Atlanta Hawks: Harris could make debut Tuesday
Vivlamore reporting.
Sorry folks. Took Sunday off since I didn’t travel to Memphis for the 110-102 exhibition loss to the Grizzlies. With no practice today, team went straight to Indiana for tomorrow night’s game against the Pacers, I spent most of my day getting a new company-issued laptop. (Let’s see if this one writes better stories!)
Devin Harris is traveling with the team. Although he did not play in the loss to the Grizzlies, I’m told there is a good chance he could play Tuesday as he has been battling knee issues. I will have a bigger story on Harris tomorrow.
In other notes from the game:
* Damion James was in the starting lineup for the second straight game. It’s obvious that Larry Drew and his staff are taking a long look at him for one of the available spots.
* Zaza Pachulia made his debut after suffering with a groin injury. He started and had nine points and nine rebounds in 22 minutes.
* Other starters were Ivan Johnson, Kyle Korver and Jeff Teague.
* The following players did not play: James Anderson, Carldell Johnson, Johan Petro, DeShawn Stevenson (knee) and Harris.
* The Hawks shot 43.8 percent from the field, their best shooting performance in a 1-2 preseason.
* The Grizzlies shot 47.7 percent from the field. The Hawks look to hold the opposition to around 41 percent, however all three opponents – The Heat (45.1), the Spurs (51.9) and the Grizzlies have surpassed that number. The past two opponents have scored more than 100 points. Defense has been a concern before and, now, during training camp. That is something to watch.
Thanks for understanding. I will report back tomorrow.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
5:17 pm
Nice!
doc
October 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
well did the backboard get crashed or not?
HoosierHawk
October 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
Danny Ferry was reportedly at my IU Hoosiers practice today. Cody Zeller is projected to go #1 or at least top 5, and the only other guys on the team who might go pro next year are probably late 1st early 2nd rounders. Seems a little odd given where I would guess the Hawks would draft next year, but interesting.
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
“he Hawks look to hold the opposition to around 41 percent, however all three opponents – The Heat (45.1), the Spurs (51.9) and the Grizzlies have surpassed that number. The past two opponents have scored more than 100 points. Defense has been a concern before and, now, during training camp. That is something to watch.” C-Viv
SoulR: Defense is where this coaching staff is going to earn their keep..
Larry has got to get his leaders [Mid-range Shawty] and especially [AllStar Al] to buy into the defensive schemes to stymie opposing offenses!
41% Shooting for the opposition is a pretty high bar set by the staff! The players are not even in the ball park..
Offense is not going to be a problem Grasshopper.. Hello???? Is anyone home?
Defense is their Mt. Everest!!!
Welcome Mr Harris!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
Mr Harris do not rush back with knee trouble in the preseason! We need you healthy for the regular season and playoffs if need be…
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
Mr Harris once you heal up maybe you can show your mates how to finish around the rim?
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
5:51 pm
Hey Larry start ZaZa against Mt. Everest tomorrow night..Mountain man against Mountain man….
prison mike
October 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
Devin has forgotten more pg skills than JT and Lou put together. He will start by January with Stevenson.
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
6:28 pm
7pm Boston and Philly on NBA TV!
In football news. Coach Andy Reid is a perfect 12-0 coming off a bye week…Whew…
jhan
October 15th, 2012
6:38 pm
Should we be excited about a Harris/Stevenson starting backcourt? Doesn’t do much for me except help secure that lottery pick.
Ken Strickland
October 15th, 2012
6:43 pm
PRISON MIKE-It won’t matter if Devin has forgotten more PG skills than JT and Lou put together. Until his now fragile body allows him to get on the floor and play consistently, it won’t matter. No matter how much you and others might want it, we can’t count of an injury prone PG who’s regressed from an All Star to a level of performance that’s less than what we got from Teague in his 1st yr as a starter. He’ll also be an UFA after the season.
Ken Strickland
October 15th, 2012
6:53 pm
What did DStevenson do last yr as a starter, and what has he done so far in the training room that has some of you drooling over the idea of him as our starting SG? You’re starting to get into the category of delusional ideas that’s in SLIMJR and STEVEN A SMITH territory.
Grandad
October 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
Slimjr
I read an article where Philly may change QB`s this wk,
since it`s a bye wk and their present QB is responsible
for 17 turnovers this season. (ints & fumbles)
It seems that, if they release him before the [Super Bowl / date of]
they are off the hook for $15 mil cap space.
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
7:00 pm
Prison Mike you have to use the scroll key around scrooge..
45 year apologetic fanatic..Enough said..
Grandad
October 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
San Antonio has never been afraid to start / play a rookie
if he can get the job done.
* Enter Danny Ferry.
Don`t go to sleep on JJenkins just yet.
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
Yea Grandad its been a tough year for MV7 and the Eagles. The Falcons are running into a very angry and desperate team.. Somebody is going to get hurt! Its going to be very ugly!!!
In Cowboy news Romo throws 5 picks in one game and he gets a pass? What gives? Hmmmmm
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
7:08 pm
For you Stat guys JJ2 was a -12…..
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
7:10 pm
Grandad, they better max protect for Ryan or he will get his bell rung..
The Eagles are bringing the house to get him out of the game..
WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????
October 15th, 2012
7:24 pm
TOO BAD THIS NOTHING WORTHLESS FRANCHISE IS NOT GETTING A FRESH START IN SEATTLE OR ANYWHERE ELSE, MAYBE BILLINGS, MONTANA !!!!
THE TEAM IS WORTHLESS, OWNERS LIE, LIE, LIE AND THEY STINK.
WOULD THE nba MOVE THIS TEAM OUT OF HERE PLEASE !!!!!!!
IT NEEDS TO GO NOW !
Grandad
October 15th, 2012
7:32 pm
Thoughts on LD
Five man [positionless] basketball is not just a trend.
It is ‘ Here ‘ Now !
The pendulum will no doubt swing back eventually,
but, until that time, our Hawks are positioned (no pun)
to exploit this happening.
LD – by [supposedly] advocating the “Princeton” concept
of offensive basketball could capitalize on this opportunity.
Princeton / Motion offenses work specifically for teams
with players of non-discript skills and sizes.
* ( there`s one for you – D. 0` U. I.)
However; LD will miss the boat.
In today`s earlier blog some folks stated:
If LD make it to the 2nd round ….. or if LD wins ….. games;
will Danny Ferry retain his services ?
To which I`ve predicted all along 30 games.
It matters not how many games or how far we get in the play-offs.
Mr Ferry is more interested in whether LD is:
1st a teacher and 2nd a motivator; rather than a tactician.
Back to the “Princeton” offense of which he purportedly
is an advocate.
Just because someone ` runs ‘ a certain offense,
does not mean they teach it.
Also; just because a coach wishes for his team to be
` defense ‘ oriented does not mean that he “really believes”
in what he is tryin` to sell.
____________________________________________
Positionless basketball is here for awhile.
Probably for as long as LBJ is the best player in the league.
____________________________________________
LD / 30 games
Buddy Grizzard
October 15th, 2012
8:10 pm
“41% Shooting for the opposition is a pretty high bar set by the staff! The players are not even in the ball park..”
Big Slim, keep in mind that we’ve seen extended minutes for a number of guys who will be glued to the bench during the regular season, and that includes non-existent defenders like Mike Scott and JJ2. Can you say D-League?
On top of that you have scenes like the third quarter when LD started Korver at small forward against Rudy Gay. Couldn’t believe I didn’t get an “oh the humanity!” on that one. Memphis outscored the Hawks 33-20 in the third. Guess who didn’t see the court in the third? Damion James.
So yeah, a lot of experimental lineups and taking a look at guys who just aren’t going to crack the Hawks’ 10-man rotation in the regular season. When you go 10-11 deep like the Hawks, why play rookies who can’t play D?
Buddy Grizzard
October 15th, 2012
8:11 pm
On an unrelated note, Brook Lopez looks good so far. It’s just the wizards but if he stays as healthy and active as he looks right now, the Nets might be the real deal. Remember, when this guy was healthy he was almost scoring 20ppg.
doc
October 15th, 2012
8:12 pm
not sure where all this stevenson is the man stuff is coming from. he hasnt avg much more than 15 mpg for the last three years and he is getting a bit long in the tooth to be expected to play more minutes than that on a regular basis. if he is our starter at 2 or 3 we are in deep and over our heads.
to me he resembles mo evans with a bad azz kick to him in size and expectations. he is not the guy to spread the floor but is a guy who can shut down someone on a roll that is his size or there abouts.
here are his stats for anyone who wants to deepen their knowledge base and see him for what he is now, rather than what he last was on his way down playing for the wiz in 08:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3422/career;_ylt=Aj4g8.f5o.PQJ8aQBYvKn_x.PKB4
he is may have a bit more in the tank than tmac had but not by much is my guess.
Astro Joe
October 15th, 2012
8:13 pm
Strickland said, What did DStevenson do last yr as a starter, and what has he done so far in the training room that has some of you drooling over the idea of him as our starting SG?
Dude, there is a little more data on those guys than on Damion James who you said recently has already proven to be a better passer than Joe Johnson. After 2-3 preseason games and less than 40 NBA games (with very little personal visual evidence I am sure). So if you can have rose-colored glasses about certain players with very little practical NBA experience, then surely others can have an optimistic disposition about Devin and Stevenson. (Not that I share those feelings, Devin has been average for several seasons and Stevenson is this team’s version of Joe Smith, Stackhouse & TMac).
WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????
October 15th, 2012
8:14 pm
THIS TEAM SUKS! WE ALREADY KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET PAST THE SECOND ROUND. WEVE KNOWN THAT FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS AND YET HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
WE NEED A WHOLE NEW TEAM. THIS TEAM SUKS!
doc
October 15th, 2012
8:14 pm
buddy, the only person that can get in the way of the nets is the coach.
doc
October 15th, 2012
8:15 pm
aj yeah, i just posted the data on stevenson and it aint pretty.
Astro Joe
October 15th, 2012
8:21 pm
doc, Buddy was talking about the Hawks as a potential ECF team a few days ago, so I think he is reminding himself about how stacked that team is… their 2nd team backcourt of CJ Watson and Marshon Brooks can more than hold their own against most starting backcourts across the league. Knicks, Celtics and Nets will have a great battle during the season in the Big East (and possibly the 76ers if Bynum’s knee doesn’t remain a problem).
Astro Joe
October 15th, 2012
8:26 pm
And while Lopez may average 4-5 boards, Reggie Evans, Humphries and Wallace will do plenty of work on the glass to help the team win the battle of the boards.
doc
October 15th, 2012
8:39 pm
yup aj said it earlier today on the last blog, just that. philly not so much.
slimj this is for you and your comment on romo:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–week-6-winners-losers–dez-bryant-s-ups-and-downs-epitomize-cowboys–rollercoaster-ride-of-a-season.html
not a fan of romo but the probs with the boys go a lot deeper than romo. dez is undisciplined and though a great talent not dependable if you watched him run the wrong route on a timing pattern that left romo high a dry to pass it to a defender. the guy requires a personal baby sitter to boot. the probs though fall at the feet of jerry though. the eagles are a much better organization in the last fifteen years.
Astro Joe
October 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
http://www.hoopsworld.com/brooklyn-nets-team-salary
And next year, when Lopez is still averaging 5 rebounds and Al is making $12M and pulling down twice as many boards?
Fact Check
October 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
Lopez makes $13.6M this year.
kwooden1
October 15th, 2012
8:48 pm
It will be nice to see Devin on the floor, but clearly he’s not ready to be a starter for any period of time, with preseason knee issues. Stevenson can give us a few minutes per game, but that is about it. I think we will be competitive because Josh and AL can attach inside and they play the screen and roll probably better than any PF/C combination in the league. We’re still going to have major problems on the boards and in wing defensive against quality teams. I really think this season is about seeing what we’ve got in Teague, James and Morrow. Lou, Josh and Al are proven starters that you can build around, but we need to find two other proven guys.
GO HAWKS
Fact Check
October 15th, 2012
9:13 pm
Reading is fundamental. Brook Lopez just signed a 4-yr $60M+ deal. Al has 4 years and $48M left on his deal.
Buddy Grizzard
October 15th, 2012
9:39 pm
“Buddy was talking about the Hawks as a potential ECF team a few days ago”
Whoa player… I’m on record predicting a 5 seed for the Hawks. Don’t think anything but injuries can get in the way of a Boston Miami rematch in the ECF this year. Boston has two shooting guards who are better than washed up Ray Allen.
Buddy Grizzard
October 15th, 2012
9:40 pm
Spot-up Joe lookin sharp in Brooklyn black!
moboman
October 15th, 2012
9:47 pm
Ferry aint standing pat. Another move or two left before it all starts.
Rev in Tampa
October 15th, 2012
10:27 pm
I agree with Grandad’s prediction of 30 wins for the Hawks this season. The Hawks have not replaced JJ’s scoring or height on defense. I am looking for an exciting brand of basketball on the court and losses on the scoreboard. But, most of all, I am looking for the departure of Larry Drew at the end of the season.
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
10:33 pm
Astro Joe, you know how it was growing up with your Father?
It was either his way or the Highway, that’s Ken S… lol!
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
10:53 pm
“Big Slim, keep in mind that we’ve seen extended minutes for a number of guys who will be glued to the bench during the regular season, and that includes non-existent defenders like Mike Scott and JJ2. Can you say D-League?
On top of that you have scenes like the third quarter when LD started Korver at small forward against Rudy Gay. Couldn’t believe I didn’t get an “oh the humanity!” on that one. Memphis outscored the Hawks 33-20 in the third. Guess who didn’t see the court in the third? Damion James”
Excellent observations Buddy G! Korver against Rudy, its just not fair Danny!
And to think Rudy Gay could have been our starting Small Forward for years to come? Ouch!
Buddy, I have a distinct feeling I will be pulling out the [Oh the Humanity] line more often than I would like too.. heh heh heh
doc: Like the GREAT PROFESSOR DAN REEVES [best Coach the Falcons ever had] said in an interview once, that all 11 offensive players have to to their job in order to make a pass play successful.. He added there’s a lot more going on than the average fan sees in their field of vision…
and yes receivers can make their QB look real bad… Ask MV7 up in Philly…
Slimjr
October 15th, 2012
11:02 pm
Also doc I will also add and I don’t have the stats in front of me, going off memory from a radio broadcast on the road: from 1990 to the present the Cowboys are basically a .500 ballclub..I believe I heard like 97-99 under Jerry Jones ownership. Now granted Jerry did win 3 Super Bowls but that was almost 20 year ago…
steven a smith
October 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
ditto
prison mike
October 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
Devin has forgotten more pg skills than JT and Lou put together. He will start by January with Stevenson.
steven a smith
October 15th, 2012
11:18 pm
Hope Harris beats out Teague…..Also Stevenson is our best option at the 2 guard position. He was solid on the Maverick’s championship team!!!
doc
October 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
slimj it wasnt that long ago that mv7 was talking up the virtues of his team a dynasty in the making, remember? of course the nfl in 14 months can completely go upside down.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/frustration-rises-eagles-begin-internal-blame-game-171103950–nfl.html
as their premier player and highest paid at 13 mil a lot of the burden will fall on his shoulders especially as he somehow fumbles at the one yard line. he has been in the league way too long to be playing like cam. yup, mv7 might have a terrible line but again i remind you there are no pro bowlers on the offensive interior line either now or the last five years in the atl. may have to go back to mike kenn, then my friend “noter” to find one.
yup, jerry is the most over rated and self promoted face in the nfl. the star on the field turned into a flaming out meteorite in his hands after he got jimmy to go then had some success with switzer with jimmy’s team. purcells did ok, but realized his name would be marred forever if he stayed in dallas with self proclaimed wonderman jerry. he is really not the judge of talent he thinks he is and shows it when real football guys leave him to make stupid choices.
also slimj, just looking at your data, prob more than 196 games played in 22 years, so i think your memory is probably cheating on you. i get your point though and agree the guy prob is about .500.
doc
October 15th, 2012
11:23 pm
meanwhile slimj, peyton manning is doing his best matt ryan impersonation bringing his team back from the jaws of defeat. heh heh
doc
October 15th, 2012
11:33 pm
stephen a, then he is one of the first 15 mpg player that anyone has considered an impact player.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3422/gamelog;_ylt=AlcTfL8Mv2eJzoV2UCKNZLh.PKB4?year=2010
no, stevenson is not the answer as a starter. if he is; then i too will go with gdad’s 30 wins for the year.
meanwhile shaq continues to pile it on howard.
ctrim
October 15th, 2012
11:34 pm
It’s preseason – this team will take time to gel and learn their rolls. At this point i would be surprised if Ferry makes any trades until we get well into the season unless there is an injury to either Josh or Al. This will take time and a little patience – not exactly a fitting description of this blog. I love all the new blogs – thanks C Viv
Ken Strickland
October 15th, 2012
11:51 pm
Look for either AMorrow or JJenkins to be our starting SG.
ASTRO JOE-I wasn’t aware that DJames was competing with anyone for the starting SG position, and I didn’t say he was a better passer than JJ, and you know I didn’t. I did say that based on his preseason performance so far, he appears to be as good as JJ at passing without having to dominate the ball or the OFF.
With KKorver, AMorrow, and JAnderson as his competition at SF, and the fact that he’s started more gms, plus he fits Ferry’s stated criteria for what he wants at SF, I don’t see where it’s illogical to for me to say he’s the frontrunner. It’s just a matter of common sense logic.
Actually, if James has stepped on a single court during an exhibition gm, he’s accomplished 100%more than Stevenson has since becoming a Hawk. I don’t see how anyone can even try to make a comparison of James and Stevenson, who had an awful season on an awful team last y, and who has yet to accomplish a single thing so far during training camp or exhibition season.
So far, James has been getting the job done on the court while Stevenson has done absolutely nothing outside of the rehab facility.
Ken Strickland
October 16th, 2012
12:09 am
For those who continue to have the delusional idea that DStevenson will somehow become our PG of the future, or even have any sort of impact whatsoever, here’s what you have to look forward to based on last yrs production.
MPG-18:48, PPG-2.9, RPG-2.0, APG-0.8, SPG-0.4, FG%-28.5, 3P%-28.3, FT%-56.3. WOW, we desperately need this type of DAMN NEAR NO PRODUCTION WHATSOEVER if we intend to have any kind of season. How can anyone with any sort of basketball IQ possibly think this is what we need?
Najeh Davenpoop
October 16th, 2012
12:28 am
FTPB
“Yankee stadium had empty seats for yesterday’s ALCS game. Where is the NY Fans are horrible article?”
Haha. Not to mention, the Houston Texans (arguably the best team in the league coming into yesterday) hosted a Sunday Night Football game last night where more than half the crowd was pulling for the opposing team, and the Chargers just lost at home where at least half the crowd was pulling for the other team. It’s the same damn thing in every city.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 16th, 2012
12:30 am
“The Hawks look to hold the opposition to around 41 percent, however all three opponents – The Heat (45.1), the Spurs (51.9) and the Grizzlies have surpassed that number. ”
The worst shooting team in the league last year, the Charlotte Bobcats, shot 41.4% for the season. Might want to shoot for a more realistic goal.
Grandad
October 16th, 2012
1:10 am
doc
Did Bill Fralic ever make All-Pro ?
Regardless, he was a good one !
Grandad
October 16th, 2012
1:16 am
Najeh
On a night in and night out basis;
I agree with setting one`s defensive objectives very high.
*[or low in the case of shooting %]
As a coach I wanted my players to strive for something
not easily attainable.
As a yearly goal;
perhaps one needs to be somewhat more realistic.
If not, then as the goal becomes un-attainable,
the players will stop trying.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 16th, 2012
1:16 am
Yahoo’s Ball Don’t Lie blog has an awful lot of nice things to say about the Hawks, many of which this blog probably won’t agree with (LD gets a ton of love from them).
Grandad
October 16th, 2012
1:26 am
Rev
If you have not been following;
I have not predicted 30 wins, but 30 games;
when DFerry will make a coaching change.
My logic – he will not put up with nonsense;
even if we are winning a modest amount.
I actually think this is a play-off team … even with LD.
I also think DFerry will not see discernible progress
in basic rudimentary basketball, therefore causing LD`s dismissal.
vava74
October 16th, 2012
1:33 am
Ken,
Hold your horses.
DeShawn starting at the SG has nothing to do with him being the player who logs more minutes there.
It’s just to start the game and set the tone defensively.
Also, you mention that DeShawn is yet to accomplish anything during this training camp.
Well, you seem so enthralled in your rants that you missed DeShawn’s production in the game against the Heat, as a starter:
G 18:01 FG4-7 3pt3-6 FT0-0 (±) +7 oReb0 dReb2 Reb2 As1 PF1 St2 TO0 Blk0 BA0 11 PTS
I’m not saying that we will get that from him every night, but if can come in, be physical and establish a good defensive tone whilst hitting .380 from 3 point land, I think he can log minutes as a starter.
Don’t forget that at the SG slot we already have a gunner coming in as a sub who will consume ± 30 minutes per game (Lou Williams) so the rotation at that spot – unless LD makes the same mistake he did with Jamal and plays Lou at the PG slot for extended periods – will be mostly Lou and someone else.
Just Joe
October 16th, 2012
5:59 am
I don’t have a problem with Lou getting PG minutes on this team. Truth is, we don’t have a pass-first guard on the roster. Just a bunch of scorers.
Lou has slightly better per-minute assist and turnover stats than Jamal. Numbers also suggest that he defends the PG position better than Jamal (compared last year for Lou with Jamal’s last year in Atlanta). These two players are similar, but shouldn’t be talked about as if they are the same player.
doc
October 16th, 2012
8:11 am
gdad fralic was probably better than good but a relatively short time on the landscaoe for an interior lineman to be considered great. about seven years with atlanta and his he was pretty done with achievements by his fifth year as a pro again kind of short lived for an offensive lineman who are sometimes just getting in their groove.
i was deep in the bowels of grady hospital doing residency those years so it may not be accurate but probably he had some bad teams to play on. i think the swamp fox might have been brought back by the clan for another mop up. fralic was probably the most consistent thing there those years. just the same he isnt in the same conversation as kenn and van note.
to bball, my take on the sf position is it is going to be handled much as it has during the marvin years. it is going to be one of management by committee. simple conclusion. again, it doesnt go against the grain of what has preceded during the marvin years. marvin was long a starter and not a finisher. he then became the sixth or seventh man up for portions of last year. often jj was our three going back even when slow footed bibby was around “playing point” setting up on the wing while jj and jc1 did their thing.
this is nothing new. for a long time we have been undersized and deficient defensively and survived tp be sixth best in the league and mid range on offense last year though blog perception is? of course, ld is only interested in offense and doesnt care about defense. guess perceptions are not reality. it isnt about luck either folks after two years on the job but go on in your reality even if it isnt supported by the truth in numbers. guess everyone out there is a millionaire in there minds, though saving and deposits might not match.
so, i dont think this is going to be that much different at three this year as even josh, instead of jj will man the position if it begins to get out of hand and a stronger force is needed there. maybe if things hold together this year we will have to say our front court might have been stouter during the woody then ld years than we ever thought nor given credit to. that may be a bitter pill to swallow for either of the josh vs al camps to swallow that they are both good, capable, work well together and complimentary. however, i am sure even if the two are successful thereby the hawks successful, the ocd behaviors and discussions will continue.
if that happens and we are successful this year? we will even have to say ld is a pretty good head coach. it will be, despite perception, to get over it and look at his record. funny, my perception is if this blog has to watch a successful run this year by the hawks there will be many bitter pills to swallow. sad to say that about my fellow hawks fans here on the blog. my perception.
hottrod
October 16th, 2012
8:20 am
Why didn’t AJC send anyone out to travel with the Hawks… Seems kinda bitter since the Hawks fired Arthur Triche and Michael Cunningham went over to AJC Editor.. Pretty bitter to take your anger out on an organization that refuses to coddle to you
doc
October 16th, 2012
8:23 am
greatest franchise in sports histoy without a doubt:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=lalakerspost
quick review:
lakers since ‘49:
38 of 63 conf finals
(what we all crave and strive for here on the blog i might add)
since ‘80:
17 finals
15 championships
holy sh!t batman
anyone thinking the deck isnt stacked? wwf awaits you.
amazing!
doc
October 16th, 2012
8:24 am
hottrod, do you buy your paper or read it free?
nuff said, eh?
budgets are a biatch.
O'Brien
October 16th, 2012
8:29 am
Slim, doc,
I heard that Cowboys stat too. If I’m not mistaken, they said since winning their last SB, their overall record is .500 since. And I think Jerry Jones is to blame. He is the GM and wants to be an assistant coach as well. As a result, none of the good established coaches want to work for him.
O'Brien
October 16th, 2012
8:37 am
Ken S,
Do you remember when Royal Ivey was our starting PG? He started 66 games for us in the 2005 season, and do you know how many minutes per game he averaged that season? 13.4 mpg.
My point is, Stevenson starting for us does not automatically mean he will play more than 15 – 20 mpg (which is what I think he will average, unless he proves otherwise), so don’t get hung up on whether or not he is starting.
I don’t think Jenkins will start because I don’t think he has impressed enough to be elevated as a starter over Morrow and Stevenson. Plus LD will want to start the game with his veterans, and I think if Stevenson shows be can play better defense than Morrow and Jenkins, then he will start (imo).
Astro Joe
October 16th, 2012
9:48 am
My bad, saying that Damion is as good as Joe in the passing arena after 2-3 preseason games is so much better than what I accused you of saying. HA!
Buddy, sorry, I guess I interpreted your comments about “if Josh gets this team to the ECF” as a suggestion that you consider a plausible outcome, I didn’t realize you were engaging in your own version of fantasy blogging.
Runner-
October 16th, 2012
10:02 am
“I heard that Cowboys stat too. If I’m not mistaken, they said since winning their last SB, their overall record is .500 since. And I think Jerry Jones is to blame. He is the GM and wants to be an assistant coach as well. As a result, none of the good established coaches want to work for him.”
I think its the opposite. Jerry Jones doesn’t want to hire one of the established coaches because he KNOWS they wouldnt get along together. I mean, why do you think the passive coach Jason Garrett still has his job?
doc
October 16th, 2012
10:23 am
again the sf will be by committee, who starts doesnt mean anything in the long run.
well jerry has hired some established coaches that have won for him. what he wants most for his ego is to hire a nobody and that person wins with the personnel that jerry chooses not the other way around to establish how much a “football man” he is.
jerry is this generations dan rooney sr, w mara and the senile developing al davis. these were all guys with plenty of power and money but little to show for it on the field because of their incompetence. the steelers were an atrocity when i was young, giants under acheivers, raiders crazy good then crazy bad. when jerry hires someone again with a football mind to combine with his marketing mind and gets out of the footballers way, america’s team’s star will rise again and not before. all because of jerry’s powerful ego.
doc
October 16th, 2012
10:24 am
can you tell me what our record was when royal ivey was starting? so much for that plan, eh?
Astro Joe
October 16th, 2012
10:32 am
I do think LD will start one defensive miinded wing, either James at SF or Stevenson at SG. I doubt that he will go with two less-than-stellar defenders to start a game at those key spots. Otherwise, the Hawks may be trying to overcome a double-digit lead at the end of most 1st quarters.
Supreme Grand Poobah
October 16th, 2012
11:03 am
Lopez is averaging 18.5 ppg and 9.5 rpg so far this pre-season. The Nets may really be good this year. Wallace is a good rebounder for an SF. Humphries is a good rebounder. Plus, they added Blatche. I think they’ll be ok on the boards this year. I think they might give Miami some interesting competition.
Hawkfan
October 16th, 2012
11:14 am
Thanks Chris–keep info coming..