SportSouth to televise 75 Hawks games
Vivlamore reporting.
SportSouth will televise 75 of the 82 Hawks games during the 2012-13 NBA season, all in high definition. The network will air the season opener on Nov. 2 against the Rockets at Philips Arena.
Former Hawks star and Hall of Famer Dominique Wilkins returns for his fifth straight season as the Hawks game analyst. Play-by-play announcer Bob Rathbun returns for his 17th season. Jerome Jurenovich will serve as the sideline reporter.
Before and after every televised game, SportSouth will air a 30-minute pre- and post-game segment. Andre Aldridge will host and Mike Glenn will be the analyst.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Buddy Grizzard
September 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
Dominique getting clowned by Larry Bird:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/08/16/20110701_1988_atl_bos_GM7.nba/index.html
Melvin
September 20th, 2012
4:22 pm
Hawks will have NIMBERS again this season
bulldogbubba
September 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
Sounds like a good crew except for Bob Rathburn.For some reason I can’t listen to him long.Was glad a few years back when the braves replaced him on their telecasts. Oh well I guess I can turn down the sound and listen to radio.
NOT 'NIQUE AGAIN
September 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
I love Nique as a Hawk, but my god he’s the worst to ever broadcast sports. EVER. How many times can I hear him say ‘He do what he do out on the court’ or ‘he’s a guy that can shoot that shot?’ Tell me why teams are running certain plays or why a defense is reacting the way they are, not ‘this guy’s a good player, Bob.’
HawkGuy
September 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
Am I the only one who thinks it’s odd a paid Hawks/ATL VP is also the game analyst? Is this normal for other teams?
Buddy Grizzard
September 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
Click on that link and you’ll know why we don’t get a lot of detailed analysis from Dominique regarding defensive technique.
tjhook
September 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
Domonique Wilkins the player: YES
Domonique Wilkins the analyst: NO-O-O!!
Why doesn’t Sports South switch up Wilkins and Glenn’s roles?
Astro Joe
September 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
“Heat Check” returns.
Buddy Grizzard
September 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
Seriously, watch that video at 2:40. Bird isolates against Dominique and goes by him like he’s not even there. Dominique was a player with athleticism comparable to Michael Jordan. Why was Jordan one of the best defensive players in NBA history while Dominique, a player with similar athletic gifts, was a complete joke defensively?
Heart.
Effort.
Seriously, watch that video at 2:40 and watch the plodding white guy blow by one of the most celebrated athletes in NBA history. It’s pathetic.
NOT 'NIQUE AGAIN
September 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
tjhook: I agree! I thought the Stinger was great as an analyst. Bring him back. PLEASE!
Astro Joe
September 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
Buddy, you must be bored if you are looking for video evidence that a player considered one of the 10 best in NBA history was able to score off a guy who was never known for being an excellent defender. Not to mention that it is 20+ years old.
vanomania
September 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
@HawkGuy Tom Glavine is in the Braves’ front office and also does color commentary about once a week. I also find it odd, but it is apparently normal in Atlanta.
Buddy Grizzard
September 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
This is why Dominique was left off the 50 greatest players. Because greatness involves effort at both ends of the court.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
September 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
This year I’m turning the TV down and listening to Steve Holman on the radio. I can’t take another year of Nique.
Buddy Grizzard
September 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
AJ I’m just making the comparison between Joe Johnson and Dominique Wilkins. Both were lacking in the Heart department. Both failed to take the Hawks to the ECF.
Pete
September 20th, 2012
5:38 pm
It shows your knowledge of basketball when you are comparing Joe Johnson to Dominique. Why didn’t you post the video of Nique scoring 56 against the Bulls while being guarded by Pippen and Jordan? Or why didn’t you post the video of Dominique scoring 57 against the Celtics?
Astro Joe
September 20th, 2012
5:41 pm
Buddy, so YouTube is a good tool for evaluating a player’s heart? Wow. Sorry, I don’t ever recall watching a Hawks team with Joe Johnson and thinking to myself, “they should be in the ECF because they are clearly a top 2 team in the conference”. Not once did I personally come to that conclusion. If it would take a Herculean effort to get a team to the ECF, then maybe that team needs to consider adding talent (or better coaching) as opposed to purchasing rabbit’s feet and hoping for a miracle.
Astro Joe
September 20th, 2012
5:45 pm
Clyde, Holman is a trip. Dude always sounds shocked and surprised when the Hawks go something good. He acts like a blogger.
glw
September 20th, 2012
5:52 pm
I dont care for Nique analyst skills. His subject and verbs dont always agree with each other.
I loved it when Steve Smith did it. He was very inciteful.
Rod from College Park
September 20th, 2012
6:03 pm
“Seriously, watch that video at 2:40. Bird isolates against Dominique and goes by him like he’s not even there. Dominique was a player with athleticism comparable to Michael Jordan. Why was Jordan one of the best defensive players in NBA history while Dominique, a player with similar athletic gifts, was a complete joke defensively?
Heart.
Effort.”
Well I guess Bird played with no heart and effort either because Nique continuosly put up 50 or mor points with Bird checking him. LOL
Rod from College Park
September 20th, 2012
6:04 pm
As long as I don’t have to see that “At home with Marvin Williams” show again, I’m ok.
Rod from College Park
September 20th, 2012
6:05 pm
They also need to replace Nique a couple of games with Duane Ferrell. He was very good the few games he did last year.
chc4
September 20th, 2012
6:18 pm
Jordan was not even close to being one of the best defenders of all time. Clown statement.
ECF or Bust
September 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
is that Fox sports south or comcast sports south?
looks like neither is on comcast lineup.
Bubba G. Resident Genius
September 20th, 2012
6:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngtWdgOz0o
ECF or Bust
September 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
according to comcast sign up website but found css on tv channel guide line up
Slimjr
September 20th, 2012
7:04 pm
Danny realizes his guards will only take his Franchise so far. He will need two ALLSTAR Caliber Frontline players to contest for an ECF or dare I say Finals..
I keep seeing the Miami model being posted by a very longtime Hawk Fanatic over and over again ..
What does Miami have that the Hawks are lacking? Hmmmmm
Slimjr
September 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
11.7 pts.per game on 0.474 [NBA.com] shooting from an [AllStar] in the playoffs is not getting it done….
His 8.7 rebs, is not impact changing stuff from your AllStar 5 by a long shot.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/al_horford/career_stats.html
ECF or Bust
September 20th, 2012
7:29 pm
any comcasters out there care to pipe in on whether or not you get css or is it foxss?
isaih the rider
September 20th, 2012
8:07 pm
Bob Rath bum is the worst anouncer in sports. Danny Ferry needs to clean house with the announcing team! If I hear ” heat check” one more time from Nique I’m going to go insane!!
Blast
September 20th, 2012
8:19 pm
The part I like best is the games will be in high def. Great on my new home dvr!
I actually think Nique is hilarious.
brigadierjerry
September 20th, 2012
8:35 pm
i watch clyde frazier in the northeast and he is good. i remember when clyde did hawks games with john sterling
Tired of Horford Hating
September 20th, 2012
8:46 pm
“11.7 pts.per game on 0.474 [NBA.com] shooting from an [AllStar] in the playoffs is not getting it done….
His 8.7 rebs, is not impact changing stuff from your AllStar 5 by a long shot.”
Allstar – 7′2″ Roy Hibbert Playoff Stat: 11.2 pts. per game on 0.483 is he getting it done?
Roy Hibbert Salary: 2012=13.6M, 2013=14.3M, 2014=14.9M, 2015=15.5M
Al Horford Salary: 2012=12M, 2013=12M, 2014=12M, 2015=12M
Roy makes more while Al salary is not even inflation protected.
All you do is hate on the Hawks and Al while you call yourself a fan.
You are a closet troll blinded by your hate for Al calling yourself a fan
Don’t know JACK about the game
Ignorance on parade
DawgNole
September 20th, 2012
8:59 pm
Buddy Grizzard
September 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
AJ I’m just making the comparison between Joe Johnson and Dominique Wilkins. Both were lacking in the Heart department. Both failed to take the Hawks to the ECF.
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NO ATL Hawks player has taken the team to the ECF. Ever.
DawgNole
September 20th, 2012
9:01 pm
ECF or Bust
September 20th, 2012
7:29 pm
any comcasters out there care to pipe in on whether or not you get css or is it foxss?
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Not a comcaster any more–they drove us crazy with their technical and billing issues–but I believe it’s SportSouth, not CSS, that will be carrying the Hawks.
DawgNole
September 20th, 2012
9:07 pm
isaih the rider
September 20th, 2012
8:07 pm
Bob Rath bum is the worst anouncer in sports. Danny Ferry needs to clean house with the announcing team! If I hear ” heat check” one more time from Nique I’m going to go insane!!
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Agreed. Hawks announcers have to be the worst shills in pro sports. Hate to see that they’re bringing back the bush league homers. At least Nique has substance as a player, but Rathbun is totally worthless–about as biased a play-by-play man as I’ve ever heard. Especially on the pro level. No pretense whatsoever of objectivity–and thus no integrity.
brigadierjerry
September 20th, 2012
9:09 pm
dawgnole,
long time no see. can u give me ur thoughts on the hawks moves starting with joe johnson and marvin williams trades until now?
DawgNole
September 20th, 2012
9:25 pm
brigadierjerry
September 20th, 2012
9:09 pm
dawgnole,
long time no see. can u give me ur thoughts on the hawks moves starting with joe johnson and marvin williams trades until now?
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Hello there, brig. Hope you’ve enjoyed the offseason. I haven’t been following the Hawks much at all this summer. Was so disappointed with their failure against the Celtics, I just took a break and started trolling (I prefer to call it “visiting”) the UGA, GT, Braves, and Falcons blogs.
I will say that I’m surprised (but pleased) that they let go of Johnson and Williams–as much for the $$$ it freed up as anything else. I was a fan of both of those guys, but shared the frustration of many on here when they repeatedly fell short of their capabilities–especially given the bloated salaries they commanded.
I’m hoping Ferry will prove to be a breath of fresh air–something this franchise has sorely needed. I think he has shown a willingness to at least do something, not just stand pat–as so many ATL teams have done for 5 decades.
Hard to believe the season starts in little over a month. Maybe we’ll finally show some real progress this go-round; i.e., make it past Round 2.
Najeh Davenpoop
September 20th, 2012
11:12 pm
The Hawks were on SportSouth — not CSS — on my Comcast last year.
I wish they would put these games on Peachtree TV so they can be seen in HD over the air.
Najeh Davenpoop
September 20th, 2012
11:13 pm
“Hawks announcers have to be the worst shills in pro sports. Hate to see that they’re bringing back the bush league homers. At least Nique has substance as a player, but Rathbun is totally worthless–about as biased a play-by-play man as I’ve ever heard. Especially on the pro level. No pretense whatsoever of objectivity–and thus no integrity.”
You ever watched a Celtics home broadcast?
brigadierjerry
September 20th, 2012
11:51 pm
yes tommy heinson actually makes me laugh the way he calls games
ag
September 21st, 2012
6:23 am
Man, I agree Rod… that at home with Marvin Williams must have played about 50 times over the last two seasons! You never know, we had a season review about Willie Green after he was traded to the Clippers!
ECF or Bust!
September 21st, 2012
7:17 am
mee too Najeh. PTV and the Hawks. matchup made in heaven.
personally I like Rathbun. Nopefully Nique will step it up a notch this year.
Ooogadala is out west this year so we won’t get that classic as often.
ECF or Bust!
September 21st, 2012
7:20 am
thanks Dawnnole. go confused with all the sports souths out there.
fox ss
comcast ss
plain old ss. [sister station with fss, I think]
am I missing any?
Pinball
September 21st, 2012
8:13 am
To Astro Joe:
You are right. Steve Holman may be the worst “homer” announcer of all time. It’s OK to show a little favoritism to your employer, but he is an embarrassment.
NUNNA!!!
September 21st, 2012
8:14 am
bulldogbubba
September 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
“Sounds like a good crew except for Bob Rathburn. Oh well I guess I can turn down the sound and listen to radio.”
———————————————————————
And listen to whiny a– Steve Holman”???
“And they call a foul on Josh Smith”!!!
“Whistle blows and the officials find another hawk to call a foul on”..
“And they call a technical on Coach Mike Woodson”!! Home Cooking!!
“Josh shoots another air ball and the sixers get the rebound”..
Well,the last one i don’t mind but he acts as though the hawks never foul and is such a HOMER!! lol..
But..I love him anyway lol
Geemack
September 21st, 2012
8:16 am
Atlanta is a great city with excellent sports fans when you give them something to cheer about. Hard to believe this franchise has never been past the 2nd round in almost 50 years of hoops. Not 1 conference Championship.
Now, Bob, that there was a Heat Check
September 21st, 2012
8:22 am
Wow, you geniuses still can’t distinguish Fox Sport South from SportSouth? Hilarious!
I love Buns of Wrath, but Jacques Dominique Wilkins should be fired. Ratings nimbers have really plummeted since he joined the broadcast.
Sam
September 21st, 2012
8:25 am
What about the 7 other games? Are those going to be national broadcasts?
glw
September 21st, 2012
9:04 am
I used to like Holman, but the Hawks moved so much on radio, but rarely listen now, but that sounds like him so much. He is a homer, but he is also like a fan, who points out the obvious like u said with Josh shooting another airball or throws up a brick.
Nique is so bad though. Not much insight.
And then when his grammar use gets off.
Like Nique if a team is making a comeback he will say, “The Celtics is back in this game”, “is” should be “are” Nique went to GA before all that Jan Kemp stuff, I guess. lol
Geronimo
September 21st, 2012
9:38 am
We’ll hear “Oh, that’s a heat check.” at least 150 times then. I really don’t care who the crew is, since I’m watching the actual game myself, but I do wait for Nique to pull that one out at least once a game.
They should probably mix the crew up some, but it sounds like people have problems with everyone but the Stinger. I admit I prefer these guys over the national broadcasters if given the choice, even though I like the TNT guys most of the time.
MsDee
September 21st, 2012
9:53 am
Ujiri has emerged as a rising star among league front-office executives and had been the 76ers’ primary target along with new Atlanta Hawks GM Danny Ferry, sources said. Yahoo! Sports
doc
September 21st, 2012
10:01 am
Rod i know you have a hard time agreeing with me but i already made the comment regarding the loss of the interminable and infinite home with marvin’s are a presumed huge benefit to the marvin trade. That goes for the one on jj as well. It seems that could have been a criteria for the trade as i dont think i have seen anyone else in their camera sights. Heh heh
Astro Joe
September 21st, 2012
10:24 am
They did one of those “at home with…” shows on Jeff Franceur, too.
milesarcher33
September 21st, 2012
10:36 am
Wouldn’t it be great if Steve Holman could do both the rafdio and the TV, i.e broadcast the same game call on both.
doc
September 21st, 2012
10:42 am
Yeah forgot that astro, best exit out of town. Hope your guy josh doesnt show up on repeat “home with”.
ctrim
September 21st, 2012
10:48 am
NBA Player Rank on ESPN has Al at #30 and Josh @ #31. Can’t we all just get along? lol
Astro Joe
September 21st, 2012
11:11 am
doc, I’ve been working on a script for the past 3-4 years.
doc
September 21st, 2012
11:39 am
It ends exit stage left i presume. Heh heh
t_height
September 21st, 2012
11:40 am
I like Nique because he call it like it is. I only get annoyed when he continuously talk about the other teams stars all game. I’m already upset by the stupid play of the team and now I have to listen Nique brag about other players on the opposing teams.
ag
September 21st, 2012
12:14 pm
As long as Mike Tereco NEVER does a game, I am fine. He is the absolute worse. If it were not for the National media, would we know the refs in the NFL are replacements?
TMACfan
September 21st, 2012
1:37 pm
ROFL ESPN has Al Horford ranked 30th and Josh Smith ranked 31st.
I was thinking for sure Josh Smith would have been a top 20…
Najeh Davenpoop
September 21st, 2012
1:50 pm
“If it were not for the National media, would we know the refs in the NFL are replacements?”
If their abysmal officiating didn’t give it away, I think we would have figured it out when they referred to Ray Edwards as “#93 Red”, or maybe when they referred to the Falcons repeatedly as “Arizona” for an entire half.
Buddy G
September 21st, 2012
2:16 pm
“I was thinking for sure Josh Smith would have been a top 20…”
Marc Gasol is better than All-NBA? I think not. A lot will depend on whether Josh and Al can stay healthy for an entire season. The last thing Josh wants is an injury setback in a contract year. If those two stay healthy for an entire season, they will both be top 20 next year.
wordsmithtom
September 21st, 2012
2:27 pm
Buddy G, with 2 quality point guards and three point shooters on the wing, Josh and Al should have a lot of space and opps to score down low. I agree with your assessment.
Luv Josh Smith
September 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
Cunningham: What happened to your season review of last season’s Hawks players. I believe you got up to the letter G. Looking forward to the set. Go Hawks!
Ken Strickland
September 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
I have issues with most of our announcers just like every other Hawks fan. But if you want to gain an appreciation of how lucky we are to have what we have as announcers, just spend a little time listening to a Celtics broadcast. Tom Heinson has to be the absolute worst announcer and homer in the league.
Grandad
September 21st, 2012
3:37 pm
I hate espn;
but just this one time:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ah ah ah ha ah ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
104 Xperts can`t all be wrong.
jhan
September 21st, 2012
3:41 pm
I also believe both players will be ranked higher come the end of the season. I’m just glad we have both on our squad.
Ken Strickland
September 21st, 2012
3:46 pm
This yr our announcers should have it a lot easier than in the past, when they had to explain away all of the
1-ISOs,
2-illadvised jumpers,
3-lack of penetration,
4-walking the ball up the court when we should be running it up
5-PFs and OCs running point on fastbreaks rather than giving it to a guard
With the recent addition of so many capable 3pt shooters(Jenkins, Korver, Morrow, Harris, Williams), I doubt if anyone, especially GM DFerr, will tolerate Josh launching those illadvised 3pointers of the past. Either he accepts his role as a primary inside scorer and lane filler on fastbreaks, or Ferry will either trade him or allow him to walk.
Ferry is definitely going to expect more control of the team and overall direction from LDrew and his players. This team doesn’t belong to any player(s), or the HC. It belongs to GM Danny Ferry. Ferry’s insistence on direction and accountability, both from players and coaches, along with the infusion of youth, speed, quickness, athleticism, versatility, depth, shooting and penetrating ability, will make for an exciting season for the Hawks and us fans.
With the
ECF or Bust
September 21st, 2012
4:26 pm
bugs me when Nique says “they” need to do this or that when he is talking about the Hawks. it’s ok to say WE when talking about the Hawks, Nique. makes it easier to keep up with who you are referring to. WE=Hawks. THEY = other team…
Najeh Davenpoop
September 21st, 2012
5:34 pm
“104 Xperts can`t all be wrong.”
Yes they can.
AG
September 21st, 2012
6:28 pm
ND – yest they make mistakes, but honestly, although they get some of the rules confused, I think they call the game a lot closer. I would say they get it right 80% of the time. The regulars about 85%. I am in sales, and if our Admin Asst went on strike, they would replace her with another fresh pretty face out of college. She would make some mistakes, but eventually with experience she will get better. If the sales team went on strike, then the $$ – or lack thereof would hurt the entire organization.
The regular refs are screwing themselves. They are about as smart as the Eastern Airline employees 30 years ago. Yet, with there departure, new people are getting an opportunity.
Slimjr
September 21st, 2012
8:36 pm
Tired of Horford Hating
Then take a nap…zzzzzzzz
Rod from College Park
September 21st, 2012
8:39 pm
“104 Xperts can`t all be wrong.”
Those same experts said that Marvin Williams would be a star. Were they right or wrong?
Slimjr
September 21st, 2012
8:40 pm
Walt Frazier is simply amazing to hear. Hands down, truly great! imo
DawgNole
September 21st, 2012
8:42 pm
Ken Strickland
September 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
I have issues with most of our announcers just like every other Hawks fan. But if you want to gain an appreciation of how lucky we are to have what we have as announcers, just spend a little time listening to a Celtics broadcast. Tom Heinson has to be the absolute worst announcer and homer in the league.
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I’ve always heard that Heinson is awful, but that doesn’t make me feel any better about our dorks. Rathbun’s the worst because he has the skills to be smugly subtle with his huge bias. Sometimes you have to listen carefully, but soon you realize there’s a constant undertone in his play-by-play that “quietly” screams, “The refs are cheating the Hawks, and none of the Hawks ever makes a bad play or commits a dumb foul.” That crap gets real old game after game.
doc
September 21st, 2012
9:07 pm
Pearl and clyde. Only way you have any trophies i believe there slimj. Yeah willis, bradley, jackson and a memory expert along with red. Ultimately the guards were what drove the machine.
Rusty
September 21st, 2012
9:28 pm
Tjhook I try but it’s really hard to agree with anything you say,are you really not LD.
Blast
September 21st, 2012
9:33 pm
Don’t know why y’all hating on Bob, but this guy has been broadcasting for 20 years, Hawks/Dream games, and I think he is pretty good. He is passionate and knows the game. Y’all say Nique is bad? I challenge you to watch a WNBA NBA TV game that does not include the Dream, and comment on the broadcasting. It is horrendous.
If you think Nique is horrible, which he is except he been so bad cracks me up, anybody that pulls a dagger on Rob is just hating. Rod is a fine game caller. He wouldn’t have that job for 20 years if he wasn’t.
And if you watch the Dream games Rob has called this year as he always does, along with the most gorgeous Lachina Robinson, whom I hope to marry as soon as I can meet her, and compare those games called by broadcasters for other teams, you must appreciate what you have.
You think Rob is so bad, then give me three more broadcasters that are better on local tv. Not ESPN or TNT. I’ve seen em all.
Folks gonna come out here and talk sh!t about what they don’t know.
Get the F&ck outta here.
DawgNole
September 21st, 2012
9:44 pm
Blast
September 21st, 2012
9:33 pm
Don’t know why y’all hating on Bob, but this guy has been broadcasting for 20 years, Hawks/Dream games, and I think he is pretty good. He is passionate and knows the game. Y’all say Nique is bad? I challenge you to watch a WNBA NBA TV game that does not include the Dream, and comment on the broadcasting. It is horrendous.
If you think Nique is horrible, which he is except he been so bad cracks me up, anybody that pulls a dagger on Rob is just hating. Rod is a fine game caller. He wouldn’t have that job for 20 years if he wasn’t.
And if you watch the Dream games Rob has called this year as he always does, along with the most gorgeous Lachina Robinson, whom I hope to marry as soon as I can meet her, and compare those games called by broadcasters for other teams, you must appreciate what you have.
You think Rob is so bad, then give me three more broadcasters that are better on local tv. Not ESPN or TNT. I’ve seen em all.
Folks gonna come out here and talk sh!t about what they don’t know.
Get the F&ck outta here.
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What an ignorant comment. “You can call me Bob or you can call me Rod or you can call me Rob.” You called him all three. Who the hell are talking about anyway?
Bob (his correct name) is technically proficient but nauseatingly biased–even though he disguises it well from ignoramuses who think he’s good. And he’s had his job for 20 years because he has no problem being a butt-kissing toady.
It’s not a matter of hate; it’s a matter of professionalism. And he has very little.
Blast
September 21st, 2012
9:56 pm
DawgNole, or who ever you are:
I was not reffering to you in any way or fashion, I reffered to the collective blogsmosphere and the collective angst I was feeling about the tone of the blog. The only Bob I was reffering to is Bob Rathburn, the guy that calls the Hawks/Dream games and sometimes Nascar.
That Dude Says...
September 21st, 2012
10:19 pm
So who’s calling the Thrashers games?
BWHAHAAAAHAAAAH hockey what a dumb sport.
DawgNole
September 21st, 2012
10:32 pm
Blast
September 21st, 2012
9:56 pm
DawgNole, or who ever you are:
I was not reffering to you in any way or fashion, I reffered to the collective blogsmosphere and the collective angst I was feeling about the tone of the blog. The only Bob I was reffering to is Bob Rathburn, the guy that calls the Hawks/Dream games and sometimes Nascar.
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If you’re going to get on here and take potshots at the bloggers and tell them to “get the f outta here” because you think they don’t know what they’re talking about, then you’d better be ready to get called on it–especially when you spell the guy’s name four different ways. It’s Bob (not Rob or Rod) Rathbun (not Rathburn). And he’s still a shameless boot-licker for the Hawks.
Rusty
September 21st, 2012
11:04 pm
JJ couldn’t carry niques jock.he brought it on every game & was a force always,truly one of the greats,he just had tremendous heart.
Slimjr
September 21st, 2012
11:22 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
September 21st, 2012
5:34 pm
“104 Xperts can`t all be wrong.”
“Yes they can”
Co-sign..All day long.
Slimjr
September 21st, 2012
11:30 pm
Yes doc, agree there..
Today’s Hawks will require a very talented [Front Line] to defeat the Elite and win a Championship..
The two combined [Josh and his side kick ALL NBA] do not have the required Firepower to get it done by a long shot…
Keep the streak alive if you keep both…
45
Grandad
September 22nd, 2012
1:05 am
I reckon [all] 104 Xperts from *[espn] are [all] more ill-informed,
and less acute than the **[ANAL MINDED MORONS] on this blog.
-disclaimer-
* espn:
aforementioned distaste for espn
** ANAL MINDED MORONS:
soubriquet (fr/sp) – frequently attached to the Al haters on this blog.
KevinM
September 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
For all you complaining about our current broadcasting crew, if you recall the John Sterling days, you would have dumped the TV broadcasts long ago. Sterling became very annoying at the end of games pumping up the home team being ‘nitty gritty’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mV3ENcW5mY
This guy’s voice ruined the best run in Atlanta Hawks’ history. And for Slim, here’s Clyde by Sterling’s side.
Sterling says Spud coming in the game and we’re only going to be faster, than 2 min later, Clyde comments how much slower we’ll be with Moses and Koncak in the game at the same time.
Good stuff.
KevinM
September 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Found a clip of the 1970 Hawks against Phx….Pistol’s rookie year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzaki4yEC4s&feature=related
Oh to have another Walt Bellamy on the inside.
Times have changed….The Hawk picked up 3 early fouls and stayed in the game.
That would never happen today.
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
9:57 am
I have had league pass for two years and Rathburn is one of the best local broadcasters. Hands down.
All local telecasters are homers. It’s part of the job description.
Clarity, enthusiasm and Professionalism.
Nique is a different story. It’s difficult not to like him, IMO, even though his analysis skills are hopelessly absent.
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
On the ESPN rankings, it’s a travesty.
Josh is a top 20 player right now. Horford is correctly placed at the 30#.
ECF or Bust!
September 22nd, 2012
10:56 am
on the floor with the score.
that was a classic.
the good ol days are now Hawks fans!
brigadierjerry
September 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
kevinm,
i mentioned earlier in this blog sterling and clyde frasier. sterling does yankees radio for over 25 years. he is horrible. regular flyballs are home runs to him. another problem he has siganature calls for specific players just like he will say an a-bomb from arod. he is really bad. misses calls constantly
Ray
September 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
Why the heck does ESPN have to ruin the mood talking about trade ideas for Josh Smith dang it he’s committed to staying at least so far under Danny Ferry he is.
sam'l
September 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm
Steve Holman is very bad at describing the game, misses calls, has a xenophobic attitude, actually despises certain players (Dwayne Wade for one) and really is a poor representative for the Hawks. Plus, he does not really seem to be connected to what is going on. It would be a great benefit for the Hawks to exhibit some intelligence. Ryan Cameron also sucks, altho if he could tone down his “offensive” comments, he might be tolerable. Basketball is the game, not a bad circus act.
Really, we can chuckle and tolerate and enjoy mediocrity or we can demand intelligent, hardworking, competent people who actually do their jobs and radiate success and honesty and if not winning, at least competing and showing brains and guts. Might as well have an announcer who can do that as well.
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
2:03 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/atlanta-hawks-2012-2013-game-game-predictions-one-011200462–nba.html
Someone’s take on the upcoming Hawks’ season.
Ken Strickland
September 22nd, 2012
2:26 pm
First off Let me say that any body who is dissatisfied will Al Horford’s lack of performance, as many of you are, will be classified by me as either a hater or a troll, well in some cases both.
Why?
The logic escapes me now but, Go hawks.
Now back to you haters and trolls. I cant fully understand why you arent excited about a center who can play power forward having career numbers of 12 pt 9 rebounds. That excites the hell out of me.
You need to Join our cult and worship Al like Sautee, Ashole Joe.and myself. While its true we are a minority cult we will grow if you join us. All we ask is that you call all the bloggers on this site who are calling for Al to be traded, “haters” and anyone who is critical of Al’s weak game a “troll” then you can be one of us.
According to the GRAND POOTBUTT Sautee. Our continuing 2012 strategy of defending the many many criticisms of Al’s disgusting performances is to Attack Josh. And while its true that Josh had nothing to do with Al’s poor performance its important for us to attack Josh to help Al.
Why?
The logic escapes me now but lets move on.
Now, A lot of you have been comparing Jon Koncak with Al Horford. That may be a good comparison Although the defensive number favor Koncak and the offensive numbers Al however they are both over paid.
Now, I know that the majority of the bloggers want to get Al traded. And that my happen, but in the mean while I need All of my cult brother to ATTACK JOSH!!!!! ATTACH FCKING JOSH, ATTACK ATTACK YOU MUTHER F CKERS ATTACK !!
YOU ANAL MINDED MORONS AS S HOLES … AND PLAY TEAGUE
Ken Strickland
September 22nd, 2012
2:30 pm
*Now, I know that the majority of the bloggers want to get Al traded. And that might happen,
Ken Strickland
September 22nd, 2012
2:33 pm
Help me hate ashole Joe are you in this cult or not?
News Bulletin
September 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
Astro Joe
September 21st, 2012
7:26 pm
If Al doesn’t turn the ball over 7 times in game six of the playoffs then we probably win that series. Al fcked Up again Ken. You are on your own. I’ll see you at the next cult sacrifice. Bring a stray cat.
I’m out brother.
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Mail Man
September 21st, 2012
8:20 pm
Trading Al now while there is still some value to his name would be the wisest move the hawks can make. It makes since to trade Al now. Zaza and Ivan proved we havent missed Al one bit… And he could have kept that playoff fart. I think we would have done better if Al had just stayed home. He messed it up for the rest of the guys. I thought Al was going to be traded with Marvin Williams.
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NiQue
September 21st, 2012
9:06 pm
Yea, Al has been a disappointment. Theres just not enough to his game and he doesnt like defense. He should have hired Hakeem the dream or or somebody to train him.
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Darren
September 21st, 2012
9:58 pm
Why does every one want to trade Al? He would make a nice bench player as a back up to Al Jefferson or Josh Smith.
Can you imagine. Josh Smith. Devin Harris and Al Jefferson…. Wow. That would be nice. Just add the trimmings.
Just Joe
September 22nd, 2012
4:09 pm
Yes, let’s build around Josh, Devin, and Jefferson, since Milsap/Favors, Devin, and Jefferson didn’t even win a playoff game last year despite Milsap/Favors combing for 23+ pts, 20+ rebounds, and 4 blocks.
Come on, we can put better talent than that around Josh.
Slimjr
September 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
“On the ESPN rankings, it’s a travesty.
Josh is a top 20 player right now. Horford is correctly placed at the 30#.”
Co-sign. You are must be a Horford [Hater] or [ worse] as one [Hawk Fanatic] describes some all the time….
Let me add Horford is not a top 30 player by a long shot..Make his azz a 1st option and watch this team win 28 games.. LMBO!!!!!!
Slimjr
September 22nd, 2012
5:37 pm
delete [are]^^^^
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
6:49 pm
Slimjr,
Let me set the record straight.
I like Al, but his 2010/12 softness made me fear weary.
2011/12 come back for the playoffs made me hopeful.
Hope does not mean trust. Until I can’t trust Al as guy with heart/dog I prefer Josh’s antics.
Josh’s antics would go away with proper coaching, Al’s eventual-yet-to-be-confirmed lack of dog can’t be coached back.
If Al got back to his Boss Al mode (coping it with his midrange game) I would extend him for life as a Hawk at this price.
Ken Strickland
September 22nd, 2012
11:07 pm
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2012/9/10/3314071/my-roster-speculation
Here’s a very interesting article, although the section on Al Horford might be a bit unsettling for you HORFORD HATERS.
Slimjr
September 22nd, 2012
11:14 pm
Hey doc,
for your dunking pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzTNc4kPQ-4&feature=related
Ken Strickland
September 23rd, 2012
9:04 am
VALVA4-I don’t see how in the devil you can call Horford soft after the players and coaches who’ve competed and coached against him made him a 2 time All Starand 1 time All NBA selection in his 1st 4yrs. He’s successfully utilized what has become one of the NBAs most efficient and effective midrange jumpshots, along with being a better than average rebounder, passer and defender.
You seem to have an extremely one dimensional idea of how an OC is supposed to play the position. He’s not a banger, but nevertheless, he’s obviously been very effective at how he plays the postion, as evidence by the recognition he’s received from his peers. Their opinion of him certainly differs from yours, and certain others as well.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
9:57 am
Ken,
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
What I saw was Horford progressively play more and more away from the basket and bang less and less and getting punked in the playoffs by Bass, Gibson, Boozer… and honestly that is not what I want to see from my C.
His midrange game is a good tool but it comes exclusively out of ball rotation and with his feet set, hence we will not be able to depend from it if defenses locked on him, in particular in the playoffs.
That’s why he should bang and then get some shots from midrange here and there. Not the other way round.
AG
September 23rd, 2012
10:01 am
With the first preseason game two weeks away, when does camp start?
AG
September 23rd, 2012
10:05 am
Every player is not a banger. I don’t think people would say Kareem was a banger. His game is more finesse. When Al takes shots, most of the time they go in.
glw
September 23rd, 2012
10:07 am
Im been a Hawks fan all my life and I must admit I dont get this “Boss AL” VS “Soft AL” debate. I know back in the 2010 playoffs where this “Soft AL” label seem to have originated from, Al didnt have a great series. But can we really give him that label based on that series? Al was hurt most of last year so I wont judge Al having gone soft based on that last year. I just prefer to see AL as the same player, a guy who is willing to do what it takes to win. Whether it be doing the dirty work or making jump shots.
AG
September 23rd, 2012
10:10 am
Before that playoff series, Al had a great year. He was debatable the best Hawk. Yet, like many Hawks – except Teague and Josh, they disappeared against the Bulls.
doc
September 23rd, 2012
10:20 am
sick slimj sick!
his forehead goes where my wrist went on a good day. heh heh
i played under the rim, all about position and body.
JSS
September 23rd, 2012
10:21 am
Celtics home broadcast, Rockets home broadcast, Kings home broadcast, and the king of all bad broadcasts, the Toronto Raptors! Jerry Reynolds is a hot mess in SacTown…
Buddy Grizzard
September 23rd, 2012
10:34 am
Jamario Moon wants to join Hawks:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday-jamario-moon-wants-to-join-hawks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-sunday-jamario-%20moon-wants-to-join-hawks
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:36 pm
AG,
Kareem was a finesse player who had ACTUAL FINESSE.
Apart from his unstoppable skyhook, he had other post moves, great footwork, etc. The comparison is beyond lame.
Horford does not have the post game, nor even the face up game to be a finesse player. Horford is an excellent midrange shooter when OPEN, which is something that does not happen in the playoffs.
Read above again and carefully and you’ll understand.
Horford shied away from contact on both series in 2010/11 and his midrange shot was basically taken away.
There’s a Boss Al, that got 12ppg mostly battling down low and there is soft Al that got 16ppg mostly with midrange shots.
In order to be effective in the playoffs Al has to get back into the paint and get the buckets with putbacks, backdoor cuts and hustle.
If he does that he will not be as predictable and will gain more space for his midrange game.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm
I concede that Al’s softness may have induced by LD’s system and that is one of the factors why I would like to see LD gone ASAP.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm
Q&A with Lang Greene:
Judy
What’s up Lang? It has been ages -anyway here are my questions:
1. Will the Hawks make the playoffs? 2. Do you think that Ferry is really going to keep Josh Smith long term? I think that depending on how Josh plays up to the trade deadline Ferry will determine if he is a keeper or not. Thoughts?
3. Is Teague ready to be floor leader, will LD trust him to run the offense? 4. Does LD last the entire season?
5. Have the players been getting together and playing, running voluntary practicising, etc?
6. Is everybody in shape?
Lang Greene
Long time J …
1. Yes I think the Hawks can get a 7-8 seed.
2. I think Ferry is possibly interested in locking Josh up, not completely sure though. I need to be around the situation a little more. Everything I heart from both sides say all is good … but you know how that goes.
3. Yes, indeed. Teague is ready.
4. Yes. He’s in his last year so the true question is does he receive an extension …
5. Couple of the rooks from what I gather
6. Ask me in two weeks … I’ll see all of the guys after their first practice
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
More Lang Greene:
April
Do you see josh smith and al horford in the long term plans
Lang Greene
One or the other, not both honestly. My opinion. Not based on any inside info.
Ray
September 23rd, 2012
12:57 pm
Honestly I’d trust ESPN(not to much) before I trust most people on this blog like seriously you guys say let’s trade Horford for A,B,C,D and yet don’t think for a second.
Just like the others saying trade Josh Smith putting a foot in your mouth and letting words come out. SMH
Look Al Horford last season was injured for 77% of the season came back for the playoffs, but even I knew it wasn’t meant to be although in the playoffs he went beast mode for us. He wasn’t at 100% still people are going to believe what they want.
If Al Horford were the #1 option without Joe and Josh on the team having the same players around him even last year we’d still be in the playoffs kind of like with Josh we’d still beat the teams we need to beat, but get our butts handed to us by teams like Boston and others like them.
We are better off going into this season with both Josh and Al then we are without one or the other it’s like having a one-two punch.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm
And a bit more:
allan in texas
What’s good Brother Lang? What do you think of the Damion James signing? Are the Hawks looking at anyone else? Keep doing your thing bro! Peace!
Lang Greene
Very sneaky signing for the Hawks. James has something to prove and ironically the team drafted him back in 2010 … his draft profile when he was slected by the Hawks (he was traded shortly thereafter) was actually one of the first pieces I penned for this publication … funny how things come full circle.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm
And a final one:
Gary G
Who are your top breakout players for the upcoming season?
Lang Greene
I have my eye on Marcin Gortat, Ty Lawson, Paul George, Evan Turner, Jeff Teague and Joakim Noah. All of those guys are in situations where there respective teams need to come out of the gate balling …
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm
http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-2013-atlanta-hawks-season-preview/
corporate tv ball sux
September 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm
“glw- jan kemp stuff” ?
wonder if anyone realizes that the grades that the uneducated athletes received to help the “program” were grades that hard working students had stolen from them. thanks to vince being a puppy! guess that would explain ‘niques lack of proper english. granted, most college athletes are being used too!
the stinger rules
LOLOLOLO
September 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm
If you call 7 turn overs in the deciding game or a 7 rebs 11pt career playoff average beasting from Al hoeford we are never ever going to get up to the next level. You idiots kill me with your infatuation for mediocrity. Al is a back up player at best. If you guys want that semi scrub to lead the hawks then we will go where he always lead the hawks… fishing at the end of the second round.
Al horford is part of the problem not part of the solution.
LOLOLOLO
September 23rd, 2012
4:35 pm
“If Al Horford were the #1 option without Joe and Josh on the team having the same players around him even last year we’d still be in the playoffs kind of like with Josh we’d still beat the teams we need to beat, but get our butts handed to us by teams like Boston and others like them.
We are better off going into this season with both Josh and Al then we are without one or the other it’s like having a one-two punch.”
While its true that Josh Carried the team last year as is our first option. Al is not now nor has ever been on Josh’s level, ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS
AL IS A CAREER 11 PTS 7 REBOUND PLAYOFF GUY. THATS WHY WE ARE LOSING…. YOU WILL NEVER GET PAST THE SECOND ROUND WITH AL AS YOUR CENTER.
LOLOLOLO
September 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm
There is no soft Al hard Al theres only Al
12pts 9rbs career
11pts 7 rbs playoffs
5 pts 3 rbs allstar
11pts 6 rbs college.
That All full career. He had his best year was 15pts his worst year was 9pts. 95% of his shots are near or under the basket where he averages in the 50% range as does 15 other guys who play Al’s position. There is nothing spectacular or dominating about Al. He is just an average guy who has peaked.
Presenting Mr. 12 pts 9 rbs.
Jim Mora Sr.
September 23rd, 2012
8:11 pm
I think Jamario Moon would be a good addition to the Hawks. We need another small forward who’s defensive minded.
steven a smith
September 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm
Al is as soft as Charmin bathroom tissue with lotion manufactured in it. Al Horford is Scotty Pippen soft.
the hawks is the word
September 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm
THIS JUST IN…
Jamario Moon wants to come to Atlanta
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday-jamario-moon-wants-to-join-hawks/
Ken Strickland
September 24th, 2012
12:03 am
VALVA74-I agree that everyone has and deserves an opinion, but I certainly hope you don’t really believe that BS you handed me in your 9:57am post. What in the hell does banging have to do with scoring pts? Collins and Dampier could bang, but that certainly didn’t help them become better scorers did it?
Back when the Pistons played the Lakers for the NBA title, which the Pistons won, the Lakers brass felt that Ben Wallace out played Shaq to the point where you could say he punked Shaq. In fact, the Lakers Brass were so certain of that fact that they traded his butt. Based on that fact, and your way of thinking, would you say Shaq was soft? Come on man, get real.
Based on your way of thinking an OC should play, or least he be considered soft, many outstanding OCs, some in the HOF and in the top 50 of all time, like Jabbar, DRobinson, BWalton, NThurman, ZBeatty, DIssel, DMutombo, and VDivac, or midrange jumpshooters like EHayes, PEwing, DCowans, BLanier, RParrish, and BMcAdoo, would be considered soft.
vava74
September 24th, 2012
6:07 am
Ken,
You need to either bang or have SUPERLATIVE offensive skills to win in the playoffs.
Horford does not have sufficient offensive skills to be effective in the playoffs.
And, some of the guys you mentioned above were not either good enough offensively or did not bang enough to get it done in the playoffs.
Horford is a fine player, but he needs to BANG, to contribute to a level which will make us successful.
He is not Dirk, nor Lamarcus offensively. He has an excellent SET SHOT and little else offensively if he does not hustle using his mobility and speed.
Ray
September 24th, 2012
8:02 am
Like I said this stuff gets far out of hand with Horford.
I love Josh you know I realize Horford ain’t on Josh’s level defensively, but offensively unless smith going to the hole every play then I’d take Horford with the set shot plus going to the hole over him.
Yeah Josh can dunk and all that crap, but as we see withn Blake Griffin it takes more than flashy dunks win a game you’ll get a highlight every night, but at the end of the day he won’t be bringing home a ring.
As much as everyone talks about Horford again we don’t know what his stats would have been had he stayed healthy all season.
Look if you want to call him soft fine, but the way I see it he’s a good player on this team.
vava74
September 24th, 2012
8:54 am
Ray,
Never said that he was not a good player. Merely that he is limited offensively and that he can’t create his own shot.
Josh has significant problems as well, namely when he settles for long jump shots but he definitively has more moves around the rim beyond dunks.
He is a powerhouse offensively? No, but he is a better option to close games since he can also create for others, being an excellent passer off double teams.
Obviously, Horford should be on of his best targets since they seem to mesh well down low playing a two man game, but we definitively need Horford to get more aggressive and understand that his set shot will not be open during the playoffs and against top teams.
Everyone around here that have been pulling their hair off when JJ floundered against top grade defenses and in the playoffs MUST know that if those same defenses focus on Horford HE WILL NOT GET A SINGLE SHOT OFF.
Failing to understand this is a huge mistake. Horford can’t be a #1 or #2 offensive option, he must bang and get shots out of other guys getting double teamed.
Does that make Horford a Jon Koncak? Obviously not, but it does not make him untradeable either.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
9:14 am
vava, “he can’t create his own shot”. That is very true. But, IMO, a team that has nothing but “shot creators” in doomed to fail. I enjoyed watching Childress play for the hawks. A lot of times, when he scored 15+ points, the Hawks won. because Childress earned his points through his own hustle and from his teammates finding him in those spots near the rim that no other Hawk can seem to find with a GPS and flashlight. So when Childress scored, it typically meant that a player was hustling and the team was passing. And those are “intangibles” that often result in wining basketball. Put a bunch of “I can do it myself” guys on the floor and you’re more likely to get an awful team.
I don;t think a 6′10″ player needs to apologize that he can’t get his own shot. That is far closer to being the rule than the exception for guys that size. If Teague, Devin and Lou are the penetrators we think and will draw help defense, then Al should be fine taking a bunch of open 12-15 footers. Remember, Al has never played with penetrators like this before… I’m guessing that he has played less than 25 games with Teague as the starting PG.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
9:20 am
I guess when you are a fringe NBA player, you don’t need to pay attention to the off-season movement in the league. Although, that should help you understand (as a free agent) where your skills may be needed.
Kyrylo Fesenko: Just landed in Chicago. Tomorrow I have a workout with the Bulls. Really excited to see (Kyle) Korver, Boozer and (Ronnie) Brewer! Twitter/em>
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
9:26 am
“The Knicks are no longer considering Tracy McGrady but now are taking a look at retired Rasheed Wallace. The Post confirmed the 6-foot-11 Wallace worked out with Knicks players at their Greenburgh, N.Y., facility Saturday during voluntary workouts. New York Post”
Wow TMAC, come on back home where u belong!!
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
9:28 am
Jared Zwerling: Just a FYI: Mike Bibby won’t be w/ a team before training camp starts. But source close to Bibby expects him to sign somewhere. Not Knicks. Twitter
Slimjr
September 24th, 2012
10:02 am
This is the kind of skills you should expect from your 6′10.5″ AllStar/AllNBA player..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAQ9ZqcYFKI
The two combined do not have the required [Fire Power]…To challenge for a Finals!
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Slimjr
September 24th, 2012
10:09 am
MsDee, its been 17 years since the Knicks have been to a Finals..Looks like they are gearing up to go back if the injury bug does not hit them this season?
Mr. Wallace would be a fine addition to their ball club…Wow…
2 FOR JOHN DREW
September 24th, 2012
10:14 am
Hey Slimjr, or Ken S, or any body who knows ….. Has Keith Benson rec’d an invite from anyone to their training camp ?
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
10:30 am
Slimjr,
I see the highlights of Andrew and YES, he can ball, but I fail to see how u cant see Horford doing the same thing? Horford can hit his open jumper (3’s as well) like Andrew, can finish around the basket like Andrew, plays good defense and block shots like Andrew, can get the ball in the post for a nice post move to the basket and finish with AUTHORITY like Andrew…Im just trying to find the difference between the two…???
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Now if u were trying to make the point about Andrew’s footwork compared to Horford, then yes, I see your point. But Horford can STILL get the job done and last I checked, THAT’S ALL WHAT MATTERS, GETTING THE JOB DONE!!
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
10:35 am
And from the looks of those hightlights of Andrew, we DONT NEED ANOTHER PF/C HOSTING UP JUMPERS, we have MORE than enough this season!
WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????
September 24th, 2012
10:42 am
WILL THEY BE SHOWING THEM WHERE THIS TEAM NEEDS TO BE ???? SEATTLE ?
NO NEED FOR THIS $HIT TEAM HERE, WHY WASTE $ ON THIS CRAP SPORT ANYHOW ???
YOU POOR nba FANS… FEEL SORRY FOR YOU !
MOVE hawks YOU STINK UP THIS TOWN !!!!!
Ray
September 24th, 2012
10:42 am
Vava74
That post wasn’t aimed for you guys I know y’all aren’t the ones talking the nonsense about Horford like that. I don’t like Horford a lot either, but to say he’s soft as charmin tissue is overdone in fact like I said as much as people bash ESPN I’d rather listen to them speak then a lot of people on this blog.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
10:43 am
In case you all didn’t see the final ranking for all of the Hawks. This is good stuff to initiate sports talk debates. The accuracy is only as good as how high they ranked your favorite player(s). If they ranked 98% of the players correctly, but missed on your “boys”, then the ranking is crap. Likewise, if they hailed your fav players as the greatest ever and missed on 98% of the rest of the NBA, then they are “right on target”.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-atl-2012/2012-nba-player-rankings-atlanta-hawks
vava74
September 24th, 2012
10:54 am
AJ,
The Childress example is a very good one. How useful would be Childress in the playoffs if his jump shot became very reliable when he was open?
Still useful, but probably not to the point he proved to be on that Celtics series when he looked like a possessed demon hustling after loose balls, doing back door cuts, etc.
The same is applicable to Horford. I hope that he realizes that his shot will not be there when defenses start to focus more on him and that he gets back to work under the rim using his speed and agility to get past slower opponents (Centers, not PFs).
Sautee
September 24th, 2012
10:58 am
“Horford does not have sufficient offensive skills to be effective in the playoffs” – vava74
So 15.3 ppg is not “effective”? What would it take? How many points did the centers for the Heat average? The centers for the Thunder?
vava doesn’t have sufficient thinking skills to be an effective blogger
doc
September 24th, 2012
10:58 am
well no nfl updates on qb’s today. wonder why.
kind of expect some of the negativism to clear in a similar way if the hawks get off to a reasonable start. expectations, realistic ones anyway, cant be too great with this group pulled together. i expect a surprise to the upside. i havent made that bet with my money for tix though.
then again, i cant expect reason on here either sometimes.
set the bar low, no disappointments either way.
Slimjr
September 24th, 2012
11:00 am
ESPN Rankings= Bath Salts…. It is a [Travesty].
MsDee, oh I almost forgot your boy Al has some of the most prolific post moves in the game today[ sarcasm]. lol
Did you read Vava74 8:54am post ref. AL? He explains Al’s game better than I can..
2 FOR JOHN DREW, I have not heard any news on Benson..
Ken Strickland
September 24th, 2012
11:01 am
When training camp starts, there will definitely be some serious battles going on at various starting positions. Here’s what I mean.
1-who do you think will win the battle for the starting SF position? The candidates so far are James, Anderson, Morrow and Korver, with a definite possibility of JSmith being a candidate. A while back I mentioned the possibility of IJohnson being a potential candidate for the position.
2-Who do you believe will get the nod at PG between Teague and Harris? Unless Harris simply blows Teague away during camp, I believe it will be Teague, because even though both will be FAs after the season, Teague will a RFA, which makes him much easier to resign than Harris.
3-who do you think will win the SG battle? The candidates at this point are Morrow, Williams, Jenkins, and maybe Korver. While Jenkins is a rookie, potentially he’s definitely the more prolific shooter and scorer of the bunch, and he also adds some size to the position. He reminds me so much of Reggie Miller when he cane out of college. Like Jenkins, Reggie was considered a prolific shooter and scorer that wasn’t very athletic, couldn’t create his own shot, wasn’t a very good ball handler, couldn’t play DEF, couldn’t penetrate or get to the FT line etc, and look at how that turned out.
4-If KBenson is invited to camp, now that JWilliams has been waived, who do you think would win a backup position at OC between Petro and Benson?
Just food for thought. What do you think?
Balance is Key
September 24th, 2012
11:03 am
I thought this would make some of you feel better
“Joe Johnson is Somehow the Sixth Highest Paid NBA Player in History”
http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2012/08/27/joe-johnson-is-somehow-the-sixth-highest-paid-nba-player-in-history/?WI6eVJ8Ri3LzcHme.99
“Johnson’s current contract is so horrendous that it makes it seem like the Hawks might have gotten the upper hand in their trade with the Nets. And trust me, it’s pretty hard to say that a team has an upper hand in a trade when they receive Johan Petro as part of the deal.”
LOL!
That brings me to my next point, Why haven’t we waved Johan Petro yet!? He’s like the Royal Ivey of Centr’s. Dude SUCKS but still has a job? Does Good ole Ricky boy have something to do with this? We could use that roster spot on someone with actual upside like Mickael Pietrus, Keith Benson, or Hassaan Whiteside.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
11:17 am
vava, I agree. But clearly, the Hawks don’t currently have any players that can “lead them” into a deep playoff run. That’s why (presumably) we cleared cap space and added a bunch of stale bags of chips to the current roster.
Slimjr
September 24th, 2012
11:18 am
New OC is doing a great job playing to his strengths though and mixing it up. Kudos to the coaching staff!
“Winning covers a multitude of mistakes” -unknown-
Caution: The Falcons have beaten some real [Power Houses]…. Here are the challengers records from 2011 [Chargers were 8-8], [Broncos 8-8], [Chiefs 7-9]..
Slow down there Grasshopper…
6-10
vava74
September 24th, 2012
11:19 am
Sautee,
Last year no one expected him to show up. The Celts simply did not scout and prepared for him.
Let’s look at a better sample: 2010/11, when ORL and CHI prepared to play him:
2010-11 ATL G12 Min468 ppg 11.3 FG% .423 FT%.769 rpg 9.6 apg3.5 stl 0.4 blk 1.0
vava74
September 24th, 2012
11:23 am
Sautee,
When the Celts finally prepared for Horford, they got 7 turnovers from him. Others made also negative contributions. I am not saying that the 7 turnovers were THE factor.
Merely that it corroborates that Horford is not a go to guy.
AJ,
And that is why Horford should be considered a tradeable asset: if we could get a lottery pick for him or a player which suited us better (in case he does not find his dog again), we should consider it.
But in the end, that is not my battle. My battle is getting a pair of skates under LD’s feet.
Just Joe
September 24th, 2012
11:26 am
Ken,
1 & 3 should be settled in training camp. I personally would prefer two shooters on the wings, which would allow us to see what Teague, Josh & Al can do offensively under maximum spacing.
2 – I have a little stronger feelings about this one. Teague will be a restricted free agent next summer. I want to know what Teague can do when he has the ball in his hands for the majority of our possessions. Can he run this offense? Devin Harris has been in this league what, 7 or 8 years??? I know what he’s capable of. He’s probably not going to get any better than he already is.
4 – I don’t see Benson making this roster, and Petro’s $3.5M expiring contract could make for a valuable trade asset at the deadline. Petro wins by default. I do think that Benson & Pape Sy will probably be camp invites as extra bodies.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
11:35 am
vava, I doubt that Ferry considers any of these players untradeable. My guess is that he would trade anyone on the current roster for the right player. Trading Horofrd for just a lottery pick doesn’t make sense unless you know the player you’re selecting. I wouldn’t trade a top 35 player for just any lottery pick. Let’s see, 14 lottery picks over the past 8 years means 112 players… meaning that more than a handful were no where in the vicinity of being worthy of trading a top 35 player with 3-5 years of prime play still to come. Imagine trading Horford for Wesley Johnson, Jimmer Fredette or Patrick O’Bryant?
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
11:41 am
IMO, if the Hawks add another player to the roster, it will either be a SF or a PG… I don’t see Benson getting a shot. And I doubt that Teague has any competition to start the season as the Hawks PG… he could always lose it into the season, but I think there are only 2 battles for starting positions… SG and SF.
vava74
September 24th, 2012
11:54 am
AJ,
Deals can be made on picks which are known (position). It’s a gamble, but like everything in life, sometimes a gamble pays off.
As you certainly know, I was all for GETTING A REAL COACH, rather than blowing up the core before getting a shot at getting it to be coached properly.
Evaluating the true value of JT+JJ+MW+JS+AH+ZP with Woody and LD is just like evaluating a Le Mans’ car with an every day driver on the seat.
It was not the best Le Mans’ car out there, but surely someone with driving skills would have driven it faster and longer.
vava74
September 24th, 2012
12:10 pm
And, I actually have faith that both Damion Jones and James Anderson have NBA talent and could make the roster (with Jones being the most likely).
I think we have too many shooter and too few workers.
Even if any of the two or even both neither stick during training camp due to roster difficulties, I see Ferry talking to them and asking them to keep their spirits up, recover their health and their games in the D-League and eventually get picked up after some trades release roster spots.
I see Korver, Harris and Stevenson as trade bait.
NORRIS CHUCK
September 24th, 2012
12:42 pm
Free agent forward Jamario Moon believes he’s the logical choice to help fill the small forward void and clearly makes it known the Hawks are an organization he’d like to play for in 2012-13. “Atlanta makes sense to me,” Moon told HOOPSWORLD on where he would fit best. “Danny was the general manager when I was playing for Cleveland and [Hawks assistant general manager] Wes Wilcox was there too. They already know me and what I bring. It just makes sense.” HoopsWorld
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Moon has career averages of 6.3 points and 4.3 rebounds on 46 percent shooting in 286 games over five seasons. In 157 career starts, Moon has averaged 7.9 points, 5.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks per game. The veteran forward has been working out in Atlanta during the offseason and says he’s ready to get back on the court and is in great shape. “All they have to do is give me a call,” Moon said. “I’m ready to work and do whatever the coaching staff asks of me.” HoopsWorld
O'Brien
September 24th, 2012
12:56 pm
Doc,
I think the new OC and the new O-line coach has been working wonders for the Falcons offense. And Matt Ryan is finally taking advantage of his weapons.
The biggest knock on him is not that he hasnt won a playoff game…imo, it’s that he has not played well in a playoff game. But I think he gets the monkey off his back this season.
And I think the Falcons will win their first playoff game.
heat check
September 24th, 2012
1:12 pm
On topic……Nique’s commentary is awful in every aspect. Why is he returning for a 5th season?? Trade him out for Stinger! Bob and Mike are/were a perfect team. Nique makes me want to watch games on mute.
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm
I know right, heat check…Why not let Duane Ferrell replace him..he did a GREAT job filling in for nique
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
New Blog Up