnson. Both guys who are more than happy to rebound and set screens. This way Harris and Williams both get to play to their fullest potentials by being in their role, offensive weapons who get to create. We would have solid rebounding for them and they would be the primary offensive options when they are on the court.
Mickey Facyz
October 19th, 2012
6:47 pm
Let’s set some things straight.
1) You wanna hear some whiners? Go over to the nests blog and watch them bash the slow-footed Deron Williams
2) We do not have a prototypical PG on our roster (Stockton/Nash) What we do have is a bunch of beasts with elite ball handling capabilities who can get you five to eight dimes a night (well…..not in this pass oriented motion offense but you get what i’m saying). “JeDevLou” is athletic and all have played Shooting Guard in their lives. Two days ago I was on a Hornets blog and they wanted one of our PG’s (Didn’t matter which one) because they don’t have one. Be thankful Hawks fans. Very Thankful.
2) You obviously didn’t watch the game if you don’t think Teague is our starting Point Guard
3) Please stop Crying over our Small Forward Spot. Anyone we place there is better than Marvin’s clumbsy, no dribblin’, not shot makin’, butterfinger, Mr “I can’t post up a Point Guard without gettin’ my shot blocked” self.
4) My Expendables list: Stevenson, Tolliver, Petro, Zaza, James and maybe Scott. Look for Danny to shake somethin’ up when it gets closer to the trade deadline.
SB75
October 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
I to wanted PJ3 and was a little pissed with Jenkins being the pick. However with Ferry coming in on short notice, I attributed the pick to someone the Spurs looked at with their pick. Therefore Ferry was comfortable and familiar with him. SO he took the guy he was likely to take with the Spurs.
Harpie
October 19th, 2012
7:01 pm
Why waste your time imagining what the Hawks might do? Because the worst coach on earth is going to drag them down to the bottom of the barrel no matter what the players are capable of…
Mickey Facyz
October 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
I didn’t know Mike Woodson Still Coached here?
D. Ransby
October 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Perry Jones knees will NOT hold out! He has 3 to 4 years tops on those knees until they become like Webber post surgery. It’s bone on bone now… He is skinny so he wont be able to post up to compensate. Jenkins can and will always be able to shoot. Rarely do you see someone with a shooting stroke so polished in the NBA, much rather college. Short term, Perry will probably outshine Jenkins, but next year is the year Jenkins will get major playing time. Jenkins was the right pick at the time and the right pick now…
VinceVanGo
October 19th, 2012
8:09 pm
Hey whatever happened to Pape Sy? I thought he was suppose to make the team this year and I don’t think he was even invited to camp,
ag
October 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
My ESPN the MAG came in today. The Hawks are ranked #2 in the East. I would feel very comfortable with that – but only if Sloan or another coach is coaching the team. I am pulling for LD – and I hope we do as expected.
Runner-
October 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
No way Hawks will finish at #2 this season lmao, especially with LD at the helm and with no true starting SF or no true center on the roster
ag
October 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
Ra’mon, the problem with the lineup that you propose will not give us enough fire power for the second unit. Teague and Harris played really well together. Lou is instant offense off the bench. I am probably the last one who likes the ‘6th’ man off the bench, but Lou appears to gravitate for that opportunity. Lou, Morrow and Korver off the bench will certainly provide the scoring punch and make up for the deficiencies of ZaZa and Ivan. Those two I would only want them to focus on rebounding and great defense.
The starters of Teague, Harris, James, Al and Josh I think is the best. I like James because he appears to be a very strong rebounder. Our outside shooting will struggle with these starters though. Some games you may want to tinker and get a Korver or Morrow starting.
The other two players dressing, Scott and Jenkins.
Petro, and Tolliver and Stevenson should wear suits.
Good luck Anderson…
ag
October 19th, 2012
8:56 pm
Runner – not my prediction, I just read it. I have to double check to make sure they were not just saying second in their division. As an optimistic Hawk fan, we will have a really fun season if that comes to fruition.
VinceVanGo – Pape Sy looked terrible in the Summer League. After MC said the kid really beefed up on the weights, he just looked bad. To top it off, he did not even make his Olympic team.
Harpie – I am also very tough on LD, but he did keep it together after all of those injuries last year.
Astro Joe
October 19th, 2012
9:03 pm
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Melvin
October 19th, 2012
9:09 pm
Watching the Knicks/Raps. The Knicks look terrible… I know they are trying to work some new players into the rotation but they look in disarray.
Troll report.
October 19th, 2012
9:16 pm
One mans imagination
Runner-
D. Ransby
VinceVanGo
Mickey Facyz
Harpie
grimey
Echevarria
GAIL
Alex
jgsbirds
Ignition
Dasher
Mickey Facyz
October 19th, 2012
9:20 pm
16. Atlanta Hawks: 60/1 (Wins $6000 on a $100 bet
Not much has changed. Still a middle of the pact team.
BravesFan79
October 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Yall are morons saying to trade Morrow, or saying hes not starter worthy. Dude can light it up from midrange, long range, play some defense, and is one of the top 3 pt shooters in the league! Start Morror at SF! GT fan for life baby..
Buddy Grizzard
October 19th, 2012
9:40 pm
“The Jenkins pick looks worse and worse everyday. The guy can shoot, but so can Morrow, Korver, Lou and Stevenson. We still need a SF, and a center, that wants to be a center.”
Agree 100%. If we could re-do the draft right now I would still take PJIII or Festus Ezeli.
“Shoot the J! Shoot it!” -Dave Chappell-
Never gets old, Slimjr.
Ken Strickland
October 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
RA’MON-Harris has been a starter almost 3 times as many seasons as Teague has been in the NBA. With last yr being Teague’s 1st yr as a starter, he out produced Harris across the board.
HARRIS/TEAGUE-PPG 11.3/12.6, FG% 44.1/47.6, APG 5/4.9, RPG 2/2.4, BPG 0.2/0.6, SPG 1.0/1.6.
If you make your assessment based of facts or reality, you’d have to say that it’s Teague who’s the better OFF player. And if you can look at the numbers and consider Teague’s DEF average, then what does that say about Harris’ DEF? Regardless of how you personally choose to view Teague’s OFF and DEF, the facts show that last yr he proved to be the better player of the 2.
Teague also has far more upside, and at this point he doesn’t appear to be as prone to injuries as Harris. I really like both players, but Teague appears to be the better long term investment when it comes to resigning.
O'Brien
October 19th, 2012
10:15 pm
Ra’mon,
I agree that Teague has not been as consistent as I would like. But he has been a starter for only one season, and did not get much PT the previous 2 years. Therefore, I am not ready to make judgments on what kind of player he will be.
Also, don’t underestimate the effect of coaching. Doc Rivers worked wonders for Rondo. I wonder how Rondo would have looked playing for Woody and LD.
Astro Joe
October 19th, 2012
10:25 pm
OB, considering that Rondo’s rookie season the Celtics were a bottom 3 lottery team, he probably would have looked a lot like Josh Smith had he been coached by Woody or LD.
Melvin
October 19th, 2012
10:59 pm
PJ3 is averaging 13 pts while shooting 64% from the field thru his 1st three preseason games….
doc
October 19th, 2012
11:09 pm
a little peice on the beloved jc1:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jamal-crawford-only-started-practicing-shooting-232948543–nba.html
dont know to laugh or cry at the guy. last line is the best. this also clarifies why he probably hasnt stuck with a team for very long. he just didnt get it.
waltbellamy
October 19th, 2012
11:43 pm
doc
October 19th, 2012
11:09 pm
a little peice on the beloved jc1:
…
I assume that means Jamal spent all of his time every previous offseason working diligently day and night on his defense.
kwooden1
October 19th, 2012
11:49 pm
As I remember the knock on PJ3 was the possible bad knee and a low motor/attitude. From the rest of what I read, he wasn’t going to be ready to play so I preferred Jeff Taylor. Doesn’t look like Jeff’s going to get any real team for the Bobcats, so I was probably a little off in my assessment. Either way though, we needed a SF and we picked a non-athletic SG. Jenkins is clearly a great shooter, but he’s still learning how to get his shot off at this level and he’s also got to find away to make-up for his lack of quickness and leaping ability. I just don’t see him helping out this year, but hopefully I’m wrong.
doc
October 19th, 2012
11:49 pm
bells, huge leap of faith there bro.
waltbellamy
October 20th, 2012
12:03 am
doc,
Call me an optimist or a fool. Guilty on both counts.
That post was for the folks who are still rooting for the return of the no conscience gunner. Anyone? Anyone? … ts?
Sorry for stirring that pot.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 20th, 2012
1:38 am
“Still a middle of the pact team.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcoB6i5bFzk
Ra'mon
October 20th, 2012
1:49 am
KenS and O’B, I’m actually thinking having Teague as the 6th man would HELP him more than starting him. If that was the case, he’d have free reigns to come in and do whatever he desires to do and not have to worry about facilitate for anyone else or deferring. I think Teague WANTS to be more of a Jason Terry type player. I look at Harris as the type of player who doesn’t tell the entire story in stats. The way I see it, Harris lead a Jazz team with only one other high level player and a streaky rookie into the playoffs in the WEST. Teague is not being demoted. If anything he’s being liberated.
Ra'mon
October 20th, 2012
1:54 am
Truthfully, either combination you use of Teague, Harris, and Williams, it won’t be a great drop off from any other combination long term.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
October 20th, 2012
2:56 am
Hawks didn’t draft Chris Paul because of injury issues.
ag
October 20th, 2012
6:14 am
Planning on going to the game tonight also. I would like to see Jenkins get some extended playing time and maybe a start. I wish he would start with Teague to see – but JT0 may not play because of the ankle sprain.
It does feel good going into a season with a lot of talent – and you are not sure what way the coaches are going to select starters. Looking at Joe for the preseason, he is not looking so good. Marvin is still looking like Marvin.
paian
October 20th, 2012
7:49 am
jenkins is athletic for christsake look at the guys predraft workout stuff
phil
October 20th, 2012
8:04 am
Why even play the season?
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
10:14 am
Idiot Alert at 7:49.
Some people just simply do not understand the sport of Basketball at this level!!!
Rusty
October 20th, 2012
10:19 am
Steven smith is as dumb as LD ,also Ramon is close.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
10:32 am
I guess if you have a great “Pre-Draft” workout, then that means you are a great Athlete???
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
11:05 am
Best Hawk Line-up would be any with Al Horford starting at the Power Forward, PERIOD!!!
PG-Devin Harris
SG-JohnJenkins
SF-Josh Smith
PF-Al Horford
C–Johan Petro
Having put Petro in the starting group is a stretch, however, he is young and OVERPAID, much like Al Horford. Petro must produce. He is far better than Dampier or Collins and more athletic than Zsa Zsa.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
11:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6khC89tous8 Johan Petro 12pts. 4ast 5rbs.
lewis
October 20th, 2012
11:14 am
Johan Petro is not better than anyone
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
11:16 am
Johan Petro has a “soft game” HOWEVER” not as soft as “Soft Al Horford”
Ken Strickland
October 20th, 2012
11:24 am
Steven A. Smith said, “SOME PEOPLE JUST SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SPORT OF BASKETBALL AT THIS LEVEL.” Amen, Co-sign, and I totally agree. I certainly hope you were looking into a mirror as you were typing that statement, because it doesn’t appear you understand basketball at any level.
Rusty
October 20th, 2012
11:32 am
Right ON,Ken
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
11:37 am
Ken Strickland
October 20th, 2012
11:24 am
How do you like my starting line-up Ken?
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
11:45 am
If Larrry Drew starts Al at the CENTER spot, he is an absolute Idiot. Al is not an NBA center, Period!
I do belive this Drews’ last season as the Atlanta Hawks Basketball Coach.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
11:56 am
PG-Devin Harris
SG-JohnJenkins
SF-Josh Smith
PF-Al Horford
C–Johan Petro
2nd Unit-PG-Teague SG-Lou Williams SF-Korver PF- Tolliver Center-Ivan Johnson
Morrow, D. James, Zsa Zsa, (InActive Stevenson, Mike Scott,)
Ken Strickland
October 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
Here’s an example of STEVEN A SMITH’S total lack of basketball knowledge or understanding. First, he suggests we start JPetro, who’s career numbers going into his 9th yr with his 5th team and starting 131 gms out of 442 played are:
MPG 15.6, FG% 46.3, FT% 66.9, RPG 3.9, BPG 0.5, APG 0.5, SPG 0.4, PPG 4.7.
Now this fool is saying that in order for this team to improve, especially at the center position, we need to replace a 2 time All star and All NBA center with a center that’s proven to be a DEF and OFF liability over his 8yr career. This clown has been on these blogs making these stupid comments and suggestions long enough for everyone to realize it would be far more likely to grow a bale of cotton in a flower pot than to expect him to make an intelligent basketball related comment or suggestion.
Now back to basketball. Starting DHarris allows us to take full advantage of he and Williams’ skills and versatility. How many teams have PGs that can match the speed, quickness, athleticism, and penetrating ability of Teague, Harris and Williams, let along SGs? We now have 3 guards that can shoot, penetrate, and create scoring opportunities for others, and 2 will be on the floor together.
I’m sticking by my prediction that our starting lineup will be Teague PG, Harris SG, Josh PF, Horford C, and James SF. A bench of Williams PG/SG, Morrow, SG/SF, Korver SF, Zaza C, and Ivan PF/C, is a very potent bench, especially offensively. Jenkins, Scott and Petro, and maybe Tolliver if we carry 14, will round out the roster. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
steven a smith, – please watch a game. Petro is pure horrible. You want to start a guy that you pulled a 12 pt 4 rebound game. I was laughing my a$$ off during halftime warmups. He came out before the entire team – about 4 minutes, and he missed everything – layups included. FUNNY!!!
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
Is Johan Petro a better or worse player than either Dampier or Collins??? What say you ag?
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:25 pm
Ken Strickland
October 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
I’m sticking by my prediction that our starting lineup will be Teague PG, Harris SG, Josh PF, Horford C, and James SF. A bench of Williams PG/SG, Morrow, SG/SF, Korver SF, Zaza C, and Ivan PF/C, is a very potent bench, especially offensively. Jenkins, Scott and Petro, and maybe Tolliver if we carry 14, will round out the roster. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Who will be the “PG” on the 2nd unit? Lou Williams?
Anyone with 1/2 a “Basketball Brain” knows that Lou Williams is not a PG.
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:26 pm
This is so funny – the man who wants Big Al gone wants to start Petro at center. I will not even waste my time comparing stats, but looking at Petro over the last four seasons:
His career average of 4.7 ppg 3.9 rbs and .5 blks is worse than ZaZa.
Last season he only blocked more than 1 shot in three games. His high game is 3 blocks.
He did not record a double double last season. He had only two in the four seasons I looked at.
Over the last 4 sessons, his career scoring high is 16!
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:28 pm
I posted my opinion earlier. Tolliver looked good starting the second half against the Hornets. I bet James would look even better.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:30 pm
CAN’T WAIT-To break down our Center’s performance for 82 Basketball Games and to SHUT UP the “Clown Scrub Al Horford” Mediocre 5, Fan Club, Once and for all. Can’t Wait Baby. I did’nt even choose Horford’s “Scrub Butt” for my Fantasy Team Bench!!!
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:32 pm
You forgot about Stevenson…. I was not impressed with him against the Hornets. On defense I did see some guys blow right past him and his jumper was pretty bad.
Ken Strickland
October 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
STEVEN A$$ SMITY said, “AL IS NOT AN NBA CENTER, PERIOD! Again I say AMEN, CO-SIGN, and I totally agree. He’s not an NBA center, he’s a 2 TIME ALL STAR CENTER, ALL NBA CENTER, PERIOD!!!! You can lead a MORON to water, but you can’t make him think.
Then you ask, ‘HOW DO YOU LIKE MY STARTING LINE-UP KEN? I just love it STEVEN A$$. Of course you realize I’m considering the source as I’m answering your question. You must know that I’m just having fun with you because no one takes anything you say seriously, other than the various names you create to support your BS.
paian
October 20th, 2012
12:42 pm
Steven you can Call me idiot if you like. Most just call me troll
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:46 pm
Ken, I posted earlier that ESPN the Mag has us #2 in the East… your opinion?? others???
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Coach Mike Fratello, Dennis Scott, and Brevin Knight, all of NBA-TV must be “Morons” Because they all stated that they would not start “ALLSTAR AL HORFORD” at center EITHER!!! How does that TASTE BOYS????
RaJaH
October 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Are all slots in the fantasy league taken? Just tried to join with no luck.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
D Mann
October 20th, 2012
12:49 pm
Excellent Post and Excellent Basketball Insight!!!
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
Yeah, actually only Knight said that. That also said if the Hawks make the playoffs, LD should get coach of the year. Fratello said it was his natural postion, but he would not start Josh at the 3. He really didn’t expound but, if he would not start Josh at 3 – then using logic, Josh at 4, Horford at 5.
To continue my point, by starting Petro are you saying he is better than ZaZa?
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
Again, name 5 centers in the East BETTER THAN AL… or West. Why do we keep having this debate? This in not the 70’s, 80’s etc… David Robinson, Patick Ewing, etc are not walking through the door. If P. Ewing would have played in this era – he would be the best center in the league. When he played, he maybe was 5th best!
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:59 pm
ag
October 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
To continue my point, by starting Petro are you saying he is better than ZaZa?
He is a better “Defensive” player than Zsa Zsa. Pachulia is an accident waiting to happen, much like K. S.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:04 pm
D Mann
October 20th, 2012
12:52 pm
“ALLSTAR AL HORFORD” ? Really?
All Star averages?
5 pts 2 rbs LOL
Playoff averages?
11pts 7rbs LMAO
Career averages?
12pts 9rbs Roflmao
College averages?
11pt 7rbs Smfh
Where did you get this information? This is great Stuff. This further “SOLIDIFIES”(Look it up AL Fan Club) my point that “Average Al” is OVERHYPED, OVERPAID, and OVER HIS HEAD as an NBA BIG!!!!
lewis
October 20th, 2012
1:05 pm
is the hawks game in atlanta? can i just show up at phillips and get in?
Rusty
October 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
Al Horford is 3x the player that Zazza is. Steven Smith was Al going ot with your wife?
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:17 pm
Trade Al Horford at “mid-season” for a Back-up Big” and Draft Picks. Offer Al to the Heat for Bosh and watch them ltao!!!! Offer Al to Utah and watch them ltao!!! offer Al to Lakers for Gasol and watch them ltao!!! GET THE PICTURE GIRLS!!!
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:25 pm
Most effective Hawks Line-up(Scoring)
PG- Devin Harris
SG-Lou Williams
SF-Kyle Korver
PF-Josh Smith
C-Zsa Zsa Pahulia
jhan
October 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
We now have 3 guards that can shoot, penetrate, and create scoring opportunities for others, and 2 will be on the floor together.
Ken- These 3 guys also have the ability to be totally abused on the defensive end. Don’t forget about that part of the game.
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
Rusty
October 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
No. i don’t think so.(lmao). Have you seen Al,s new wife??? She is waaay out of his league!!! But then again she knows how much “Allstar Al” is worth($12mill. per)
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
jhan
October 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
We now have 3 guards that can shoot, penetrate, and create scoring opportunities for others, and 2 will be on the floor together.
Ken- These 3 guys also have the ability to be totally abused on the defensive end. Don’t forget about that part of the game.
Please, Do Not Waste your time trying to convince “LORD OF THE IDIOTS” of anything….
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
RE-POST
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Coach Mike Fratello, Dennis Scott, and Brevin Knight, all of NBA-TV must be “Morons” Because they all stated that they would not start “ALLSTAR AL HORFORD” at center EITHER!!! How does that TASTE BOYS????
3-former NBAers agree. No need to further “Quantify”(look it up Ken S.) my point that Average Al is just plain, “Average”. Al Horford is our “New Marvin”
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
1:40 pm
Congratulations on a successful trade.
Due to Atlanta and Utah being over the cap, the 50% trade rule is invoked. Atlanta and Utah had to be no more than 150% plus $100,000 of the salary given out, or no more than $5,000,000 (whichever is lesser), for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6149058#ixzz29rVr3zEo
Al Horford to Utah for Al Jefferson. We get an “UPGRADE” in Als.
ag
October 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
Outside of the K.S. – damn, WE FINALLY AGREE!!!
ag
October 20th, 2012
2:07 pm
LEWIS, go to stub hub. I got my tickets for $11!!!. I am in section 109… great seats. Against the Hornets, same section, row B… $14. I love stub hub!!!
ctrim
October 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
All Star averages? Really? If you make the All Star Game your third and forth year you’re not lucky, you’re pretty darn good.
Playoff averages? He played his role. We were in lottery prior. Josh, Al and Joe were the reason why we were there in the first place.
Career averages? Rebounding/defense consistent and his scoring improved every year. Blocks are not the only factor in determining defense. Al and josh are both good defenders with different styles and effectiveness.
College averages? Won two national championships and don’t think Florida did that in spite of Al.
Perfect, no – but at this point in Al’s career I don’t see anything to apologize for.
ag
October 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
Also SAS, what we agree on was ZaZa is a disaster waiting to happen. Nothing else.
ag
October 20th, 2012
2:11 pm
I am still waiting for those 5 centers in East and West…
ctrim
October 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
Zaza is good in his role as a back up center that can come in with energy and spark. He can play well in spurts but as a starter he will wear down and lose his effectiveness. Really missed him against the Celtics in the playoffs. Good team player and someone who wants to be here.
paian
October 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
@troll
if u gonna pretend to be me, learn the way i type firsst
ag
October 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
I agree, ZaZa is a backup center. Hustle, toughness, please don’t pass him the ball! If he scores, he needs to get a offensive rebound!
ctrim
October 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
I’m pretty sure most, if not all agree Al is playing out of position. That does not translate to Al not being effective in that role or trading him for a player with inflated stats on a bad team.
ag
October 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
This is 2012. You no longer need a 7′0 patrolling the lane. It is nice to have, but most 7′0″ are like Petro!
Quick, athletic centers who can score from the outside or take the opposition of the dribble and rebound. That is why Bosh and Garnett are centers – although both are 6′11 – only 1″ taller than Al.
ctrim
October 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
Main concern for Al and Josh this year is that they can stay healthy – Ivan and Zaza too. If one of those goes down we really don’t have anyone that can step in. Not ready to “Vote for Petro”.
ctrim
October 20th, 2012
3:25 pm
When did $12 million for a player like Al become a bad contract? Your stats provided do not prove your point when you consider the plethora of players making more $ and doing a lot less than Al. Never heard anyone else outside this blog even hint that we overpaid to resign Al – you have right to your opinion but I couldn’t disagree with you any more. Seems like you are just making shock statements to get a reaction. Would scroll but you keep changing your name!
darrell starks
October 20th, 2012
3:49 pm
Chris Vilamore, This team is still good only if LD play the right players and think defense first.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
October 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
So LD says he designed that play to put a rookie in a pressure situation huh? Yeah right. lol. And of coure they’re gonna make the team. FERRY PICKED THOSE GUYS. Think LD has the basketBALLS to cut em?? Helltothenaw. lol
darrell starks
October 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
I Hope Danny Ferry is not forfeiting the season, and throwing in the towel.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
October 20th, 2012
3:54 pm
It’s not like he’s gonna put Scott in a “pressure situation” when it counts.
darrell starks
October 20th, 2012
3:58 pm
2012 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTERS TEAGUE, LOU, JOSH, HORFORD, ZAZA
BENCH DEVIN, MORROW, KORVER, IVAN, ? 6′11 OR TALLER WHO CAN DEFEND THE PAINT.
RESERVE JENKINS, ?, ?
I WOULD BRING DAMPIER IN TO BACK UP ZAZA.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
October 20th, 2012
3:58 pm
Ferrys not throwing in the towel imo Starks. He knows were a borderline Playoff team. If he thought we were Championship caliber this year, he woulda fired LD already.
darrell starks
October 20th, 2012
4:00 pm
The Hawks if they think defense first i believe they could finish 4th seed in the East.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
October 20th, 2012
4:00 pm
DF’s not throwing in the towel Starks. Hell, he knows this isnt a championship caliber team this year. If he thought it was, LD would be gone already.
ctrim
October 20th, 2012
4:01 pm
Coaches control a players time on the court – GM fires the coach who doesn’t play the players GM drafts. I’d create some plays for the rooks too. Both have some talent and will be fun to watch….next year
darrell starks
October 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
terrell, i failed to believe that, Hawks have players who can get the job done, playing good solid defense and with the quickness of this team, Hawks may have the quickess team in the NBA.
Most of the Hawks points are going come from playing good defense, boxing out and rebounding pushing the ball up court scoring on transition basket.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
steven a smith
October 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
ag
October 20th, 2012
2:11 pm
I am still waiting for those 5 centers in East and West
Bynum, Tyson Chanler, Andrew Bogut, Samuel Dalembert, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Dwight Howard, Al Jefferson, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Kaman, Brook Lopez, Nene, Nikola Pekovic, Jermaine O’Neal, etc……I am running out of space GIRLS!!!!
Ken Strickland
October 20th, 2012
4:34 pm
AG-I agree with that ranking. Except for the Heat, all of the other Eastern Conference teams are strickly halfcourt oriented. None of them can match our speed, quickness and athleticism. The Bulls aren’t very good offensively with DRose, and we all saw how much they declined without him. The Pacers are big and talented, but very slow and deliberate. And their very big center has yet to demonstrate that he can consistently guard or score big against Horford.
Philly has acquired the NBAs 2nd best center, but gave up their 3 leading scorers(LWilliams, IGGY, and Brand), as well as their best DEF player(IGGY) and 2 of their best rebounders(IGGY, Brand) and assist makers(IGGY/Williams). This was a team that had scoring issues before losing their 3 top scorers. Boston is old and definitely can’t run. Their backcourt of Rhondo, Bradley and Terry will catch hell trying to contain Teague, Harris, and Williams, as well as Morrow and Korver.
And their frontcourt of Pierce, KG, and Bass will also catch hell trying to keep up with Horford, Josh, James, and Ivan on the boards and filling the lanes on fast breaks. They have yet to get a backup center that can handle Zaza. Even their starting center has trouble with him.
DJames’ addition gives us a solid starting frontline that can consistently rebound and defend. Teague and Harris gives us a solid starting backcourt that can shoot, penetrate, defend, create shots for others, and help us to consistently run and score in transition.
Miami has used this fomula very successfully for the last 2yrs. We don’t have dynamic players like LeBron or DWade, but they don’t have backcourt shooters with the speed and quickness that we have. To be able to defeat us with any consistency, Miami will need a healthy Wade, Lebron and Bosh doing their thing.
Without Wade or James, they can’t match our speed, quickness and athleticism. I love the potential, speed, quickness, athleticism, versatility, shooting and penetrating ability of this team.
Alex
October 20th, 2012
4:39 pm
lmao at whoever cares about All-Star Game averages. Also, whoever listed me as a troll/alias earlier is wrong.
phil
October 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
Some of you seem to be beyond delusional…..
Of course, you are fans of a Georgia sports team.
Number 2 team in the east? LOLOLOL!!
We’ll be fortunate to finish .500 this year with Idiot Josh back for more of his screw ups and the other non-players on this roster.
Not gonna be pretty, homers!