4:06 pm September 20, 2012, by Chris Vivlamore
Vivlamore reporting.
SportSouth will televise 75 of the 82 Hawks games during the 2012-13 NBA season, all in high definition. The network will air the season opener on Nov. 2 against the Rockets at Philips Arena.
Former Hawks star and Hall of Famer Dominique Wilkins returns for his fifth straight season as the Hawks game analyst. Play-by-play announcer Bob Rathbun returns for his 17th season. Jerome Jurenovich will serve as the sideline reporter.
Before and after every televised game, SportSouth will air a 30-minute pre- and post-game segment. Andre Aldridge will host and Mike Glenn will be the analyst.
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September 22nd, 2012
2:37 pm
Astro Joe
September 21st, 2012
7:26 pm
If Al doesn’t turn the ball over 7 times in game six of the playoffs then we probably win that series. Al fcked Up again Ken. You are on your own. I’ll see you at the next cult sacrifice. Bring a stray cat.
I’m out brother.
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Mail Man
September 21st, 2012
8:20 pm
Trading Al now while there is still some value to his name would be the wisest move the hawks can make. It makes since to trade Al now. Zaza and Ivan proved we havent missed Al one bit… And he could have kept that playoff fart. I think we would have done better if Al had just stayed home. He messed it up for the rest of the guys. I thought Al was going to be traded with Marvin Williams.
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NiQue
September 21st, 2012
9:06 pm
Yea, Al has been a disappointment. Theres just not enough to his game and he doesnt like defense. He should have hired Hakeem the dream or or somebody to train him.
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Darren
September 21st, 2012
9:58 pm
Why does every one want to trade Al? He would make a nice bench player as a back up to Al Jefferson or Josh Smith.
Can you imagine. Josh Smith. Devin Harris and Al Jefferson…. Wow. That would be nice. Just add the trimmings.
Just Joe
September 22nd, 2012
4:09 pm
Yes, let’s build around Josh, Devin, and Jefferson, since Milsap/Favors, Devin, and Jefferson didn’t even win a playoff game last year despite Milsap/Favors combing for 23+ pts, 20+ rebounds, and 4 blocks.
Come on, we can put better talent than that around Josh.
Slimjr
September 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
“On the ESPN rankings, it’s a travesty.
Josh is a top 20 player right now. Horford is correctly placed at the 30#.”
Co-sign. You are must be a Horford [Hater] or [ worse] as one [Hawk Fanatic] describes some all the time….
Let me add Horford is not a top 30 player by a long shot..Make his azz a 1st option and watch this team win 28 games.. LMBO!!!!!!
Slimjr
September 22nd, 2012
5:37 pm
delete [are]^^^^
vava74
September 22nd, 2012
6:49 pm
Slimjr,
Let me set the record straight.
I like Al, but his 2010/12 softness made me fear weary.
2011/12 come back for the playoffs made me hopeful.
Hope does not mean trust. Until I can’t trust Al as guy with heart/dog I prefer Josh’s antics.
Josh’s antics would go away with proper coaching, Al’s eventual-yet-to-be-confirmed lack of dog can’t be coached back.
If Al got back to his Boss Al mode (coping it with his midrange game) I would extend him for life as a Hawk at this price.
Ken Strickland
September 22nd, 2012
11:07 pm
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2012/9/10/3314071/my-roster-speculation
Here’s a very interesting article, although the section on Al Horford might be a bit unsettling for you HORFORD HATERS.
Slimjr
September 22nd, 2012
11:14 pm
Hey doc,
for your dunking pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzTNc4kPQ-4&feature=related
Ken Strickland
September 23rd, 2012
9:04 am
VALVA4-I don’t see how in the devil you can call Horford soft after the players and coaches who’ve competed and coached against him made him a 2 time All Starand 1 time All NBA selection in his 1st 4yrs. He’s successfully utilized what has become one of the NBAs most efficient and effective midrange jumpshots, along with being a better than average rebounder, passer and defender.
You seem to have an extremely one dimensional idea of how an OC is supposed to play the position. He’s not a banger, but nevertheless, he’s obviously been very effective at how he plays the postion, as evidence by the recognition he’s received from his peers. Their opinion of him certainly differs from yours, and certain others as well.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
9:57 am
Ken,
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
What I saw was Horford progressively play more and more away from the basket and bang less and less and getting punked in the playoffs by Bass, Gibson, Boozer… and honestly that is not what I want to see from my C.
His midrange game is a good tool but it comes exclusively out of ball rotation and with his feet set, hence we will not be able to depend from it if defenses locked on him, in particular in the playoffs.
That’s why he should bang and then get some shots from midrange here and there. Not the other way round.
AG
September 23rd, 2012
10:01 am
With the first preseason game two weeks away, when does camp start?
AG
September 23rd, 2012
10:05 am
Every player is not a banger. I don’t think people would say Kareem was a banger. His game is more finesse. When Al takes shots, most of the time they go in.
glw
September 23rd, 2012
10:07 am
Im been a Hawks fan all my life and I must admit I dont get this “Boss AL” VS “Soft AL” debate. I know back in the 2010 playoffs where this “Soft AL” label seem to have originated from, Al didnt have a great series. But can we really give him that label based on that series? Al was hurt most of last year so I wont judge Al having gone soft based on that last year. I just prefer to see AL as the same player, a guy who is willing to do what it takes to win. Whether it be doing the dirty work or making jump shots.
AG
September 23rd, 2012
10:10 am
Before that playoff series, Al had a great year. He was debatable the best Hawk. Yet, like many Hawks – except Teague and Josh, they disappeared against the Bulls.
doc
September 23rd, 2012
10:20 am
sick slimj sick!
his forehead goes where my wrist went on a good day. heh heh
i played under the rim, all about position and body.
JSS
September 23rd, 2012
10:21 am
Celtics home broadcast, Rockets home broadcast, Kings home broadcast, and the king of all bad broadcasts, the Toronto Raptors! Jerry Reynolds is a hot mess in SacTown…
Buddy Grizzard
September 23rd, 2012
10:34 am
Jamario Moon wants to join Hawks:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday-jamario-moon-wants-to-join-hawks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-sunday-jamario-%20moon-wants-to-join-hawks
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:36 pm
AG,
Kareem was a finesse player who had ACTUAL FINESSE.
Apart from his unstoppable skyhook, he had other post moves, great footwork, etc. The comparison is beyond lame.
Horford does not have the post game, nor even the face up game to be a finesse player. Horford is an excellent midrange shooter when OPEN, which is something that does not happen in the playoffs.
Read above again and carefully and you’ll understand.
Horford shied away from contact on both series in 2010/11 and his midrange shot was basically taken away.
There’s a Boss Al, that got 12ppg mostly battling down low and there is soft Al that got 16ppg mostly with midrange shots.
In order to be effective in the playoffs Al has to get back into the paint and get the buckets with putbacks, backdoor cuts and hustle.
If he does that he will not be as predictable and will gain more space for his midrange game.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm
I concede that Al’s softness may have induced by LD’s system and that is one of the factors why I would like to see LD gone ASAP.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm
Q&A with Lang Greene:
Judy
What’s up Lang? It has been ages -anyway here are my questions:
1. Will the Hawks make the playoffs? 2. Do you think that Ferry is really going to keep Josh Smith long term? I think that depending on how Josh plays up to the trade deadline Ferry will determine if he is a keeper or not. Thoughts?
3. Is Teague ready to be floor leader, will LD trust him to run the offense? 4. Does LD last the entire season?
5. Have the players been getting together and playing, running voluntary practicising, etc?
6. Is everybody in shape?
Lang Greene
Long time J …
1. Yes I think the Hawks can get a 7-8 seed.
2. I think Ferry is possibly interested in locking Josh up, not completely sure though. I need to be around the situation a little more. Everything I heart from both sides say all is good … but you know how that goes.
3. Yes, indeed. Teague is ready.
4. Yes. He’s in his last year so the true question is does he receive an extension …
5. Couple of the rooks from what I gather
6. Ask me in two weeks … I’ll see all of the guys after their first practice
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
More Lang Greene:
April
Do you see josh smith and al horford in the long term plans
Lang Greene
One or the other, not both honestly. My opinion. Not based on any inside info.
Ray
September 23rd, 2012
12:57 pm
Honestly I’d trust ESPN(not to much) before I trust most people on this blog like seriously you guys say let’s trade Horford for A,B,C,D and yet don’t think for a second.
Just like the others saying trade Josh Smith putting a foot in your mouth and letting words come out. SMH
Look Al Horford last season was injured for 77% of the season came back for the playoffs, but even I knew it wasn’t meant to be although in the playoffs he went beast mode for us. He wasn’t at 100% still people are going to believe what they want.
If Al Horford were the #1 option without Joe and Josh on the team having the same players around him even last year we’d still be in the playoffs kind of like with Josh we’d still beat the teams we need to beat, but get our butts handed to us by teams like Boston and others like them.
We are better off going into this season with both Josh and Al then we are without one or the other it’s like having a one-two punch.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm
And a bit more:
allan in texas
What’s good Brother Lang? What do you think of the Damion James signing? Are the Hawks looking at anyone else? Keep doing your thing bro! Peace!
Lang Greene
Very sneaky signing for the Hawks. James has something to prove and ironically the team drafted him back in 2010 … his draft profile when he was slected by the Hawks (he was traded shortly thereafter) was actually one of the first pieces I penned for this publication … funny how things come full circle.
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm
And a final one:
Gary G
Who are your top breakout players for the upcoming season?
Lang Greene
I have my eye on Marcin Gortat, Ty Lawson, Paul George, Evan Turner, Jeff Teague and Joakim Noah. All of those guys are in situations where there respective teams need to come out of the gate balling …
vava74
September 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm
http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-2013-atlanta-hawks-season-preview/
corporate tv ball sux
September 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm
“glw- jan kemp stuff” ?
wonder if anyone realizes that the grades that the uneducated athletes received to help the “program” were grades that hard working students had stolen from them. thanks to vince being a puppy! guess that would explain ‘niques lack of proper english. granted, most college athletes are being used too!
the stinger rules
LOLOLOLO
September 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm
If you call 7 turn overs in the deciding game or a 7 rebs 11pt career playoff average beasting from Al hoeford we are never ever going to get up to the next level. You idiots kill me with your infatuation for mediocrity. Al is a back up player at best. If you guys want that semi scrub to lead the hawks then we will go where he always lead the hawks… fishing at the end of the second round.
Al horford is part of the problem not part of the solution.
LOLOLOLO
September 23rd, 2012
4:35 pm
“If Al Horford were the #1 option without Joe and Josh on the team having the same players around him even last year we’d still be in the playoffs kind of like with Josh we’d still beat the teams we need to beat, but get our butts handed to us by teams like Boston and others like them.
We are better off going into this season with both Josh and Al then we are without one or the other it’s like having a one-two punch.”
While its true that Josh Carried the team last year as is our first option. Al is not now nor has ever been on Josh’s level, ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS
AL IS A CAREER 11 PTS 7 REBOUND PLAYOFF GUY. THATS WHY WE ARE LOSING…. YOU WILL NEVER GET PAST THE SECOND ROUND WITH AL AS YOUR CENTER.
LOLOLOLO
September 23rd, 2012
4:47 pm
There is no soft Al hard Al theres only Al
12pts 9rbs career
11pts 7 rbs playoffs
5 pts 3 rbs allstar
11pts 6 rbs college.
That All full career. He had his best year was 15pts his worst year was 9pts. 95% of his shots are near or under the basket where he averages in the 50% range as does 15 other guys who play Al’s position. There is nothing spectacular or dominating about Al. He is just an average guy who has peaked.
Presenting Mr. 12 pts 9 rbs.
Jim Mora Sr.
September 23rd, 2012
8:11 pm
I think Jamario Moon would be a good addition to the Hawks. We need another small forward who’s defensive minded.
steven a smith
September 23rd, 2012
8:50 pm
Al is as soft as Charmin bathroom tissue with lotion manufactured in it. Al Horford is Scotty Pippen soft.
the hawks is the word
September 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm
THIS JUST IN…
Jamario Moon wants to come to Atlanta
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday-jamario-moon-wants-to-join-hawks/
Ken Strickland
September 24th, 2012
12:03 am
VALVA74-I agree that everyone has and deserves an opinion, but I certainly hope you don’t really believe that BS you handed me in your 9:57am post. What in the hell does banging have to do with scoring pts? Collins and Dampier could bang, but that certainly didn’t help them become better scorers did it?
Back when the Pistons played the Lakers for the NBA title, which the Pistons won, the Lakers brass felt that Ben Wallace out played Shaq to the point where you could say he punked Shaq. In fact, the Lakers Brass were so certain of that fact that they traded his butt. Based on that fact, and your way of thinking, would you say Shaq was soft? Come on man, get real.
Based on your way of thinking an OC should play, or least he be considered soft, many outstanding OCs, some in the HOF and in the top 50 of all time, like Jabbar, DRobinson, BWalton, NThurman, ZBeatty, DIssel, DMutombo, and VDivac, or midrange jumpshooters like EHayes, PEwing, DCowans, BLanier, RParrish, and BMcAdoo, would be considered soft.
vava74
September 24th, 2012
6:07 am
Ken,
You need to either bang or have SUPERLATIVE offensive skills to win in the playoffs.
Horford does not have sufficient offensive skills to be effective in the playoffs.
And, some of the guys you mentioned above were not either good enough offensively or did not bang enough to get it done in the playoffs.
Horford is a fine player, but he needs to BANG, to contribute to a level which will make us successful.
He is not Dirk, nor Lamarcus offensively. He has an excellent SET SHOT and little else offensively if he does not hustle using his mobility and speed.
Ray
September 24th, 2012
8:02 am
Like I said this stuff gets far out of hand with Horford.
I love Josh you know I realize Horford ain’t on Josh’s level defensively, but offensively unless smith going to the hole every play then I’d take Horford with the set shot plus going to the hole over him.
Yeah Josh can dunk and all that crap, but as we see withn Blake Griffin it takes more than flashy dunks win a game you’ll get a highlight every night, but at the end of the day he won’t be bringing home a ring.
As much as everyone talks about Horford again we don’t know what his stats would have been had he stayed healthy all season.
Look if you want to call him soft fine, but the way I see it he’s a good player on this team.
vava74
September 24th, 2012
8:54 am
Ray,
Never said that he was not a good player. Merely that he is limited offensively and that he can’t create his own shot.
Josh has significant problems as well, namely when he settles for long jump shots but he definitively has more moves around the rim beyond dunks.
He is a powerhouse offensively? No, but he is a better option to close games since he can also create for others, being an excellent passer off double teams.
Obviously, Horford should be on of his best targets since they seem to mesh well down low playing a two man game, but we definitively need Horford to get more aggressive and understand that his set shot will not be open during the playoffs and against top teams.
Everyone around here that have been pulling their hair off when JJ floundered against top grade defenses and in the playoffs MUST know that if those same defenses focus on Horford HE WILL NOT GET A SINGLE SHOT OFF.
Failing to understand this is a huge mistake. Horford can’t be a #1 or #2 offensive option, he must bang and get shots out of other guys getting double teamed.
Does that make Horford a Jon Koncak? Obviously not, but it does not make him untradeable either.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
9:14 am
vava, “he can’t create his own shot”. That is very true. But, IMO, a team that has nothing but “shot creators” in doomed to fail. I enjoyed watching Childress play for the hawks. A lot of times, when he scored 15+ points, the Hawks won. because Childress earned his points through his own hustle and from his teammates finding him in those spots near the rim that no other Hawk can seem to find with a GPS and flashlight. So when Childress scored, it typically meant that a player was hustling and the team was passing. And those are “intangibles” that often result in wining basketball. Put a bunch of “I can do it myself” guys on the floor and you’re more likely to get an awful team.
I don;t think a 6′10″ player needs to apologize that he can’t get his own shot. That is far closer to being the rule than the exception for guys that size. If Teague, Devin and Lou are the penetrators we think and will draw help defense, then Al should be fine taking a bunch of open 12-15 footers. Remember, Al has never played with penetrators like this before… I’m guessing that he has played less than 25 games with Teague as the starting PG.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
9:20 am
I guess when you are a fringe NBA player, you don’t need to pay attention to the off-season movement in the league. Although, that should help you understand (as a free agent) where your skills may be needed.
Kyrylo Fesenko: Just landed in Chicago. Tomorrow I have a workout with the Bulls. Really excited to see (Kyle) Korver, Boozer and (Ronnie) Brewer! Twitter/em>
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
9:26 am
“The Knicks are no longer considering Tracy McGrady but now are taking a look at retired Rasheed Wallace. The Post confirmed the 6-foot-11 Wallace worked out with Knicks players at their Greenburgh, N.Y., facility Saturday during voluntary workouts. New York Post”
Wow TMAC, come on back home where u belong!!
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
9:28 am
Jared Zwerling: Just a FYI: Mike Bibby won’t be w/ a team before training camp starts. But source close to Bibby expects him to sign somewhere. Not Knicks. Twitter
Slimjr
September 24th, 2012
10:02 am
This is the kind of skills you should expect from your 6′10.5″ AllStar/AllNBA player..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAQ9ZqcYFKI
The two combined do not have the required [Fire Power]…To challenge for a Finals!
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Slimjr
September 24th, 2012
10:09 am
MsDee, its been 17 years since the Knicks have been to a Finals..Looks like they are gearing up to go back if the injury bug does not hit them this season?
Mr. Wallace would be a fine addition to their ball club…Wow…
2 FOR JOHN DREW
September 24th, 2012
10:14 am
Hey Slimjr, or Ken S, or any body who knows ….. Has Keith Benson rec’d an invite from anyone to their training camp ?
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
10:30 am
Slimjr,
I see the highlights of Andrew and YES, he can ball, but I fail to see how u cant see Horford doing the same thing? Horford can hit his open jumper (3’s as well) like Andrew, can finish around the basket like Andrew, plays good defense and block shots like Andrew, can get the ball in the post for a nice post move to the basket and finish with AUTHORITY like Andrew…Im just trying to find the difference between the two…???
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Now if u were trying to make the point about Andrew’s footwork compared to Horford, then yes, I see your point. But Horford can STILL get the job done and last I checked, THAT’S ALL WHAT MATTERS, GETTING THE JOB DONE!!
MsDee
September 24th, 2012
10:35 am
And from the looks of those hightlights of Andrew, we DONT NEED ANOTHER PF/C HOSTING UP JUMPERS, we have MORE than enough this season!
WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????
September 24th, 2012
10:42 am
WILL THEY BE SHOWING THEM WHERE THIS TEAM NEEDS TO BE ???? SEATTLE ?
NO NEED FOR THIS $HIT TEAM HERE, WHY WASTE $ ON THIS CRAP SPORT ANYHOW ???
YOU POOR nba FANS… FEEL SORRY FOR YOU !
MOVE hawks YOU STINK UP THIS TOWN !!!!!
Ray
September 24th, 2012
10:42 am
Vava74
That post wasn’t aimed for you guys I know y’all aren’t the ones talking the nonsense about Horford like that. I don’t like Horford a lot either, but to say he’s soft as charmin tissue is overdone in fact like I said as much as people bash ESPN I’d rather listen to them speak then a lot of people on this blog.
Astro Joe
September 24th, 2012
10:43 am
In case you all didn’t see the final ranking for all of the Hawks. This is good stuff to initiate sports talk debates. The accuracy is only as good as how high they ranked your favorite player(s). If they ranked 98% of the players correctly, but missed on your “boys”, then the ranking is crap. Likewise, if they hailed your fav players as the greatest ever and missed on 98% of the rest of the NBA, then they are “right on target”.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-atl-2012/2012-nba-player-rankings-atlanta-hawks
vava74
September 24th, 2012
10:54 am
AJ,
The Childress example is a very good one. How useful would be Childress in the playoffs if his jump shot became very reliable when he was open?
Still useful, but probably not to the point he proved to be on that Celtics series when he looked like a possessed demon hustling after loose balls, doing back door cuts, etc.
The same is applicable to Horford. I hope that he realizes that his shot will not be there when defenses start to focus more on him and that he gets back to work under the rim using his speed and agility to get past slower opponents (Centers, not PFs).
Sautee
September 24th, 2012
10:58 am
“Horford does not have sufficient offensive skills to be effective in the playoffs” – vava74
So 15.3 ppg is not “effective”? What would it take? How many points did the centers for the Heat average? The centers for the Thunder?
vava doesn’t have sufficient thinking skills to be an effective blogger