Atlanta Hawks: Training camp roster released (updated)

Vivlamore reporting.

The Hawks’ initial training camp roster features 18 players, five more than the 13 currently under guaranteed contracts.

Additions to the roster are James Anderson, Keith Benson, Damion James, Carldell ‘Squeaky’ Johnson and Anthony Tolliver. Benson and James are former Hawks draft picks.

It is possible the Hawks could add a player in the next day or two before the start of training camp with a media day on Monday and first practice on Tuesday.

“It’s really just a matter of getting everybody in [camp],” coach Larry Drew said of his roster of veterans, rookies and invitees.  “Once you get all the pieces to the component, then you can really see how guys gel off one another and who plays well with one another.”

Many Hawks players have been at Philips Arena the past several weeks working out on their own.

* Anderson is a former first-round pick of the Spurs in 2010 (20th overall). The 6-foot-6 guard played in 77 games over the past two seasons with an average of 3.7 points and 1.3 rebounds.

* Benson is a former Hawks second-round pick in 2011 (48th overall). The 6-11 forward/center was waived prior to the start of the season. He appeared in three games for the Warriors last season.

* James was selected by the Hawks in the first round in 2011 (24th overall). His rights were traded to the Nets on draft night. The 6-7 forward played in 32 games for the Nets, including 16 starts, and averaged 4.5 points and 3.7 rebounds.

* Johnson appeared in 15 games for the Hornets last season. The 5-10 guard averaged 1.8 points and 1.5 assists.

* Tolliver played the past two seasons for the Timberwolves. The 6-8 forward has also played for the Spurs, Trail Blazers and Warriors. He has averaged 6.8 points and 4.5 rebounds in four seasons.

The remaining players under contract with the Hawks are: Devin Harris, Al Horford, John Jenkins, Ivan Johnson, Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow, Zaza Pachulia, Johan Petro, Mike Scott, Josh Smith, DeShawn Stevenson, Jeff Teague and Lou Williams.

HAWKS ROSTER

11 James Anderson  G 6-6 215   Oklahoma St./USA

13 Keith Benson   F/C  6-11  230  Oakland/USA

34  Devin Harris  G  6-3    192 Wisconsin/USA

15 Al Horford   F/C  6-10  250    Florida/Dominican Republic

8  Damion James    F   6-7  225  Texas/USA

12  John Jenkins   G  6-4 215  Vanderbilt/USA

6   Carldell Johnson  G   5-10  180 Alabama-Birmingham/USA

44  Ivan Johnson  F  6-8   230 Cal. St. San Bernadino/USA

26    Kyle Korver  G  6-7   212  Creighton/USA

22    Anthony Morrow    G  6-5   210   Georgia Tech/USA

27    Zaza Pachulia   F/C   6-11     275   Ulker/Republic of Georgia

10      Johan Petro   C   7-0   247   Pau Orthez/France

32     Mike Scott     F    6-8  237    Virginia/USA

5      Josh Smith    F     6-9    225   Oak Hill Academy (VA)/USA

92    DeShawn Stevenson    G   6-5    218   Washington Union HS (CA)/USA

0    Jeff Teague    G    6-2    181   Wake Forest/USA

4     Anthony Tolliver    F   6-8    240   Creighton/USA

3     Lou Williams   G    6-1   175    S. Gwinnett HS (GA)/USA

- Chris Vivlamore

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58 comments Add your comment

Point-forward

September 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

Anybody know who Carldell Johnson is?

Point-forward

September 27th, 2012
7:24 pm

And Benson got invited. Good for him. He deserves it since he worked hard last SL.

rms

September 27th, 2012
7:37 pm

Is this the D-league Hawks or the NBA Hawks? Never heard of most of these guys…..

grimey

September 27th, 2012
8:04 pm

@rms that’s the point. It’s for tryouts.

Also glad Benson is coming. Hope him and Damion James make it. Waive performance for tolliver too

grimey

September 27th, 2012
8:05 pm

Waive petro I meant.

Roy Kittles

September 27th, 2012
8:06 pm

I thought the hawks would look into Hassan whiteside. At this point petro has been disappointing along every stop he’s made. Whiteside is younger and could learn from guys like horrors, smith and Zara.

grimey

September 27th, 2012
8:13 pm

I agree Roy but Benson could be better than him. He’s like a small school Anthony Davis to me

AG

September 27th, 2012
8:20 pm

Thanks for the coverage V. I have been posting that as Hawks fans – we should have fresh blog info. I really hope Benson will make the team. I don’t know were all this ZaZa love comes from. It will disappear as the season goes on.

myrak43

September 27th, 2012
9:03 pm

the zaza love comes because he has been our only true center for years that could actually play for 20 minutes a game.

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

September 27th, 2012
9:13 pm

where o where has Kevin Willis Gone?!!!!

steven a smith

September 27th, 2012
9:15 pm

No Joe Johnson and No Marvin Williams, this roster is a beautiful thing! Go Hawks!!!

doc

September 27th, 2012
9:46 pm

seems like a pretty competitive roster. probably the best roster ever at this point. glad there are no vets paid by the nba and no more of this “he will be a good guy in the club house,” trash. that is what coaches are for not payers.

mgang

September 27th, 2012
9:59 pm

squeaky johnson one guard from mike anderson uab 40 mins of hell squard that upstaged kentucky known to rob u squeaky clean on the court i.e nickname

Falcons/Hawks/UGA Fan

September 27th, 2012
10:32 pm

I dont think it is as bad as some people are predicting. Marvin did not give you anything.. So if two players can give us Joe’s production plus an extra 4 points a game we will be atleast as good as we were last year! GO HAWKS

northcyde

September 27th, 2012
10:37 pm

northcyde

September 27th, 2012
10:45 pm

You are right. Squeaky Johnson was on that 2004 UAB team that took down #1 seed Kentucky. That was the beginning of the end for Tubby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-XjyHV301s

Section 303

September 27th, 2012
10:48 pm

I like the Tolliver pick up, provided he makes the team. Ferry seems to value flexibility. Adding 1 or more players could limit that, but Tolliver would be worth the risk.

My season tickets arrived today. Preseason game with Heat almost a week away!

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

September 27th, 2012
11:07 pm

BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

STARTERS

PG-TEAGUE
SG-Morrow
SF-Jsmoove
PF-Horford
C-Zaza

2nd Squad

PG-Devin Harris
SG-Lou Williams
SF-Korver
PF-Big Ivan
C-Petro

Melvin

September 27th, 2012
11:31 pm

I wonder if the Hawks would be willing to eat a few more vets salaries that they fill does not have a role with the team going forward. (Petro)

Melvin

September 27th, 2012
11:33 pm

As for the last two spots, I would say Tolliver and Damion James. Although I would like to keep James Anderson as well….

Grimey

September 28th, 2012
12:32 am

Keith Benson Anthony Tolliver and Damion James

ntrigue

September 28th, 2012
2:40 am

We need Benson the only other shot blocker besides Josh

Grandad

September 28th, 2012
3:01 am

Keith Benson will not make the team !

LD has admitted to C-Viv;
already has line-up decisions made ?

* -unfair to Zaza- !
____________________________________________

Back to Benson:

He may block a shot here and there;
-but-
he can`t play.

I had to admit it to myself;
the kid is just not a basketball player. [by my definition]
-sorry-
That`s just my opinion.

** [based entirely on SL] … G-dad

Grandad

September 28th, 2012
3:06 am

” LD has admitted to C-Viv;
already has line-up decisions made ? ”

* r e; LD premeditating his starting line-up; prior to camp.

** Above quote had nothin` to do with Benson !
… [I did not make that clear]

vava74

September 28th, 2012
4:03 am

LD is notorious for saying things to the press and the acting differently.

Anything that he goes public with I will take it will all the salt in Utah’s desert.

vava74

September 28th, 2012
4:03 am

C-Viv,

One suggestion: shut down blogs after you post a new one please. Many thanks.

vava74

September 28th, 2012
4:09 am

Grandad,

Allow me to disagree on Benson.

Benson’s problem is not lack of skill. He has soft touch, both around the rim and from 15/18 feet away, has good offensive rebounding instincts (offensive rebounding depends less on boxing out, IMO, than on instincts), decent/average rim protection skills (length and timing), …

What he lacks is the weight/bulk and the spunk to be a presence in the paint and be effective amongst pros.

Obviously, these are important frailties, but saying that he is not a bball player when he was the leader and an effective player at the college level (albeit in a small team) cannot equate to “not a basketball player”, merely that “he does not have a pro body”.

If he will ever get “there”, I don’t know, but he is not an “hopeless case”.

ag

September 28th, 2012
6:49 am

I don’t understand all the Al hate on these blogs, but the same people wish ZaZa should start. Then you have the other group of Al haters who want us to trade for a OC (maybe a 18 – 10 guy- even suggesting Okur. Zaza is not a coach killa, but a point guard killa! He will easily blow three easy layups every game. No pick and roll, no pick and pop – nothing!

grimey

September 28th, 2012
7:23 am

Thank you vava74 for clearing that up

ag

September 28th, 2012
7:31 am

Defensively, ZaZa is so great, against the top centers in the league, LD played Collins. Again, I do not understand all the ZaZa love. For my feloow blogger myrak43, maybe you should check the stats to see who actually plays more than 20 minutes per game.

ag

September 28th, 2012
7:49 am

This team from top to bottom is the deepest team in a long while. I can actually see some potential starters on this team getting several DNP’s. Only guys like Mike Scott do I see planted firmly on the bench. Yet, this team is a lot better than Collins, Stackhouse, McGrady, Pargo, Green, etc.

wordsmithtom

September 28th, 2012
8:27 am

ag, second your 7:49. Not just better….younger and upside with the new guys. There’s chance for some player development. GM says develop. Coach better figure it out quick, he’s on the clock.

Mike is Back

September 28th, 2012
8:38 am

I like tha mix of young talent coming into camp…glad to see Benson in tha mix…should be a spirited training camp…THESE guys have to be starving for an opportunity to get some regular PT

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NORRIS CHUCK

September 28th, 2012
8:57 am

PG-TEAGUE
SG-Morrow
SF-Jsmoove
PF-Horford
C-Zaza

2nd Squad

PG-Devin Harris
SG-Lou Williams
SF-Korver
PF-Big Ivan
C-Petro

Clyde, i like that squad i just wish they had some back up at center.

KevinM

September 28th, 2012
9:24 am

I like Zaza in the middle based on the previous choices we have brought in here.
I like Lou getting the minutes at the 2. I watched him guard Petrius and Ray Ray in Game 7 last year vs. Boston. I think he’ll be fine despite the size questions.
Teague is the guy IMO, but with Lou getting big minutes, look for Harris to split minutes evenly with JT.

Those extra guys in camp? It allows the vets less wear in the preseason.

I like that roster better than last year’s by far. No more Sy is a bonus as well. LD can no longer allow his favorites to take up space.

Astro Joe

September 28th, 2012
9:32 am

I wouldn’t know Squeaky from Grumpy, Doopy or Sleepy… but I do find it strange that they would consider such a small PG on a team that is already vertically challenged.

O'Brien

September 28th, 2012
10:08 am

Melvin,

I think Petro will get sporadic minutes as the 3rd string center. And I think he will do a decent enough job that they will keep him for the entire year (unless they trade him). Plus he is making $3.5 mil. Do they want to pay off another vet at that price?

KevinM,

It will be interesting to see how LD reacts to not having iso-Joe to go to at end of games. Will it be iso-insert another player here? Or will he expand on some of the play calls we have seen from him where we actually run a play for somebody else.

Astro Joe

September 28th, 2012
10:20 am

OB, probably a little of both, depending on the situation. Iso plays are better to use when you are trying to manage the clock because there are fewer “moving parts”. I expect LouWill to be the main guy in those situations. In fact, I’m not sure the hawks have any other options other than Lou.

glw

September 28th, 2012
10:24 am

So the Hawks have 13 guaranteed contracts and 5 other invitees.

I would say all the guaranteed Hawks are locks but Mike Scott. Ferry said Scott has some guarantees, but am not sure how much is guaranteed or not guaranteed. being a mid to late 2nd rd pick IM sure he isnt 100% guaranteed.

Having said that,6 guys: Tolliver, Scott, D James, Anderson, Benson and Squeaky are fighting for 3 spots.

Scott did seem to be guaranteed a spot by what Ferry said, but if he is outplayed by Tolliver and James, does Scott still make it? They all seem to have similar skill set and couple that with having Ivan also, I just don think Scott is as a sure thing as Ferry implied when he was signed. Do all three of those final spots go to combo forwards? Or do you consider Benson for one of those final spots if he impresses a bit? He has a skill set (length and shot blocking) that the other guys dont have. At this point, Squeaky has no shot and is simply an extra ball handler in camp. I think James Anderson is a long shot now unless he proves he can give us some D at the 3.

brigadierjerry

September 28th, 2012
10:49 am

i think james is going to make the team. hawks dont need another backup pg or 2 guard.

question is i think it comes down to benson or tolliver but tolliver seems redudant to me. also if scott goes down to d-league it still counts as roster spot.

Sam

September 28th, 2012
10:59 am

NBA caliber SG and SF still needed in Atlanta. Neither needs to be a starter, but contribution of points off bench and size would be appreciated.

wordsmithtom

September 28th, 2012
11:04 am

Sam, if James is fully recovered, he is in his 3rd year; a first round pick; should be coming into his own as a NBA caliber SF. He led his league in rebounding, so he IS a force on the offensive boards. I think he is a real sleeper.

Astro Joe

September 28th, 2012
11:04 am

If James stays healthy, he stays. If he catches a cold, I’m not so sure (32 games played out of ~150 he could have played in).

Sam

September 28th, 2012
11:08 am

I repeat, NBA caliber SG and SF needed.

James was a bottom of the first round guy who has not panned out. If he was a player, a team like the Celtics, Heat, or Lakers would have been trying to sign him. Sorry to slight the guy, but he just isn’t a type player a true playoff caliber team would have on the 15 man roster.

Just Joe

September 28th, 2012
11:14 am

CV in the last blog commented that Al will be playing the majority of his minutes at center, and Josh will be at power forward, but he likes having the option of inserting ZaZa when he needs to. My best guess (without additional trades) is:

Starters:
Teague
1st Shooter
2nd Shooter or 1st Wing Defender
Smith
Horford

2nd Unit:
Harris
Williams
1st Wing Defender or 2nd Shooter
Johnson
Pachulia

End of Bench/Final Roster Spots:
3rd Shooter
2nd Wing Defender
5th Big Man
6th Big Man

I think the 15th roster spot will be kept open.

3 Shooters will be Morrow, Korver, and Jenkins.
2 Wing Defenders will come from James, Anderson, and Stevenson.
2 Bench Bigs will come from Scott, Benson, Tolliver, and Petro.

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
12:03 pm

Interesting view of the Hawks PF (excluding Ivan)…

Mike Scott is listed at 6′8″ when he’s closer to 6′9″ (6.8.75″) w/shoes. Compared to Josh Smith who’s listed at 6′9″ when he’s closer to 6′8″ w/shoes. Compared to Anthony Tolliver who’s listed at 6′8″ when he’s actually 6′8.5″

But:
Mike Scott: @ weight of 237 lbs. can Bench Press @ 14, Sprints @ 3.44 with a Max Vertical Reach of 11′4.5″ and a wingspan of 6′10.75″, compared to:

Josh Smith: @ weight of 225 lbs. can Bench Press @ 12, Sprints @ 3.24 with a Max Vertical Reach of 12′2″and a wingspan of 7′0″, compared to:

Anthony Tolliver: @ weight of 240 lbs. can Bench Press 21, Sprints @ 3.29 with a Max Vertucal Reach of 11′5.5″ and a wingspan of 7′2.5″

Observation:
From these numbers we should rename Josh from “Smoove” and call him skywalker because his vertical stands out considering he’s the shorter of the 3 players. Maybe because of his lesser weight, he’s lift on his feet.

Let’s say compared to the 3 players, jumping-wise, Scott does more with less. Since he’s virtually the same weight with a lesser wingspan as Tolliver yet his max vertical is almost the same as Tolliveer @ 11′5.4″

From these numbers, what’s glaring about Anthony Tolliver is the Bench Press# of 21 making him the stronger player.

vava74

September 28th, 2012
12:05 pm

Just Joe
September 28th, 2012
11:14 am

Co-sign. Sound analysis.

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
12:08 pm

Scott is actually faster than Tolliver yet only weighs 3 lbs lighter

Ken Strickland

September 28th, 2012
12:10 pm

If everyone is healthy and have solid camps, I see our starting lineup being
PF JSmith
SF DJames
C AHorford
PG JTeague
SG ?

It could come down to AMorrow, DHarris or JJenkins. LWilliams is too imporant as a proven scorer and facilitator off the bench, while DHarris and Teague are rather redundant at PG with both players being more effective with the ball in their hands. I believe it will boil down to the shooting ability and size of either Jenkins or Morrow.

DJames has more of the abilities that Ferry covets at SF. He’s strong, physical, and an above average rebounder and finisher for a SF. He’s also a good perimeter defender with the ability to fill the lanes on fastbreaks. He’s not a prolific outside scorer, which is why the outside shooting abilities of Morrow and Jenkins at SG will be so important.

Without Horford, and with some players that ended up being more of a liability than anything else, we managed to get the 5th seed. I’d consider the additions of Petro, Harris, Williams, Morrow, Tolliver, Korver, James, Anderson and Stevenson to be major upgrades over Collins, Dampier, Stackhouse, Pargo, Green, TMac, Vlad Rad and Hinrich. In fact, Hinrich, as a starter, was less productive than Bibby on OFF, and not a helluva lot better defensively down the stretch.

Regardless of who makes our final 15 man roster, we’ll be able to maintain an uptempo style of OFF throughout the gm and put tremendous pressure on opposing front and backcourts.

The additional speed, quickness, athleticism, youth, stamina, talent, depth, versatility, shooting and penetrating ability we’ve gained with our new additions puts this team head and shoulders above anything we’ve had in well over a decade. Some insist on claiming we’ll suffer because of a lack of DEF, but I totally disagree. We didn’t suffer due to a lack of DEF while depending heavily on MBibby and JCrawford, who were 2 guards that were definite DEF liabilities.

I don’t think we have a single player under contract that’s a bad as Bibby and Jamal were defensively.

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
12:23 pm

Really, Scott, with the weight he carries, is faster than both Josh and Tolliver

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
12:27 pm

Correction: Scott is the slower of the both Josh and Tolliver. Josh Smith Smith is the faster of the 3 players

brigadierjerry

September 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

jenkins reminds me of jeff hornacek/rip hamilton type player moves well without the ball and will hit open shots

brigadierjerry

September 28th, 2012
12:52 pm

hawks options for sf and sg r limited now.

who is really out there that is available?

pietrus wants more than vet minimum. i dont see the hawks taking back someone with a big contract

i see if a trade happens later in the season

Astro Joe

September 28th, 2012
1:24 pm

Just Joe, I know that we only have pre-draft numbers to make those comparisons… but that was Josh as a 19 YO with no wear and tear on his knees and ankles.

Strickland, I was hoping that in your best “all is well” perspective, that you would project Squeaky Johnson as a cross between Charlie Criss, Mugsy Bogues and Spud Webb…. a guy destined to become the toast of the NBA with the right encouragment. There’s still some time left in the day. :lol:

Just Joe

September 28th, 2012
1:30 pm

AJ…Truth was running those PF numbers, not me.

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
1:43 pm

Let’s compared Al Jefferson and Al Horford numbers:

Jefferson is listed at 6′10″ when he’s actually 6′9.75″ w/shoes compared to Horford who’s listed at 6′10″ when he’s actually 6′9.75″ (the same)

But:
Jefferson @ weight of 265 lbs. can Bench Press @ 13, Sprints @ 3.29, with a Max Vertical Reach of 11′8″ @ a wingspan of 7′2.5″, compared to:

Horford: @ weight of 250 lbs., can Bench Press @ 20, Sprints @ 3.37, with a Max Vertical Reach of 11′10.5″ @ a wingspan of 7′0.75″

Observation:
It’s amazing Jefferson can carry 15 more lbs than Horford yet can sprint slightly faster @ 3.29. But that’s about all that favors Jefferson (from these numbers)

Al Horford weight is 15 lbs lighter @ 250 lbs yet can Bench Press 20 compared to Jefferson 13 making Al Horford much Stronger. Also Though Jefferson has a longer wingspan than Horford, Horford Max Vertical Reach is higher. Means Jefferson can’t jump as high as Horford.

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
1:52 pm

AJ
“but that was Josh as a 19 YO with no wear and tear on his knees and ankles.”

Those pre-draft numbers applied to all the players. But it’s true Josh was only 19 YO perhaps younger than Tolliver and Scott. Since the outcome favored the youthful Josh, may means now the older Josh might have loss a step (not sure). Growth wise, not sure, if he grew more from 19 to current age.

The Truth

September 28th, 2012
1:59 pm

PS
If Al Jefferson weighted 265 lbs at pre-draft day, at age 27, I have no earthly idea what he weighs today