Atlanta Hawks: Wanted – two starters

Vivlamore with today’s Hawks report.

I spent a half hour talking to coach Larry Drew this morning. I came away with lots of stuff that will be making its way into this blog and training camp previews in the coming days.

One of the questions on my list was how would the team replace Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams, two regular starters?

Drew wouldn’t tip his hand this early about their replacements just yet. Oh, he has an idea but will let training camp play out.

“It’s an open competition,” Drew told the AJC. “I would be lying if I said I didn’t have an idea but part of this whole process is looking at different combinations and a lot of our camp is going to be about that. Just to get a real feel for the 10-11 new faces that we have coming in here. I don’t want to pigeon hole and say this is who is going to be the starter. I don’t want to do that. I want to go out and starting next Tuesday, I want guys to go out and know that they have an opportunity, particularly if they show they are capable of being a starter and if their play speaks in volume, I’m certainly going to have to consider that. With all the new faces, we are going to have to go out and see what we have.”

Drew spoke highly of Johnson and Williams. He said their loss will take some of the team’s versatility away. However someone will have an opportunity to step up.

“Both of those guys did a phenomenal job for me,” Drew said. “I really appreciate everything that they did. Not just as Hawks players but they were both outstanding young men. When you make a decision to trade a Joe Johnson or a Marvin Williams, certain guys who have been a fixture of your organization, things just don’t happen overnight. Both of those guys were very key and big pieces to our puzzle. Both of those guys are guys who brought something to the table. This opens up opportunities for new guys, guys who have been here, guys who are coming in. It doesn’t happen overnight. Starting next Tuesday, we are going to have to lace it up and really go to work and try to, as a team, try to step up. Everybody has to step their game up now. You lose an all-star in Joe and Marvin played a huge role for us because he had the versatility of a starter and he was very productive coming off the bench. We are going to have to roll our sleeves up, bust our behinds and lay it on the line night in and night out.”

I will try to get an indication of what the starting lineup plans are from the limited about of practice I’m allowed to watch come Tuesday. Perhaps the biggest indicator on who will step in will come next Sunday with the first preseason game. Stay tuned.

- Chris Vivlamore

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55 comments Add your comment

Point-forward

September 27th, 2012
2:23 pm

Oh man, can’t wait! Great job with the articles sir, keep it comin’.

Ra'mon

September 27th, 2012
2:53 pm

CV, wow, loving the coverage so far. Have you seen any of the pickup games yet? Could you tell us who have arrived or who came in what kind of shape? Also, a lot of would love to know more about you, particularly who is your favorite NCAA teams (i.e. Sekou).

rainman34

September 27th, 2012
2:56 pm

Cant wait for the season. The way i see it.
Teague
Harris
Korver
Smith
Horford
Mark it down Korver will have his best season yet. With all four of the other starters more than willing passer and all with the ability to beat their man off the dribble he will have a ton of open looks.

The Real Hawk

September 27th, 2012
3:05 pm

Not much size or defense there.

Grandad

September 27th, 2012
3:05 pm

C-Viv:

Once again, the fact that you are bringing the Hawks
up to the level of the Braves / Falcons with your daily coverage
is refreshing.
Mostly, however, it shows professionalism, dedication, and joy
in your work.
I am now looking forward to my daily dose of C-Viv [vitamins].

Thanks again’
G-dad … * with one “d”

HeDan

September 27th, 2012
3:06 pm

Korver a starter? Harris a starter? And the only team in the NBA that Teague could start for is the Hawks. other than Smith and Horford this team is stockpiled with journeymen and career backups, even Smith and Horford are starting out of their natural positions, no way this team makes the playoffs, but I’m sure the owners will enjoy the fistfull of cash they now have, I wonder if they’ll reduce the cost of tickets????
PS… Don’t expect Howard or Paul to come here as FA’s next year, in fact Smith will probably bolt.

Just Asking?

September 27th, 2012
3:08 pm

This team is very guard heavy. Can they compete with that size and talent level? Just Asking?

tony

September 27th, 2012
3:13 pm

I like Lou Williams alot……it wouldn’t surprise me if he emerge as the leader of this team. From an offensive standpoint, I think Lou Williams and Devin Harris are better than JJ and MW. Time will tell.

pg-Devin Harris……………….JT
sg-Lou Williams……………….J.Jenkins
sf-JS………………………………Kyle Korver
pf-AH……………………………..Ivan Johnson
c-Zaza……………………………Johan Petro

Ra'mon

September 27th, 2012
3:13 pm

Hedan, Harris was the STARTING PG for a playoff team just last season. Williams was the leading scorer for a playoff team that made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Korver and Morrow are two of the best shooters in the league, excluding no one. Jenkins was the best shooter in the draft. Zaza is the best back up C in the league. And Teague is one of the fastest PGs in the league.

CSP

September 27th, 2012
3:16 pm

HeDan. Your nuts if you don;t think 00 could start in many other locales…

Grandad

September 27th, 2012
3:26 pm

Grandad … * with one “d” makes more sense.
-especially-
If one applies … as opposed to Granddad.

Ray

September 27th, 2012
3:32 pm

People talking about Harris c’mon man like Ra’mon just said and I agree Harris was a starter for Utah Jazz and not only that Zaza is the best back-up C right now in the league honestly the issue I got with that is I feel as though he’s good enough to start just no depth there right now.

As for Teague not being able to start on other teams Bullcrap is what I say. People wanted to trade for Teague because they see the potential in him, and feel as though he is the right guy. Apparently people can’t see that though, but oh well.

Mark this much down we’ll be better from a offense standpoint this upcoming season defensively it all depends.

Chris Vivlamore

September 27th, 2012
3:38 pm

Folks: Running out to another interview. It is possible that the training camp roster comes out while I am away. I will post as soon as I get back. The only players I saw were Al Horford and Zaza Pachulia, but I’m told most others have been in and out. The roster may feature another former Tech player.

Thanks in advance for your understanding.

For those asking – and who did not follow the Thrashers – I will try to soon post an introductory blog.

Astro Joe

September 27th, 2012
3:40 pm

Chris, don’t take this the wrong way, but bloggers who are thrilled about daily coverage of the Hawks may want to consider that the days before training camp generally provide more news to cover than the weeks ebtween free agency and right around now.

With that said, I personally appreciate having a beat writer who appears interested in the team he is covering (not a fan, but what appears to be journalistic curiosity).

Diego

September 27th, 2012
3:43 pm

Amen to Ray and Ra’mon:

My starting 5:

Teague
DeShawn Stevenson (starter for NBA champ Mavs less than 2 yrs ago)
J.Smith
Horford
Zaza

Even if Marvin had stayed, he would have remained in the 2nd team. Horford simply can’t defend guys bigger than him.

2nd 5:

Harris
Sweet Lou–our designated microwave
Morrow (with Korver and the rook battling for pt)
Bad Ivan
Petro (better backup than we had last year)

Playoff team in the weak East, easy. (Only Miami and Boston noticeably better.)

Astro Joe

September 27th, 2012
3:43 pm

Bring back MARIO WEST! The French version of West (Pape Sy) couldn’t hold Mario’s eclair.

tchapman86

September 27th, 2012
3:48 pm

With 11 new guys, I hope the guys had time to play with each other since our first preseason game is next Sunday

doc

September 27th, 2012
3:48 pm

john salley, kenny anderson or mark price making a comeback?

huge teaser there cv.

Hawks Yeah

September 27th, 2012
3:54 pm

Great job C Viv. I have only followed the Hawks blogs for about a year so I don’t know much about the past writers but I think you are off to a great start. I enjoy having some updates about my team every day. And…I am really looking forward to November…

Wink

September 27th, 2012
3:56 pm

LD said change can’t happen over night. It was also said JJ & Marvin’s contract could not be moved. Seems both were gone over night, suddenly, post haste…gone like the win.

Get it done LD…you will be held to a higher standard this year. The size of your team has not changed, losing JJ & Marvin did not make us considerably smaller.

Yes the were good young men, both did not deserve the contracts they sign their names to. One was very quiet & the other very thankful…both wanted no part of the spot light. Production wise we are much better with Lou & Devin to replace JJ scoring. We will multiple guys on the bench who will show up to replace the hand full of games Marvin decided to show up in.

LD, Ferry has moved on….no need to continue to pat them on the back…they be gone. Time for you to man up!

AGTFan

September 27th, 2012
3:58 pm

Astro Joe – Have you heard something? We keep talking about needing a great defender off the bench and Mario was that. I also think he’s great guy to have around to show the kind of effort we want out players to play and practice with. I also like the idea of Zaza starting.

steven a smith

September 27th, 2012
4:02 pm

DeShawn Stevenson really should be the starter at the “2″
Ivan Johnson should be starting at the “3″.

Astro Joe

September 27th, 2012
4:11 pm

AGTFan, speculating based on Vivlamore’s post at 3:38. Did Gani Lawal find a home? Just trying to think of former Tech players who are trying to land a job in the NBA (not a very long list). Unfortunately, I doubt that he is referring to Chris Bosh or Derrick Favors.

Buddy Grizzard

September 27th, 2012
4:33 pm

C-Viv thanks for your comment on the previous blog. We Hawks fanatics are a narrow audience but pretty demanding :)

Your best efforts are appreciated and so far so great with the coverage.

TheOriginalMrPhil

September 27th, 2012
4:45 pm

I am still heated FTPB. How is Teague not even a consideration as a leader on this team. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Buddy Grizzard

September 27th, 2012
4:50 pm

“Horford simply can’t defend guys bigger than him.”

Not true, LD just protects him like a mother hen.

“The French version of West (Pape Sy) couldn’t hold Mario’s eclair.”

Wow training camp hasn’t started and Astro Joe is already in mid-season form… lol.

Gani Lawal… I think I saw his face on a milk carton. Wasn’t he derailed by injuries after getting drafted by PHX? I predicted coming out of GT that he would find a home on an NBA roster because rebounding is an NBA skill.

Buddy Grizzard

September 27th, 2012
4:52 pm

“How is Teague not even a consideration as a leader on this team.”

The first time he gets in Josh’s face and shouts GIVE ME THE BALL I will consider that his bag has finally dropped and he is ready to man up.

Grandad

September 27th, 2012
4:56 pm

Herein lies the question:
Is LD truly committed to open competition ?

Personally, I think not.
Based on past perfomance, he has already picked out his rotation;
and he knows it … plus he most likely lied to C-Viv.

Although, D.Ferry will see through it in a hurry.
Plus, every little thing LD is doing is being evaluated.
I imagine his [LD`s] hiney is puckered up right about now
with the stress and anxiety of Mr Ferry watching his every move.

I also suspect … C-Viv will figure him out real quick if not already.

I give LD -30- games.

If Danny takes a trip to Israel … LD better start packin` ?

TheOriginalMrPhil

September 27th, 2012
5:00 pm

“The first time he gets in Josh’s face and shouts GIVE ME THE BALL I will consider that his bag has finally dropped and he is ready to man up.”

Very True. However, the fact that he exists and was there before the new guys means he has to be considered a threat to step up and take this team over. Even if that threat is less than 1%, it isn’t 0.

Sargent Carter

September 27th, 2012
5:02 pm

Unfortunately, we are burdened with a bargain basement coach…Larry Drew is no one’s idea of someone who can put the puzzle together…While Ferry is a good GM, he has to know the Hawks will go nowhere with Drew calling the shots. The Hawks have to get a REAL STARTING CENTER or they have no chance of getting to the NBA Finals, or even the eastern conference finals…A blind man can see that this is another 1 or 2 rounds and out playoff scenario, if it is a playoff scenario at all. I suppose we’ll have to resort to watching Miami, the Lakers and Oklahoma City if we want to see serious teams seeking championships…in the meantime, we watch Larry Drew coach an organization that just doesn’t quite want it…sure, they want to be involved with an NBA team…just don’t quite have the OUEVOS to have an NBA TEAM…

Just Joe

September 27th, 2012
5:03 pm

Lawal was in camp with the Spurs last year.

TheOriginalMrPhil

September 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

“The Hawks have to get a REAL STARTING CENTER or they have no chance of getting to the NBA Finals, or even the eastern conference finals”…….. “we’ll have to resort to watching Miami, the Lakers and Oklahoma City if we want to see serious teams seeking championships”.

Only one of those teams had a real center when they got the finals. And no Perkins doesn’t count. Al could become Perkins with a work out routine and a few sandwiches. No matter how much he works out he’ll never be 7 foot tall.

grimey

September 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

PG Teague
SG Harris
SF Smith
PF Horford
C Pachulia

TheOriginalMrPhil

September 27th, 2012
5:10 pm

grimey

I agree with your lineup for the simple fact that we need someone taking all that banging for Horford. Not that I don’t like Z. But I always have felt we would be better off if Horford hitting that smooth little jumper instead of those useless turnaround moves. Look at Tim Duncan. He could play center, but the Spurs choose to bring in some random schmuck to take on that dirty work. Same deal sort of with Kevin Garnett. He only recently started playing the 5.

Sargent Carter

September 27th, 2012
5:11 pm

The Lakers recently acquired a REAL STARTING CENTER…Drew’s gotta go…The Hawks need a center…I gave LA,OKie and Miami as examples of REAL NBA ORGANIZATIONS, so don’t get your drawers in a wad…

rms

September 27th, 2012
5:13 pm

Marvin Williams has no business wearing an NBA jersey!

Columbus

September 27th, 2012
5:15 pm

Yep, Drew already got the starters figured out so the rest of you are screwed when it comes to getting a chance in games to show what you can do….Does Jeff Teague ring a bell?

Drew BETTER have learned….its just practice, as Iverson once famously said. He BETTER give them chances in a few games, a chance to start say 3 games early in the season and see how they respond, how the team flows, etc. Who plays best with the team after everybody gets their chances, gets the job and if it isnt clear, then keep experimenting BUT not by letting guys come in for mop up duty in blow outs, but in meaningful games. Thats the biggest test, throw them in the fire when its hottest! Who plays best in the fire after several oppurtunities, gets those 2 starting spots. Otherwise we might have a couple Jeff Teagues wasting away again and unless an injury comes up, they never get the oppurtunity they need and deserve. Come on they are on an NBA roster. Give them a fair shake…..i.e. Jeremy Lin. You coaches arent the best judges of talent all the time so learn from your OWN mistakes Drew and the mistakes of several others and let them ALL get a shot to play the position on the battlefield when it counts most…..that would be the wisest decision you could make when it comes to settling who starts, who gets most minutes off the bench. This “I got it all figured out already but I am not going to say I do because I want to let the others “think” they got a chance when they dont” should NEVER happen again.

Only a FOOLISH coach would do that….and you already done it once for sure Drew….Please dont do it again….its not fair to the players, the team, the organization, the fans or the game….give em ALL a shot to start a few games early then let the best man win….

Give them ALL a fair shot and from what I hear, they will get a tiny shot and there isnt nothing fair about it…All I got to say Mr got it all figured out is …..Jeff Teague. Jeremy Lin.

Ken Strickland

September 27th, 2012
5:22 pm

With JAnderson and DJames coming off injuries that’s curtailed their promising careers up to this point, there’s no way LDrew knows what to expect from either player. I seriously doubt if he’d project either player as his potential starting SF at this point. It’s all but a certainty that KKorver won’t start at SF since Ferry said he wanted a DEF minded player at the position. And as we all know by now, that’s certainly not Korver’s strong suit.

With Drew admitting that he already has an idea of who he likes at SF at this point, and I might be reading way too much into this, but I believe it’s an indication that he’s considering starting JSmith. Let’s face it, Josh is the only proven commodity we have right now at SF. Now, if James and/or Anderson have outstanding camps, his preference might very well change.

Also, signing Toliver, especially if he makes the roster, just might signal a switch to SF for Josh. That would leave Ivan and Toliver to backup Horford at PF. Just food for thought.

Walter Payton

September 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

The only position thats sure is Power Fower – Josh Smoove Smith.

Every body else will have to fight and earn a spot.

Zaza will have to fight off Benson, Petro, and a healthy Al horford.

Harris will have to Hold off Teague but the real fight will be who will start at the 2 guard and the 3 spot, Here are the contestants.

11 James Anderson G 6-6 215 Oklahoma St./USA

8 Damion James F 6-7 225 Texas/USA

12 John Jenkins G 6-4 215 Vanderbilt/USA

44 Ivan Johnson F 6-8 230 Cal. St. San Bernadino/USA

26 Kyle Korver G 6-7 212 Creighton/USA

22 Anthony Morrow G 6-5 210 Georgia Tech/USA

32 Mike Scott F 6-8 237 Virginia/USA

92 DeShawn Stevenson G 6-5 218 Washington Union HS (CA)/USA

Chris Vivlamore

September 27th, 2012
8:00 pm

Blog peeps: Thanks for your comments. I have to shut it down for the day – been a long one. I do have some insight into the lineup that I will post, hopefully tomorrow. From my talk with LD, I would say look for Horford to stay mainly at the 5 (with Pachulia as the backup) and Smith at the 4. However, LD said there may be times when he changes and moves Pachulia to the 5, Horford to the 4 and Smith to the 3. He wants that flexibility. Also, wouldn’t give up much on guard rotation. We’ll see there. I hope that little bit of info holds you for now.

Troll Police

September 27th, 2012
8:03 pm

lastest All troll team of bloggers who us another name to act as if their Idiotic Idea has support.

All troll team
Columbus
grimey
(grimey and columbus is the samne troll talking to his self.) :)

TheOriginalMrPhil
tchapman86
CSP
HeDan
Point-forward

Troll Police

September 27th, 2012
8:05 pm

*who use another name to act as if their Idiotic Idea has support.

Reggie

September 27th, 2012
8:29 pm

Sooo ZaZa will have to fight off Al Horford for the starting center position??? Walter Payton get off your computer….and the drugs.

BigTimeTECHFan

September 27th, 2012
8:36 pm

Starting 5:
C Horford
PF J Smith
SF I Johnson
PG Teague
SG A Morrow

I MUS WRITE

September 27th, 2012
8:39 pm

tony

September 27th, 2012
3:13 pm

I like Lou Williams alot……it wouldn’t surprise me if he emerge as the leader of this team. From an offensive standpoint, I think Lou Williams and Devin Harris are better than JJ and MW. Time will tell.

pg-Devin Harris……………….JT
sg-Lou Williams……………….J.Jenkins
sf-JS………………………………Kyle Korver
pf-AH……………………………..Ivan Johnson
c-Zaza……………………………Johan Petro

This is what our starters and reserves should look like opening night mius one thing…..Teague over Harris.

Astro Joe

September 27th, 2012
8:39 pm

If the Hawks are considering bringing in an 18th guard (Mario West) for training camp, they better be loking at another PG and/or center. My goodness, how many guys between 6′4″-6′7″ can one team dress out?

OK, sounds like Gani Lawal is still trying to find a place to land, so maybe the former Tech player isn’t West. Nothing against Mario, but this team don’t need another guard… not even for basketball camp drills.

doc

September 27th, 2012
9:20 pm

jon barry?

um crit?

Rod from College Park

September 28th, 2012
12:12 am

Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams should never be put in the same sentence basketball wise. Joe earned his money and his name here, Marvin never earned anything.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

September 28th, 2012
2:16 am

BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

September 28th, 2012
3:04 am

Who in charge of the fantasy league this year?